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Beware of Stormpay, worse than Paypal ! Chargebacker's dream come true !

08-11-2003, 10:00 AM

I thought Stormpay was chargeback exempt?

Bullshit.

Someone came to me, a long time client, and asked me to help him get some money. I'm generally a good person, so I had him Stormpay me the money, and I sent him Western Union.

Guess what? Today, I get this e-mail.
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Dear KC Wright,

This is to inform you that the transaction below has resulted in a charge back.

Please log in to StormPay to get more details.
http://www.stormpay.com/

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Transaction Details
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Type: Payment
From: [email protected]
Date: July 19, 2003
ID: 605198
Amount: $500.00
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Thank you for using StormPay!

The StormPay Team
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Guess what else? There's not a THING I can do about it
Stormpay reversed my last 10+ transactions, from people that I sent money to.

Watch out for Stormpay, this could be a potentially bad deal for everyone.

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08-11-2003, 10:01 AM

Dude you are having some serious trouble today

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08-11-2003, 10:01 AM

StormPay has been good for me so far.

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08-11-2003, 10:15 AM

Originally posted by Mojo Rizin
Dude you are having some serious trouble today

It comes and it goes

I spend my whole time trying to figure out how to be a better business person, and I get fucked every time I turn around from trying to provide a good service or help someone.

This guy didn't even buy anything with this money. I was just trying to help him.

That was a totally legit transaction.

Fuck it.

Nobody ask me for help anymore. I mean it.

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08-11-2003, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by Turboface
StormPay has been good for me so far.

(crossing-fingers)

Me too Pat, but the site leads you to believe that you're safe.

You're not

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08-11-2003, 11:05 AM

k.c. looks like your having a really bad day.

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08-11-2003, 11:20 AM

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k.c. looks like your having a really bad day.

It'll get better.

On the fraud part, I have contacted both cc holders by phone. One knew her Discover was compromised, and her local PD is supposed to contact me.

The other had no idea her Visa was compromised, so I did my good deed. I should really stop helping people. I suppose that will be the last time.

The bright side of the story is that I have this scammers sponsor accounts, 2 of them.

I'm sure the Tucson PD will be making a visit to Cyberheat to get the address where he gets his checks sent too

On the Stormpay part, I thought I was safe.
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Stormpay does not get in the middle of Merchant/Client relations. If you feel that you should be refunded for a purchase that you made, then you will have to contact the person that you bought from to get this done. Stormpay WILL NOT issue any refunds, period!
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I thought that if he send me the money, it would be OK to western union it to him.

He said they needed food.

Fuck everyone from now on. Help themselves, or starve.
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08-11-2003, 11:23 AM

[email protected]

the 'fromru.com' email would have *really* sent up a flag for me, but very sorry to hear you got burned by a thief..

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08-11-2003, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by chupacabra

the 'fromru.com' email would have *really* sent up a flag for me, but very sorry to hear you got burned by a thief..

Yea, I know. But I try really really hard to not be predjudiced against countries of origin.

I have people in China, Ukraine, Turkey and Malaysia that I have a great relationship with, and really trust. I have done some very large deals with them, up into the millions of hits. Money goes both ways all of the time, and I mean some pretty large sums too.

Like I said, I did business with him. I thought he was OK. This wasn't even business, it was just help, that's all.

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08-11-2003, 11:55 AM

I doubt that any service is truly chargeback exempt. But there should be a date after the initial transaction that a chargeback cannot be made.
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08-11-2003, 11:57 AM

Not to be a bitch here, but to bring up a point -- any time someone wants to 'swap' currency with you -- be it Paypal me, ePassporte me, Stormpay me, whatever, in exchange for what amounts to cash -- ie Western Union or a method where they get their cash immediately,

DO NOT DO IT.

Think about it. 9 times out of 10, it's a scam.
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08-11-2003, 11:59 AM

KK, that's very sound advice.
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08-11-2003, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by Kimmykim
Not to be a bitch here, but to bring up a point -- any time someone wants to 'swap' currency with you -- be it Paypal me, ePassporte me, Stormpay me, whatever, in exchange for what amounts to cash -- ie Western Union or a method where they get their cash immediately,

DO NOT DO IT.

