No terrorist attacks in the US in response to Afghanistan.
No terrorist attacks in the US in response to Iraq.
What gives?
No terrorist attacks in the US in response to Iraq.
What gives?
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you are crazy if you think people that will fly planes into buildings or strap bombs to themselves are scared of anything.Originally posted by Mutt
they are scared shitless of Bush. which is the main reason i was for the war on Iraq or any other country over there. they have received the message loud and clear.Comment
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du-uhhh - it's the people who pull the strings of people who fly planes into buildings who are scared shitless, that's the important thing.I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!Comment
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So where are they? They all getting caught, given up, on the run? What's the deal?Originally posted by roly
you are crazy if you think people that will fly planes into buildings or strap bombs to themselves are scared of anything.
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Planning..... Speaking from the times of IRA, they didn't run around each day blowing things up. It's when everything goes quiet and back to normal that the shit starts from out of nowhere. But to pull something off as news worthy or dramatic as the 9/11 attack, would take a lot of planning with all the new security procedures and intelligence gathering. I'm sure FOX has the camera crew on the standby.Originally posted by Colin
So where are they? They all getting caught, given up, on the run? What's the deal?Comment
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"Australia's spy chief has warned a "catastrophic" terror attack -- possibly involving biological, chemical or nuclear weapons -- is a certainty and that the war against terrorism is far from over.
Australian Security Intelligence Organization (ASIO) director general Dennis Richardson said such an attack was "only a matter of time" and that U.S. fears of such an event should not be underestimated by the rest of the world. "
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i've no idea, but you can bet they are planning something else. I should imagine lots of potential terrorists were arrested/deported after 9/11 from the US, 1000's of arrests have gone on around the world also since, which must have distrubted them. but i'm sure they'll unfortunately probably be replaced over time.Originally posted by Colin
So where are they? They all getting caught, given up, on the run? What's the deal?
And an attack on the US would in their eyes no doubt have to be a "spectacular" which takes years of planning.
but i doubt they're scared (including the leaders), these are fanatics.Comment
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I agree to that basic premise.Originally posted by DJRCyberAVS
Planning..... Speaking from the times of IRA, they didn't run around each day blowing things up. It's when everything goes quiet and back to normal that the shit starts from out of nowhere. But to pull something off as news worthy or dramatic as the 9/11 attack, would take a lot of planning with all the new security procedures and intelligence gathering. I'm sure FOX has the camera crew on the standby.
It's also not very easy to do. Any Muslim with a coat can walk into a Heifa shopping mall with explosives strapped to himself. Doesn't take much planning or money. Geography.
It's a long way from the the Middle East to the US. It's not like there are a lot of people living in the US with the willpower and knowledge to pull off such attacks. If there were, they would be attempted more frequently.
It's a pretty small group of people with both the will and ability.
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It's because I told them not to.
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Oh oh. Not againOriginally posted by Petr
"Australia's spy chief has warned a "catastrophic" terror attack -- possibly involving biological, chemical or nuclear weapons -- is a certainty and that the war against terrorism is far from over.
Australian Security Intelligence Organization (ASIO) director general Dennis Richardson said such an attack was "only a matter of time" and that U.S. fears of such an event should not be underestimated by the rest of the world. "
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/as...ism/index.html
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Give it time.
It will happen again.I used to get high on life but then I built up a tolerance.Comment
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8 years or so between the WTC attacks....
Most attacks were against US interest abroad...
Are you bored and wish that it happens again?I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
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Yes, it will.Originally posted by Joe Average
Give it time.
It will happen again.
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Geography is definitely a big deal. Its not easy to get here in the first place. Its harder to come undetected, and still harder to arrive undetected from any number of countries suspected or known to have sponsored terrorism. But I think our geography ties in with the larger issue of the terrorists perceptions of the United States.Originally posted by Colin
It's a long way from the the Middle East to the US.
Muslim fundies see the US as a colossal cesspool of evil, and I don't think they're inclined to piecemeal attacks because of that. If they wanted to, I'm sure they could pull a series of Hamas style suicide bombings, but they know it wouldn't do much to hurt the US, and it would cost them alot in terms of manpower. They don't want to stick a pin in the Great Satans calf, they want to thrust a spear through its heart.
