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  • MrPopup
    Confirmed User
    • Aug 2002
    • 3783

    #1

    Customer lists seized in Rob Black raid

    Is there the possibility of a class action-suit by members and promoters of Extremely hardcore sites like Extreme/Sweet/Max Hardcore for allowing members and affiliates to be put in this precarious legal position?

    Could an argument be made that TERMS OF SERVICE when joining the site/program were too ambiguous and did not mention the possibilty of threat of federal prosecution?

    "sales records, distribution records, invoices, transaction records, records of payments and deposits, profit/loss and financial statements, records of accounts payable and accounts receivable, expense records, customer lists, employee records, notes, correspondence and other business papers which reflect or relate to the production, advertisement, distribution, and the sale of the films. . ."

    YOUR NAME/COMPANY MIGHT BE ON THOSE LISTS.


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    This has probably already been posted.
    http://www.extremeassociates.com/federal5.html

    Alright everybody,

    I have not spoken in quite some time. Because, quite frankly, there has not been much to say. But, now I will clear the air and tell you exactly what happened so all the bullshit sites can get the facts straight for the first time.

    At approximately 9:10 AM Pacific Time Tuesday morning, roughly 47 uniformed federal marshals and postal inspectors from Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania with assistance from the LAPD, served a search and seizure warrant for 4 Extreme Associates and 1 Armageddon Entertainment movie. The movies were:


    1. Extreme Teen #24
    2. Cocktails #2 - Director's Cut
    3. Ass Clowns #3 - Director's Cut
    4. 1001 Ways to Eat My Jizz
    and last but certainly not least PBS' favorite:
    5. Forced Entry

    Along with seizing copies of these movies, they seized "sales records, distribution records, invoices, transaction records, records of payments and
    deposits, profit/loss and financial statements, records of accounts payable and accounts receivable, expense records, customer lists, employee records, notes, correspondence and other business papers which reflect or relate to the production, advertisement, distribution, and the sale of the films. . ."

    There were no arrest warrants. Nobody was arrested. And, Extreme Associates doors are now and will remain open for business selling the fine quality Extreme product that you have grown to love. This will INCLUDE all of the videos which are part of this obscenity investigation as we stand by our product and feel that nothing we have ever produced is obscene. The only thing we may be guilty of is bad taste.

    As this is a preliminary investigation, there was nothing more and nothing less. So everyone can cool their jets. And for the record, the complaint
    which led to this investigation came out of Pittsburgh, PA and not out of Kentucky and not because of anything any former actress may have said or not said. This had to do with mailing a customer - a private individual - videos which they requested, paid for, and accepted! Now this is where we stand aswe know it and I will expand on more as our attorneys fill me in on the case of;

    THE UNITED STATES vs EXTREME ASSOCIATES (that's what the warrant says)!

    Now with this official statement out of the way, I can now open up my big fat mouth and give you some of my feelings on the situation. . .

    I definitely will not sit here and cry a bunch of tears. Remember when the PBS Frontline special came out (which a number of the inspectors made
    reference to when conducting interviews), it was I who challenged law enforcement to come after us for obscenity. So, while some may call this
    Karma, I want to remind everyone that I invited this. But, I must say that I feel honored and privileged because I always thought it would be some local law enforcement sanctioned by Deborah Sanchez and the LA Vice Squad (the same people who went after Max and Seymour), but fuck, we had the fucking FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, more than 40 agents, grace us with their presence. Add the money they spent to fly agents from Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, put them up in Los Angeles for a minimum of 10 days (the extent of the warrant), and pay them their significant salaries, plus the unknown future costs (which we have to assume will be at a bill of HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF TAX PAYER DOLLARS - and,
    as this is a FEDERAL CASE that means it's your money no matter which state you're from).

    Mind you, this business has not seen a MAJOR FEDERAL OBSCENITY INVESTIGATION in over 10 years. I guess we now have lived up to our reputation.

    I find it completely ridiculous and disheartening that on the same day that these federal agents delivered "shock and awe" to us, halfway across the
    world, the very same government is currently bombing Iraq in the name of "OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM!" The government drums up support for the war by telling us that they are attempting to liberate the Iraqi people and give them the most precious freedoms we enjoy. Meanwhile, on the homefront, the quietly attempt to limit this AMERICAN freedom. The key word is quietly. But as anyone who knows me, and the government should know me well enough by now, should know that QUIETLY JUST AIN'T IN OUR FUCKING VOCABULARY!