Think about it. 9 times out of 10, it's a scam.

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08-11-2003, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by Kimmykim

Think about it. 9 times out of 10, it's a scam.

Yea, you're right. No more helping people.

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08-11-2003, 01:10 PM

Stormpay is providing services for a transaction. Why should they eat the $500 if someone charges back? They'd be out of business in a day if they had that kind of policy.

Sorry but take responsibility for your actions and don't blame stormpay.

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08-11-2003, 01:36 PM

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It comes and it goes

I spend my whole time trying to figure out how to be a better business person, and I get fucked every time I turn around from trying to provide a good service or help someone.

This guy didn't even buy anything with this money. I was just trying to help him.

That was a totally legit transaction.

Fuck it.

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08-11-2003, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by Kimmykim
Not to be a bitch here, but to bring up a point -- any time someone wants to 'swap' currency with you -- be it Paypal me, ePassporte me, Stormpay me, whatever, in exchange for what amounts to cash -- ie Western Union or a method where they get their cash immediately,

DO NOT DO IT.

Think about it. 9 times out of 10, it's a scam.

indeed, I just scammed teengodfather

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08-11-2003, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by KRL
Stormpay is providing services for a transaction. Why should they eat the $500 if someone charges back? They'd be out of business in a day if they had that kind of policy.

Sorry but take responsibility for your actions and don't blame stormpay.

Stormpay should have better fraud controls in place. People should think more clearly before they do things, but they should still have more fraud deterrent.
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08-11-2003, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by Wildcard

indeed, I just scammed teengodfather

Yea, but you did real good by me Wildcard

It all evens out in the end

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08-11-2003, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by KRL
Stormpay is providing services for a transaction. Why should they eat the $500 if someone charges back? They'd be out of business in a day if they had that kind of policy.

Sorry but take responsibility for your actions and don't blame stormpay.

I respect you KRL, but you're off on this one. They didn't ask, I got no e-mail except that it was done without my input and without any recourse.

If they would ask, I can provide them a copy of the western union reciept which they could follow up on easily.

They won't even answer their phone. Even NayPay would answer their phone and allow you to provide some proof.

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08-11-2003, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by Kimmykim
Not to be a bitch here, but to bring up a point -- any time someone wants to 'swap' currency with you -- be it Paypal me, ePassporte me, Stormpay me, whatever, in exchange for what amounts to cash -- ie Western Union or a method where they get their cash immediately,

DO NOT DO IT.

Think about it. 9 times out of 10, it's a scam.

well, that's not true at all. Me, for one, and a lot of people outside USA not able to get funds via Paypal (and that includes at least 30% of people in this board, some of them very known) only can take WU, wires, Stormpay, Moneybrokers, etc. Anything but Paypal. And I (for one) never scammed anybody, and I know for sure at least 20 people in this board that have a 100% bulletproof rep that cannot take Paypal (or ePassporte). Of course, I don't "swap" currencies (who does that?) but I deliver work in exchange of money, very different thing. And for this thread, if Adult Site Traffic would take WU instead of Stormpay, now he'd have his money.

Now, don't try to be an asshole here, but when I see somebody coming from Rusia or Israel I simply ignore it. Not everybody is a scammer, I know, but the risk of losing some legit businness finds compensation by the lowering of risks of losing my money.

Taking this kind of actions, now 99% of scammers I know are from USA

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08-11-2003, 02:32 PM

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And for this thread, if Adult Site Traffic would take WU instead of Stormpay, now he'd have his money.

No, he needed the money, he said for food. He sent me Stormpay, and I sent him Western Union.

I guess I just felt bad for him.

I do take Western Union.

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08-11-2003, 02:38 PM

Sorry to hear that,

I signed up also hoping they are the new paypal equivalent..

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08-11-2003, 02:39 PM

KC. It isnt stormpays fault. They dont reverse good transactions, but if someone uses a stolen credit card and the real cardholder charges back then stormpay has no control and they get charged by their bank, so they have to pass it on to the merchant. Thats just a standard with any processor.