If they're going to attack the US, the rewards have got to be worth the risks. They want to cause as much widespread panic, death and economic injury as they can, and they pick their targets and methods accordingly. This makes the attack harder for them to carry out and easier for us to detect, because we know what message they're trying to send.
like we used to say playing spades in the county lockup.. "Come high or don't come at all"
Another attack hasn't happened because it takes alot of time, money, planning and manpower to do the sort of damage they feel they must do to bring down the great satan.Last edited by Gutterboy; 08-13-2003, 06:46 AM.Comment
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the system is working
but for sure they can't catch everyone I think it will hapen again hopefully in a much smaller scaleComment
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They pissed off the sleeing giant, and the sleeping giant got off it's ass, put it's foot down, and has them all running.
I don't care what your motivations are, or what your belief system is. Under no circumstances do you intentional target innocent people - EVER. No God will ever justify this.Herschel Savage
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heheheOriginally posted by RocHard
They pissed off the sleeing giant, and the sleeping giant got off it's ass, put it's foot down, and has them all running.
I don't care what your motivations are, or what your belief system is. Under no circumstances do you intentional target innocent people - EVER. No God will ever justify this.Comment
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If you believe that, the allied forces were wrong in WWII...Originally posted by RocHard
I don't care what your motivations are, or what your belief system is. Under no circumstances do you intentional target innocent people - EVER. No God will ever justify this./(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
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Let the backpedalling begin...Originally posted by punkworld
If you believe that, the allied forces were wrong in WWII...
I didn't mean it was wrong to kill innocent people in ALL circumstances, its fine when you believe you're doing it to prevent greater loss of life. Sure the ragheads use that justification too, but, but... they're just wrong, dammit!
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9/11 was done by ouur own gvmt to scare the publicOriginally posted by Colin
No terrorist attacks in the US in response to Afghanistan.
No terrorist attacks in the US in response to Iraq.
What gives?SEACREST OUT!Comment
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The reasons that there have only been relatively few and relatively light terrorist attacks since 9/11 are many and diverse.
The first may come as a surprise to many people, but in reality there really aren't that many muslims that cream their pants at the thought of blowing themselves up. Most muslims are just like normal people - they like to stay alive.
Another important reason is that muslim terrorists have a problem "blending in". Most of them are arabs and such, which makes it a lot easier to spot them.
Combine that with increased security and such, and it becomes very, very difficult for them to slip through.
When I got on a plane a few weeks ago, I set off the metal detector. Security very briefly frisked me, then let me through. I have blonde hair and blue eyes. Now, if I had looked like an arab, I would have been stripped, would have gotten a full body cavity search and my boots (which contain loads of metal) would've been taken apart.
Another point is that the organization of muslim fundamentalist groups all over the world has been severely damaged. Their leaders have disappeared, have died or have been arrested. So, they now lack much of the leadership needed to achieve results. Of the groups that remain intact, many are discouraged or afraid.
Ofcourse, new terrorist attack will happen. A few will slip through eventually, and will manage to wreak some havoc. However, as long as fundamentalist muslims are primarily arabs and such, they will have a hard time getting through./(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
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Interesting analysis. I like that.Originally posted by Gutterboy
Geography is definitely a big deal. Its not easy to get here in the first place. Its harder to come undetected, and still harder to arrive undetected from any number of countries suspected or known to have sponsored terrorism. But I think our geography ties in with the larger issue of the terrorists perceptions of the United States.
Muslim fundies see the US as a colossal cesspool of evil, and I don't think they're inclined to piecemeal attacks because of that. If they wanted to, I'm sure they could pull a series of Hamas style suicide bombings, but they know it wouldn't do much to hurt the US, and it would cost them alot in terms of manpower. They don't want to stick a pin in the Great Satans calf, they want to thrust a spear through its heart.
If they're going to attack the US, the rewards have got to be worth the risks. They want to cause as much widespread panic, death and economic injury as they can, and they pick their targets and methods accordingly. This makes the attack harder for them to carry out and easier for us to detect, because we know what message they're trying to send.
like we used to say playing spades in the county lockup.. "Come high or don't come at all"
Another attack hasn't happened because it takes alot of time, money, planning and manpower to do the sort of damage they feel they must do to bring down the great satan.
