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  • Mutt
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Sep 2002
    • 34431

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    Confirmed - Blackout Caused By Canadians

    yep, it's been confirmed, the Great Blackout of 2003 is Canada's fault. It all started in the great province of Ohio. I think that's between Ontario and Manitoba. Probably another one of them French speaking provinces they got up there eh?




    By H. JOSEF HEBERT, Associated Press Writer

    WASHINGTON - A failure to contain problems with three transmission lines in northern Ohio just south of Cleveland was the likely trigger of the nation's biggest power blackout, a leading investigator said Saturday.

    Experts are working to understand why the local line disruptions, some of which occurred an hour before the blackout reached its peak, were not isolated, allowing a cascade of power system shutdowns stretching from Michigan to New York City and into Canada.

    "We are fairly certain at this time that the disturbance started in Ohio," Michehl Gent, head of the North American Electric Reliability Council, said in a statement. "We are now trying to determine why the situation was not brought under control after three transmission lines went out of service."

    Gent said the transmission system was designed to isolate such problems and suggested that human error might have been involved in not containing the situation.

    "The system has been designed and rules have been created to prevent this escalation and cascading. It should have stopped," said Gent in a telephone conference call.

    Later, in a statement suggesting human failings for the events last Thursday, Gent said in the future "system operators ... will be extremely vigilant" when local transmission problems arise.

    Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham (news - web sites), who is co-chair of a U.S.-Canadian task force that will look into the cause of the blackout, said it's still too early to pinpoint a cause.

    "We're not going to prejudge where the problem is," Abraham told reporters in Albany, N.Y., on Saturday where he met with the governors of New York and New Jersey to discuss the blackout. "We're also not going to prematurely leap to conclusions."

    Abraham said the task force is putting together investigative teams that will include experts from the government's research laboratories as well as private resources, to find out what caused the power grid breakdown and recommend actions to prevent a repeat.

    Gent did not identify specifically the three power line failures that have become the focus of the NERC investigation. But other council officials said they were among five reported transmission failures in the Cleveland area during a period of just over leading up to the blackout peak Thursday afternoon.

    According to NERC, the first report came in at 3:06 p.m. EDT on Thursday and involved a 345-volt line that had "tripped" ? or gone off line. That was followed by reports on other lines failing at 3:32 p.m., 3:41 p.m., 3:46 p.m. and 4:06 p.m.

    Two minutes later, according to the NERC summary, "power swings (were) noted in Canada and the U.S." and three minutes after that power disruptions hit across eight states.

    The transmission system in northern Ohio is operated by FirstEnergy Corp., based in Akron, Ohio. The company has declined to comment on the investigation. "Those reviews have not even come close to being completed and we're not going to speculate," FirstEnergy spokeswoman Kristen Baird said Saturday before Gent's announcement.

    "It appears the train left the tracks in Ohio but we don't know who's responsible," said Alan Schriber, chairman of the Public Utilities Commission (news - web sites) of Ohio.

    Gent said he is confident the specific reason for the failures ? and who is responsible ? will be learned, but that it could take many weeks.

    Among the things yet to be determined is the relationship between lines tripping in Ohio and the unusual power swings that were observed in lines leaving Michigan and going into Canada and then back again, according to investigators.

    There are more than 10,000 pages of data, including automatically generated logs on power flows over transmission lines, that need to be closely examined, said Gent. Complicating the matter, he said, is that at the time of the power breakdown "events were coming in so fast and furious that (some reports) ... weren't even being logged in a timely way."

    Nonetheless, Gent said he is convinced that no data was lost and whatever was not recorded will be recovered.

    "We will get to the bottom of this," he said.
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  • Spunky
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    • Jun 2002
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    #2
    Yup and the finger pointing continues

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    • RSCLuke
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      • Nov 2002
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      #3
      "province of Ohio" - Yep, it's offical - you are a mutt
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      • muchmoreporn
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        • Mar 2002
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        #4
        last time i was school ohio wasnt in canada. keep pointing.
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        • Pipecrew
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          • Feb 2002
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          #5
          ahahaha....... Maybee he should use the [Sarcasm] Tags next time.

