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DirectNic put my Domain On-Hold !?!

08-06-2003, 09:58 AM

Hey,

I run a free host and it appears some fuckhead put some pedo shit on my host. Then someone contacted directnic about it.
So directnic has put my domain on hold...
Here is the lastest letter from directnic:

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Dear Mr. *****

I am sorry, but because of the explicit content viewed on this site(******.com), we are not able to unlock the domain name or divulge any specific information for this domain. At this point, there is very little that our Customer Support staff can do to help you with this issue. If you would like to pursue it further, I suggest getting in touch with the FBI, Missing and Exploited Children, or our Legal Department ([email protected]).

Regards,

*****
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Anyone ever had this happen to them?
Any advice?
I guess its lawyer time, anyone know a good lawyer for dealing with such a thing?
Fuck, this scares the shit out of me...
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08-06-2003, 10:00 AM

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08-06-2003, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by m00d
Hey,

I run a free host and it appears some fuckhead put some pedo shit on my host.

Shitty thing to happen but why are you surprised by that?

Ignorance is never bliss.
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08-06-2003, 10:16 AM

I'm not supprised by it, I've ran this host for several years now.
I have scripts that search for keywords, block ip's/emails, do everything in my power to stop the sicko's from uploading that shit. I however am supprised by DirectNic putting my domain on hold, and refusing to give me any additional info, thats what I'm asking about.
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08-06-2003, 10:17 AM

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08-06-2003, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by m00d
I'm not supprised by it, I've ran this host for several years now.
I have scripts that search for keywords, block ip's/emails, do everything in my power to stop the sicko's from uploading that shit. I however am supprised by DirectNic putting my domain on hold, and refusing to give me any additional info, thats what I'm asking about.

Depends how far it's been taken I suppose. More than possible that DirectNIC really do have their hands tied over it. If an official body is looking into it they are probably unable to tell you anything or do much.

Ignorance is never bliss.
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08-06-2003, 10:21 AM

that sucks
thats one way to get rid of a competetion. i hope it was not a setup.
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08-06-2003, 10:21 AM

Did directnic try and contact you about this first? Or did they just take this action and then contact you?

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08-06-2003, 10:27 AM

What part of contact legal@ or the FBI etc etc didn't you understand? No one here can wave a wand for you, so get on the phone to one of the above and DO something.

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08-06-2003, 10:28 AM

1 If a domain hosts pedo it should be suspended.
2 If you have a free host people will put up pedo stuff on your domain.
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3 If you have a free host your domain should/will get suspended.

I think you should check whetter or not the contact info provided
by your clients is true or not, some thing like sending a code trough snail mail to activate the account. If you do that you'll wont have problems with pedos.
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08-06-2003, 10:32 AM

They did not contact me first, they just put the domain on hold.
I have contacted my lawyer, I just wanted to see if anyone here has had a similar experience.
Free host or paid host doesn't make a difference here...
A scum bag can upload illegal content to either, then directnic can put your domain on hold...Be it more likely on a free host I admit.
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08-06-2003, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by extreme hardcore
1 If a domain hosts pedo it should be suspended.
2 If you have a free host people will put up pedo stuff on your domain.
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3 If you have a free host your domain should/will get suspended.

I think you should check whetter or not the contact info provided
by your clients is true or not, some thing like sending a code trough snail mail to activate the account. If you do that you'll wont have problems with pedos.

Idiot, that is what you are.

Why not suspend yahoo.com since it had pedo's lurking there picking up kids.
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08-06-2003, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by m00d
Free host or paid host doesn't make a difference here...
A scum bag can upload illegal content to either

If it's a paid host you'll have info to get to the pedo, with a free host you don't.
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08-06-2003, 10:36 AM

Originally posted by m00d
They did not contact me first, they just put the domain on hold.
I have contacted my lawyer, I just wanted to see if anyone here has had a similar experience.
Free host or paid host doesn't make a difference here...
A scum bag can upload illegal content to either, then directnic can put your domain on hold...Be it more likely on a free host I admit.

That is bullshit and shouldnt happen. I used to run a freehosting cluster of servers/multiple domains and i never ran through that problem. You cannot do much other than delete the site in question/report their information.

