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09-02-2003, 01:58 PM

So we just got in some pretty impressive statistics from one of our MPA2 customer with some numbers that we think are important for program owners to know about.

These numbers were taken from a short time period (will not reveal how long time - but it was short) and we got the approval from our customer (who can choose whether to be anonomous or not themselves) to share them with the rest of you guys.

Processor #1 - 3322 signups
Processor #2 - 1898 signups
processor #3 - 10 signups

This is how important it is to cascade your processors, and not to mention how important it is to spread your risk!!!

This program increased their revenue by $150K a week when adding MPA2 cascading

PS. Before you (and you know who you are) start to scream about this being a spam - it is, but it is also the truth!!!

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09-02-2003, 01:59 PM

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09-02-2003, 02:03 PM

Regarding spreading your risk, one of the best features is that with one click you can change the order of your processors. Doing this every few days will even out your rebills incase one of them goes under.

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09-02-2003, 02:08 PM

just remember that you cant use iBill and Epoch together in a cascading style

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09-02-2003, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by Rick Latona
Regarding spreading your risk, one of the best features is that with one click you can change the order of your processors. Doing this every few days will even out your rebills incase one of them goes under.

As I should have said it my self !

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i say its gigacash
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09-02-2003, 02:18 PM

I bet that is TripleXCash.

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09-02-2003, 02:29 PM

Does MPA2 have a built in shaver module that can be adjusted by percentage?

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09-02-2003, 02:29 PM

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Does MPA2 have a built in shaver module that can be adjusted by percentage?

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09-02-2003, 03:17 PM

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Does MPA2 have a built in shaver module that can be adjusted by percentage?

Some just dont give up. How about looking at these number and see that these numbers also means like 40% more signups to their webmasters !!

Remember, without the mpa2 cascading the signups taken by the second and the third processor would be LOST if it wasnt for our cascading.

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09-02-2003, 03:18 PM

Damn, sorry, its more like 50%... Sorry my bad

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09-02-2003, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by I Am The Walrus
just remember that you cant use iBill and Epoch together in a cascading style

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09-02-2003, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by I Am The Walrus
just remember that you cant use iBill and Epoch together in a cascading style

Who would want to use IBill when MPS2 works with ccbill, epoch and jettis?

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09-02-2003, 03:45 PM

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Who would want to use IBill when MPS2 works with ccbill, epoch and jettis?

and PSW and netbilling

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09-02-2003, 03:48 PM

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Does MPA2 have a built in shaver module that can be adjusted by percentage?

Does it?
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09-02-2003, 04:18 PM

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Does it?

No it does not. But if you insist on your version having it, it would be easy to add it...

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09-02-2003, 05:00 PM

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09-02-2003, 05:09 PM

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No it does not. But if you insist on your version having it, it would be easy to add it...

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09-02-2003, 05:12 PM

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Does MPA2 have a built in shaver module that can be adjusted by percentage?

Here we go again...ANY program can have a shaving option build in..stop crying.
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09-02-2003, 06:08 PM

These numbers are very good, personally i'm doing 29% through my 2nd processor. 57% is very good, I can certainly see it with the right type of traffic. Some processors scrub hard on some countries.

I find cascading very very good, I personally have a couple of gold cards and epoch won't let me signup to any of there sites (including my own go figuire heh), they are brand new but I can join via pswbilling and ccbill anytime I like. Huge amounts of signups are lost to LEGIT customers when cascading is not done.

I think 25-40% using 2nd processor would be average. And thats a good extra lot of signups and really helps your conversion ratios. Can take you from 1/400 to 1/300 conversion ratio's.

And yes MPA2 kicksass and everyone should love promoting sponsors who use it cause you'll get 25-40% more signups.

Not to mention the extra checking signups you'll pull in.

Keep up the great work Oystein & Garry

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09-02-2003, 07:03 PM

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And when are you boys bringing out MPA3? I can't wait to get my hands on it when you are finished making it

The new updates in version "3" of MPA2 will be released sometimes this fall/winter with quite a few amazing features, added as we have gotten the requests from our customers.

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09-02-2003, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by boneprone

Hence my to a of a comment...

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09-02-2003, 07:06 PM

The numbers speak for themselves. And all the features just add to the fun for a webmaster in a very competitive marketplace... Get on the bus...

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09-02-2003, 07:17 PM

Does a failed rebill go thru the cascading?

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09-02-2003, 07:18 PM

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09-02-2003, 07:28 PM

now I'm regretting letting you post my stats
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09-03-2003, 05:42 AM

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now I'm regretting letting you post my stats

Why ?? You couldnt really get much better advertisement then this one. Get 50% better signup ratio !!

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09-03-2003, 07:20 AM

MPA really needs to get ACH Debit (WTS) integrated.

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09-03-2003, 07:23 AM

Originally posted by BV
Does a failed rebill go thru the cascading?

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09-03-2003, 07:49 AM

MPA2 rocks, and I'm convinced the Cascading option will increase the bottom line for both US and our affiliates...

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09-03-2003, 10:20 AM

Look.... MPA2 is a good program and I would feel comfortable recommending it to anyone, but your numbers just don't add up here.

