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  • -=HOAX=-
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    • Dec 2001
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    #1

    Private Schools, Montessori schools vs. Public schools

    My daughter is approaching school age. She's 2, so its time to start saving.

    I'm curious if any of you out there have kids who go to non denominational private schools, ie: Montessori, or similar...not catholic school.

    I'm seeking an alternative to the ever corroding public school curriculum. I think it failed me, and I don't want egotistical hacks fucking up my baby's mental.

    Got any experiences, advice, suggestions?
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  • XxXotic
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    my ex worked at a montessori school, i think when i have kids i'll send them to one of those as well. allows the children to learn at their own pace to a degree, and seems to have a better overall outcome on their education.

    A lot of it depends on where you live too. the public school system in louisiana sucks monkey ass, i wouldn't ever send my child to a public school here, but the Public schools back where I used to live were great schools
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    • DrGuile
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      #3
      Like he said. Public school where I grew up were fine for the most part.

      And after HS, people who went to public school were more mature and could take better care of themselves. They usually fared better in higher learning than people from private schools who basically just went nuts from the sudden lack of control and supervision
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      • steffie
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        #4
        All my kids went to a private school until 1st grade. After that my oldest went to boarding school. My opinion (for what its worth)

        I personally like Montessori Schools, they are not religion based and all my kids did fine with them (We didn't have Montessori schools in our area, but the private ones we had were very similar)

        By the time they went to school they were well adjusted and loved school

        So there

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        • -=HOAX=-
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          #5
          Originally posted by DrGuile
          Like he said. Public school where I grew up were fine for the most part.

          And after HS, people who went to public school were more mature and could take better care of themselves. They usually fared better in higher learning than people from private schools who basically just went nuts from the sudden lack of control and supervision

          Yeah I hear you, I think the more formative years would be k - 6/8 anyway...I think after such time I'd give her more freedom to choose her schooling. I think HighSchool is mostly what you put into it anyway and I don't want to raise a sheltered nerd...ok...maybe I do.

          But in the long run I think High School is a valid experience, more socially and mentally than educationally. I'd just make sure to be in an area with good public high schools when that age approached.

          I've heard good things about montessori in general...I hear it focuses more on problem solving as opposed to factual knowledge. Anyone been to one or have kids in one?
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          • Detour-Diva
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            #6
            A friend of mine has a daughter that goes to The Waldorf School. She loves it!

            Here is a link to the school she goes to...I know they have them all over the world though.

            Good luck to ya!

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            • NetRodent
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              #7
              I went to a small private non-religious school from 1st grade through 7th. It was quite small with about 50 kids and 5-6 teachers. Because of the small size it was very easy to for each kid to work at his own pace and it was easy to spend one-on-one time with the teachers when you needed it.

              Overall it was a very good experience. I certainly hope I can find a school like that when/if I have children.
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              • Raven
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                #8
                My son went to a modified American Montessori....check them out carefully, they are all different....

                For the most part, I like them...the class sizes are smaller...and there is far more individualised attention..which can be a double edged sword...the children do get used to all this attention and help...so, sometimes, they don't become as independent as perhaps they should..in their thinking...

                He also went to private school until fifth grade....again, the class sizes were small...what got me was my expectation...that since I put him in private school and spent thousands of dollars every year....it meant the teachers were of higher caliber...which simply isn't so.....he had a few teachers....I wondered how they ever got through school...then there was the boy hating teacher...and the girl hating teacher...

                which taught me...that private schools have their advantages...but, it's incumbent upon every child to learn how to make his/her way through life and learn to deal with difficult personalities......

                otherwise, they could grow up without the necessary coping mechanisms we need to get along with anyone and everyone..
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                • Houdini
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                  #9
                  I went to montessori, then private school from k-8, then attended a public high school. When I entered high school, I tested into all the AP classes they offered. Everyone was shocked that this long haired metaler was in calculus with all the nerds. There's definitely an advantage going to a private school in your formative years, but it was cool going to a public high school for the social aspect.

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                  • -=HOAX=-
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Raven
                    My son went to a modified American Montessori....check them out carefully, they are all different....