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          • Webby
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            • Oct 2002
            • 14956

            #6
            Mutt:

            It all started in the great province of Ohio. I think that's between Ontario and Manitoba.
            Since when did Ohio start copying the "provinces" of Canada?? I always thought they preferred "states" in the US.

            And.. get a map out
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            • lEricPl
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              #7

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              • dirtyone
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                #8
                Originally posted by Pipecrew
                ahahaha....... Maybee he should use the [Sarcasm] Tags next time.
                Wouldn't help... Some get it some don't

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                • Jay_StandAhead
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by dirtyone


                  Wouldn't help... Some get it some don't

                  Canadians all got it!

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                  • RSCLuke
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                    #10
                    Mutt,
                    see the OH between the IN (Illinois) and the PA (Pensylvania) - That's Ohio, and it's in US.
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                    • Jay_StandAhead
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                      • Jul 2002
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by RSCLuke
                      Mutt,
                      see the OH between the IN (Illinois) and the PA (Pensylvania) - That's Ohio, and it's in US.


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                      • SpaceAce
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                        • Jul 2002
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                        #12
                        Are people actually lame enough to be pointing fingers about this? Who cares if it started here in Cleveland or somewhere else?

                        Here's a quick fact for you: It doesn't matter where the blackout started because in order for it to spread the way it did, everyone's backup and emergency systems had to fail. The basic truth is that nobody was prepared for this. I hope this incident serves as a wakeup call for the people who administer the utilities.

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                        • SpaceAce
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                          • Jul 2002
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                          #13
                          Next time you should have a disclaimer: "This post is riddled with sarcasm. I know Ohio is in the USA."

                          SpaceAce

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                          • freeadultcontent
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                            • Oct 2002
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by SpaceAce
                            Are people actually lame enough to be pointing fingers about this? Who cares if it started here in Cleveland or somewhere else?

                            Here's a quick fact for you: It doesn't matter where the blackout started because in order for it to spread the way it did, everyone's backup and emergency systems had to fail. The basic truth is that nobody was prepared for this. I hope this incident serves as a wakeup call for the people who administer the utilities.

                            SpaceAce
                            They have been told time and again, experts in front of congress that this will be happening very soon, and often. All falls on deaf ears.

                            Personally if the Federal Government lifts a damn finger and gives even a penny of Federal funding to any of the effected states, or places a cap on the maximum a company may charge those states for extra power, there will be a friggen riot in California if not a fucking civil war. Let those states take it up the ass, and bail themselves out.

                            BTW sure blame Canada, Bush has problems with their new drug reform laws and hates them. This is just an attempt to get the people hostile about it.

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                            • PornHero
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                              #15
                              I can't decide what's funnier, his original sarcasm or the fact that some people actually thought he was serious
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                              • freeadultcontent
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by PornHero
                                I can't decide what's funnier, his original sarcasm or the fact that some people actually thought he was serious
                                Im just in a venting mood, give me an excuse even a sarcastic one.

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                                • Eyecandy
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                                  #17
                                  Damn Mutt...
                                  Even I know that - And I'm from Europe...

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                                  • Nutella
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                                    #18
                                    i think Mutt was just joking!

                                    damn

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                                    • jact
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                                      #19
                                      I still say the world was invaded by mutant chipmonks and we're all doomed to an existance filled with slavery to the furry little critters.
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                                      • evildick

                                        #20
                                        The reactions in this thread are almost as bad as the reactions I received when I suggested Easton was probably just carrying around sugar packets to help manage his diabetes.

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                                        • Jay_StandAhead
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Eyecandy
                                          Damn Mutt...
                                          Even I know that - And I'm from Europe...

                                          Even after reading the thread you didn't get it? .......................

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                                          • Webby
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                                            #22
                                            PornHero:

                                            I can't decide what's funnier, his original sarcasm or the fact that some people actually thought he was serious
                                            Hell.. with the ignorance on many GFY posts who the hell knows if Mutt has a clue or his humor is showing thru??!!

