Google PR

I'd just like to point out an error on Google's site...

http://www.google.com/webmasters/seo.html

>>No one can guarantee a #1 ranking on Google.
Beware of SEO's that claim to guarantee rankings, or that claim a "special relationship" with Google, or that claim to have a "priority submit" to Google. There is no priority submit for Google. In fact, the only way to submit a site to Google directly is by using the page at http://www.google.com/addurl.html. You can do this yourself at no cost whatsoever. <<


Please someone inform Google that they need to change the heading to "No one EXCEPT for Jason can guarantee a #1 ranking on Google. "

well yeah, this is what it comes down to, what is actually of value to you (traffic) and that's something none of these co's really give a shit about so long as you pay them.

exactly

- noone seems racing to answer my question.
I wonder why? lol

they're all full of BULLSHIT

Please do that.

Boy, I wish I never stated that publicly. There's a reason for everything I do, and at 3:30 AM I'm not at the peak of performance....


http://www.innovationdev.com/search_...timization.php
"The one, absolute fact in this business is that no one can guarantee top positions on any of the popular engines."

Goodnight, It's to bed with me.

Slac, not true at all. Our primary focus is on our client's ROI and getting conversions, and not a billion hits to their sites. Rankings are just part of the package. People come to you and say "make us #1 for this keyword" and we need to explain to them that it can be done, but will take longer, and it's too broad. But I guess we have a solution now, when someone comes to us and says "make us #1 for the keyword 'sex'!" I'll just send them over to Jason, because he GUARANTEES it!

answer my fucking question or you will FOREVER be labed a SCAMMER on GFY

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...&q=counterfeit

Follow the yellow brick road.

I'm going to bed.

Jason, you claimed that you can contractually guarantee your services on google and yet on the url you just gave you have this

"While we can't guarantee you the top rankings on a search engine, we will take the time to describe what is involved and what factors can affect a site's search engine ranking."

So do you guarantee it or not?
WG

Show some famous "guaranteed results" though. The entire time you are trying to back it up, with 5 hour customized contracts, and large budgets, and now you're blaming it on the time. What the fuck? Either prove it, or shut the fuck up!

We do, but when I say it in public SHIT like this happens. (see above posts)

Good night.

you're nothing but a scamming skum bag.

answer my fucking question

what's a matter? admit it - you're a FRAUD

So you won't offer it publicly? What the hell kind of business are you running that you claim to guarantee your services and then take it back and only offer it in secret to your clients? Answer Sleazy's question already, if you're a reputable SEO who's legitimately looking for business, put up the proof he's asking.

WG

I already posted that proof. I'm lost, sorry.

i asked for TRAFFIC DUMBASS - not page rank


lets hear it. come on.


avoiding it only makes us want to post to EVERY fucking board on the planet that you and your company are a FRAUD.

I guess you must be lost since we're all waiting for you to post it. All I've seen are unfounded claims that you'll guarantee placements on google.

WG

So instead you wait until you get some poor sucker, and lay it on them in private so that they think you are a genius?? You're a scammer Jason. You are what Google warns about. You are what gives the SEO industry a bad name.

Scumbag.

Sleazy, I could make up stats out of my ass, but I don't look for traffic, and I also haven't done any optimizing for the adult industry. I optimize for targeted visitors who are looking for our products.

How can I scam?

We don't get paid until the results are up there in black and white. There is no way for me to magically steal your money.

You can't argue with a number one position on Google. It isn't about the traffic coming to MY domains.

I'd like to point out that you have a lot to gain by defaming another SEO firm. Let's see some of YOUR results.

scammer

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Scammer

For your reference.

