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  • Donny
    As you wish...
    • May 2002
    • 13754

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    Sex.Com Gary Kremen quoted in today's New York Times - Sticking Up for all of Us

    The Story is Here:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/07/te...?ex=1063880880

    But if for some reason you can't access it (The NY Times has a fucked up online site, in my opion):

    Aiming at Pornography to Hit Music Piracy

    September 7, 2003
    By SAUL HANSELL

    The recording industry, struggling to curb music piracy, is shining the spotlight on another demon lurking on the
    Internet: pornography.

    The industry is trying to enlist broader public support
    with a campaign intended to show that its nemesis - the peer-to-peer networks for swapping files like KaZaA and Morpheus - are used not only to trade songs but also pornographic images, including child pornography.

    "As a guy in the record industry and as a parent, I am
    shocked that these services are being used to lure children
    to stuff that is really ugly," said Andrew Lack, the chief executive of Sony Music Entertainment.

    Others ask whether raising this issue is more than a little cynical from an industry that heavily promotes music with sexual and violent themes.

    "The entertainment companies have engaged in a deliberate
    and despicable campaign of lies to smear peer-to-peer technology for political purposes," said Philip S. Corwin, a lobbyist for Sharman Networks, the publisher of KaZaA, the largest file-sharing service. "They are trying to associate us unfairly with the most vile element in society, child pornography."

    Pornography has been actively traded through file-sharing services from their start. But the record labels have recently started lending lobbying and logistical support to antipornography and child protection groups that are raising the issue. For example, Dan Klores Communications, which represents Sony Music and other music clients, has been promoting Parents for Megan's Law, a Long Island group involved with preventing child abuse that has been critical of child pornography available through file-sharing services, like KaZaA.

    Their efforts are having some result. A bill has been introduced into the House, with the endorsement of the recording industry, that would require children to get parental consent before using sharing software. And on Tuesday, the Senate Judiciary Committee will hold a hearing to look into the connection between file-swapping services and pornography, called by its chairman, Senator Orrin Hatch, a Republican of Utah.

    The labels, which blame online piracy for declining music sales, are fighting the downloading services on many fronts. They are trying to make paying for music more attractive through legal downloading services, and in the case of Universal Music Group, the world's largest record company, slashing the price of most its CD's by 30 percent.


    They are also trying to turn up the heat on those who
    continue to download songs without paying for them. This
    week the Recording Industry Association of America said it
    was going to start filing hundreds of lawsuits against individuals accused of swapping large numbers of copyrighted songs. The association also is planning to offer an amnesty program that would exempt from prosecution people who destroy all their illegally downloaded songs.

    But in perhaps the most extreme sign of the industry's desperation, it is trying to focus the attention of lawmakers and others on how the peer-to-peer, or p2p, services can connect users with a range of ills including computer viruses, software that steals personal information and unwanted pornography.

    "P2p stands for piracy to pornography," quipped Mr. Lack.


    The file-sharing companies respond that the risk of
    children seeing pornography inadvertently on their systems
    is being overstated and that their software is no different from Web browsers and e-mail programs that can be used to find all sorts of material.

    Mitch Glazier, the senior vice president for government
    affairs for the R.I.A.A., says the industry's current calls
    for parental controls on file-swapping services is not inconsistent with its longstanding defense of the artistic freedom of songwriters.

    "We are not trying to stop people from expressing
    themselves," he said. "We say you should do what we do and
    give notice and disclosure" as in the labels warning of explicit lyrics on compact disc packages.

    The antipornography campaign also puts the music labels in league with the legal pornography industry, which faces some of the same problems from piracy. Titan Media, a San Francisco producer of erotic gay videos, has seen a sharp drop in sales it attributes to file sharing.

    "Every movie is traded 10 times the amount it is sold,"
    said Gill Sperlein, Titan's general counsel. Another
    problem from the file sharing, he said, is that material is available to any user, regardless of age.

    "We spend a lot of money and effort trying to make sure our material only gets into the hands of adults," he said.

    The bill in the House backed by the music industry -
    introduced by Representative Joseph R. Pitts, a Republican
    from Pennsylvania, and Representative Christopher John, a Democrat from Louisiana - would require the file-swapping services to get parental consent before being used by children.