Once you get control back i would move it (all all your other free host domains to a different registar.
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08-06-2003, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by notjoe

Idiot, that is what you are.

Why not suspend yahoo.com since it had pedo's lurking there picking up kids.

Don't get me wrong I'm not accusing him of doing anything wrong. I was just showing why his domain was suspended.
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08-06-2003, 10:42 AM

You are correct, if it was paid hosting I would have more info about the person. And Directnic might have just taken their domain instead of mine.
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08-06-2003, 11:04 AM

Once you get control back i would move it (all all your other free host domains to a different registar.

Who would you suggest I change to, I don't want this to happen again. Who would be better than DirectNic?
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08-06-2003, 11:10 AM

http://www.cheap-domainregistration.com/

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08-06-2003, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by notjoe

Idiot, that is what you are.

Why not suspend yahoo.com since it had pedo's lurking there picking up kids.

Agree 100%

I expect all or most freehosts have this problem and I have never heard of a freehost domain being put on hold in such a way.

Anybody running a freehost should be worried by such events

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08-06-2003, 11:22 AM

direct nic is a bunch of dipshits
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08-06-2003, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by extreme hardcore

Don't get me wrong I'm not accusing him of doing anything wrong. I was just showing why his domain was suspended.

Having read your post twice now I still think your an idiot, you should read it back to yourself then come back when you have a clue.

Hey I know lets shut down freehost****.com I'll upload some kids and have them shut down .... yah right

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08-06-2003, 11:27 AM

So you fault Directnic for following the regulations that ICANN etc lay out? lol There are alot more regs coming, so plan on jumping from registrar to registrar until you figure out they ALL have the same rules to follow.

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08-06-2003, 11:37 AM

I just talked to a guy at directnic, he wouldn't tell me much but did say that they can pull your domain for any valid complaint.
So if someone finds illegal content on a free host, shoots a complaint email to directnic, they will validate the complaint then pull your domain....

My new question for anyone.
What is a better registrar to use other than directnic?
Not cheapest, i want the best, a place that will not pull
domains without contacting the owner first.
This could put all free host out of buisness.
If your a free host and use directnic, i'd move my names quick.

Maybe Network Solutions would be the best to use?
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08-06-2003, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by m00d
I just talked to a guy at directnic, he wouldn't tell me much but did say that they can pull your domain for any valid complaint.
So if someone finds illegal content on a free host, shoots a complaint email to directnic, they will validate the complaint then pull your domain....

My new question for anyone.
What is a better registrar to use other than directnic?
Not cheapest, i want the best, a place that will not pull
domains without contacting the owner first.
This could put all free host out of buisness.
If your a free host and use directnic, i'd move my names quick.

Maybe Network Solutions would be the best to use?

All of the big freehosts get this shit EVERY day and they don't get shut down, nor should they.

If it were only you who were in charge of the domain then there would be no case to answer but all freehosts are wide open to abuse and the honest users need to be protected from shit like this.

If I were you I would seek legal advice

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08-06-2003, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by Gemini
So you fault Directnic for following the regulations that ICANN etc lay out? lol There are alot more regs coming, so plan on jumping from registrar to registrar until you figure out they ALL have the same rules to follow.

Do you not consider what they did was just a tiny bit unfair ?

Unless there is more to this story then FUCk Directnic

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08-06-2003, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by AssFairy
Having read your post twice now I still think your an idiot, you should read it back to yourself then come back when you have a clue.

Hey I know lets shut down freehost****.com I'll upload some kids and have them shut down .... yah right

Sure I'm an idiot... I was not talking about what is good or bad, i was just talking about rules and logic. If you seriously think that the world will be as you think it should be: you are an idiot.

It doesn't mind what you think about what 'should' be happening it is about what actually 'is happening'! The only thing i was pointing out was why it happened the way it did!!

Keep dreaming on, one day the world will be just the way you like it.... (not).