Session Start (ICQ - 12636661:Jason *InnovationDev): Sun Aug 31 02:16:09 2003
Voodoo: More info please
Voodoo: What are the costs, and what are your guarantees?
Voodoo: Hello?
Jason *InnovationDev: We guarantee the results that we agree upon before hand, contractually. I'd post a contract on GFY, but they are very customized and take about 5 hours to write. We don't use contract templates, except for basic clauses like "We won't uses hidden text and get you banned".
Voodoo: Like what sort of results do you guarantee... just a typical client of yours.
Voodoo: "results" is a very general term.
Voodoo: "guarantee" is a very general term
Jason *InnovationDev: We guarantee, for example, that a certain website will appear at the number one spot on google for a minimum of x consecutive weeks before the work is considered complete.
Voodoo: For what type of keywords?
Voodoo: An example that you have done in the past, and gotten #1 ranking.
Voodoo: Are these PPC services you use?
Voodoo: Or permanent listings.
Jason *InnovationDev: We do NOT use PPC, unless you contact us about SEM. This is SEO, permanent listings.
Voodoo: Like what is an example keyword that you have optimized for and gotten #1 ranking?
Jason *InnovationDev: (Link: http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...&q=counterfeit)http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...&q=counterfeit
Jason *InnovationDev: Our site, number 1, clearly links to us.
Jason *InnovationDev: I am getting really sick of arguing with this jerk on GFY who changed a post, after he'd realized he'd crossed the line.
Voodoo: What about a current client?
Jason *InnovationDev: A current client? Our clients are protected by NDA, which is a reason we're getting rid of our clients page.
Voodoo: Ok, don't tell me a client... but, give me a keyword, and I'll look it up myself.
Voodoo: : )
Voodoo: There are ways to dance around it. : )
Voodoo: I'm not going to tell anyone. I just want to see what sort of results you can give your clients.
Jason *InnovationDev: Would you like to see our NDA also? LOL. We do the same work for our clients as we do for ourselves, otherwise we don't get paid either.
Jason *InnovationDev: We aren't allowed to give out keywords, descriptions, portions of text, company names, or URLs.
Voodoo: Ok, so how can you prove it to me then?
Voodoo: Showing me your own site isn't really proof in my eyes.
Jason *InnovationDev: If you become a client and you'd like to tell everyone that we got you to the top, and that maybe your company isn't as reputable as it seems to be (by being number one on Google), that's fine with us. : )
Voodoo: I'm already #1 on Google.
Jason *InnovationDev: For?
Voodoo: NDA : )
Voodoo: I have been for quite some time too. But, it's strictly using meta tags.
Jason *InnovationDev: Dance?
Voodoo: And text on page.
Voodoo: ??
Voodoo: No, no thanks... I'm not gay.
Jason *InnovationDev: : )
Jason *InnovationDev: Search NDA, see what you get ; )
Voodoo: LOL
Voodoo: No, that's not me.
Voodoo: I'm just not going to disclose what site I have ranked #1.
Voodoo: : )
Voodoo: What methods do you use for placement/optimization?
Voodoo: Do you use cloaking pages?
Jason *InnovationDev: You seem to be quite able.
Voodoo: I am, but, I can always improve.
Voodoo: Gotta increase my PR.
Voodoo: Do you like Google?
Jason *InnovationDev: Dude, PR... Look at countercheck's PR.
Voodoo: PR4?
Jason *InnovationDev: We were beating the secret service last week, before the last update. We will be beating them again in a month ("counterfeit money"). PR Is worthless.
Voodoo: Yeah, mine's PR5.
Jason *InnovationDev: PR4 is not hard to attain. Not hard at all.
Voodoo: I agree.
Voodoo: What's your favorite PR?
Jason *InnovationDev: PR10 ; )
Voodoo: I don't really like that one. It has too many numbers in it.
Voodoo: Hey...
Voodoo: Can you make my site #1 for keyword "sex" ??
Voodoo: If so, how much and how long can you keep it there?
Jason *InnovationDev: Huh?
Voodoo: Ooh... Even better... Can you steal the domain "sex.com" for me?
Voodoo: I could make alot of money with that... right?
Jason *InnovationDev: With what?
Voodoo: That domain name.
Voodoo: Do you like it?
Jason *InnovationDev: Which domain name?
Voodoo: sex.com
Jason *InnovationDev: Countercheck?
Jason *InnovationDev: I'm not selling it.
Voodoo: NO... SEX DOT COM mutha fucka.
Voodoo: Why would I want a domain like CounterCheck?
Voodoo: I don't sell checks.
Voodoo: I sell sex.
Voodoo: So, are you going to do it or what?
Voodoo: How much are we talking here?
Jason *InnovationDev: For "sex"?
Jason *InnovationDev: I must have missed one or 2 of your ICQs because I'm lost. What's your domain name?
Voodoo: No fucker... Steal SEX.COM for me and get me to the #1 ranking on all the search engines for the keyword "sex".
Voodoo: Are you going to do it or what?
Voodoo: How much is it going to cost?
Jason *InnovationDev: Jason *InnovationDev (3:37 AM) :
I must have missed one or 2 of your ICQs because I'm lost. What's your domain name?
Voodoo (3:37 AM) :
Are you going to do it or what?
Voodoo: Are you deaf?
Jason *InnovationDev: Can you email me the information please? I have no clue what you are talking about, ICQ must be FUBAR. Or msn me at [email protected]
Voodoo: Do you like to eat cock?
Voodoo: I bet you do.
Jason *InnovationDev: OK. Fuck off.
Voodoo: No.. I'm not gay.
*** Error while sending IM: This user is currently not logged on
Voodoo: Are you still deaf?
*** Error while sending IM: This user is currently not logged on
Voodoo: LOL
*** Error while sending IM: This user is currently not logged on

