Originally posted by Sausage I do 1:45 with flashcash with average SE traffic. I honestly though they were one of the few who didn't shave. got any proof there ?
shaving is becoming an art,
if you think they dont you are ignorant
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Originally posted by Sausage I do 1:45 with flashcash with average SE traffic. I honestly though they were one of the few who didn't shave. got any proof there ?
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shaving is becoming an art,
if you think they dont you are ignorant
Yeah i worked on the shaving script they used for one of the big sponsors, and it was a work of art. I know 99% of per signup sponsors shave pretty hard, but I from what i knew of the flashcash guys, I never really thought they did. they are always so up front about the fact they dont, and even signed up to be tested by that audit guy.
Because i did it before and (almost) everybody where against me. Big sponsors here, big names.. they all ask for proves that they shave, but never make us realy belive they don't..
THat is a lost fight from the start... And the loosers are us...
Yeah i worked on the shaving script they used for one of the big sponsors, and it was a work of art. I know 99% of per signup sponsors shave pretty hard, but I from what i knew of the flashcash guys, I never really thought they did. they are always so up front about the fact they dont, and even signed up to be tested by that audit guy.
That guy that was going to audit them was an employee of Flashcash.
I'm not saying they shave or not, just that being audited by someone who works for you is meaningless.
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I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?
We do not shave, and having sent a lot of traffic to FlashCash, GigaCash and PlatinumBucks, I have no reason to believe that they shave, either.
It seems to me that for a lot of webmasters, if they send traffic to a sponsor and don't get the kind of conversion ratios they believe that they should, then that constitutes "proof" of shaving. Ask 100 webmasters on the same program what sort of conversion ratios they experience with a given sponsor, and you will likely get 100 different answers; conversion ratios are a complicated beast, and have every bit as much to do with the type of traffic being sent as the sites it is being sent to. Just because your conversions are poor, or fluctuate within a wide range does not mean that there is shaving going on.
Originally posted by Quentin We do not shave, and having sent a lot of traffic to FlashCash, GigaCash and PlatinumBucks, I have no reason to believe that they shave, either.
It seems to me that for a lot of webmasters, if they send traffic to a sponsor and don't get the kind of conversion ratios they believe that they should, then that constitutes "proof" of shaving. Ask 100 webmasters on the same program what sort of conversion ratios they experience with a given sponsor, and you will likely get 100 different answers; conversion ratios are a complicated beast, and have every bit as much to do with the type of traffic being sent as the sites it is being sent to. Just because your conversions are poor, or fluctuate within a wide range does not mean that there is shaving going on.
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a-fucking-men...couldn't have said it better myself!
It gets tiring day after day to see these same type of posts...people have a bad day, they get frustrated, and make baseless, pointless accusations - which, even if they WERE true, cant be proved. Its just an exercise in futility, really
Originally posted by FATPad That guy that was going to audit them was an employee of Flashcash.
I'm not saying they shave or not, just that being audited by someone who works for you is meaningless.
Whoa there tiger...first of all the "guy" that was going to audit them is a company...we're called the PornPosse on the adult side and I-Bridge International on the mainstream side. We do many things...we process over 100,000 ACH checks per month for some of the largest processors in the business, we run TheAdult COOP (www.theadultcoop.com) which is a collective purchasing engine for webmasters that is launching as a partnership with YNOT as we speak, and we handle back-office tasks for Sponsor programs. One of OUR employee/owners handles Flashcash's webmaster support as a consultant. His name is Halcyon....
We began with Flashcash because we knew them and they've always had a reputation of honesty...and we asked them to prove it. We have integrated with PornKings and currently audit them. SoCal Coeds is probably next...so big props to Andreas...and we're in dicussions with 5-10 more programs who we hope to have rolled out by the IG.
When we get them to plug in our API to their back-end...anyone who joins our system (it's free) is virtually guaranteed not to get shaved. Does that mean they don't shave elsewhere? No.....but they don't shave us, nor anyone who is in our system. Don't believe us? We have built a re-director that you can send a small stream of traffic through and we'll audit that...so your traffic, your audit, your date/time....
Random auditing is the only way to bring legitimacy to this space...
Now, this is the second thread/time you've bashed the Posse without so much as chatting with us....so here you go:
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