This guy is a great example of everything that is wrong with this business.
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There are people who do stupid/illegal things in every business.Originally posted by JohnW
This guy is a great example of everything that is wrong with this business.
The point is that his behaviour should not condoned by others who post things like "she's hot".<b>Note:</b> This nickname is a "character" created for the GoFuckYourself.com webmaster bulletin board. Use of this nickname should not imply any relationship to any real governing body/organization/authority.Comment
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It just seems that every passing day that goes by, there are just more and more idiots that enter this industry. WTF?
Professionalism is not a word to be associated with this industry. I'm not even sure I can hang anymore in this business. I thought I would have never said that but dam, everytime I turn around, there is another idiot who thinks with his dick and not his brains.
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just cant figure out how your post keeps refreshing itself to the top of the board???!!!Comment
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The really funny part about all this is that he says he paid that skank $350 for the shoot and then claims he's been doing this for years.
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I don't think he will have a law enforcement problem from this board.Originally posted by Illuminati
How many members of law enforcement use this board and how will this unravel do you think?
However, I do think he will have a problem from affiliates that might read this board, I know that I wouldn't promote his site after reading the information posted in the last two days.
I think his real problems will come to light when one of his models has regrets about what she has done. I think his problems will compound if news leaks and other models start having regrets (pronounced 'desire to sue him for $$$$$ when they discover they can').
If any of his models decided to sue him, Captain Tightships boat would sink faster than the Titanic.Comment
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wow.. you guys crack me up. i love how you bitch out everyone like your jesus clean or something. hah.Comment
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The only problem is, that in court, it wouldn't MATTER if the bottles are empty. The IMPLICATION can be as condemning as facts. It's just like people that get busted for child porn when the models are of age, however, if the models are PORTRAYED as young children, the implication is there, and they still get nailed.Originally posted by necoeds
JMM don't know who you are... but you didn't look very close at those pics... the bottles are empty... i keep empty bottles, all washed out for shoots... it's all staged... but i can't go telling my member's its staged now can iComment
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i guess you aren't.Originally posted by afrocreep
wow.. you guys crack me up. i love how you bitch out everyone like your jesus clean or something. hah.<b>Note:</b> This nickname is a "character" created for the GoFuckYourself.com webmaster bulletin board. Use of this nickname should not imply any relationship to any real governing body/organization/authority.Comment
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Legally, you are quite correct, sir.Originally posted by JMM
I don't think he will have a law enforcement problem from this board.
However, I do think he will have a problem from affiliates that might read this board, I know that I wouldn't promote his site after reading the information posted in the last two days.
I think his real problems will come to light when one of his models has regrets about what she has done. I think his problems will compound if news leaks and other models start having regrets (pronounced 'desire to sue him for $$$$$ when they discover they can').
If any of his models decided to sue him, Captain Tightships boat would sink faster than the Titanic.Comment
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Originally posted by afrocreep
wow.. you guys crack me up. i love how you bitch out everyone like your jesus clean or something. hah. 
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damn straight, they have the internet on computers now... you can be jesus too.Originally posted by afrocreep
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You will find that always to be the case.Originally posted by LadyMischief
Legally, you are quite correct, sir.Comment
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Just when you think that you have seen the dumbest post on this board, someone else takes it to a new low
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Nobody's claiming to be "jesus clean"...this is porn after all.Originally posted by afrocreep
wow.. you guys crack me up. i love how you bitch out everyone like your jesus clean or something. hah.
We, as a content production company, do things the right way, by the book. We don't try to rock the boat, we don't try to fuck people around, we provide well paying, casual labour to consenting adults and we back it up with signed model releases, and proper identification. I, as someone who does this day in and day out, would only hope that my peers conduct their business with the same professionalism as I do. Why should we let these morons be the "shining example" of the industry?
The problem lies with these idiots like necoeds thinking that just because they can buy a $100 digital camera and convince their girlfriends to take thier clothes off for them, that they are instantly Adult Industry business people. They don't spend the time and effort it takes to learn the business, learn what's legal and what's not legal to produce, the legalities of thier marketing (having joints on your logo is just plain stupid) campaigns, and establish themselves as legit business people in this industry. That's the problem.
