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08-31-2003, 08:45 AM

Requires a content paysite to have say 50% of the content to be exclusive?

We all know that lots of the chargeback and yelling that goes on is because of those BS plugins and BS galleries that are found at most paysites.

What if they require you to tell the surfer exactly whats in the members area (not the standard BS 5 billion movies)

Can this happen one day?

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08-31-2003, 08:47 AM

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08-31-2003, 08:48 AM

actually it wouldn't change a lot

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08-31-2003, 08:49 AM

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08-31-2003, 08:52 AM

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08-31-2003, 08:53 AM

It wouldn't have much impact on me or you directly and it would probably raise consumer confidence which would equal more sales for anyone actually providing something people want.

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08-31-2003, 08:53 AM

if you got 500 pictures in your members area.. you have more pictures then inside of a porn magazine.. if you have 1,000 pictures that could be 39.95$ if it was a magazine.. most members area's have 50,000 pictures and movies games live chats .. everything.. for 39.95$ that is cheap as fuck i don't get why they are charging back
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08-31-2003, 08:54 AM

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if you got 500 pictures in your members area.. you have more pictures then inside of a porn magazine.. if you have 1,000 pictures that could be 39.95$ if it was a magazine.. most members area's have 50,000 pictures and movies games live chats .. everything.. for 39.95$ that is cheap as fuck i don't get why they are charging back

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08-31-2003, 08:57 AM

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yea but u cant take ur computer to ur bed

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ya so they should just buy a 1 hour long movie on channel 99 for 25$.. members area's should go for like 250$ a month
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08-31-2003, 08:59 AM

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ya so they should just buy a 1 hour long movie on channel 99 for 25$.. members area's should go for like 250$ a month

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08-31-2003, 09:12 AM

The reason they charge back is because its the same old tired shit . Its like saying those bastards at Visa expect us to run our businesses with integrity imagine the nerve of them. Adult webmasters should tell the truth to begin with doesnt it seem like a problem that the only way to get adult webmasters to be honest is for a cc company to mandate it. All the pain thats coming could of all been avoided thats the shame of it. The adult industry has to learn the words of Henry Ford "dont try to give the customer the least for his dollar, give him the most for his dollar" Remember without the customer we are nothing so why fuck him over ?
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08-31-2003, 09:27 AM

3rd party billing wont despute a charge back for the most part

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08-31-2003, 09:28 AM

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3rd party billing wont despute a charge back for the most part

think about when you call one of there service centers, odds are you are talking to a 19 year old kid with alot better shit on his mind then to despute if you really signed up to hotanalgangbangedhookersintights.net

he would reather just charge it back and move on

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08-31-2003, 09:32 AM

I'd like to see some numbers instead of sheer speculation. Who here has taken surveys and asked their canceling members why they canceled? Who here has numbers on the CBR of bought content versus exclusive content?

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08-31-2003, 09:38 AM

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The reason they charge back is because its the same old tired shit . Its like saying those bastards at Visa expect us to run our businesses with integrity imagine the nerve of them. Adult webmasters should tell the truth to begin with doesnt it seem like a problem that the only way to get adult webmasters to be honest is for a cc company to mandate it. All the pain thats coming could of all been avoided thats the shame of it. The adult industry has to learn the words of Henry Ford "dont try to give the customer the least for his dollar, give him the most for his dollar" Remember without the customer we are nothing so why fuck him over ?

You are correct Tony. However, there are many surfers out there that klnow they can do what they want and charge it all back. You cannot return a porn mag to the newstand but you sure as hell can call up your card company and deny signing up for a site. It is well proven that exclusive content and honesty does help keep the chargebacks down though.

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08-31-2003, 09:39 AM

Well I am 98% exclusive we shoot all our own content. I think if third part processors made it painful to charge back, like putting them into collections. I will give you a example a guy joined our site for 3 months and canceled then rejoined 5 months later and charged back the month saying someone used his cc number without his knowledge. My wife im'ed him and he said I am sorry and disappeared. I know they cant over turn cb's for the most part but they can go after them, it would make people think twice. My check processor does that, in face when I looked at my stats they have a guy in collections now as we speak.
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08-31-2003, 09:40 AM

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08-31-2003, 09:45 AM

if visa would take actions on this currency of low-leveled beans, I wouldn't see the difference between 2 monkeys and an ape. Because of the changing currency I bought an island for my mother and two cars for my father. I cannot see difference between me and two people who make love to each other without using sexual protection. The average webmaster is filled with grain and difficulties which would not occur if you wouldn't let the level take it over by the team or e-commerce business development. Because of the extendable metrics I wouldn't be able to enhance my top notch solutions.