IF MPA2 cascading processing resulted in an INCREASE in 150k PER WEEK then:

1. Whoever you are, you had the highest decline rate of any program or any processor in the history of the adult internet PRIOR to installing MPA2 cascading processing.

2. You can CERTAINLY expect to be out of business and TMF'd in about 3 to 6 months because there is NO WAY in hell that 150k PER WEEK in declines, converted to sales, will hold water. A good percentage of those are going to come back to bite you in the ass.

There are only a handful of programs, a SMALL handful, that could even do 150k EXTRA per week, so something is telling me that those numbers are just a tad hyped.

It's a good program, report real stats, no need to hype them up.
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09-03-2003, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by JMM
Look.... MPA2 is a good program and I would feel comfortable recommending it to anyone, but your numbers just don't add up here.

IF MPA2 cascading processing resulted in an INCREASE in 150k PER WEEK then:

1. Whoever you are, you had the highest decline rate of any program or any processor in the history of the adult internet PRIOR to installing MPA2 cascading processing.

2. You can CERTAINLY expect to be out of business and TMF'd in about 3 to 6 months because there is NO WAY in hell that 150k PER WEEK in declines, converted to sales, will hold water. A good percentage of those are going to come back to bite you in the ass.

There are only a handful of programs, a SMALL handful, that could even do 150k EXTRA per week, so something is telling me that those numbers are just a tad hyped.

It's a good program, report real stats, no need to hype them up.

i also thought it didnt look realistic at all. I'm working closely with a cascaded system and it doesnt have results anywhere near that.
you can change the order your processors, maybe thats why the second processor got so many signups? if so, this thread was a bit misleading with the stats.
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09-03-2003, 10:36 AM

Thats a 150 thousands dollars not sales!

Also if you try to signup with the primary processor and make a typo you're routed to the secondary so technically it wasn't a decline.
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09-03-2003, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by Oystein
So we just got in some pretty impressive statistics from one of our MPA2 customer with some numbers that we think are important for program owners to know about.

These numbers were taken from a short time period (will not reveal how long time - but it was short) and we got the approval from our customer (who can choose whether to be anonomous or not themselves) to share them with the rest of you guys.

Processor #1 - 3322 signups
Processor #2 - 1898 signups
processor #3 - 10 signups

This is how important it is to cascade your processors, and not to mention how important it is to spread your risk!!!

This program increased their revenue by $150K a week when adding MPA2 cascading

PS. Before you (and you know who you are) start to scream about this being a spam - it is, but it is also the truth!!!

And the chargeback ratio is?

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09-03-2003, 11:05 AM

hmm. $150k increase in weekly sales?

perhaps this is after running the program for 6-12 months? and the recurring from this caused the increase in rebills over time?

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09-03-2003, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by market4s
MPA really needs to get ACH Debit (WTS) integrated.

Thanks for the cents, we do how ever have a very good experience with electracash though. But as always, we can add in what ever you like to the mpa2 program, just ask us

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09-03-2003, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by Muff
Thats a 150 thousands dollars not sales!

Also if you try to signup with the primary processor and make a typo you're routed to the secondary so technically it wasn't a decline.

That makes sense, I currently only use CCBill and yesterday my stats showed 10 declines. BUT if you look into the transactions about 80% of those declines re entered another card (or whatever) and signed up. So out of the 10 declines 8 of them ended up signing up correctly.

However I think that this program looks pretty good and will probably end up going with it.

I am curious to see some more stats on smaller sites like mine that used CCBill only and now use this MPA2.

Anyone?

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09-03-2003, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by JMM
Look.... MPA2 is a good program and I would feel comfortable recommending it to anyone, but your numbers just don't add up here.

IF MPA2 cascading processing resulted in an INCREASE in 150k PER WEEK then:

1. Whoever you are, you had the highest decline rate of any program or any processor in the history of the adult internet PRIOR to installing MPA2 cascading processing.

2. You can CERTAINLY expect to be out of business and TMF'd in about 3 to 6 months because there is NO WAY in hell that 150k PER WEEK in declines, converted to sales, will hold water. A good percentage of those are going to come back to bite you in the ass.

There are only a handful of programs, a SMALL handful, that could even do 150k EXTRA per week, so something is telling me that those numbers are just a tad hyped.

It's a good program, report real stats, no need to hype them up.

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First of all, thanks for the props

The 150k is not our words, its the customer. Now it can mean that he got much more webmasters promoting his sites now because he uses the mpa2 program. And the reason for this can be:

A. He can offer his webmasters allot more features now then he could in the past.

B. Not only the program owner make more money because of the cascading, also his webmasters. This will likely make them send him more traffic.

B. He can offer higher payouts to his webmasters because he now have more ways to prevent fraud.

We did not mark up the numbers here in any way. Actually we did discuss this with in Mansion if we really should do this post at all. But we figured the world has a right to know

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09-03-2003, 02:02 PM

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And the chargeback ratio is?