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08-06-2003, 12:23 PM

Believe me, there is no more to the story...
Someone uploaded illegal content, and directnic pulled my domain.
I have no idea if and when I will get it back.
I am now looking for a new registrar for my other domains.
I am considering going back to NetworkSolutions as they are
bigger and hopefully act more professional.
Any advice in this area?
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08-06-2003, 12:23 PM

So anyone know registrar that will not close your domains for whois info complaint?
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08-06-2003, 12:25 PM

Hm....
Anyone use gandi.net ? They are Icann accredited but located in France. Dunno if that would be good or bad...hm...
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08-06-2003, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by m00d
Hm....
Anyone use gandi.net ? They are Icann accredited but located in France. Dunno if that would be good or bad...hm...

they froze my domain for spam last week.

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08-06-2003, 12:35 PM

A-F, what *I* think about directnic is here nor there... ALL registrars HAVE to follow the rules. Like it or not. They did what they were supposed to do according to ICANN (who, uhhhh tells ALL regs what the rules are the last time I knew)

Unfair or not, here is a guy crying to us, when he SHOULD be talking to directnic as to what the next step is. I think I already said it, we have NO magic wand and while we may feel for him, his time would be better spent on the phone...

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08-06-2003, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by Gemini
A-F, what *I* think about directnic is here nor there... ALL registrars HAVE to follow the rules. Like it or not. They did what they were supposed to do according to ICANN (who, uhhhh tells ALL regs what the rules are the last time I knew)

Unfair or not, here is a guy crying to us, when he SHOULD be talking to directnic as to what the next step is. I think I already said it, we have NO magic wand and while we may feel for him, his time would be better spent on the phone...

he could be posting here while on the phone
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08-06-2003, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by Gemini
A-F, what *I* think about directnic is here nor there... ALL registrars HAVE to follow the rules. Like it or not. They did what they were supposed to do according to ICANN (who, uhhhh tells ALL regs what the rules are the last time I knew)

Unfair or not, here is a guy crying to us, when he SHOULD be talking to directnic as to what the next step is. I think I already said it, we have NO magic wand and while we may feel for him, his time would be better spent on the phone...

I have been on the phone but you cannot talk to the directnic legal dept via phone. They communicate vie email only, ain't that some shit. They have basically told me nothing and to gfy.
So now my lawyer will try to contact them.
I dont' have a problem with them following the Icann rules, but
they could keep me more informed. I don't know anything other than they pulled my domain for illegal content. I aguess this is pedo related, but can't say that for sure. I have no idea when the issue will be resolved, who did the complaining, nothing.
And they won't tell me anything more...
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08-06-2003, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by FlyingIguana
direct nic is a bunch of dipshits

... because they fight childporn ?
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08-06-2003, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by funkmaster

... because they fight childporn ?

i have all my domains with them and although i wanted to change to a cheaper registrar I'll stay with them. Having Directnic as your registrar is proof that you are cool (well.... at least not hosting CP).

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08-06-2003, 12:54 PM

props to directnic for reacting quickly. then again a little too quickly, considering a freehost really can't monitor all its contents perfectly.

contacting the admin should have been the first thing to do, followed by putting the domain on hold after failing to comply.
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08-06-2003, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by Equinox
props to directnic for reacting quickly. then again a little too quickly, considering a freehost really can't monitor all its contents perfectly.

contacting the admin should have been the first thing to do, followed by putting the domain on hold after failing to comply.

Suspending the domain is no problem in my opinion BUT they should release the domain quickly if they learned from m00d what the situation was! They should contact him the next time to tell him to cancel the account instead of suspending the whole domain.

No one can expect from his register to know exactly what each and every domain registered trough them is doing! Just as no one can expect from a free host to know what everyone is hosting on his server...
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08-06-2003, 02:11 PM

i have all my domains with them and although i wanted to change to a cheaper registrar I'll stay with them. Having Directnic as your registrar is proof that you are cool (well.... at least not hosting CP).

You are a total moron. You should refrain from discussing topics you know nothing about. Because you obviously
know NOTHING about free hosts.

You can take every known precaution (all hosts do) and those sick fucks will still sneak some by you on occasion. In those cases you rely on being informed by some surfer that it's there. No one running a host wants any association with CP . It's their worst nightmare. If someone were running a CP friendly host, do you think their biggest problem would be having their domain seized.

Get a clue.
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08-06-2003, 02:33 PM

m00d, I have looked into this situation. Apaprently this issue of KP has been going on since March. ( You had over 5 months to get your house in order) Why didn't you take it down when you were notified? We even were sent multible spams with KP coming from this domain.