    Such a law would face both technological and legal
    challenges. It envisions a system of "beacons" that parents could place on their computers to prevent the installation of file-sharing software, technology that does not currently exist. Moreover, several of the major file-sharing services are based outside of the United States, making enforcement difficult.

    There is no argument that file-sharing services can be used
    to download pornographic images and videos - both legal and illegal.

    A study in March by the General Accounting Office found
    that KaZaA would be effective for someone looking for child pornography. The agency searched for 12 terms associated with child pornography, such as "incest" and "underage." It did not actually download the files it found, but it determined that 42 percent of them had titles or descriptions associated with pornographic images of children.

    A second aspect of its study measured the likelihood a
    child would inadvertently be exposed to pornography using KaZaA. It examined 157 files downloaded in response to three search terms of interest to children - Britney, Pokémon and Olsen twins. It classified 49 percent of those files as pornographic.

    "Our artists' names are being used to lure kids and defraud them into finding pornography," said Mr. Glazier of the R.I.A.A.

    The GAO study vastly overstates the likelihood that
    children searching for popular music will in fact find pornography, according to studies by Public Knowledge, an advocacy group on intellectual property issues.

    "We find you don't really accidentally download porn," said Mike Godwin, the group's senior technology counsel.

    The file-sharing services say that they are being unfairly singled out and that they are no more a conduit for pornography than e-mail programs, chat rooms, search engines and the Internet itself.

    "This has nothing to do with concern about adult material
    and everything to do with commercial issues," said Alan
    Morris, executive vice president of Sharman Networks. He
    said that KaZaA introduced a parental control feature last
    year that can be used to block searches for pornographic material.

    Laura A. Ahearn, the director of Parents for Megan's Law, argues that the file-sharing services are different because their main use is for trading music, an activity that disproportionately appeals to teenagers and young adults.

    "KaZaA is just like Joe Camel," she said referring to the cartoon logo that had been used by R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Holdings to promote its Camel cigarette brand. "KaZaA has done an incredible job of attracting young people to their site, and as a result they have been really able to attack children."

    The available evidence does not show that pornography on file-sharing systems is growing any faster than through other online vehicles. Indeed, the federally financed child pornography tip line run by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children found that 1.3 percent of the reports of Internet child pornography were related to file-sharing services so far this year, down from 2.1 percent last year. Nearly three-quarters of child pornography reported is on Web sites. The Web sites typically charge fees for access while the file-sharing services are free.

    Mr. Morris of Sharman Networks, which is incorporated in
    the South Pacific island nation of Vanuatu and managed from Australia, said that most of the pornographic material on file-sharing services was not illegal child pornography but legal material intended for adults. Sharman Networks's affiliate in the United States, Altnet, which tries to profit by selling content through KaZaA, does offer some pornographic material for sale.

    "While it may not be what you and I choose to do, adult individuals may share material between themselves the same way adults can watch it on cable television or buy it at airports," Mr. Morris said.

    Other distributors of pornography have also embraced the file-sharing networks as a promotional vehicle. They distribute sample pictures and videos in an attempt to attract paying customers to their Web sites.

    "The adult industry, like others, is against the illegal downloading of their videos," said Gary Kremen, the chief executive of Sex.com, a directory of sexually explicit Web sites, "but they are much smarter than the music industry. They see p2p as money to be made."
  • Donny
    As you wish...
    • May 2002
    • 13754

    #2
    "The adult industry, like others, is against the illegal downloading of their videos," said Gary Kremen, the chief executive of Sex.com, a directory of sexually explicit Web sites, "but they are much smarter than the music industry. They see p2p as money to be made."



    I know *I* feel smarter than the music industry. How 'bout you?

    They can't seem to tell their ass from.... well you know the saying...

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    • sexeducation
      So Fucking Banned
      • Jun 2003
      • 7315

      #3
      P2P networks are spreading child pornography ...
      About fucking time .... YAAAAAAAA

      Way to go ... Sex.com
      BINGO ...

      Buy you're "fantasy" material from a respected erotica dealer.

      BINGO - good move.

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      • TurboAngel
        H.B.I.C.
        • Jun 2003
        • 30122

        #4
        Originally posted by sexeducation
        P2P networks are spreading child pornography ...
        About fucking time .... YAAAAAAAA

        Way to go ... Sex.com
        BINGO ...

        Buy you're "fantasy" material from a respected erotica dealer.

        BINGO - good move.