Now why would the charge back ratio be any higher ? Even though a processor is secondary or third in the cascading they do not change the way they scrub the cards. If the card goes through the secondary processor it would have gone through it if they where the primary as well. Its just as simple as the processors have different rules for the scrubbing. Hell I have 3 Visa cards my self here, and with one of the processors NONE of my cards are accepted, with two of the others all of them are. I do have a few dollars on my accounts so that can not be the reason and I have never done a charge back in my life so that can not be the reason. Its just that they have different rules.

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09-03-2003, 02:47 PM

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Now why would the charge back ratio be any higher ? Even though a processor is secondary or third in the cascading they do not change the way they scrub the cards. If the card goes through the secondary processor it would have gone through it if they where the primary as well. Its just as simple as the processors have different rules for the scrubbing. Hell I have 3 Visa cards my self here, and with one of the processors NONE of my cards are accepted, with two of the others all of them are. I do have a few dollars on my accounts so that can not be the reason and I have never done a charge back in my life so that can not be the reason. Its just that they have different rules.

You are saying that the chargeback ratio is no higher at all?

It will be interesting to see Visa's views on this over the coming weeks.

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09-03-2003, 02:59 PM

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You are saying that the chargeback ratio is no higher at all?

It will be interesting to see Visa's views on this over the coming weeks.

?? why ?? I thought Visa already set the rule to be 1%. Isnt that enough ? I thought Visas conserne was about the charge backs, not about who charged the credit card. If the credit card is valide, and the customer is happy because he got in to the site he wanted to get in to, and he doesnt do a charge back, why would anyone not be happy then ?

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09-03-2003, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by SGS

You are saying that the chargeback ratio is no higher at all?

It will be interesting to see Visa's views on this over the coming weeks.

?? WHY ?? Why would Visa not like this ? Visa have already set the charge back ratio to be 1%, isnt that enough? Why would they care about who is charging the customers card as long as the charge back ratio is not over the 1% ?

I cant see anything then that everyone gets happy from this.

Customer gets in to the site he wanted to signup for.

Processor get the extra signup he wouldnt have got if it wasnt for the cascading.

Same with Visa.

Same with site owner.

And of course the webmaster that sent the customer also get referral..

Now this seems like a win win situation to me.

Just my

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09-03-2003, 03:16 PM

Sorry for the double post about the Visa issue.

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09-03-2003, 03:47 PM

garry, not to nit-pick your english but if you say secondary, and then third its improper english, it would be seconday and then tertiary.
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09-03-2003, 03:49 PM

to the subject at hand... if you cascade billing and people claim that that sends the CB ratio up, if you lose one processor because your over then 1%, would you lose the others as well?
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09-03-2003, 07:31 PM

Why - First of all, Garry?s English is not the best - I have to admit that. Then again, he comes from the land of Vikings where the sun always shines during summer and the snowfalls continuously during winter. Hmmm... Horrible excuse for bad English, but what the heck. Mine take an occasional dump too

As for your comment about losing one processor - - - and so on... You are right. So stay compliant with the top processors in the industry and protect yourself. That is all she wrote...

PS. Most serious companies in the industry cascade their billing one way or the other. And have for years. It has been proven to not increase CB.

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09-03-2003, 09:04 PM

Here the scenario we are planning to use, probably with MPA2 but we are looking at others as well.

Netbilling is our primary for credit cards and checks. We use CCbill for our backup. We have domestic and offshore merchant accounts. Our offshore chargebacks for Visa are allowed to be 2% but must be 1% for our domestic account and our CCbill account. So we are going to cascade our domestic Netbilling account, then CCbill, then our offshore Netbilling account in that order. We will probably set our scrubbing to decline the foreign transactions for the first account so only the cleanest domestic signups will go to our 1% merchant account, and send the declines (both regular declines and foreign transactions) to CCbill and then our foreign merchant account. Checks/ACH will just go from Netbilling to CCbill if declined.

Sound good?

Z

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09-04-2003, 11:57 AM

WHY, thanks for the comment. Ill try to remember that word. But I can not promise anything
English is not an easy language, but Im doing my best

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09-04-2003, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by Zprogramz
Here the scenario we are planning to use, probably with MPA2 but we are looking at others as well.

Netbilling is our primary for credit cards and checks. We use CCbill for our backup. We have domestic and offshore merchant accounts. Our offshore chargebacks for Visa are allowed to be 2% but must be 1% for our domestic account and our CCbill account. So we are going to cascade our domestic Netbilling account, then CCbill, then our offshore Netbilling account in that order. We will probably set our scrubbing to decline the foreign transactions for the first account so only the cleanest domestic signups will go to our 1% merchant account, and send the declines (both regular declines and foreign transactions) to CCbill and then our foreign merchant account. Checks/ACH will just go from Netbilling to CCbill if declined.

Sound good?

Z

Z - You need to check into the new VISA regulations before you go for that solution. Contact Doug at ccbill, or Isabel at Epoch or Matt from PSW or Mitch from Netbilling to be sure that you can do it that way - across border transactions is not looked good at from VISA and there might be fines involved.

Or contact me directly and I will guide you throught the vast jungle of processing...

So take care of that before you choose the route to go for your company

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