This business would be better off without them.Comment
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He would be fine with a discaimer. Empty bottles do not hold up in court, nor does the implication.Originally posted by LadyMischief
The only problem is, that in court, it wouldn't MATTER if the bottles are empty. The IMPLICATION can be as condemning as facts. It's just like people that get busted for child porn when the models are of age, however, if the models are PORTRAYED as young children, the implication is there, and they still get nailed.
If the girl did not come out and state, I was drunk and you took advantage of me, the court can not touch him.
Also, If he had a camera running from the time she came in, signed the 2257's that statment won't hold water.Comment
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And if she did state exactly that?Originally posted by Sassyass
If the girl did not come out and state, I was drunk and you took advantage of me, the court can not touch him.
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Porn = acting
How many movies do you know where an actor/actress under 21 (or even under 18) drinks something that looks like it contains alcohol? Exactly.
And have you ever seen a porn movie in which an actor/actress drinks something that looks like it contains alcohol? Exactly.
Assuming necoeds didn't really give her beer and weed, there shouldn't be any problem whatsoever, because as far as I know, acting hasn't been outlawed yet.
Now, he only did two stupid things... he posted the address where she works and he made a bunch of whiny bitches believe she was really drinking and getting high./(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
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AMEN to that bro, one of the first intelligent (on topic) posts yet. I didn't really give her beer or weed, and there is no problem. As far as posting where she works, i was just fucking around, i was drunk posting on gfy (always a mistake) i told ztik where she works over icq... i just thought it'd be fun to stir up shit some more on here.... i did make a stupid mistake on both thoughOriginally posted by punkworld
Porn = acting
How many movies do you know where an actor/actress under 21 (or even under 18) drinks something that looks like it contains alcohol? Exactly.
And have you ever seen a porn movie in which an actor/actress drinks something that looks like it contains alcohol? Exactly.
Assuming necoeds didn't really give her beer and weed, there shouldn't be any problem whatsoever, because as far as I know, acting hasn't been outlawed yet.
Now, he only did two stupid things... he posted the address where she works and he made a bunch of whiny bitches believe she was really drinking and getting high.Message me to promote nebraskacoeds + network sites...Comment
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IF he had a camera running the whole time. from start to finnish,Originally posted by Sly_RJ
And if she did state exactly that?
IF it was stated that this is what was going to happen,
IF IF IF
Im not saying this was smart to do.
I would NEVER do it.
I know that there are certain ways that you can protect yourself from trouble. The first way is not to shoot content that will get you in trouble. After that it's a weighing the odds game.
If your going to have girl vomit on your dick, you need to take more precautions than the guy shooting soft core stills.Comment
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anymore pics of her?????
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Somebody slap me silly if I ever try to use his program!
Jesus!
I tell ya, some of the dumb stuff that goes on in this industry amazes me.
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You mean like barely legal ???Originally posted by LadyMischief
The only problem is, that in court, it wouldn't MATTER if the bottles are empty. The IMPLICATION can be as condemning as facts. It's just like people that get busted for child porn when the models are of age, however, if the models are PORTRAYED as young children, the implication is there, and they still get nailed.Don't let greediness blur your vision | You gotta let some shit slide
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So you admit to lying ...Nice keep up the good work.Originally posted by necoeds
Ok whatever... drop this shit... i fucked up by saying the shit in the begining... wanted to draw some heat somewhere other than sobe... didn't mean to make a fool out of myself... ;-)
It was all staged... no drugs... no alcohol... it's the only way i do shit...
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Sure. I'll slap all of ya. Gladly.Originally posted by OzKaNoz
Somebody slap me silly if I ever try to use his program!
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Originally posted by Gutterboy
Bullshit.
go buy a clue
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I wonder how many content providers actually do this...
We did a photoshoot about a month ago and Ginger, the model comes in I tell her to read the papers over yada yada...
and then she turns to me and says, do you guys have some beer?
I told her yeah, but legally we can't give her any until the shoot is over and all that jazz...so beer now? NO! beer when its all over and you're clothes are back on...sure we'll shoot the breeze!
She then looks at me and says, "really, all the shoots I've done before have no problem with me being drunk and stoned."
