Why the fuck aren't you agnostic?

What does the existence of God or lack thereof have to do with my lifestyle or adult work? What does the existence of God or lack thereof have to do with any lifestyle or line of work?

Explain...

may I suggest a book called "The God Part Of THe Brain" by Matthew Alper....


it will change your reality.

well, in most religions, pornography is a sin. and people are generally uncomfortable with the idea that they might possibly be doing something wrong with their life if indeed a god did exist, and what was stated in a religion was correct. it'd be hypocritical to invest faith in the mainstream belief of god and the guidelines that go with it, and be involved in adult work.

See, I had a LONG (count : 2 8 packs of guinness, 2 steaks, the sunset and rose before we were done)
discussion with a good friend of mine a few months
back..

His arguements were mainly centered on the fact that by being an athiest, you're no better than being a "thiest" because you're still subscribing to a very close-minded dogma. In his mind, Athiest choose no other god but the lack of one, where thiest chooes No other god than god.. It's like the whole "love is the same as hate" arguement.

To me, being an athiest, I don't see it that way. I just don't
believe, and more so, I don't care to put that much thought into it. I've seen enough fucked up things in this world, with such a paltry short life, to waste too much thought on the subject.


I guess athiesm to me is being too lazy to think about it.

You do know that people can believe in the existence of a God without being part of any religion, right?

"I yam what I yam"
-- Popeye

God is simple in my mind, when asked if I believe in god I just say I believe god is the force that created the universe, the rest is just man made up myths.

yeah, thats fine... but theres a lot of people who are atheists and will argue over why they're right for hours n' hours. i'm arguing why i'm right, but i'm on neutral ground tryin to figure out why the hell people choose to believe.

all i can come up with is there are those who:
1. believe in whatever suits their lifestyle most appropriately
2. believe in something for the sake of believing
3. believe in something because they aren't very bright
4. believe in whatever they've been molded into believing

hehe, yes, thats why i stressed religion in my response to your initial questoin.

but if one were to believe in god, that wouldn't make them athiest.

How do we really know we haven't died already? I've considered the theory that death is just an illusion. Maybe when you die, you don't really realize it, and your mind's perception of the world just adjusts to keep everything in sync and shifts things around dimensionally and you think you are still alive because everything is the same around you, when in fact you aren't in the same energy plane you just died in.

Read the book.... trust me on this one.

and once you've absorbed and digested Matthew Alper, check out the Tao Te Ching by Stephan Mitchell.

The rest of your life will be seen with clear eyes.

I have my beliefs. I won't argue them with anyone, I don't give a fuck what you believe in (as long as you're not trying to convert me). I don't think my beliefs can be 'categorized'.. I think there's a lot of people like me, atleast there should be. Religion is a curse.

thats all a possibility... hell i could be an alien in a coma having a long dream about some alien civilization called earth with humans, that never even existed.

thats why i wonder why people take such strong beliefs.

i became a non believer way before i was even out of highschool....i got thrown out of church many a time for asking too many questions...like "who the fuck is king james" and "why was he so special he rewrote the whole bible?

i took a look at the big picture and the big picture is the earth is just a speck in a universe that is just a speck in a bigger universe.... do other life forms believe in the chirstian god?

Man don't get me thinking about such shit. Bah........

That's actually an intresting point of view. I like it.

Wow. I feel sorry for people who can't reconcile being a porn slinger into their concept of spirituality. The world is a lesser place without both the heights of spirituality as well as the depths of depravity.

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
Love is the law, love under will.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/engccxx.htm

so you're using experiences from a few churches to base some of your atheistic reasoning on? churches are fucked up, and are usually way off when it comes to interpreting religions. but its no reason not to completely deny the existance of ..possibility..

and the research that has been done on most of the animals has concluded that they don't have the intelligence to have such beliefs... so yeah they probably dont believe in any god

erm

Churches and religion are both twisted and sick

Atheism is defined by a lot of people based on misconceptions. The reality is that most atheists are also agnostic.

The fact that I don't "believe" in a god makes me an atheist. The fact that I never rule out any possibility and always remain open-minded makes me an agnostic.

" the big question is is what happens after we die? do we just rot (atheists), or do we have a soul that leads into another form of reality (believers)... "

Or is you are a Gaia beliver I guess Gaiatheist you believe on death you return to mother earth from which you came.

Makes it simple

maybe you're twisted and sick, n' they're pure?

no, i agree with you to an extent... seems as though all churches are fucked up. but im sure there are exceptions.

I'm agnostic. You can't prove that there is a god, and you can't prove that there isn't one.

fuckin a.

2 words

PARTY GOAT

I don't need to buy the book. This says it all.

http://www.godpart.com/pages/premise2.html

Good book.

Most atheists don't deny the existence of God.

An atheist is simply a person who chooses not to believe... denying the existence of God is something entirely different.

i read it and understand what hes saying. its interesting and thought provoking. but it doesn't persuade me enough to abandon other possibilities. but yeah sounds like an interesting read.

i believe there's a CREATOR or what we called GOD and i believe in DEATH and i believe everything in nature!!!!

Actually he was a bisexual guy that got fed up with all the nonsense goin on in his town... so he decided to have the bible 'translated' not 'rewritten' into a language that could be understood by his people.. with hopes of them reading it and settlin the fuck down..

I believe that mice created our world and we are all just part of a big experiment that could end at any time.

That would be a real bitch if the experiment was destroyed by vogons before it was finished.