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I agree with you. The product of Muslims that want to blow themselves up and those with the ability to reach a viable US target is quite small.Originally posted by punkworld
The first may come as a surprise to many people, but in reality there really aren't that many muslims that cream their pants at the thought of blowing themselves up. Most muslims are just like normal people - they like to stay alive.
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Personally, I think it's was all to cover up the Florida voter fix. Just my personal opinion... but when the whole Clinton/Lewinski thing was going on... we all of a sudden bomd South America because they were sending drugs into the country...
Our government has a way of creating deversions away from the topic of the moment. The sad part is... the public falls for it. How fucking stupid is that?
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They are just reloading. Terrorists rely on a keyword that being terror. They do not just blow shit up every single day.
They wait until people are all comfy again and then do something else, ussually not the same thing as before.
As far as homeland security, it is a fucking joke.
You all do know that despite getting anally probed to get on an passenger airplane, having your bags checked, your toe nail clippers removed from your possession ect. The airlines are filling the bottom of the planes with packages that are not checked. Like zero security. True you can never know what plane your package will be on, but it will be on some passenger plane. Do you want it to be on the one you happen to be ridding in?
Well the powers that be, think terrorists will not use this route because they could not target an individual plane and it would be to random. Anyone baffled?Comment
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I don't really want to say too much. Just that you have to be pretty fucking spineless to start a war by ramming planes filled with innocent civilians into buildings filled with innocent civilians in the name of "Jihad" (which happens to be a personal conflict by the true teachings of Allah(however you spell it) ) and then running and hiding.<table border=0><tr valign=middle> <td><a href=http://www.scriptball.com><img src=http://www.scriptball.com/img/sb_ban_01.jpg border=0></a></td> <td> <font face=arial size=1> <a href=http://www.scriptball.com>Taking the repetitivness out of your job and adding speed to your work. Custom Software in virtually any Unix language, that will save you time and make you money. Take a look! </a> </font> </td> </tr></table>Comment
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Those that flew the planes did no running and hidding.Originally posted by ScriptBall
I don't really want to say too much. Just that you have to be pretty fucking spineless to start a war by ramming planes filled with innocent civilians into buildings filled with innocent civilians in the name of "Jihad" (which happens to be a personal conflict by the true teachings of Allah(however you spell it) ) and then running and hiding.
Plus it was of no terrorists intention of causing a war, I mean how can you fight a group of people from various countries in the traditional "war" scenerio.
Fucked up yes, but reality was it was just a welcome to reality America, enjoy your stay with what the rest of the world deals with.Comment
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Would you follow up with more right now while everyone is on the lookout? Or would you just sit around and wait till America gets lulled back into a false sense of security?
I'd wait.Comment
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It is my understanding that as many as 70,000 (or more-depending upon which report one chooses to believe) went through the Bin Laden training camps in Afghanistan. It is also my understanding that many of those that went through the training camps were broken down into 5-7 man cells and dispersed around the world...and it is my understanding that these cells were trained to act autonomously...without contact with other cells (and infact without any knowledge of other cells so that if one cell is brought down they cannot...even under torture provide information about other cells).
It is my understanding that the US, in conjunction with other countries...are working to disrupt finances...communications...and of course slowly but surely, either arresting or killing the al Qaieda leadership. This leaves these "cells" intact...but very possibly without funding, or little funding...and very possibly without communication, or little communication with leadership from above. These cells may be able to act upon a small scale here and there around the world...and we are occasionally seeing this...but the possibility of a major...well organized attack upon the mainland grows smaller and smaller with time.
I read one report that Bin Laden has probably expended his personal forturne and is basically reliant upon financial support from other sources. Bottom line...in my opinion...I question that there will ever be another assault upon the mainland on the scale of 9/11...committed by al Qaieda.Last edited by theking; 08-13-2003, 11:45 AM.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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You don't understand the terrorists do you ?Originally posted by Colin
No terrorist attacks in the US in response to Afghanistan.
No terrorist attacks in the US in response to Iraq.
What gives?
Their strongest things are Fear & Surprise.