I smiled and said sorry, thats not how we work...Strong Bad Rocks!Comment
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Her snatch looks like 2 week old sliced roast beef. And um I would not tell people you got her wasted then shot her. Makes it simple for her to turn on youComment
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hahahahahah.... being drunk or stoned... so long as you did not give it to her and even if you did... she willing took them.... so long as you did not force her to get drunk or stoned.... remember guys... if it does end up in court... there are 2 sides... and there is video.... what I do.... I keep a 3rd camera rolling from time she walks in till she walks out..... I heard that from someone in the industry and it makes the most sence to me..... cause when it comes to court they will play video of yours... so you better have the un edited version of everythingComment
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oh and show me a sober girl that takes cock up her ass... you will rarley find them..... at internext I think the webwhores drank more than the guys did... well all but in room 1759Comment
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I can't beleive that this thread is still going, this guy must feel like a real tool
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There have been a ton of intelligent responses...they just didn't side with you. 1:200 isn't a bad conversion ratioOriginally posted by necoeds
AMEN to that bro, one of the first intelligent (on topic) posts yet. I didn't really give her beer or weed, and there is no problem. As far as posting where she works, i was just fucking around, i was drunk posting on gfy (always a mistake) i told ztik where she works over icq... i just thought it'd be fun to stir up shit some more on here.... i did make a stupid mistake on both though
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Wipe your monitor off JMMOriginally posted by JMM
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Then you will likely find us to be in agreement often :P I'm quite a stickler for law myself. I want to see my children grow up, and not from behind bars.Originally posted by JMM
You will find that always to be the case.Comment
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There have been cases where the girls turned around and lied, though.. and the courts are often NOT going to be in favor of the producer. It's generally safer NOT to portray drinking at all than to try to have "make believe" stand up in court when the girl is crying rape.Originally posted by Sassyass
He would be fine with a discaimer. Empty bottles do not hold up in court, nor does the implication.
If the girl did not come out and state, I was drunk and you took advantage of me, the court can not touch him.
Also, If he had a camera running from the time she came in, signed the 2257's that statment won't hold water.Comment
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Originally posted by SD_Todd
I can't beleive that this thread is still going, this guy must feel like a real tool
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Wrong.. the majority of those movies aren't in a "sexual context", as in they aren't ADULT material. They have artistic licenses that people in the adult business frankly can't take. I'm not trying to say that necoeds is in the wrong here, I have no idea if he was lying or not. But from a LEGAL standpoint, it opens up a can of worms that NOBODY in their right mind should want to deal with. As soon as someone gets NAKED and it's to give you a HARDON, _ALL_ the rules change. It would do well for a lot of people to keep that in mind.. especially with these raids going on more frequently now.Originally posted by punkworld
Porn = acting
How many movies do you know where an actor/actress under 21 (or even under 18) drinks something that looks like it contains alcohol? Exactly.
And have you ever seen a porn movie in which an actor/actress drinks something that looks like it contains alcohol? Exactly.
Assuming necoeds didn't really give her beer and weed, there shouldn't be any problem whatsoever, because as far as I know, acting hasn't been outlawed yet.
Now, he only did two stupid things... he posted the address where she works and he made a bunch of whiny bitches believe she was really drinking and getting high.Comment
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Originally posted by grumpy
You mean like barely legal ???