        You show kids porn right?

        SICK FUCK!





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        • baddog
          So Fucking Banned
          • Apr 2001
          • 107089

          #5
          Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
          "The adult industry, like others, is against the illegal downloading of their videos," said Gary Kremen, the chief executive of Sex.com, a directory of sexually explicit Web sites, "but they are much smarter than the music industry. They see p2p as money to be made."
          hmmm, I know what he means, but I am betting that comment will be twisted around and interpreted entirely differently by some.

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          • reynold
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • Oct 2002
            • 51271

            #6
            what a text

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            • Tipsy
              Confirmed User
              • Jul 2001
              • 6989

              #7
              Originally posted by baddog


              hmmm, I know what he means, but I am betting that comment will be twisted around and interpreted entirely differently by some.
              I was thinking much the same. It's possibly already out of context and actually reads quite badly.
              Ignorance is never bliss.

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              • sexeducation
                So Fucking Banned
                • Jun 2003
                • 7315

                #8
                Originally posted by TurboAngel





                You show kids porn right?

                SICK FUCK!





                ride the wave ...
                Post in the correct thread titled SexEducation.com.

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                • TurboAngel
                  H.B.I.C.
                  • Jun 2003
                  • 30122

                  #9
                  I will post where I want you sick fuck, who do you think you are telling ME where to post?






                  Sorry about that DonovanPhillips, hate to bitch in your thread!

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                  • sexeducation
                    So Fucking Banned
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 7315

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Tipsy


                    I was thinking much the same. It's possibly already out of context and actually reads quite badly.
                    kinda ...
                    But those in the know - know what he said - I think?

                    Sex.com takes advantage of the fact that you can dump "enticing" and legal graphics onto P2P networks for advertising purposes.

                    And they guarantee 2257 compliance.

                    How do you read that article?

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                    • baddog
                      So Fucking Banned
                      • Apr 2001
                      • 107089

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Tipsy


                      I was thinking much the same. It's possibly already out of context and actually reads quite badly.
                      yep

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                      • Donny
                        As you wish...
                        • May 2002
                        • 13754

                        #12
                        --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                        Originally posted by Tipsy


                        I was thinking much the same. It's possibly already out of context and actually reads quite badly.
                        --------------------------------------------------------------------------------


                        I understood it. Crystal clear.

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                        • Tipsy
                          Confirmed User
                          • Jul 2001
                          • 6989

                          #13
                          Originally posted by sexeducation


                          kinda ...
                          But those in the know - know what he said - I think?

                          Sex.com takes advantage of the fact that you can dump "enticing" and legal graphics onto P2P networks for advertising purposes.

                          And they guarantee 2257 compliance.

                          How do you read that article?
                          Fuck off pedo.
                          Ignorance is never bliss.

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                          • baddog
                            So Fucking Banned
                            • Apr 2001
                            • 107089

                            #14
                            Originally posted by sexeducation


                            kinda ...
                            But those in the know - know what he said - I think?

                            fuck those in the know, they are not the people that the article was written for. It was written to convince thise not in the know.

                            Joe Citizen is going to read that and think that the adult industry is not whining about copyright piracy, but instead are going to try and exploit it.

                            Use your head for something other than a hat rack.

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                            • Tipsy
                              Confirmed User
                              • Jul 2001
                              • 6989

                              #15
                              Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
                              --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                              Originally posted by Tipsy


                              I was thinking much the same. It's possibly already out of context and actually reads quite badly.
                              --------------------------------------------------------------------------------


                              I understood it. Crystal clear.
                              You work in porn. Huge difference between yourself and 99% of the other people reading that article.
                              Ignorance is never bliss.

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                              • Donny
                                As you wish...
                                • May 2002
                                • 13754

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Tipsy


                                You work in porn. Huge difference between yourself and 99% of the other people reading that article.
                                That's true.

                                Fucking reporters!

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                                • baddog
                                  So Fucking Banned
                                  • Apr 2001
                                  • 107089

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
                                  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                  Originally posted by Tipsy


                                  I was thinking much the same. It's possibly already out of context and actually reads quite badly.
                                  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------


                                  I understood it. Crystal clear.
                                  again, you are not one that we need to worry about misinterpreting it. I understood what he meant too, but I bet my dad didn't if he read it. I bet Asscr0ft would interpret it the same way as my dad.