                    For the most part, I like them...the class sizes are smaller...and there is far more individualised attention..which can be a double edged sword...the children do get used to all this attention and help...so, sometimes, they don't become as independent as perhaps they should..in their thinking...

                    He also went to private school until fifth grade....again, the class sizes were small...what got me was my expectation...that since I put him in private school and spent thousands of dollars every year....it meant the teachers were of higher caliber...which simply isn't so.....he had a few teachers....I wondered how they ever got through school...then there was the boy hating teacher...and the girl hating teacher...

                    which taught me...that private schools have their advantages...but, it's incumbent upon every child to learn how to make his/her way through life and learn to deal with difficult personalities......

                    otherwise, they could grow up without the necessary coping mechanisms we need to get along with anyone and everyone..

                    Good points made...thanks!
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                    • XxXotic
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by -=HOAX=-



                      Yeah I hear you, I think the more formative years would be k - 6/8 anyway...I think after such time I'd give her more freedom to choose her schooling. I think HighSchool is mostly what you put into it anyway and I don't want to raise a sheltered nerd...ok...maybe I do.

                      But in the long run I think High School is a valid experience, more socially and mentally than educationally. I'd just make sure to be in an area with good public high schools when that age approached.

                      I've heard good things about montessori in general...I hear it focuses more on problem solving as opposed to factual knowledge. Anyone been to one or have kids in one?
                      Goals of The Montessori Education

                      1) To stimulate the growth of the total child.

                      2) To provide a warm and accepting enviroment in which each child feels secure, respected,
                      and loved.

                      3) To provide an enriched, stimulating environment with safe limits within which the child is
                      an active explorer, to encourage the child to become self-directed.

                      4) To provide a frame work of discipline through which a child can develop self-discipline
                      and personal strength.

                      5) To develop creativity and a positive self-image.

                      6) To provide a cross-cultural environment in which the foundations of global peace may
                      be laid.

                      The focus of this system is the development of materials, educational techniques, and observations which support the natural development of children. The teacher in a Montessori classroom serves less as an "instructor" and more as a guide and facilitator. Children are encouraged to "learn how to learn," thus gaining independence and self-confidence. Because the method is based upon developmentally appropriate activities, the child often learns through the process of education - by doing.

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                      • Carrie
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                        #12
                        Hoax, check out the different schools in your area, they've probably got websites with their individual mission statements and scholastic approach. Then take the ones that you like and visit them in person.

                        I have heard wonderful things about Montessori schools, but the ones in *my* area have a very hands-off approach. Most Montessori schools do, but this one seems to have taken it to an extreme and seems to be more of a daycare than a school.

                        Even though a school may prescribe to a certain standard or method of learning, each school is inherently different in its approach and execution of those methods. So you have to check them out individually.

                        The public schools I went to were great, too. However that was many years ago before things like "zero tolerance" (aka we're too lazy to judge each case on an individual basis and/or treat every child as an individual), ebonics as a second language, and feel-good math came around.
                        Public schools are *not* what they used to be.

                        And please folks, don't start in with the stereotypes of privately-schooled or homeschooled children not getting enough socialization. It's simply not true. Sitting in a cement room all day long with 20 other kids is not socialization - being out in the world interacting with dozens of different people in real-world situations is. After all, we *are* supposed to be teaching them how to live in the real world, not in a cement box, correct?

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                        • MetaMan
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                          #13
                          private schools are for jewish kids,

                          ARE YOU JEWISH!?

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                          • scoreman
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                            #14
                            What is the cost of Montessori schools?

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                            • XxXotic
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                              #15
                              varies by school, but theyre usually a tad more expensive then private schools
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                              • Houdini
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by scoreman
                                What is the cost of Montessori schools?
                                I went in the late 70's and my parents told me it was around $5,000 a year.