They make videos to scare the people
They attack by surprise just like 9-11.Comment
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Egads, I'm agreeing with Forest. Look out, here come the Four Horsemen.Comment
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You don't really need that much funding to blow stuff up. Gasoline and fertilizer are rather cheap these days, as well as many other thing which can be used to create bombs and such. Hell, mix a few common cleaning products with eachother, and you have chlorine gas. Or just let someone go and shoot random people.Originally posted by theking
It is my understanding that as many as 70,000 (or more-depending upon which report one chooses to believe) went through the Bin Laden training camps in Afghanistan. It is also my understanding that many of those that went through the training camps were broken down into 5-7 man cells and dispersed around the world...and it is my understanding that these cells were trained to act autonomously...without contact with other cells (and infact without any knowledge of other cells so that if one cell is brought down they cannot...even under torture provide information about other cells).
It is my understanding that the US, in conjunction with other countries...are working to disrupt finances...communications...and of course slowly but surely, either arresting or killing the al Qaieda leadership. This leaves these "cells" intact...but very possibly without funding, or little funding...and very possibly without communication, or little communication with leadership from above. These cells may be able to act upon a small scale here and there around the world...and we are occasionally seeing this...but the possibility of a major...well organized attack upon the mainland grows smaller and smaller with time.
I read one report that Bin Laden has probably expended his personal forturne and is basically reliant upon financial support from other sources. Bottom line...in my opinion...I question that there will ever be another assault upon the mainland on the scale of 9/11...committed by al Qaieda.
The possibilities for creating terror are endless./(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
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i hope so, but it only takes 1 terrorist, some radioactive material (obtainable from within the US from medical/industrial sources), a strong wind and some explosives and much more havoc than 9/11 would be created. i just hope that day never arrives.Originally posted by theking
Bottom line...in my opinion...I question that there will ever be another assault upon the mainland on the scale of 9/11...committed by al Qaieda.Comment
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I believe that I stated that these cells can and apparently occasionally are acting out.Originally posted by punkworld
You don't really need that much funding to blow stuff up. Gasoline and fertilizer are rather cheap these days, as well as many other thing which can be used to create bombs and such. Hell, mix a few common cleaning products with eachother, and you have chlorine gas. Or just let someone go and shoot random people.
The possibilities for creating terror are endless.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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look at the results
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Which is exactly why I disagree with Gutterboy's post aboveOriginally posted by punkworld
You don't really need that much funding to blow stuff up. Gasoline and fertilizer are rather cheap these days, as well as many other thing which can be used to create bombs and such. Hell, mix a few common cleaning products with eachother, and you have chlorine gas. Or just let someone go and shoot random people.
The possibilities for creating terror are endless.
I honestly think this will be the future of the US in the next 10-15 years.If they wanted to, I'm sure they could pull a series of Hamas style suicide bombings, but they know it wouldn't do much to hurt the US, and it would cost them alot in terms of manpower.
It will become so difficult to create a spectacular attack like 9/11, so they'll resort to Hamas style disco, market bombings.
And regarding the effect it will have on the citizens of the US.
Imagine if in one month's time you had lone suicide bombers hit spots like:
1. Major casino in Vegas.
2. Major amusement park in California.
3. Major amusement park in Florida
4. High traffic tourist spot in New York.
I think 1 bombing in a major casino in Vegas alone would create so much fear, and demoralize so many that once again Vegas would experience another economic downturn.
Hit those other spots, and damn tourism would drop significantly.
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Well, my point (which I somehow forgot to write down) is that if it's so easy, and there are so many al qaeda cells, we should be seeing a lot more of it, even on a larger scale (buy a lot of fertilizer/gasoline over the course of several months, rent a truck, drive into a parking lot under some building, boom).Originally posted by theking
I believe that I stated that these cells can and apparently occasionally are acting out.
The problem is... we aren't seeing much of that at all in western countries. That leads me to doubt that there really are that many fundamentalist terrorists around./(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
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actually if the cells work as they have said they do much of the time then more than likely they already have their duties outlined for them.Originally posted by punkworld
Well, my point (which I somehow forgot to write down) is that if it's so easy, and there are so many al qaeda cells, we should be seeing a lot more of it, even on a larger scale (buy a lot of fertilizer/gasoline over the course of several months, rent a truck, drive into a parking lot under some building, boom).
The problem is... we aren't seeing much of that at all in western countries. That leads me to doubt that there really are that many fundamentalist terrorists around.
They are only awaiting the right time *possibly message from leaders* or have their time picked out for them already as well as their method of destruction.