If they say it's not true by just looking at it or observising the object and not thinking about the value of the real object they shouldn't be talking about the object itself, but the maker/developer. The impactful relationships should not be evolved with this kind of initiatives, just because we're disposable.

But then, again, I wouldn't bother explaining you what it really was about.

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08-31-2003, 09:48 AM

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if visa would take actions on this currency of low-leveled beans, I wouldn't see the difference between 2 monkeys and an ape. Because of the changing currency I bought an island for my mother and two cars for my father. I cannot see difference between me and two people who make love to each other without using sexual protection. The average webmaster is filled with grain and difficulties which would not occur if you wouldn't let the level take it over by the team or e-commerce business development. Because of the extendable metrics I wouldn't be able to enhance my top notch solutions.

If they say it's not true by just looking at it or observising the object and not thinking about the value of the real object they shouldn't be talking about the object itself, but the maker/developer. The impactful relationships should not be evolved with this kind of initiatives, just because we're disposable.

But then, again, I wouldn't bother explaining you what it really was about.

But if you drive on the road and have many objects then decide to stop and get another object then the first one will not have the same power as the others since either object is something that will bring it to the first.

But the developer of that second object has the ability to see new objects and bring the value of the others back to the first object that will make it just as good as new objects.

But then, again, I wouldn't bother explaining you what it really was about.

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08-31-2003, 09:50 AM

by the way i made this thread because someone at a billing company told me that Visa mentioned this

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08-31-2003, 09:50 AM

visa might be able to tell how you to run your billing pratices but i think once they start telling you how to run your sites, thats crossing the line quite a bit. any one knows if you want a paysite to be truly successful a large % of content should be exclusive.

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08-31-2003, 09:52 AM

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visa might be able to tell how you to run your billing pratices but i think once they start telling you how to run your sites, thats crossing the line quite a bit. any one knows if you want a paysite to be truly successful a large % of content should be exclusive.

umm wake up they are already doing that and they will win at the end with whatever they want

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08-31-2003, 09:53 AM

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08-31-2003, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by cash69
if you got 500 pictures in your members area.. you have more pictures then inside of a porn magazine.. if you have 1,000 pictures that could be 39.95$ if it was a magazine.. most members area's have 50,000 pictures and movies games live chats .. everything.. for 39.95$ that is cheap as fuck i don't get why they are charging back

They are charging back becasue they do not like what they got for $40.

Give it as much thought and attention as a magazine does and you willnot have a problem. Wonder what Hustlers CB is, know Score are not worried.

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08-31-2003, 09:54 AM

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But if you drive on the road and have many objects then decide to stop and get another object then the first one will not have the same power as the others since either object is something that will bring it to the first.

But the developer of that second object has the ability to see new objects and bring the value of the others back to the first object that will make it just as good as new objects.

But then, again, I wouldn't bother explaining you what it really was about.

You could not drive on the road without monetizing the open-source synergies. It's something what could not be fixed in just a matter of time. You would need a incubate and sticky mindsharing portal. Therefore, my value is not redirected to the bleeding-edge e-services, which are supplied with the wrong numbers of content. If you think this is not acceptable in the dynamic architectures, you're wrong. Every second is being counted and embraced with the magnetic cross-platform functionalities. This is being caused by the B2B entering technologies, managed by the indisruptable killer eyeballs.

I do not see a difference between the two pro-active channels.

But then, again, I wouldn't bother explaining you what it really was about.

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08-31-2003, 09:56 AM

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umm wake up they are already doing that and they will win at the end with whatever they want

ONLY TIME WILL TELL

well i don't run paysites so i don't know everything they are doing. so visa tells you how many pics you can have? how many movies? what kind of content? thats what im talking about, if they are doing that already what the fuck? why isn't anyone standing up to this shit?

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08-31-2003, 09:58 AM

I run three paysites and we already tell our members exactly what is inside, how many movies, how many hours and we make sure the actual content is at least 10% more than we advertised.

As a result, the CB ratio is around zero percent. Has been for 2 years.

I am pretty sure CCBill blacklists surfers that chargeback, so you have some good protection there now that they are for all intents and purposes the only 3rd party biller left.

There are 2 kinds of chargebacks:

1. Fraud - dumb fucks only get to do it once, and can't go site hopping unless they pick sites with different CC billers.

2. Rage - a member is really pissed off, for example because his $2.99 trial just converted to $39.99. Sure, he might have signed up for that but he realizes you took advantage of him, so he is pissed.

