U.S. officials warn of Web 'mouse traps'
Last Updated Tue Oct 2 16:43:03 2001
WASHINGTON - Authorities in the United States are warning consumers about "Web trapping." They say certain Web sites with names close to popular companies or celebrities are being used to capture users and bombard them with advertising.
Many of the Web sites target children. There are 15 variations of the Cartoon Network's Web site.
The Federal Trade Commission has pointed its finger at Web creator John Zuccarini of Pennsylvania. They say he gets paid up to $1 million annually to create these bogus sites for advertisers.
No but you usually include them.
Why do I want to surf a hundred news sites,
when you constantly and consistently post time relevant news.
KRL posts are like - the main news of the day.
This is a compliment.
Hey, give KRL a break....
Here is some more here( take a look at the date of the article!!!)
Monday, October 1, 2001
Man sued for web trickery
By D. IAN HOPPER-- The Associated Press
WASHINGTON (AP) -- A man who has been sued 63 times before on allegations of designing and making millions from Web sites that trap users has been sued again by the Federal Trade Commission.
The FTC said Monday it hopes to stop John Zuccarini of Andalusia, Pa., from creating Web sites with names close to popular companies or celebrities, then using Web tricks to keep the unsuspecting user from leaving the site.
One copycat Web site, named after tennis star Anna Kournikova, springs up 29 new Internet browser windows. When the user tries to close the windows, the buttons are either disabled or spawn new windows. This method is sometimes called "mousetrapping."
"Scams that capture consumers and hold them at sites against their will while exposing Internet users, including children, to solicitations for gambling, psychics, lotteries and pornography must be stopped," FTC chairman Timothy J. Muris said.
Zuccarini did not reply to an e-mail sent to an address on one of his Web site registrations.
FTC investigators said Zuccarini makes from $800,000 to $1 million per year by charging advertisers whose ads appear on the browser windows.
Many of the Web sites target kids, including 15 variations on the Cartoon Network's Web site, and 41 variations on the name of pop singer Britney Spears.
Even when the browser windows seem to be gone, the trap may not be over. FTC investigators said Zuccarini's sites sometimes use a "stealth" Web page that's hidden from view and acting as a timer. Periodically, that page launches new pages.
The FTC said Zuccarini has lost 53 state and federal lawsuits and has had almost 200 Web addresses taken from him and transferred to copyright holders.
It said Zuccarini does business under many company names, including 22 names using the word "Cupcake." Victims of the scam should contact the commission at 1-877-382-4357 and use the FTC's case name, "Cupcake Party."
Originally posted by stevecore good riddance to bad rubbish but what the point of trying to coax kids to porn sites? they dont have credit cards?!?
fiddy yo!
Everyone's missing the point. He was luring unsuspecting kids into dialer programs. All the kids had to do was click the connect now buttons and mommie and daddie were getting billed $5 a minute.
That's how the guy was making so much money. With thousands of domains doing that, even if he only got a connect or two per domain, he was banking serious money.
( lol .. all the info comes from Canadian links ...)
Under the new amendments, which U.S. president George W. Bush is reportedly eager to sign into law, the operator of a pornography site caught misleading Web users could be fined and face up to two years in prison.
The penalty would be harsher if the deception is aimed at children. "Whoever knowingly uses a misleading domain name with the intent to deceive a minor into viewing material that is harmful to minors on the Internet shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 4 years, or both," the amendment reads.
It explains later that any Web address containing the word "sex" or "porn" would, obviously, not be deemed misleading.
Originally posted by KRL I can't wait till they bust the guy running WhiteHouse.com. You know he's pulling kids like crazy too.
I've been saying that for years.
BUT I DEFEND HIS RIGHT TO OWN THE DOMAIN NAME.
THEY CAN NOT TAKE THAT DOMAIN FROM HIM!!!
WhiteHouse.ORG maybe. These were old time precedents and rules of netiquette that go back to when you registered domains by sending a specifically formatted text email.
His warning like MaxHardCore.com is not strong enough.