well, it's good that you KNOW what you are then.........

Hahahahaha, thanks Voodoo, that was a great laugh
WG

agreed

VooDoo he put you on ignore so he said lol.

I was asking him if he could get me to number one for porn but his ICQ kept fucking up and mysteriously didn't get my question.

isn't that funny - THE same thing happened with him on this thread with MY question.....

must be technical difficulties....lol

Make sure you get him to contractually guarantee that listing

WG

That BS was staged and then edited and you know it. Voodoo seems to be nothing but a troll. Don't feed the trolls and they'll go away.

Session Start (ICQ - 12636661:Jason *InnovationDev): Sun Aug 31 02:16:09 2003
Voodoo: More info please
Voodoo: What are the costs, and what are your guarantees?
Voodoo: Hello?
Jason *InnovationDev: We guarantee the results that we agree upon before hand, contractually. I'd post a contract on GFY, but they are very customized and take about 5 hours to write. We don't use contract templates, except for basic clauses like "We won't uses hidden text and get you banned".
Voodoo: Like what sort of results do you guarantee... just a typical client of yours.
Voodoo: "results" is a very general term.
Voodoo: "guarantee" is a very general term
Jason *InnovationDev: We guarantee, for example, that a certain website will appear at the number one spot on google for a minimum of x consecutive weeks before the work is considered complete.
Voodoo: For what type of keywords?
Voodoo: An example that you have done in the past, and gotten #1 ranking.
Voodoo: Are these PPC services you use?
Voodoo: Or permanent listings.
Jason *InnovationDev: We do NOT use PPC, unless you contact us about SEM. This is SEO, permanent listings.
Voodoo: Like what is an example keyword that you have optimized for and gotten #1 ranking?
Jason *InnovationDev: (Link: http://www.google.com/search?source...8&q=counterfeit)http://www.google.com/search?source...8&q=counterfeit
Jason *InnovationDev: Our site, number 1, clearly links to us.
Jason *InnovationDev: I am getting really sick of arguing with this jerk on GFY who changed a post, after he'd realized he'd crossed the line.
Voodoo: What about a current client?
Jason *InnovationDev: A current client? Our clients are protected by NDA, which is a reason we're getting rid of our clients page.
Voodoo: Ok, don't tell me a client... but, give me a keyword, and I'll look it up myself.
Voodoo: : )
Voodoo: There are ways to dance around it. : )
Voodoo: I'm not going to tell anyone. I just want to see what sort of results you can give your clients.
Jason *InnovationDev: Would you like to see our NDA also? LOL. We do the same work for our clients as we do for ourselves, otherwise we don't get paid either.
Jason *InnovationDev: We aren't allowed to give out keywords, descriptions, portions of text, company names, or URLs.
Voodoo: Ok, so how can you prove it to me then?
Voodoo: Showing me your own site isn't really proof in my eyes.
Jason *InnovationDev: If you become a client and you'd like to tell everyone that we got you to the top, and that maybe your company isn't as reputable as it seems to be (by being number one on Google), that's fine with us. : )