    Starting today, we will be giving you periodic updates in the case of THE UNITED STATES vs EXTREME ASSOCIATES. The very same media that thrust us into the spotlight will now have their much anticipated main event. So make sure you stay tuned because we are just getting started. To the few in the industry who have supported us, and you know who you are, I thank you and appreciate it, even when my actions at times were completely retarded.


    And for those of you who hate us (and I know that would take us all 10 days of the warrant to list), I will simply accept your thank yous quietly, with
    maybe a passing wink or smile, when it is us who fights this case and wins standing up for the entire business and allowing you to continue your
    business unhampered by the government. It will be us that will be listed in the books as the ones who beat the United States government. Hey, maybe in about 10 years I can get the Hal Freeman "Freedom Isn't Free" or Reuben Sturman award or even that Good Guy thing. Ahh fuck, I don't want anything except for maybe a little peace and quiet (and a Milos Forman directed movie about my life).

    Sincerely,
    Robert Zicari (a.k.a. Rob Black)
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  • directfiesta
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Oct 2002
    • 30183

    #2
    Have to go... Somebody's at my door....
    I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

    But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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    • Fletch XXX
      GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
      • Jan 2002
      • 60840

      #3
      NO matter my stance on the Fantasy thing.

      I stand with Extreme.

      This is fantasy and freedom of speech, should be fought for.

      Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site?

      Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

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      • directfiesta
        Too lazy to set a custom title
        • Oct 2002
        • 30183

        #4
        FYI, I met with Hal Freeman after his jail sentence serving, a few months before his death. He was owner of Hollywood Video, and that court case ruined him financillay, emotiannaly and physically... And what did it give the US gov: nothing....
        I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

        But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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        • MrPopup
          Confirmed User
          • Aug 2002
          • 3783

          #5
          Originally posted by directfiesta
          And what did it give the US gov: nothing....


          You sure about that? Reread your post.
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          • directfiesta
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • Oct 2002
            • 30183

            #6
            Originally posted by MrPopup




            You sure about that? Reread your post.
            You have a point there. I should of differenciated between the:

            - US gov

            and the

            - US people as individual

            PS: Those years were tough in the porn : Interstate shipment, sollicitation for prostitution ( paying actresses), RICO , etc....

            Russ ended in jail too ( VCA CEO!).
            I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

            But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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            • ibs
              Confirmed User
              • Jul 2003
              • 277

              #7
              All I can say is see SIG
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              • DarkJedi
                No Refunds Issued.
                • Feb 2001
                • 28301

                #8
                OWNED.

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                • GrimShawn
                  Confirmed User
                  • Oct 2002
                  • 8120

                  #9
                  Rob Black is going to court for selling videos in banned areas. It has nothing to do with the internet.

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                  • directfiesta
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 30183

                    #10
                    Originally posted by GrimShawn
                    Rob Black is going to court for selling videos in banned areas. It has nothing to do with the internet.
                    Please read previous threads: it was as clear as Black on white:

                    " ... over the internet"...
                    I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                    But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                    • Greg B
                      So Fucking Banned
                      • Jul 2001
                      • 7014

                      #11
                      Wow! With that many cops showing up I'll bet the criminals in the area had a field day.

                      It'll be interesting to see how this turns out. Sounds like somebody goofed up somewhere and left a wide door for somebody to shove an umbrella in and open it wide.

                      Let's wait for the details and see what happens. Could make a good movie one day.

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                      • MrPopup
                        Confirmed User
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 3783

                        #12
                        Originally posted by GrimShawn
                        Rob Black is going to court for selling videos in banned areas. It has nothing to do with the internet.
                        The indictment reads:

                        "The defendants are also charged with transmitting six obscene video clips over the internet through their website www.extremeassociates.com "

                        I don't suppose those involved with similar content are interested in talking about it very much.
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                        • diabloownr
                          Registered User
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 1

                          #13
                          Taken from http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp..._wtae/1731626:
                          "While the movies themselves are not illegal, U.S. Attorney Mary Beth Buchanan said it is against the law to send them through the U.S. mail or, in the case of the Web site, display them via an Internet connection that crosses state lines."

                          So remember, when a customer is watching you vid feed, make sure they live in the same state as you!
                          WTF??

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                          • TheFLY
                            So Fucking Banned
                            • Jan 2001
                            • 11856

                            #14
                            Too much freaky porn

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                            • daddynastee
                              Confirmed User
                              • Oct 2002
                              • 310

                              #15
                              Originally posted by MrPopup


                              The indictment reads:

                              "... transmitting six obscene video clips over the internet through their website ..."