Maybe yes, maybe no. Depends on how strict an interpretation the particular state wants to take. But if a model is engaging in things that are pretty much considered things that "children" do, they are ASKING for trouble. I know personally several people that were raided for just such a thing, and even though the model in question was 30 years old, the entire company was busted on child porn charges because of the IMPLICATIONS. Remember, it's not just going to be a judge, in this case, but local obscenity laws and local standards are a HUGE force in convictions, and WHAT people are charged and convicted of.Comment
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Even if you have a camera rolling, ALL LEGAL DOCUMENTS (such as model releases and 2257 documentation) is INVALIDATED THE SECOND THE IMBIBES ALCOHOL OR PARTAKES OF DRUGS. It's the "duress" thing, and you are just ASKING to have your ass sued if you do it. Who the FUCk cares if she agreed to take it, those legal documents are all that is between you and jail, and if those documents are INVALID (and videotape would be PROOF THEY WERE INVALID, not that you were indemnified), you would be fucked right in the ass. It's just a REALLY DUMB THING TO DO.Originally posted by Dirty_DS
hahahahahah.... being drunk or stoned... so long as you did not give it to her and even if you did... she willing took them.... so long as you did not force her to get drunk or stoned.... remember guys... if it does end up in court... there are 2 sides... and there is video.... what I do.... I keep a 3rd camera rolling from time she walks in till she walks out..... I heard that from someone in the industry and it makes the most sence to me..... cause when it comes to court they will play video of yours... so you better have the un edited version of everythingComment
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All i've got to say to that is BULL FUCKING SHIT.Originally posted by LadyMischief
Even if you have a camera rolling, ALL LEGAL DOCUMENTS (such as model releases and 2257 documentation) is INVALIDATED THE SECOND THE IMBIBES ALCOHOL OR PARTAKES OF DRUGS. It's the "duress" thing, and you are just ASKING to have your ass sued if you do it. Who the FUCk cares if she agreed to take it, those legal documents are all that is between you and jail, and if those documents are INVALID (and videotape would be PROOF THEY WERE INVALID, not that you were indemnified), you would be fucked right in the ass. It's just a REALLY DUMB THING TO DO.
Ok, so what you're saying that college fuck fest, dreamgirls, inthevip, and girls gone wild videos are not legit? You are completely off base. It's one thing for you to say that the girls can sue me... it's completely another thing to say that they would win... what are you on crack?... just because someone has drank any alcohol, or any other type of mental inhibitor, does NOT SHOW VALID CAUSE FOR DURESS... Maybe in fucking Canada... LadyM... but not here... and as far as JAIL having ANYTHING FUCKING TO DO WITH IT, is fucking bullshit.
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y'all are getting out of hand....I've had girls come and straight up ask for alcohol...No, they're not getting plastered, but they say they want it to loosen themselves up..If they're drinking age, what the fuck is wrong with it?
Yeah a girl could say that she was intoxicated, yada yada..But when you have VIDEO of shit going on, it's very hard for that he said/she said shit to fly.
I see websites dedicated to girls who are "stoned" or "drunk" and nobody does anything....
Y'all need to get off of his ass. He's just an old pervert who is exploiting stupid country college chicks...Let him be.Comment
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If you watch any softcore or hardcore movie which actually has a story, there's about a 50% chance of it containing a scene where an actor/actress is drinking in a bar, drinking at dinner, drinking liquor that's poured down a model's body, drinking at a party, etc. Just go to the local video store and rent a dozen porn movies with a story, and you'll see.Originally posted by LadyMischief
Wrong.. the majority of those movies aren't in a "sexual context", as in they aren't ADULT material. They have artistic licenses that people in the adult business frankly can't take. I'm not trying to say that necoeds is in the wrong here, I have no idea if he was lying or not. But from a LEGAL standpoint, it opens up a can of worms that NOBODY in their right mind should want to deal with. As soon as someone gets NAKED and it's to give you a HARDON, _ALL_ the rules change. It would do well for a lot of people to keep that in mind.. especially with these raids going on more frequently now.
An actor or actress pretending to drink alcohol is no more problematic than an anal gangbang, watersports, gay sex or whatever (yes, those things could, with a bit of bad luck, be considered "obscene" and thus get you in jail). From a LEGAL standpoint, the whole adult business opens up a can of worms./(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
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Was it stupid to post what he posted?
Yes.
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Thank you, my thoughts exactly...Originally posted by BVF
y'all are getting out of hand....I've had girls come and straight up ask for alcohol...No, they're not getting plastered, but they say they want it to loosen themselves up..If they're drinking age, what the fuck is wrong with it?
Yeah a girl could say that she was intoxicated, yada yada..But when you have VIDEO of shit going on, it's very hard for that he said/she said shit to fly.
I see websites dedicated to girls who are "stoned" or "drunk" and nobody does anything....
Y'all need to get off of his ass. He's just an old pervert who is exploiting stupid country college chicks...Let him be.Message me to promote nebraskacoeds + network sites...Comment
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