                                  Read it to Joe Citizen on the street and see if he understands it.

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                                  • sexeducation
                                    So Fucking Banned
                                    • Jun 2003
                                    • 7315

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by baddog


                                    fuck those in the know, they are not the people that the article was written for. It was written to convince thise not in the know.

                                    Joe Citizen is going to read that and think that the adult industry is not whining about copyright piracy, but instead are going to try and exploit it.

                                    Use your head for something other than a hat rack.

                                    The bill in the House backed by the music industry -
                                    introduced by Representative Joseph R. Pitts, a Republican
                                    from Pennsylvania, and Representative Christopher John, a Democrat from Louisiana - would require the file-swapping services to get parental consent before being used by children.



                                    I agree ..
                                    P2P is spreading CP ...

                                    That's a first step if main stream media doesn't get side tracked because it is sex.

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                                    • sexeducation
                                      So Fucking Banned
                                      • Jun 2003
                                      • 7315

                                      #19
                                      join forces ...
                                      mega smart

                                      BINGO - Sex.com

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                                      • baddog
                                        So Fucking Banned
                                        • Apr 2001
                                        • 107089

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by sexeducation


                                        I agree ..
                                        P2P is spreading CP ...

                                        That's a first step if main stream media doesn't get side tracked because it is sex.
                                        dude, kids do not download CP

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                                        • baddog
                                          So Fucking Banned
                                          • Apr 2001
                                          • 107089

                                          #21
                                          or should I say, kids are not file swapping CP

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                                          • Gemini
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Jan 2001
                                            • 7183

                                            #22
                                            I thought SE got his third strike last night? Hasn't Amp passed the word to Lens or is he laying around again?
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                                            • sexeducation
                                              So Fucking Banned
                                              • Jun 2003
                                              • 7315

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by baddog


                                              dude, kids do not download CP
                                              BULLSHIT ...
                                              14 year old are looking for 14 year olds ...
                                              GROW THE FUCK UP ...

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                                              • gkremen
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Feb 2003
                                                • 368

                                                #24
                                                The purpose of the interview was to defend the industry by saying we are not suing everyone like the RIAA is (and Acacia) but many are using P2P to spread their content and name - like putting out URLs in the pictures or the use of DRM like SinCity does an excellent job of in trailers.

                                                Anyone who is interviewed by the press (remember my interview in Wired Magazine), the press edits everything and the quotes are never what you actually say. Haven given over 100 interviews, take my word for this.

                                                With respect to Child Porn, only a very SMALL, tiny percent of our industry is involved. Thus please, please support the ASACP at http://www.ASACP.org
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                                                • TheJimmy
                                                  ICQ- five seven 0 2 5 5 0
                                                  • Jan 2001
                                                  • 10747

                                                  #25
                                                  while we're at it lets ban email, ftp and http, those transmit CP too!


                                                  hey, let's fucking BAN tv and movies, I saw this little show called "Wild Things" that portrayed some undergage bisexual themes in it and I think it got a 2 thumbs up even by some mainstream critics....

                                                  wtf?!



                                                  those music idiots are getting desperate in their fight against p2p...
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                                                  • Manga1
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Oct 2001
                                                    • 952

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by sexeducation


                                                    BULLSHIT ...
                                                    14 year old are looking for 14 year olds ...
                                                    GROW THE FUCK UP ...
                                                    Why don't you get the fuck out of here you fucking pedo cocksmoker.

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                                                    • berg.the.red
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Feb 2003
                                                      • 596

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by baddog
                                                      hmmm, I know what he means, but I am betting that comment will be twisted around and interpreted entirely differently by some.
                                                      most likely. as always they push the "child porn" button and take the "protecting the children" track and they start another witch hunt. they're after p2p anyway --this will just let them throw a couple more logs on the fire ...
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                                                      • baddog
                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                        • Apr 2001
                                                        • 107089

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by sexeducation


                                                        BULLSHIT ...
                                                        14 year old are looking for 14 year olds ...
                                                        GROW THE FUCK UP ...
                                                        your ignorance never fails to amaze me.

                                                        when you were 14 you wanted to look at sexually explicit pics of other 14 year olds or did you wait until you were 40 to want to see that?

                                                        I know when I was 14 I was a lot more interested in Marilyn MOnroe, or Bridget Bardot than looking at pics of some flat chested chick.