Bow Down to your Creator!

lol.. i dont even claim to be an atheist, that would mean i would have to believe in god for him not to exist.....read my whole post darling... churches are for the weak spirited to believe in something that everyone tells them will make them a better person...i base nothing on going to church because i knew it was a crock o shit when i was a youngster... i believe more in the scientific facts.. and that is we are just a spec in a universe of universes.....i believe i am a person..and that i know is true.

does anyone ever wonder why the bible never mentions the dinosaurs..now that would have made a great book...adam and eve to be taken out by T-rex

There are a few verses in the bible that some believe are making reference to dinosaurs.

99% of christians don't even believe in God. They only think they do. It's very simple to prove to them as well. But of course faced with the truth they still can't break from their delusion because their beliefs are not rational. Logic and proof do not apply in their world view.

Isn't it strange that old people who were Athiests or Agnosics when they were younger almost always get religious when they are nearing death?

Maybe it is true that wisdom comes with age.

I'm sorry but I don't know any people like that.

If there are such people I guess you would call it hedging one's bets as death approaches.

Or simply just selling out one's beliefs based on fear of the unknown.

such as?

Does the Bible Mention Dinosaurs?

If people saw dinosaurs, you would think ancient historical writings, such as the Bible, should mention them. The King James Version was first translated in 1611. {17} Some people think that because the word ?dinosaur? is not found in this, or other translations, the Bible does not mention dinosaurs.

However, it was not until 1841 that the word ?dinosaur? was invented. {18} Sir Richard Owen, a famous British anatomist and first superintendent of the British museum and a staunch anti-Darwinist, on viewing the bones of Iguanodon and Megalosaurus, realized these represented a unique group of reptiles that had not yet been classified. He coined the term ?dinosaur? from Greek words meaning ?terrible lizard.? {19}

Thus, one would not expect to find the word ?dinosaur? in the King James Bible the word did not exist when the translation was done.

Is there another word for ?dinosaur?? There are dragon legends from around the world. Many ?dragon? descriptions fit the characteristics of specific dinosaurs. Could these actually be accounts of encounters with what we now call dinosaurs?

The Hebrew word commonly translated ?dragon? in the KJV (Hebrew: tan, tannin, tannim, tannoth) appears in the Old Testament some 30 times. There are passages in the Bible about ?dragons? that lived on the land:?he [Nebuchadnezzar] has swallowed me like a dragon?, {#Jer 51:34} ?the dragons of the wilderness?. {#Mal 1:3} Many biblical creationists believe that in many contexts these could refer to what we now call dinosaurs. {20} Indeed, Strong?s Concordance lists ?dinosaur? as one of the meanings of tannin/m.

In #Ge 1:21, the Bible says: ?And God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed, after their kind.? The Hebrew word here for ?sea monsters? (?whales? in KJV) is the word translated elsewhere as ?dragon? (Hebrew: tannin). So, in the first chapter of the first book of the Bible God may be describing the great sea dragons (sea-dwelling dinosaur-type animals) He created.

There are other Bible passages about dragons that lived in the sea: ?the dragons in the waters?, {#Ps 74:13} ?and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea?. {#Isa 27:1} Though the word ?dinosaur? strictly refers to animals that lived on the land, the sea reptiles and flying reptiles are often grouped with the dinosaurs. The sea-dragons could have included dinosaur-type animals such as the Mosasaurus. {21}

#Job 41 describes a great animal that lived in the sea, Leviathan, that even breathed fire. This ?dragon? may have been something like the mighty 55-foot (17 m) long Kronosaurus, { 22} or the 82-foot 25 in longLiopleurodon.

There is also mention of a flying serpent in the Bible: the ?fiery flying serpent?. {#Isa 30:6} This could be a reference to one of the pterodactyls, which are popularly thought of as flying dinosaurs, such as the Pteranodon, Rhamphorhynchus or Ornithocheirus. {23}

Not long after the flood, God was showing a man called Job how great He was as Creator, by reminding Job of the largest land animal He had made:

?Behold now behemoth, which I made with you; he eats grass like an ox. See now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the muscles of his belly. He moves his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his thighs are knit together. His bones are like tubes of bronze; his limbs are like bars of iron. He is the chief of the ways of God: his maker brings near his sword.? {#Job 40:15-19}

The phrase ?chief of the ways of God? suggests this was the largest land animal God had made. So what kind of animal was ?behemoth??{ Was ?behemoth,? seen by Job, one of the big dinosaurs? Illustration by Steve Cardno. See Picture 244}

Bible translators, not being sure what this beast was, often transliterated the Hebrew, and thus the word ?behemoth?( e.g., KJV, NKJV, NASB, NIV). However, in many Bible commentaries and Bible footnotes, ?behemoth? is said to be ?possibly the hippopotamus or elephant.? {24} Some Bible versions actually translate ?behemoth? this way. {25} Besides the fact that the elephant and hippo were not the largest land animals God made (some of the dinosaurs far eclipsed these), this description does not make sense, since the tail of behemoth is compared to a cedar tree (verse 17).

Now an elephant?s tiny tail (or a hippo?s tail that looks like a flap of skin!) is quite unlike a cedar tree! Clearly the elephant and the hippo could not possibly be ?behemoth.? No living creature comes close to this description. However, behemoth is very like Brachiosaurus, one of the large dinosaurs.

so if there is no god why is there life?

well just like good and evil, ying and yang (i don't even know what this is but it sounds good), you can't have one with out the other. as long as there are things that aren't alive, there will be the opposite!

Agnostics are atheists hedging their bets...

http://www.ffrf.org/lfif/contra.html


the bible is a big mess

http://www.ffrf.org/lfif/contra.html

http://www.ffrf.org/lfif/contra.html

http://www.ffrf.org/lfif/contra.html