Most of you are still failing to grasp how it works. They go after a pig like this to get favorable case law on the books. Once an appeals court rules that the truth in domains law is constitutional then law enforcement has a free hand to go after the Persian Kitties, the Brittany Blus and so on. It is the same deal in the Rob Black case. The go after the worst in order to get case law that benefits their cause on the books. In this case the Prosecution would present the case like this to the court. ?But judge if you don?t uphold the this law people will be free to register Disney, and other domain names that target kids.? It will be very hard for the courts to side with the defendants. And notice how it is being presented ?entice children to pornography? This guy had 3,000 domain names how many of them were kid type names 1-2% or less? If you want to get this guy do some kind of fraud or something like that don?t make it into the test case for the truth in domains act which will have a negative impact on all of us.
Originally posted by tony404 They are going to go after people that are home runs because it gets press. Going after evildolls.com wont do that but going after some guy using misspellings of disney, a site kids do go to will do that. Also if I was making a million dollars a year and the way things are turning here, I wouldnt be stupid enough sitting in a FL motel. People who have been irresponsible in our industry, the reply is fuck you I do what I want, now the government will regulate what we do. I also think they are making him bigger than he really is, if he was making million days a year on mostly adult. People would know who he is on this board and rich men dont live in motels in FL. lol
I believe he could have been making a mil a year. That's not a whole lotta cash really, and his typos were very good ones... some you have to look at twice to catch them. LOL.
Anyway, not all "rich" webmasters make it a point to come here and show off their wealth. There's probably thousands of porn millionaires who never come here, and you'll never know about.
I hate this legal mumble jumble stuff ...
more reading ..
that's it for me tonight ...
see ya ...thanx ..
I still haven't quite nailed this "fair use" stuff.
If there is a "graphic" I wish to quote that I can not find anywhere else ... can I use it ... or is that the situation where I can not use it - because it is so unique?
Or is a graphic that I can find anywhere okay to quote - because it can be found anywhere?
I hate legal mumble jumble ...
but will read your link ...
So, again, it comes down to , what does the US government think is misealding?
My domain, stacycat.com, doesnt outwardly say porn. If my "warning" "isnt strong enough" who is to say that? I dont have any outwardly hardcore pictures on my site for my safety. What about all the other amateurs with non porn names?
Actually, what whitehouse.com is doing I think is awesome. They have that page set up with no porn on it, a warning page, and they link into whitehousesex.com. Is this the way to help ourselves from it?
Basically it states that the government, if it was really serious, could buy out a software companies filtering software and offer it free. But, then politicions wouldnt have anything to argue about.
Originally posted by StacyCat So, again, it comes down to , what does the US government think is misealding?
My domain, stacycat.com, doesnt outwardly say porn. If my "warning" "isnt strong enough" who is to say that? I dont have any outwardly hardcore pictures on my site for my safety. What about all the other amateurs with non porn names?
Actually, what whitehouse.com is doing I think is awesome. They have that page set up with no porn on it, a warning page, and they link into whitehousesex.com. Is this the way to help ourselves from it?
Basically it states that the government, if it was really serious, could buy out a software companies filtering software and offer it free. But, then politicions wouldnt have anything to argue about.
I will give you my opinion ...
stand by ...
gone to look (even though supper is waiting)
Using a "30 second glance" ...
there is nothing IMO legally wrong with your directly accessed domain name.
We are all nude when we are born.
Additionally, you have a 2257 compliance statement (I did not follow the link) ...
So my quickie opinion is - I would link to your website.
My recommendation is - be prepared for insults and slander when you post on GFY.
I need some very specific graphics ...
Contact me on ICQ 32315652 if you can provide graphics and you have an affiliate program I can join so you can make some money.
Jay from CEN emailed and said my britnyspears.com appeared on Channel 6 in FL.
I had big click here for britney spears official site
then lots of 18 plus warnings before a text link to truecelebs
no back button manipulation
I have since changed the page and only have a link to her official site
I guess Ill try to sell cds, posters, and other stuff, maybe amazon aff account
Love the way they dramatize it. He LURED the children to his website inticing them with porn. Makes him sound like a pedo.
Bad luck for him, idiot living in the new BIG brother USA should of gotten out when he read on Ynot about the new rules in play. If I was making good money off that sort of shit and the govenment went and made it illegal, i'd sure at hell get out of the country, go live in Australia for a few years while you milk it to death.