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                                • scoreman
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                                  #17
                                  Thanks , I googled it. Just fyi for the readers of this thread, here is the cost for the school nearest me:
                                  Fall Term 2003 Tuition Information (September 2nd - June 11th 2004)

                                  Pre-Kindergarten
                                  Registration Fee- $95.00
                                  Half Day Program ( *9am - 12:30pm )
                                  Monthly Rate- $400.00
                                  Full Fall Term- $3,420.00

                                  Full Day Program ( *9am - 3pm )
                                  Monthly Rate- $440.00
                                  Full Fall Term- $3,762.00

                                  Extended Day Program (*9am - 6pm )
                                  Monthly Rate- $480.00
                                  Full Fall Term- $4,104.00


                                  Kindergarten through Fifth Grade
                                  Registration Fee- $195.00

                                  Full Day Program ( *9am - 3pm )
                                  Monthly Rate- $600.00
                                  Full Fall Term- $5,130.00

                                  Extended Day Program ( *9am - 6pm )
                                  Monthly Rate- $620.00
                                  Full Fall Term- $5,301.00

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                                  • Carrie
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                                    #18
                                    Here's the tuition page for the Montessori school here in Norfolk:
                                    http://www.ghentmontessorischool.com...n/tuition.html
                                    It ranges from $4295 - $8180.00 depending on the age of your child and whether they stay half-day or full-day.

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                                    • -=HOAX=-
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by MetaMan
                                      private schools are for jewish kids,

                                      ARE YOU JEWISH!?
                                      I'm working on becoming an honorary Jew, does that count?
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                                      • -=HOAX=-
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by scoreman
                                        Thanks , I googled it. Just fyi for the readers of this thread, here is the cost for the school nearest me:
                                        Fall Term 2003 Tuition Information (September 2nd - June 11th 2004)

                                        Pre-Kindergarten
                                        Registration Fee- $95.00
                                        Half Day Program ( *9am - 12:30pm )
                                        Monthly Rate- $400.00
                                        Full Fall Term- $3,420.00

                                        Full Day Program ( *9am - 3pm )
                                        Monthly Rate- $440.00
                                        Full Fall Term- $3,762.00

                                        Extended Day Program (*9am - 6pm )
                                        Monthly Rate- $480.00
                                        Full Fall Term- $4,104.00


                                        Kindergarten through Fifth Grade
                                        Registration Fee- $195.00

                                        Full Day Program ( *9am - 3pm )
                                        Monthly Rate- $600.00
                                        Full Fall Term- $5,130.00

                                        Extended Day Program ( *9am - 6pm )
                                        Monthly Rate- $620.00
                                        Full Fall Term- $5,301.00
                                        Yep, looks like Chloe is gonna be standing at local intersections with a cardboard sign saying, "Help my Day pay for my education."
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                                        • Carrie
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by -=HOAX=-


                                          I'm working on becoming an honorary Jew, does that count?
                                          What are the qualifications for that? Being able to squeeze a penny so hard it screams?

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                                          • Raven
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                                            #22
                                            Carrie..that's why I suggested he check out the Montessori schools....that hands off attitude is okay...to a point...I think that's the reason I chose an American modified program...they take the tenets of Maria Montessori and modify them into less of an extreme....

                                            As I recall, when my son went to school...the cost was around 4000 dollars...private school was around 7000.
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                                            • XxXotic
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Carrie

                                              What are the qualifications for that? Being able to squeeze a penny so hard it screams?
                                              you car has to be able to stop on a dime... and pick it up too
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                                              • scoreman
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by -=HOAX=-


                                                Yep, looks like Chloe is gonna be standing at local intersections with a cardboard sign saying, "Help my Day pay for my education."
                                                LOL
                                                Actually it wouldnt be her. She is off doing her own gig now. Maybe Linsey.....

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                                                • Carrie
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by XxXotic
                                                  you car has to be able to stop on a dime... and pick it up too
                                                  LMAO
                                                  Damn, that *would* be impressive!

                                                  Raven - *nodding like crazy*
                                                  It's hard to find a non-denominational school here too (good ol' Virginny doncha know), I've been pouring over the available ones for literally two years.
                                                  My son starts private kindergarten on the 2nd and then we're hoping to get him into one of two very good collegiate schools for first grade. It's amazing what you have to go through to get into them - we'll be sending in our applications sometime next month. It's just like applying for college; gotta have references from teachers, report cards, all kinds of things.