The new 1% doesn't worry me in the slightest, because it will give sites like mine that use low key sales tactics an advantage.

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08-31-2003, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by BlackCrayon

well i don't run paysites so i don't know everything they are doing. so visa tells you how many pics you can have? how many movies? what kind of content? thats what im talking about, if they are doing that already what the fuck? why isn't anyone standing up to this shit?

not exactly

stand up? lol if visa decides on something or master you can sue till you are blue in the face they have and continue to call shots.

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08-31-2003, 09:59 AM

The other thing is whether it is a good gallery, with quality content or just a filler with a load of crap.

But I doubt if Visa are interested in what's inside the site, so long as it's legal, they go by the number of clients who are disatisfied enough to CB.

As for exclusive being the key, good exclusive is bad exclusive is not. Crap stinks no matter how many/few people have it. A lot of webmasters are going to have to be looking a lot closer at what they buy.

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08-31-2003, 10:00 AM

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I run three paysites and we already tell our members exactly what is inside, how many movies, how many hours and we make sure the actual content is at least 10% more than we advertised.

As a result, the CB ratio is around zero percent. Has been for 2 years.

I am pretty sure CCBill blacklists surfers that chargeback, so you have some good protection there now that they are for all intents and purposes the only 3rd party biller left.

There are 2 kinds of chargebacks:

1. Fraud - dumb fucks only get to do it once, and can't go site hopping unless they pick sites with different CC billers.

2. Rage - a member is really pissed off, for example because his $2.99 trial just converted to $39.99. Sure, he might have signed up for that but he realizes you took advantage of him, so he is pissed.

The new 1% doesn't worry me in the slightest, because it will give sites like mine that use low key sales tactics an advantage.

What was the outcome with your "far" site? Are you still selling?
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08-31-2003, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by EscortBiz
Requires a content paysite to have say 50% of the content to be exclusive?

We all know that lots of the chargeback and yelling that goes on is because of those BS plugins and BS galleries that are found at most paysites.

What if they require you to tell the surfer exactly whats in the members area (not the standard BS 5 billion movies)

Can this happen one day?

i don't see why it can't happen if they are the ones making the rules. they can say anything they want in the name of "fighting fraud"
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08-31-2003, 10:11 AM

It would be a bit ironic. After making it as hard as possible for site owners to then give them the biggest tip possible for success.

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08-31-2003, 10:16 AM

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08-31-2003, 10:16 AM

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What was the outcome with your "far" site? Are you still selling?

Nah, the top offer was 70 grand, but the offer was payments spread out over a year. Not a lot of incentive to sell out that way.

By upping the affiliate program to 60% revshare, though, I am suddenly getting a *lot* of affiliate sales for the first time. Unfortunately a $24.95 sale only nets around $8.50 after the CCBill haircut and revshare though, ouch.

I am still queasy about the adult industry. Not the Visa thing, but the legality. But greed got the better of me, I guess.

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08-31-2003, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by EscortBiz
Requires a content paysite to have say 50% of the content to be exclusive?

What if they require you to tell the surfer exactly whats in the members area (not the standard BS 5 billion movies)

Can this happen one day?

I think it can and should happen.

There are only a handful of bbw mega sites that I will promote, becuase the others are crap. If this rule was in effect, I would know that they have some substance in their members area, because I could see it all in the tour. It would also really help me out selling exclusive content :-)

But, my only problem with Visa telling us how to run our sites is that they arent taking any additional responsibility, its still all on us. when they can say "But, sir, you saw exactly what you were signing up for, at least 50% of that you cant see anywhere else, what was the problem" then visa can tell me what to do :-)

BTW, about 98% of my stuff is exclusive, and the archive I hook into is at least that, if not more.
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08-31-2003, 11:48 AM

Some of you people WANT Visa to require exclusive content inside sites? Ahaha. You're on crack. Can you even begin to think about the repercussions?

I'd still like to see some numbers on the CBR of exclusive content sites versus non-exclusive content. Most of the people posting in here have sites that solely run from exclusive content, a bit bias, eh?

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08-31-2003, 11:51 AM

good topic interesting, i'll have to think for a moment on what to say
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08-31-2003, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Some of you people WANT Visa to require exclusive content inside sites? Ahaha. You're on crack. Can you even begin to think about the repercussions?

I'd still like to see some numbers on the CBR of exclusive content sites versus non-exclusive content. Most of the people posting in here have sites that solely run from exclusive content, a bit bias, eh?

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08-31-2003, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by GrimShawn
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