Try the New XMovies.com and make more $$$ with your Traffic
I bought adwords clicks on britney keywords after she posed "topless" in elle magazines and I had all kinds of new keywords by the end of the VMA's pointing to Mr. Skin. Are they gonna pin the luring children shit on me?
icq 279990726
www.mcdonalds.com <- great money making opportunity
That won't save him. He's still taking typo traffic and sending it to porn.
I thought his old scheme (putting political commentary aka "clinton sex stuff") on the site was the best approach. Anything to muddy the water and they prefer to go elsewhere. They like nice, clean cases.
It's interesting how the feds are doing one of these, one of those. All extreme cases with no redeeming value whatsoever. Good clean cases. Every case different. I bet we'll see a spammer (remember Ashhahahahaha said a few months ago something about how email spammers would be sorry soon?) case soon, and it will be a spammer who included hardcore images directly in the email. If you did that kind of spam you need to be real worried.
I think they're trying to generate fear, and through fear they will reduce the porn on the net in time for the elections. I wonder what else will happen soon?
Fyodor Dostoyevsky wrote: "Every man has reminiscences which he would not tell to everyone but only his friends. He has other matters in his mind which he would not reveal even to his friends, but only to himself, and that in secret. But there are other things which a man is afraid to tell even to himself, and every decent man has a number of such things stored away in his mind."
I did skim through some of that and what I found that was interesting is that the postal inspector took the language from the warning page, and used it evidence that the person knew that there was sexually explicit material on the site, and in conjunction with no real age verification system (A warning page wasn?t enough) he was intentionally allowing children to access the porn. So in other words any mere nudity sexually explicit or not is actionable at least according to the person that signed the affidavit. Also, interesting in that it is apparently enough if you simply link to the porn even though your own site has no porn on it.
I did skim through some of that and what I found that was interesting is that the postal inspector took the language from the warning page, and used it evidence that the person knew that there was sexually explicit material on the site,
This is scary... PAY ATTENTION, PEOPLE.
This lawyer is taking what we've used to keep children and those not interested in porn away - and he's using it AGAINST us.
and in conjunction with no real age verification system
They have already decided that credit cards can't be used as age verification, so what CAN be used as an age verification system? What they're wanting us to have does not exist - but we're supposed to have it anyway.
Originally posted by Carrie
They have already decided that credit cards can't be used as age verification, so what CAN be used as an age verification system? What they're wanting us to have does not exist - but we're supposed to have it anyway.
Hi Carrie ...
You're the guy I keep referering to with the third lowest ICQ number ...
Sexed I was actually looking at buying one of those low UINs tonight. My mom had a number just above mine that she's had since '97 and some fucker took it from her about 4 months ago with a password crack.
She is *still* pissed about that and actually wanted me to hunt down some hackers to get it back for her (which I didn't do). But I thought buying her an even lower number might be a cute gift since losing hers upset her so badly.
Originally posted by Carrie Sexed I was actually looking at buying one of those low UINs tonight. My mom had a number just above mine that she's had since '97 and some fucker took it from her about 4 months ago with a password crack.
She is *still* pissed about that and actually wanted me to hunt down some hackers to get it back for her (which I didn't do). But I thought buying her an even lower number might be a cute gift since losing hers upset her so badly.
PS - I'm a girl ;)
See ...
Stereotypes ...
I really thought you were a guy.
Originally posted by Lenny2 I agree that anyone who grabs domains like disneyland.com and teltubbies.com and redirects them to porn should be locked up. They're just a lower life form that the world shouldn't have to deal with.
I used to have this guy's ICQ information because I was thinking about buying a few spots on his pages.
The media has it all wrong. The guy has well over 4500 domains to his name, and for pretty much every product out there that can be spelled wrong, he's registered it. He also used to use sponsors such as CEN and ARS. Those "kids sites" mostly went to Hentai and Teen Sex sites, they weren't targeting kids at all, but I guess I can see where it pissed people off.
I wonder if they got his foreign language domains too.. This guy really banked it though. He was making over $1 Million in 1998, so I would imagine it went up since then..
WickedFire.com - Stay here. We don't need more of you. Not unless you have money, then, fine...
Originally posted by NiteChatDotTV I used to have this guy's ICQ information because I was thinking about buying a few spots on his pages.