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                                                  • -=HOAX=-
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by scoreman


                                                    LOL
                                                    Actually it wouldnt be her. She is off doing her own gig now. Maybe Linsey.....

                                                    Actually Chloe is my daughters name.
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                                                    • Carrie
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                                                      #27
                                                      Oh and get this - most of the non-denominational schools here *still* require that you have your pastor or priest sign a statement saying that you regularly attend church with your children. They *require* that the children attend a church with the parents or grandparents, even though they're non-denominational schools.

                                                      I actually went to one of these schools for an interview and flat-out told the lady "Look, I share your values and ideals, but I simply cannot fulfill the church requirement. I'm Wiccan."
                                                      Her face turned ghostly white and you could almost see the imagery of bloody sacrificial rituals going through her head.
                                                      Ugh.

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                                                      • Sharky
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                                                        #28
                                                        We have been researching schools in our area as well(may daughter just turned 3). We interviewed 3 different Montessori schools and found them to be quite a bit less challenging than the other schools we interviewed. I imagine it depends on your school and teachers, however I want my daughter to be pushed to try and learn new things.

                                                        We have visited 4 different private schools in the area as well. One Catholic, 1 Christian and 2 non-religious based schools. The one we have chosen is a non-religious based school and has one of the best reputations for academic excellence. It is also the most expensive...

                                                        Prices are:

                                                        2002 - 2003 Tuition
                                                        Pre-Kindergarten to Grade 5 - $10,210
                                                        Grade 6 to Grade 8 - $12,020
                                                        Grade 9 to Grade 12 - $13,310

                                                        To me, The value of my daughters proper education by far outweighs any costs I will pay. I want the best for her. Her first year of Pre-Kindergarten will cost more than some 4 year college degrees.

                                                        I grew up in a Military family and attended public schools all my life. I loved it! I thought I learned well, I graduated at the top of my class -- not bad. However those were DOD (Department of Defense) schools which have a reputation for being pretty good. I also didn't have to worry about kids bringing guns and knives to school. The most I had to worry about was getting in a fist fight. Schools today are different. While I don't think a private school will be able to stop some psycho kid from going on a shooting spree, I think there is less likelyhood of it happening!
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                                                        • Pleasurepays
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                                                          #29
                                                          i went to a private religious school in 2nd and 3rd grade and in those two years excelled to 6th grade level work. i then went to public school and became a fuck off until i again went to a private school where i then again began to excell and achieve my full potential.

                                                          public school in the USA is a horrible joke in my opinion. it caters to the lowest common denominator by design... and certainly does not encourage excellence and achievement.

                                                          i learned an important lesson at boarding school... that was that i was profoundly motivated by those around me. it was a private ski academy. everyone gave 110% all the time and several people there were on the US National Team and two of my good friends have won Olympic medals in downhill skiing. I was never more motivated in my life than i was when i was surrounded by people who devoted their very existence to being the best they could be. I achieved more than i ever thought i could. i shocked everyone who knew me. it was an experience that changed my life.

                                                          no child will ever get that at public school.

                                                          if i wanted my child to be a billionaire, i would not send him to a hippy commune to learn about business. if i want my child to get the best education and be well prepared for higher education (and life), i would not surround him with a bunch of half-retarded, half stoned, non-achieving buffoons who only care about who has the nicest wheels on their Honda Civic, guided by useless teachers who would really rather be somewhere else, doing anything else - half of whome seem to be fucking the students nowadays.

                                                          public schools suck cock.

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                                                          • TheSaint
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                                                            #30
                                                            After sending my kids to private schools through 6th grade (a mixture of Catholic and various private schools including an incredibly expensive one in Delaware), we became very unhappy with them.

                                                            The Catholic schools obviously sucked ass, even back then. The kids spent half the time studying about religion. Fortunately they all became athiests like me.

                                                            The private school was nice but very pricey and 100% white.

                                                            Finally we decided to try something different. We researched the state and found the best school district, and then moved, just to be in it.

                                                            That was 3 years agao and the kids have done great there, all "A",s have more friends, sports, etc.