                                            But.. inclined to agree with ya!
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                                            • Ironhorse
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                                              #23
                                              No comment
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                                              • Jay_StandAhead
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Ironhorse
                                                No comment
                                                duh

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                                                • NoCarrier
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Nutella
                                                  i think Mutt was just joking!

                                                  damn
                                                  I think he was actually serious, but don't expect him to confess it. His soul is now lost anyway after this huge public humiliation.

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                                                  • IMP^or^SNiTL.e
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                                                    #26
                                                    i thought he was serious

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                                                    • the indigo
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                                                      brainless americans are common
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                                                      • Karlitos
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                                                        #28
                                                        Here in Quebec, we didn't have problem. Viva el Hydro Quebec!
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                                                        • SYNIKAL
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                                                          #29
                                                          lol @ this whole thread
                                                          ...........

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                                                          • Mutt
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                                                            • Sep 2002
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                                                            #30
                                                            I know how Dennis Miller feels looking out at the audience and seeing half the seats filled with dopes laughing but not having a half a clue why.
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                                                            • NoCarrier
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Mutt
                                                              I know how Dennis Miller feels looking out at the audience and seeing half the seats filled with dopes laughing but not having a half a clue why.
                                                              That's because you are one of the dopes right?

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                                                              • directfiesta
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                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                • 30176

                                                                #32
                                                                I knew it was our fault....

                                                                And I always thought that Ohio should separate from Canada... they have no oil!
                                                                I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                                But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                                • doober
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by PornHero
                                                                  I can't decide what's funnier, his original sarcasm or the fact that some people actually thought he was serious
                                                                  They are both hysterical!

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                                                                  • chodadog
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                                                                    • Apr 2002
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    I don't know what's funnier. The initial post, or the morons that are pointing out mutt's "error."
                                                                    26 + 6 = 1

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                                                                    • SLY1
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      A thread like this makes GFY one of the funniest place on the web...GFY Rocks! And so do Canadians
                                                                      All the Canuks(sp?) have met are cool as hell
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                                                                      • chodadog
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Wow, it looks like i copied that guy's post almost exactly. Great minds..
                                                                        26 + 6 = 1

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                                                                        • Olivier
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by SLY1
                                                                          A thread like this makes GFY one of the funniest place on the web...GFY Rocks! And so do Canadians
                                                                          All the Canuks(sp?) have met are cool as hell

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                                                                          • Obie Trice
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                                                                            • Aug 2003
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by Mutt
                                                                            yep, it's been confirmed, the Great Blackout of 2003 is Canada's fault. It all started in the great province of Ohio. I think that's between Ontario and Manitoba. Probably another one of them French speaking provinces they got up there eh?




                                                                            By H. JOSEF HEBERT, Associated Press Writer

                                                                            WASHINGTON - A failure to contain problems with three transmission lines in northern Ohio just south of Cleveland was the likely trigger of the nation's biggest power blackout, a leading investigator said Saturday.

                                                                            Experts are working to understand why the local line disruptions, some of which occurred an hour before the blackout reached its peak, were not isolated, allowing a cascade of power system shutdowns stretching from Michigan to New York City and into Canada.

                                                                            "We are fairly certain at this time that the disturbance started in Ohio," Michehl Gent, head of the North American Electric Reliability Council, said in a statement. "We are now trying to determine why the situation was not brought under control after three transmission lines went out of service."

                                                                            Gent said the transmission system was designed to isolate such problems and suggested that human error might have been involved in not containing the situation.

                                                                            "The system has been designed and rules have been created to prevent this escalation and cascading. It should have stopped," said Gent in a telephone conference call.

                                                                            Later, in a statement suggesting human failings for the events last Thursday, Gent said in the future "system operators ... will be extremely vigilant" when local transmission problems arise.

                                                                            Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham (news - web sites), who is co-chair of a U.S.-Canadian task force that will look into the cause of the blackout, said it's still too early to pinpoint a cause.