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08-11-2003, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by nuclei
KC. It isnt stormpays fault. They dont reverse good transactions, but if someone uses a stolen credit card and the real cardholder charges back then stormpay has no control and they get charged by their bank, so they have to pass it on to the merchant. Thats just a standard with any processor.

Yea, I know Nuc. Maybe they should have taken the money from his account.

I guess lesson learned. Nobody gets anything more than customer support from now on.

Fuck 'em.

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08-11-2003, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by Kimmykim
Not to be a bitch here, but to bring up a point -- any time someone wants to 'swap' currency with you -- be it Paypal me, ePassporte me, Stormpay me, whatever, in exchange for what amounts to cash -- ie Western Union or a method where they get their cash immediately,

DO NOT DO IT.

Think about it. 9 times out of 10, it's a scam.

hmmm, I just got this the other day, and wasn't sure if I should go for it or not:

Dear Sir,
I am Dr Martins Obi the bills and exchange director at the GUARANTY TRUST BANK PLC, I am writing this letter to solicit for support and assistance from you to carry out this business oportunity in my department. Lying in an inactive account is the sum of us$34.7million belonging to a foreign customer(Mr James
Kelly) who happens to be deceased. he died with his wife and two children in a plane crash on board an ADC airline flight at the Egirin river Lagos Nigeria in november 2002. Ever since he died the bank has been expecting his next of kin to come and claim these fund. To this effect, we can not release the money unless someone applies for it as next of kin, as indicated in our banking
guideline. Unfortunately he has no family member in Nigeria or America who are aware of the existence of the money(as he was a contractor with the federal Republic of Nigeria).
At this juncture i have decided to do business with you in collaboration with officials that matter in the bank, to this effect we solicit your assistance in applying as the next of kin then the money will be released to you. As we do not want this money to go into the bank treasury as an unclaimed bill. The banking law and guideline stipulates that if such money(s) remains unclaimed
for a period of up to 8 years(8yrs)the money will be transferred into the banks treasury as an unclaimed bill. Our request for a foreigner as next of kin is occasioned by the fact that the customer was a foreigner and a Nigerian cannot stand as next of kin. Sir, 20% of the money will be your share as a foreign partner and your assistance to actualise this business 5% for any expenses incured.
Thereafter my partner and i will visit your country with your help once the money hits your account for disbursement according to the percentage indicated.
To effect the immediate transfer of the fund to you as agreed,you must apply first to the bank as the next of kin to the released, then we will follow up all formalities for the transaction. Upon receipt of your reply, i will send to you by fax or mail the text of the application, as soon as you receive the text i will further clarify you in other issues as to affect the business. Awaiting to
hear from you Best Regards,
Dr Martins Obi.

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08-12-2003, 04:13 PM

Perl,

We tend to disagree agreeably for the most part but I'm with you on this one. We're considering dropping StormPay.com from our list of payment processors. We've gotten chargeback's for over 90% of our orders through StormPay. To make matters worse, you can't phone them to discuss this because they don't have a number listed. If you search their number on Google (using address) it comes back as a floral shop! They say they're in the U.S. but whois.net has them registered in the West Indies!

I have another email into them to find out what we can do about the chargebacks in general, otherwise they get the guillotine!

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08-12-2003, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by Penn E. Less
Perl,

We tend to disagree agreeably for the most part but I'm with you on this one. We're considering dropping StormPay.com from our list of payment processors. We've gotten chargeback's for over 90% of our orders through StormPay. To make matters worse, you can't phone them to discuss this because they don't have a number listed. If you search their number on Google (using address) it comes back as a floral shop! They say they're in the U.S. but whois.net has them registered in the West Indies!

I have another email into them to find out what we can do about the chargebacks in general, otherwise they get the guillotine!

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Addendum.

Fortunately they chargebacked within a few days of the order instead of at the end of the 30 day campaign. Our losses have been cut short because of this but overall, it still sucks bigtime.

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