                                                            Public can be great.
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                                                            • KRL
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                                                              #31
                                                              I went to private school until 6th grade and then to public. Both have their pluses and minuses.

                                                              My son now goes to a private school, but I did send him to public for a couple years since in kindergarten and first grade its just play time mostly anyway.
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                                                              • Carrie
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                public school in the USA is a horrible joke in my opinion. it caters to the lowest common denominator by design... and certainly does not encourage excellence and achievement.
                                                                Not anymore. It used to.
                                                                Now they give you an A simply for "trying", they pass you when you should be failed and held over simply because they've got too many kids coming in and no room for you to stay behind, they take normal active children and demand they be put on Ritalin or be expelled, they mis-diagnose bored and unchallenged children as having ADD and put them in 'special ed' classes, they expel 6-yr olds for 'sexual harrassment' because they kissed a girl on the playground, they expel 8-yr olds for drawing pictures of hunting rifles in art class due to a "zero tolerance policy on weapons"...

                                                                It's sad, really.

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                                                                • Raven
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by TheSaint
                                                                  After sending my kids to private schools through 6th grade (a mixture of Catholic and various private schools including an incredibly expensive one in Delaware), we became very unhappy with them.

                                                                  The Catholic schools obviously sucked ass, even back then. The kids spent half the time studying about religion. Fortunately they all became athiests like me.

                                                                  The private school was nice but very pricey and 100% white.

                                                                  Finally we decided to try something different. We researched the state and found the best school district, and then moved, just to be in it.

                                                                  That was 3 years agao and the kids have done great there, all "A",s have more friends, sports, etc.

                                                                  Public can be great.
                                                                  I think you've hit the nail right on the head.....and, that's part of what I was saying....

                                                                  Just because it's private doesn't mean it's going to be beneficial for your child....each kid has his or her own needs and personalities.....some do better when they are pushed and others do better in an environment that is more laid back..it really depends on the kid...

                                                                  I did well in public school..other than being skipped a few grades..which is a whole different issue and one I would recommend..it was hell on wheels going to college at age 16...

                                                                  There are some great public schools out there....much depends on what one is willing to do ...like you did, which is move...I would do that, too..especially now, knowing what I know about private schools..

                                                                  There are no guarantees, regardless of the price or the location...keeping one's eyes open and being involved in your kid's education will tell you where to send them.
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                                                                  • rooster
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    I went to a private catholic school. Great education, teachers that cared and pushed you. No guns, fights. Stupid kids were held back not pushed thru. The dress code was lax. Jeans and tshirt was fine.


                                                                    If I had a kid id send them to a non religious private, but that is also the most expensive.
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                                                                    • MarkTiarra
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Detour-Diva
                                                                      A friend of mine has a daughter that goes to The Waldorf School. She loves it!

                                                                      Here is a link to the school she goes to...I know they have them all over the world though.

                                                                      Good luck to ya!

                                                                      http://www.highlandhall.org/index_ctl.php
                                                                      I was going to mention this one but you beat me to it. =] Great schools.

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                                                                      • JFK
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by Carrie
                                                                        Oh and get this - most of the non-denominational schools here *still* require that you have your pastor or priest sign a statement saying that you regularly attend church with your children. They *require* that the children attend a church with the parents or grandparents, even though they're non-denominational schools.

                                                                        I actually went to one of these schools for an interview and flat-out told the lady "Look, I share your values and ideals, but I simply cannot fulfill the church requirement. I'm Wiccan."
                                                                        Her face turned ghostly white and you could almost see the imagery of bloody sacrificial rituals going through her head.
                                                                        Ugh.
                                                                        We are lucky they didnt require that here. All my kids have, and are going to Catholic Schools. We are non Practising, and I let the kids decide wether they want to go to Church or Not. The Quality of education and the discipline is superior here to the public system. But Then in the final analisys its what you have taught ,and how you raised your kids. The school can not do all that for you .

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                                                                        • -=HOAX=-
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Thanks for all the info! Now I have twice as much to think about...
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Cali is a great state for home schooling. keep that in mind.
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