The media has it all wrong. The guy has well over 4500 domains to his name, and for pretty much every product out there that can be spelled wrong, he's registered it. He also used to use sponsors such as CEN and ARS. Those "kids sites" mostly went to Hentai and Teen Sex sites, they weren't targeting kids at all, but I guess I can see where it pissed people off.
I wonder if they got his foreign language domains too.. This guy really banked it though. He was making over $1 Million in 1998, so I would imagine it went up since then..
Christ, when you have 4500 domains you're going to be a millionaire off the Net no matter what you do unless you're a complete putz.
kids shouldn't be able to use the net now days without supervision, findin porn is sadly to easy. i threw disney pics into google, few in top 10 are hentai, yeh i know pics is a bit of a scene word but if they can't friggin spell disney then what hope they got spellin pictures.
I'm wondering if this is going to force us into creating and using a dot xxx extension. If they are going to target any domain that does not have the words sex or porn in the domain name then what choice would the sites like persian kitty and the hun have but to go to a dot xxx extension to throw up the flag that they are a porn site.
What this guy did with the typos is pretty shitty but how far is the government going to go with trying to force us out of business. I agree that they are probably using this guy as an example to set legal precendence and now that they have a favorable judgment they will now go after the "other" domains and use this judgment as a basis for their arguments.
Originally posted by invertiga kids shouldn't be able to use the net now days without supervision, findin porn is sadly to easy. i threw disney pics into google, few in top 10 are hentai, yeh i know pics is a bit of a scene word but if they can't friggin spell disney then what hope they got spellin pictures.
That's ridiculous. My kid is 8 and he's into cars, boats, yu-gi-oh, pokemon, etc. and spends at least 1 to 2 hours after he comes home from school surfing the web and he knows the rules clearly. I'm not going to be an intrusive getstapo parent standing over his shoulder watching everything he clicks. How absurd and unfair.
Originally posted by dchottie I'm wondering if this is going to force us into creating and using a dot xxx extension. If they are going to target any domain that does not have the words sex or porn in the domain name then what choice would the sites like persian kitty and the hun have but to go to a dot xxx extension to throw up the flag that they are a porn site.
What this guy did with the typos is pretty shitty but how far is the government going to go with trying to force us out of business. I agree that they are probably using this guy as an example to set legal precendence and now that they have a favorable judgment they will now go after the "other" domains and use this judgment as a basis for their arguments.
If they go after someone well known that clearly has a non-sexual domain like Beth's PersianKitty.com or Danni's Danni.com we will know its time to button things up.
Okay - using domain names that could attract children is kinda fucked up.
and Tipsy!
Press have a habit of inflating stuff like that in a huge way.
This guy isn't after kids, just traffic...paying traffic, there is a HUGE warning page with no graphics stating ADULTS ONLY links to cyberwatch, net nanny and the like for preventing minors Enter and there are screen capture size buttons and links just like thousands of the rest of us have. Hanky Panky College not nasty sluts.com (appologies to whoever owns that)
Authorities are really playing up the intent to minors issue, totally not his intention THEY DONT HAVE CREDIT CARDS parents do...albeit teletubbies and disney obviously weren't swiftest of choices leaving himself open to this. I'll say he put his toe in water he shouldn't have, considering the unsupervised minor that may be wildy cruising the internet anyway...but it's the parents that buy Disney and Teletubbies and PORN!
I know John, he's a character and a friend. He may have gotten a little carried away in persuit of traffic volumes, but he's certainly no wacky child stalker. The guy who complained to Yahoo.com cummon... isn't it the capitalistic american way to make opportunity where you can, what would it really take for Yahoo to buy domains Yahooo and Yaho and Yahoooo for the $50 bucks it costs. John beat them to it and made a bit of dough at it, well more than a bit.
I dunno if a kid burns down a school it's the parents fault for not minding them ...well geeze is the internet really any different? or dad's porno mags, did that do irreprible damage? we ought to know Amber bullshit I say, does this apply to the cable companies too, featuring adult...hmmm it's there in the home any kid can go to there, it's up to the parents again in this case, sure is.