                                                                            "We're not going to prejudge where the problem is," Abraham told reporters in Albany, N.Y., on Saturday where he met with the governors of New York and New Jersey to discuss the blackout. "We're also not going to prematurely leap to conclusions."

                                                                            Abraham said the task force is putting together investigative teams that will include experts from the government's research laboratories as well as private resources, to find out what caused the power grid breakdown and recommend actions to prevent a repeat.

                                                                            Gent did not identify specifically the three power line failures that have become the focus of the NERC investigation. But other council officials said they were among five reported transmission failures in the Cleveland area during a period of just over leading up to the blackout peak Thursday afternoon.

                                                                            According to NERC, the first report came in at 3:06 p.m. EDT on Thursday and involved a 345-volt line that had "tripped" ? or gone off line. That was followed by reports on other lines failing at 3:32 p.m., 3:41 p.m., 3:46 p.m. and 4:06 p.m.

                                                                            Two minutes later, according to the NERC summary, "power swings (were) noted in Canada and the U.S." and three minutes after that power disruptions hit across eight states.

                                                                            The transmission system in northern Ohio is operated by FirstEnergy Corp., based in Akron, Ohio. The company has declined to comment on the investigation. "Those reviews have not even come close to being completed and we're not going to speculate," FirstEnergy spokeswoman Kristen Baird said Saturday before Gent's announcement.

                                                                            "It appears the train left the tracks in Ohio but we don't know who's responsible," said Alan Schriber, chairman of the Public Utilities Commission (news - web sites) of Ohio.

                                                                            Gent said he is confident the specific reason for the failures ? and who is responsible ? will be learned, but that it could take many weeks.

                                                                            Among the things yet to be determined is the relationship between lines tripping in Ohio and the unusual power swings that were observed in lines leaving Michigan and going into Canada and then back again, according to investigators.

                                                                            There are more than 10,000 pages of data, including automatically generated logs on power flows over transmission lines, that need to be closely examined, said Gent. Complicating the matter, he said, is that at the time of the power breakdown "events were coming in so fast and furious that (some reports) ... weren't even being logged in a timely way."

                                                                            Nonetheless, Gent said he is convinced that no data was lost and whatever was not recorded will be recovered.

                                                                            "We will get to the bottom of this," he said.

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                                                                            • Ice
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by SLY1
                                                                              A thread like this makes GFY one of the funniest place on the web...GFY Rocks! And so do Canadians
                                                                              All the Canuks(sp?) have met are cool as hell
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                                                                              • Mortimer
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Damn, I thought we had moved Ohio between the BC and Alberta... guess that didn't go through somehow:-(

                                                                                And I agree with directfiesta, they should sepa, we have no need for a province with no oil
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                                                                                • Lowkey
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                                                                                  • Jul 2003
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  blackout conspiracy?

                                                                                  http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...light=blackout

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                                                                                  • Toker
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by Jay[neX]



                                                                                    Don't know what you're laughing about,
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                                                                                      • sexeducation
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by Mutt
                                                                                        [B]yep, it's been confirmed, the Great Blackout of 2003 is Canada's fault. It all started in the great province of Ohio. I think that's between Ontario and Manitoba. Probably another one of them French speaking provinces they got up there eh?

                                                                                        ..text deleted ,,,

                                                                                        [B]
                                                                                        That is the funniest blog I have ever read.
                                                                                        ROFLMAO

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                                                                                        • Forest
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Mutt
                                                                                          yep, it's been confirmed, the Great Blackout of 2003 is Canada's fault. It all started in the great province of Ohio. I think that's between Ontario and Manitoba. Probably another one of them French speaking provinces they got up there eh?

                                                                                          [/B]
                                                                                          Gotta love those french speaking ohioans

                                                                                          fucking hillbillies

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                                                                                          • Forest
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by the indigo
                                                                                            brainless americans are common
                                                                                            you should be kinder when speaking about PleasurePays

                                                                                            He lives in Russia now

                                                                                            does that help him?

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                                                                                            • Carrie
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              "likely trigger" and "still investigating" != "confirmed"

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                                                                                              • SLY1
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Eh? where did that phrase originate?
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