                              Someone notify Acacia!

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                              • TheGoldenChild
                                Confirmed User
                                • May 2002
                                • 6940

                                #16
                                like he said
                                he called the attention to himself for the PBS special-
                                the right wingers don't like public dollars being spent to produce that kind of special for the station-

                                IMHO- that was the worst place to showcase his wares on Public Television-

                                It all comes down to this

                                " The only time a whale gets harpooned is when it comes up for air"

                                think about it.....

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                                • mrthumbs
                                  salad tossing sig guy
                                  • Apr 2002
                                  • 11702

                                  #17
                                  can somenbody fill me in?

                                  Was there anything unusual explicit on those vids?

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                                  • jeroman
                                    So Fucking Banned
                                    • Oct 2002
                                    • 356

                                    #18
                                    Hm, what do you mean with Obscene ??

                                    or is it just like a post above that he sold/sent videos to a state
                                    that has shitty laws regarding porn ?

                                    "Obscene but not illegal"

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                                    • Gutterboy
                                      So Fucking Banned
                                      • Jul 2002
                                      • 4751

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by mrthumbs
                                      can somenbody fill me in?

                                      Was there anything unusual explicit on those vids?
                                      Realistically simulated beating & rape.

                                      I'm with Fletch tho.. as long as its fantasy.. however distasteful that fantasy may be.. it should be protected speech.

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                                      • [Labret]
                                        Registered User
                                        • May 2001
                                        • 10945

                                        #20
                                        Just hope and pray that they beat this.

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                                        • Gutterboy
                                          So Fucking Banned
                                          • Jul 2002
                                          • 4751

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by [Labret]
                                          Just hope and pray that they beat this.
                                          As much as I'd like to believe they'll beat the rap, I doubt it. They might have gotten away with it in the San Fernando Valley, but I can't believe there is any way in fuck that some hick pennsylvania jury is going to find the tape with the break in, beating and rape scenes to be a-ok by their community standards.

                                          They could argue that lots of movies have those sorts of scenes, but within that context there is artistic merit. The part of the test about appealing soley to the prurient interest is going to be a hard hurdle to get over.

                                          Just my armchair lawyering...
                                          Last edited by Gutterboy; 08-10-2003, 02:38 PM.

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                                          • jeroman
                                            So Fucking Banned
                                            • Oct 2002
                                            • 356

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Gutterboy


                                            I'm with Fletch tho.. as long as its fantasy.. however distasteful that fantasy may be.. it should be protected speech.
                                            Same for childporn you think ?

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                                            • GrimShawn
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Oct 2002
                                              • 8120

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by MrPopup


                                              The indictment reads:

                                              "The defendants are also charged with transmitting six obscene video clips over the internet through their website www.extremeassociates.com "

                                              I don't suppose those involved with similar content are interested in talking about it very much.
                                              My content is not similar. Forced Entry has them beating the girls and doing simulated rape.

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                                              • Gutterboy
                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                • Jul 2002
                                                • 4751

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by jeroman


                                                Same for childporn you think ?
                                                If its fantasy child porn, ie. cartoons or legal age girls who appear underage, then yes.

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                                                • stocktrader23
                                                  Let's do some business.
                                                  • Jan 2003
                                                  • 18781

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by jeroman


                                                  Same for childporn you think ?
                                                  As much as anybody in this industry loathes child porn you can't start seperating simulated anything when dealing with the law. If we allow the government to say any 1 form of free speech is unacceptable they will use that to their advantage.

                                                  Free speech is free speech regardless of the subject matter.


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                                                  • Digipimp
                                                    BP4L OT DL
                                                    • Mar 2003
                                                    • 13481

                                                    #26
                                                    Legal or not it's dumbasses like this guy that get everyone all fucked up.

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                                                    • OneHungLo
                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                      • May 2001
                                                      • 40902

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by GrimShawn


                                                      My content is not similar. Forced Entry has them beating the girls and doing simulated rape.
                                                      No but especially your content and most content that has any penetration will be found obscene in some little hick town in PA.

                                                      The Internet crosses state lines therefore making any crime a federal crime. They could easily have some postal inspector join your site from small right wing bible thumping town in Alabama, gather all the evidence they need and display it before a grand jury and indict you on it.

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                                                      • MrPopup
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                        • 3783

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by GrimShawn


                                                        My content is not similar. Forced Entry has them beating the girls and doing simulated rape.
                                                        The Vancouver police and RCMP don't seem to think so.

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