Voodoo: I'm already #1 on Google.
Jason *InnovationDev: For?
Voodoo: NDA : )
Voodoo: I have been for quite some time too. But, it's strictly using meta tags.
Jason *InnovationDev: Dance?
Voodoo: And text on page.
Voodoo: ??
Voodoo: No, no thanks... I'm not gay.
Jason *InnovationDev: : )
Jason *InnovationDev: Search NDA, see what you get ; )
Voodoo: LOL
Voodoo: No, that's not me.
Added: Voodoo: I'm just not going to disclose what site I have ranked #1.
Voodoo: : )
Voodoo: What methods do you use for placement/optimization?
Added: Voodoo: Do you use cloaking pages?
Jason *InnovationDev: You seem to be quite able.
Voodoo: I am, but, I can always improve.
Voodoo: Gotta increase my PR.
Voodoo: Do you like Google?
Jason *InnovationDev: Dude, PR... Look at countercheck's PR.
Voodoo: PR4?
Jason *InnovationDev: We were beating the secret service last week, before the last update. We will be beating them again in a month ("counterfeit money"). PR Is worthless.
Voodoo: Yeah, mine's PR5.
Jason *InnovationDev: PR4 is not hard to attain. Not hard at all.
Voodoo: I agree.
Voodoo: What's your favorite PR?
Jason *InnovationDev: PR10 ; )
Voodoo: I don't really like that one. It has too many numbers in it.
Voodoo: Hey...
Added: Voodoo: Can you make my site #1 for keyword "sex" ??
Added: Voodoo: If so, how much and how long can you keep it there?
Jason *InnovationDev: Huh?
Added: Voodoo: Ooh... Even better... Can you steal the domain "sex.com" for me?
Voodoo: I could make alot of money with that... right?
Jason *InnovationDev: With what?
Voodoo: That domain name.
Voodoo: Do you like it?
Jason *InnovationDev: Which domain name?
Added: Voodoo: sex.com
Jason *InnovationDev: Countercheck?
Jason *InnovationDev: I'm not selling it.
Added: Voodoo: NO... SEX DOT COM mutha fucka.
Voodoo: Why would I want a domain like CounterCheck?
Added: Voodoo: I don't sell checks.
Added: Voodoo: I sell sex.
Voodoo: So, are you going to do it or what?
Voodoo: How much are we talking here?
Jason *InnovationDev: For "sex"?
Jason *InnovationDev: I must have missed one or 2 of your ICQs because I'm lost. What's your domain name?
Added: Voodoo: No fucker... Steal SEX.COM for me and get me to the #1 ranking on all the search engines for the keyword "sex".
Voodoo: Are you going to do it or what?
Voodoo: How much is it going to cost?
Jason *InnovationDev: Jason *InnovationDev (3:37 AM) :
I must have missed one or 2 of your ICQs because I'm lost. What's your domain name?
Added: (obviously, where'd that line break come from?)Voodoo (3:37 AM) :
Are you going to do it or what?
Voodoo: Are you deaf?
Changed: Jason *InnovationDev: Can you email me the information please? I have no clue what you are talking about, ICQ must be FUBAR. Or msn me at [email protected]
Voodoo: Do you like to eat cock?
Voodoo: I bet you do.
Jason *InnovationDev: OK. Fuck off.
This is where I put him on ignore.
Voodoo: No.. I'm not gay.
*** Error while sending IM: This user is currently not logged on
Voodoo: Are you still deaf?
*** Error while sending IM: This user is currently not logged on
Voodoo: LOL
*** Error while sending IM: This user is currently not logged on

Selective hearing... lol what a joke.