Hanky Panky College that's where his redirects go...in his defense John doesn't put up farm sites images or sites with just female parts that don't include the rest of the woman or use derogatory language like bitches, sluts and hahahahas and uses a warning page. He's got ethics and he's one of the most likeable guys I know.
We know what 'bad guys' us who promote porn are made out to be.
I highly doubt the government would ever be able to push all adult sites to an xxx or any other particualr set of extensions. It will probably be more like, they will start some sort of list that is updated daily that we all have to reg on in order for parents to lock those sites out of their own computers. Don't know how they would lock them out and at the same time keep the kids from over riding it, but thats their problem. I don't know how to program. lol
At the same time, it will also hand them all of us in a basket. Neat and tidy to watch like hawks.
I remember when Playboy etc was on the OPEN shelves in stores. Parents fussed and they stuck them behind the counter. More fussing and they went UNDER the counter or had their fronts covered up. Did it totally prevent kids from getting them? Ummm Some markets are run by kids under 18 in the afternoons. Their buddies come in and buy the mags. Of course they pay an extra 5 bucks for that. lol
What I really find surprising is how the under 21 yr olds sell beer when the normal grocery cashier has to have ssomeone OVER 21 ring it out (or the customer scans it themselves.
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Originally posted by NADINEXXX You got it Explicit!
This guy isn't after kids, just traffic...paying traffic, there is a HUGE warning page with no graphics stating ADULTS ONLY links to cyberwatch, net nanny and the like for preventing minors Enter and there are screen capture size buttons and links just like thousands of the rest of us have. Hanky Panky College not nasty sluts.com (appologies to whoever owns that)
Authorities are really playing up the intent to minors issue, totally not his intention THEY DONT HAVE CREDIT CARDS parents do...albeit teletubbies and disney obviously weren't swiftest of choices leaving himself open to this. I'll say he put his toe in water he shouldn't have, considering the unsupervised minor that may be wildy cruising the internet anyway...but it's the parents that buy Disney and Teletubbies and PORN!
I know John, he's a character and a friend. He may have gotten a little carried away in persuit of traffic volumes, but he's certainly no wacky child stalker. The guy who complained to Yahoo.com cummon... isn't it the capitalistic american way to make opportunity where you can, what would it really take for Yahoo to buy domains Yahooo and Yaho and Yahoooo for the $50 bucks it costs. John beat them to it and made a bit of dough at it, well more than a bit.
I dunno if a kid burns down a school it's the parents fault for not minding them ...well geeze is the internet really any different? or dad's porno mags, did that do irreprible damage? we ought to know Amber bullshit I say, does this apply to the cable companies too, featuring adult...hmmm it's there in the home any kid can go to there, it's up to the parents again in this case, sure is.
Hanky Panky College that's where his redirects go...in his defense John doesn't put up farm sites images or sites with just female parts that don't include the rest of the woman or use derogatory language like bitches, sluts and hahahahas and uses a warning page. He's got ethics and he's one of the most likeable guys I know.
We know what 'bad guys' us who promote porn are made out to be.
Oh come on now. He's got mispelled Disney sites hooked up to dialers. Please don't even try to tell me he's not trying to get the little kids to hit the dialers without understanding what's going on and that their parents phone bill is going to be nailed.
Gimme a frickin break.
This guy tarnishes our industry. He's fucking with other corporations images, trademarks, and logos and using the goodwill of their recognized names to make money off porn.
I remember when Playboy etc was on the OPEN shelves in stores. Parents fussed and they stuck them behind the counter. More fussing and they went UNDER the counter or had their fronts covered up. Did it totally prevent kids from getting them? Ummm Some markets are run by kids under 18 in the afternoons. Their buddies come in and buy the mags. Of course they pay an extra 5 bucks for that. lol
I remember that too. When I was growing up in a small town of 1,000 in the Midwest our local grocery store had Penthouse, Playboy, Playgirl and a few other adult magazines on the top shelf of the magazine rack. First they covered them with plastic, then a year or two later they moved them under the counter where you had to ask for them and a couple of years later they quit selling them altogether because nobody bought them anymore as they were hidden away. More recently we have Wal-Mart removing FHM, Maxim and other like magazines nationwide because a few prudes complained about it. I don?t call that progress.