I don't think they are all just sitting around going..hmmm...let's go grab some fertilizer today and blow up a federal building.
It'll happen. They are here...they are among us.
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Everyone is talking about muslim terror attacks...
Am I the only one worried about the Aryan Nation and the Neo Nazis being so damn quiet?
I just wonder if the next major terror attack isn't another "internal attack"Comment
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Actually, I don't think it works that way. Leading your life among people most often at the very least softens your hate for them. If they were living like that (and would have managed to get a green card), 90% of them would end up doing absolutely nothing.Originally posted by eroswebmaster
actually if the cells work as they have said they do much of the time then more than likely they already have their duties outlined for them.
They are only awaiting the right time *possibly message from leaders* or have their time picked out for them already as well as their method of destruction.
I don't think they are all just sitting around going..hmmm...let's go grab some fertilizer today and blow up a federal building.
It'll happen. They are here...they are among us.
They are going to work, they are eating dinner with their white christian co-workers and shopping at our stores as well as sending their kids to our schools.
It would be more likely for them to work as, say, taxi drivers
But aside from that, autonomous cells that can operate under their own initiative work best for things such as this. Blowing up random federal buildings and such would most certainly have a very large effect./(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
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They could be scared of having their families killed. If they're willing to sacrifice their lives for a cause, believe me they'd be scared of having their cause wiped out.Originally posted by roly
you are crazy if you think people that will fly planes into buildings or strap bombs to themselves are scared of anything.Comment
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Planning..... Speaking from the times of IRA, they didn't run around each day blowing things up. It's when everything goes quiet and back to normal that the shit starts from out of nowhere. But to pull something off as news worthy or dramatic as the 9/11 attack, would take a lot of planning with all the new security procedures and intelligence gathering. I'm sure FOX has the camera crew on the standby.
Listen and learn guys, fanatics are never scared from anything but failing to kill and cause misery.
Its far from over, also as someone who lived through the IRA times, these guys are different gravey, they have NOTHING to loose unlike the IRA, these guys are going to cause atrocities that the likes of anyone else has not even dreamed about
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i'm sure everyone would be afraid of that. but i don't think it would deter them. your dealing generally, with relatively young men that think they will go to heaven and shag 100 virgins if they suceed, not exactly rational. the palestinian suicide bombers families are punished by israel, demolshing there houses etc and it doesn't stop them out their. and these people have the same mindset.Originally posted by Buff
They could be scared of having their families killed. If they're willing to sacrifice their lives for a cause, believe me they'd be scared of having their cause wiped out.Comment
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Another question is...how much dedication can an individual cell maintain...over an extended period of time...while watching their upper echelon...being diminished.Originally posted by punkworld
Actually, I don't think it works that way. Leading your life among people most often at the very least softens your hate for them. If they were living like that (and would have managed to get a green card), 90% of them would end up doing absolutely nothing.
It would be more likely for them to work as, say, taxi drivers
But aside from that, autonomous cells that can operate under their own initiative work best for things such as this. Blowing up random federal buildings and such would most certainly have a very large effect.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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forever......unfortunatly this only fuels their causeAnother question is...how much dedication can an individual cell maintain...over an extended period of time...while watching their upper echelon...being diminished.
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I'll have to disagree with that. Seeing how their leaders get wiped out as if they were flies probably taxes their faith quite a bit. If Allah is with them, then why aren't they winning, or even putting up good resistance?Originally posted by Johny Traffic
forever......unfortunatly this only fuels their cause
If you combine that with what their lives must look like, being separated from their fundamentalist leaders (and their inspirational speeches and such) and from an environment where fundamentalism is accepted if not dominant, many of them probably have a hard time keeping the faith./(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
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You fucking fat north-american.Originally posted by Mutt
they are scared shitless of Bush. which is the main reason i was for the war on Iraq or any other country over there. they have received the message loud and clear.
They will always attack usa, FOREVER!!!
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I thought it was fear and loathing. The question was asked to elicit response and discussion not to profess misunderstanding.Originally posted by ecko544
You don't understand the terrorists do you ?
Their strongest things are Fear & Surprise.
They make videos to scare the people
They attack by surprise just like 9-11.
Please, though tell us more.
Punkworld, I agree with everything you've said.
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