I thought you went to bed.
WG

i'm done with this turkey. night folks.


by the way - i was impressed with you tonight WG

Alright. Now remember, we make no guarantees unlike you.

Keyword: Music
Sony Music Online - #8 on Google out of 13,000,000+ as of August 2003

Keyword: Diamond
DeBeers - #3 on Google out of 7,000,000+ as of August 2003

Keyword: Credit Card
American Express - #5 on Google out of 8,000,000+ as of August 2003

These are a few of my mainstream clients. We have LIMITED NDA's with them, we are allowed to disclose them as references and examples for our client list. Also keep in mind Jason that I have been freelance in SEO for about 6-7 years now, but corporate for under 1 year.

So again, show me your REAL and GUARANTEED results, that have competition of some sort so that I can bite my tongue and stop pointing out your scam techniques.

ICQ screws up some times and everyone knows it. If I am unfairly attacking VooDoo because I did not receive some of his messages, I apologize, but I do not think his intentions were good to begin with.

If anyone has any serious questions feel free to MSN me at [email protected].

Thanks Sleazy, equally impressed with how you made this guy bow out in shame

WG

LOL.

Wait, you're just kidding around with me, aren't you? Sorry, I usually take things the wrong way. I must be in a bad mood tonight. 'Cause we all know DeBeers, Amex, Sony, etc do not need your help getting ranked well on Google for those keywords, which are very relative to their business.

I think I'll start taking this board a tad bit less seriously.

As we all will start taking you.

I put my results out there in the open. This isn't over yet. You also have a lot to gain by defaming another SEO firm. Let's see your results, also. Again, no BS, please.

Jason, meet a real SEO, you can learn a lot from him.
WG

Shit, you guys WERE fucking with me? Sorry Voodoo. I'll shut my pie hole now.

In mainstream business, where I usually hide, people are a lot more serious and uptight.

Ouch, I'm in pain.

I don't need to because I'm not seeking your respect or additional business. If you want to talk about my skills talk to key players in this business like John Bennett or Mike Price, I'm sure they'll recommend my services should I ever need to seek additional business. Until such a time presents itself, I don't need to publicly reveal anything of mine, I don't need wanna be SEO's copying my stuff.

WG

Jason,

I've also written articles on the art of cloaking (which I used for Adult because it was too easy not to), one that was praised by many SEO industry experts. I don't mind if you don't believe my rankings, or those firms I've worked with, because this thread is about you, and making guarantees about crap you could NEVER get to. Woo 1 in 360,000 for counterfeit, that's pretty impressive I tell ya... I've come out here publically and stated some of my client's rankings, that are pretty damn hard to get, sure it took some months/years to get, but I got them, and without false guarantees. I have yet to see one of your "clients" results. If you don't believe me, call them up and ask who did their search engine marketing work.

So again Gayson.. SHOW ME REAL RESULTS.

I wasn't fucking with you. I posted my actual ICQ log. If you weren't getting my messages, then I don't see how you can guarantee anything to your clients, especially if you only get 20% of your ICQs.

Example:

Yes, I'd like to be ranked #1 for "Giant Cocks" on Google.

- Reply - Ok, sir, so you want to be ranked #1 on Google.

Yeah, for "Giant Cocks". Can you do that for me?

- Reply - I sure can. What keyword would you like to be ranked under?

"Giant Cocks" Please.

- Reply - You got it. (accpets payment)
- Does work to get client ranked for "Please."

Frankly, I must have had something wrong with me, because I don't know why I was defending myself either. I guess I just need to lighten up.

In the mean time:

Sorry, My ICQ probably is actually messed up. I'll look into it. Most of my clients are those which have been gotten IRL.

Having a hard time falling asleep?

So Jason can you get me to number #1 or atleast the first page for the keyword "porn" ?

I'm just going to get flamed if I say YES, so I'll say no. But it does seem attainable for some great Google God such as WiredGuy or NiteChatDotTV.

Any questions, feel free to email me at [email protected], as I am now going to bed, and my ICQ seems to be FUBAR and I cannot receive messages.

Don't put words in my mouth.
WG