What too few people fail to realize is that these religiously insane people won?t stop their crusade on Internet porn until they have been successful in doing to it what they did to magazines in the last two decades.
until they have been successful in doing to it what they did to magazines in the last two decades.
Too true Kingfish. Back in the 70's a religious bunch actually dynamited a Lions Den Adult Bookstore. They had been protesting it for quite awhile. What they didn't know was there was an old man inside (hired to call the cops if the idiots broke in) Luckily his mattress saved him. Funnier, during the investigation, it came out that some of the protesters were customers. rotfl
There is going to have to be a split somehow someway. The overly religious will have to be dealt with someway. But that is up to the coming generation. I doubt the 2 here of us are even around in 20 yrs. lol
If we are, we'll no doubt be wondering where our SS is that Bush is currently burning up with his Hawks.
Vote NO to Bush in '04 Or learn to cook and clean.
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I'm all for a PG kids only internet, great idea...we keep kids out of bars don't we. This should separate things nicely. Again it's going to be up to the parents to see that kids aren't entering the general internet. Too much trouble can be gotten into there, even for adults, like all big cities.
Would save a lot of issues for everyone. WHY NOT? is the big question. Forget about .xxx Most of all the nutcases who have such a hard-on for internet adult providers, would be pleased as should the rest of us, or would it just take away some of their amo? is that the real problem...
The people who market things to kids may not like this, since kids can't purchase services, but they can sure bug their parents, just like McDonalds and kid's cereal, it's crap but it's for kids.
How long has the internet been around that we haven't done this already...what's the hold up...so we can all just move on.
It would single out the real bad guys that are looking for kids and sure make it easier to elimiate them.
Originally posted by NADINEXXX I'm all for a PG kids only internet, great idea...we keep kids out of bars don't we. This should separate things nicely. Again it's going to be up to the parents to see that kids aren't entering the general internet. Too much trouble can be gotten into there, even for adults, like all big cities.
Would save a lot of issues for everyone. WHY NOT? is the big question. Forget about .xxx Most of all the nutcases who have such a hard-on for internet adult providers, would be pleased as should the rest of us, or would it just take away some of their amo? is that the real problem...
The people who market things to kids may not like this, since kids can't purchase services, but they can sure bug their parents, just like McDonalds and kid's cereal, it's crap but it's for kids.
How long has the internet been around that we haven't done this already...what's the hold up...so we can all just move on.
It would single out the real bad guys that are looking for kids and sure make it easier to elimiate them.
.kids.us is a great idea.
It would be a crime against free speech to try to dumb down the entire existing internet to be "kid friendly". Rather than that, they should create a new kid friendly internet on .kids.us. Everyone wins.
It would be a crime against free speech to try to dumb down the entire existing internet to be "kid friendly". Rather than that, they should create a new kid friendly internet on .kids.us. Everyone wins.
No, the kids lose.
There are millions of things that kids search for doing school reports that would never get included in a "kids-only" internet. Not only because they're "questionable" by someone, like breastfeeding, but also because it would just be such an expense to make a clone of the site for the .kids extention with certain things taken out.
And who decides what gets approved for this and what doesn't?
Will the current filtering software rules apply? If so, you'll block out any pages with the word "breast" - robbing kids of important information concerning puberty, checking their breasts for lumps, exercises for their breasts, breast feeding, etc
What about a human editorial committee? Okay, then you get opinions on what "should" and "shouldn't" be included... and you lose important information like the atrocities that happened during wars because it's "too much" for the kids, and shit like that.
I think porn sites should be moved to a .xxx extention. Yes, it would kill "spontaneous" buyers, but anyone who's relying solely on that traffic for their income needs to ground themselves in reality anyway and learn something new.
I thought the same thing.. 1 Mill with mispelled names?? Kids geared names? Thats bizarre..
Parents !
Steffie, consider the dialers.
Some dialers auto-install themselves, disconnect the user and reconnect to the porn site at however many $$ per minute.
The ones that don't auto-install pop up on the screen, the kid just clicks "okay" automatically thinking he's gonna get to see a naughty picture OR that clicking "okay" will make it go away... the dialer installs itself, disconnects the user, reconnects to the dialer system at so many $$ per minute...
A million per year is easy using tactics like that, especially when most dialer rates are around or over $1 per minute.
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