We handle millions of domains, without exception if we notify someone about KP being on their domain, it is take down immediately and everything is fine. This is what legitimate businesses, and ethical people do.

To keep it up for months can mean one of 2 things: 1) You did not care and do not handle your business or 2) you wanted the kp there.

It is not uncommon for "Free Hosts" to be fronts from KP operations.

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08-06-2003, 02:46 PM

Does this mean it's now officially popcorn time?

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08-06-2003, 02:51 PM

no need for popcorn, Directnic are professional people. this pedo loving clown has been exposed, nothing more to talk about.

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08-06-2003, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by Mutt
no need for popcorn, Directnic are professional people. this pedo loving clown has been exposed, nothing more to talk about.

I'm tempted to agree as I've always liked directnic for their professionalism and the fact that's it's possible to actually get a reply when you have problems. With them you usually do get what you pay for.

Even so considering the fuss made above I don't expect this to die too quickly. That MUST mean I have an excuse to eat some popcorn!

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08-06-2003, 03:00 PM

DirectNic is a top notch professionally run outfit, and I wouldn't trust my domains to anyone BUT them.. they've saved my sorry ass more than once, and always dealt above board and totally profossionally.... I'd lean to their version at this point...

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08-06-2003, 03:00 PM

Yeah, I've found that professional organizations engage in allowing CP to sit around for 5 months unchecked. Makes a lot of sense.
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08-06-2003, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by fatbaby
DirectNic is a top notch professionally run outfit, and I wouldn't trust my domains to anyone BUT them.. they've saved my sorry ass more than once, and always dealt above board and totally profossionally.... I'd lean to their version at this point...

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Ditto, FB! How many times does one of the owner's of a registrar come here and clear something up? Directnic has ALWAYS taken care of any problems immediately for me and for everyone else I've ever seen on this or any other board.
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08-06-2003, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by Mike AI
m00d, I have looked into this situation. Apaprently this issue of KP has been going on since March. ( You had over 5 months to get your house in order) Why didn't you take it down when you were notified? We even were sent multible spams with KP coming from this domain.

We handle millions of domains, without exception if we notify someone about KP being on their domain, it is take down immediately and everything is fine. This is what legitimate businesses, and ethical people do.

To keep it up for months can mean one of 2 things: 1) You did not care and do not handle your business or 2) you wanted the kp there.

It is not uncommon for "Free Hosts" to be fronts from KP operations.

Oh shit. beyond me why people come here and cry when they know dam well they have fucked up. Seen, I don't know how many get busted.

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08-06-2003, 03:12 PM

Learn to police your host, dude. And stop whining.

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08-06-2003, 03:21 PM

Ultimately he is protected under US safe harbor law and provisions as an 'ISP' and so are DirectNic assuming it isn't just a "front".

I am not too sure what to think about this case to be honest as we're not in possession of all the facts to ascertain this particular case, but I do think Registrar's should stay out of it short of a court order (i.e similar to what happened with isonews.com).

I see it as a dangerous encroachment if the Feds no longer need to get a court order to force a Registrar to transfer or otherwise place a domain name on hold due to inappropriate content.

Yes of course we're all against this kind of content, without a doubt, however I believe short of a court order Registrar's should keep out of it and if they continue to interfere and do what law enforcement demands (without a court order) it won't be long until ICANN start making it official and writing these ill defined 'responsibilities' into Registrar's contracts and in relation to content, who knows where it will end.

Of course I hope DirectNic know what they're doing after all Mike AI is a law graduate I believe, but they could potentially face big liabilities for this sort of behavior!

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08-06-2003, 03:22 PM

I dont actually use Directnic but know a few people that I have a lot of respect for that swear by them, and if they let you know 5 months ago, then where lies the fault?
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08-06-2003, 03:25 PM

Rebel23, not only do I have a law degree, but the person who got me through law school is the CEO of the company.... Sig Solares.

We also have in-house council, and a large law firm on retainer.

We are very comfortable with our stance on this issue, and our actions in this specific case.

Make big money on your Domains! Why wait 40 days to get paid with the other guys? Parked.com pays the most for your traffic, and cuts checks twice a month!
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