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                                                        • baddog
                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                          • Apr 2001
                                                          • 107089

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by gkremen
                                                          The purpose of the interview was to defend the industry by saying we are not suing everyone like the RIAA is (and Acacia) but many are using P2P to spread their content and name - like putting out URLs in the pictures or the use of DRM like SinCity does an excellent job of in trailers.

                                                          Anyone who is interviewed by the press (remember my interview in Wired Magazine), the press edits everything and the quotes are never what you actually say. Haven given over 100 interviews, take my word for this.

                                                          With respect to Child Porn, only a very SMALL, tiny percent of our industry is involved. Thus please, please support the ASACP at http://www.ASACP.org
                                                          Gary, I know exactly what you meant, my point was that the comment was for sure going to be taken out of context.

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                                                          • TurboAngel
                                                            H.B.I.C.
                                                            • Jun 2003
                                                            • 30122

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by sexeducation



                                                            The bill in the House backed by the music industry -
                                                            introduced by Representative Joseph R. Pitts, a Republican
                                                            from Pennsylvania, and Representative Christopher John, a Democrat from Louisiana - would require the file-swapping services to get parental consent before being used by children.



                                                            I agree ..
                                                            P2P is spreading CP ...

                                                            That's a first step if main stream media doesn't get side tracked because it is sex.


                                                            Isn't that what you do?




                                                            P E D O!





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                                                            • Kimmykim
                                                              bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                                                              • Jun 2001
                                                              • 16015

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by sexeducation


                                                              BULLSHIT ...
                                                              14 year old are looking for 14 year olds ...
                                                              GROW THE FUCK UP ...
                                                              Best to be quiet and be thought a fool than to post 100 times a day and be known for one.

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                                                              • mike503
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • May 2002
                                                                • 2243

                                                                #32
                                                                haha. the music industry is pathetic. trying to get people to hate p2p even more for letting kids get porn?!?

                                                                seriously.

                                                                FIX YOUR LICENSING ISSUES

                                                                FIGURE OUT A WAY TO SELL YOUR MUSIC ONLINE

                                                                ... doesn't take a rocket scientist
                                                                php/mysql guru. hosting, coding, all that jazz.

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                                                                • doober
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Jul 2003
                                                                  • 6984

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Kimmykim


                                                                  Best to be quiet and be thought a fool than to post 100 times a day and be known for one.

                                                                  too late kimmykim, everyone knows hes an idiot

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                                                                  • baddog
                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                    • Apr 2001
                                                                    • 107089

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Kimmykim


                                                                    Best to be quiet and be thought a fool than to post 100 times a day and be known for one.
                                                                    about 1477 posts and 3 months too late

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                                                                    • gkremen
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Feb 2003
                                                                      • 368

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Gary, I know exactly what you meant, my point was that the comment was for sure going to be taken out of context.


                                                                      ** Baddog - you called it right!
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                                                                      Comment

                                                                      • emthree
                                                                        Dialer Kingpin
                                                                        • Jun 2003
                                                                        • 10816

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Sexed, stfu and stop trying to cause curruption

                                                                        to the people at sex.com
                                                                        Good job

                                                                        Sell Patches & Pills

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                                                                        • Hammer
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Apr 2003
                                                                          • 961

                                                                          #37
                                                                          It would appear that Sexeds new favorite word is BINGO. Or is what I'm saying just 'Fluff and Fodder"?
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                                                                          • rudeboi
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Jun 2003
                                                                            • 262

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by gkremen
                                                                            [B]The purpose of the interview was to defend the industry by saying we are not suing everyone like the RIAA is (and Acacia) but many are using P2P to spread their content and name - like putting out URLs in the pictures or the use of DRM like SinCity does an excellent job of in trailers.
                                                                            [/B>

                                                                            Something interesting about P2P. A buddy of mine is a programmer down in LA at this company.. What they do is track gnutella & kazaa, for the music industry.. There was a write-up about this in wired this month. Another friend of mine works at a large music marketing company, and he was telling me he even uses their services..

                                                                            What they basically do is track downloads just like they track radio station playlists.. If a label is trying to push a new band, they'll track all the downloads of that band.. find the areas where the band's downloads are popular & increasing over a few weeks, and then start calling up the radio stations in those areas and putting pressure to play on them..

                                                                            Bah. No legitimate purpose, my ass.
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