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  • TheFLY
    So Fucking Banned
    • Jan 2001
    • 11856

    #1

    Why AVS, TGP, and CJ and Galleries are dead ideas.

    If you disagree on any points -- just explain yourself....

    AVS is a good model, but it's inferior to doing a real paysite -- just go all the way with a real paysite, sign all the contracts and invest in all that content, the tour, affiliate program, yadda yadda yadda. We already know some AVS sites have been shutdown because of new CC regulations -- it's just not a long term solution. Why risk your investment to hundreds or thousands of retards that you don't even know?

    I think everyone should understand how to do a freesite first before doing a paysite... a good freesite is the perfect transition to a paysite if you don't have $50,000 to throw into the trash. But what kind of freesite to do? I'm not telling

    TGP takes a huge daily time investment and commitment. Your entire source of income depends on the fact that you look through bazillions of shitty pictures only to post the ABSOLUTELY most sexy girls you can find -- EVERY DAY... If you don't keep these guys happy every day they will go somewhere else. MGP is a better time investment, but requires even more work -- now you have to update thumbnails every day from the movies -- find the movies, chop them up, on top of what you would do with a TGP already. I think MGP's will soon figure out they don't need galleries at all since the main attraction is the daily rotation (hence a site like OTBM) --

    Pure CJ just does not exist anymore.... That died out years ago. Most lazy TGP guys use a CJ script to manage trades so they don't have to update their site every day... but pure CJ is dead because the productivity just is not high enough to maintain steady traffic, traffic is blind and useless anyway, trades die, and there aren't enough foolish webmasters even in these times to fall for the horrible idea of sending good traffic to a black hell hole in exchange for untargeted hitbot crap...

    So what's the alternative? Why would I tell you for free?
    Last edited by TheFLY; 08-05-2003, 04:34 PM.
  • TheFLY
    So Fucking Banned
    • Jan 2001
    • 11856

    #2
    Galleries are a waste of time IMHO -- because it's pointless to build a gallery when you can just build an entire site that will sustain traffic for longer than the shitty 4 days that you will be listed on TheHun. Why do you only want traffic for 4 fucking days when you can get a permanent trade that will last you for years!

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    • Spunky
      I need a beer
      • Jun 2002
      • 133978

      #3
      I agree with the TGP's..there is just way too many of them and frankly I make shit with them.
      MGP's are in the works and hear they are great traffic generators and profitable. I think sponsor hosted galleries and paid submissions is the only way to go with those.
      Never really dabbled in AVS ,but what I hear they can build a good chunk of change if you have a ton of them.

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      • hudson
        Confirmed User
        • Jul 2003
        • 2948

        #4
        Originally posted by TheFLY
        TGP takes a huge daily time investment and commitment. Your entire source of income depends on the fact that you look through bazillions of shitty pictures only to post the ABSOLUTELY most sexy girls you can find -- EVERY DAY
        sounds like no fun to me...plus you get to deal with all the "personalities"

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        • slapass
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • Nov 2002
          • 14625

          #5
          MPG's maybe are the hot thing but they take a ton of time if you are going to review galleries and actually look at the clips. I seriously doubt that most people bother to review their galleries.

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          • hudson
            Confirmed User
            • Jul 2003
            • 2948

            #6
            Originally posted by TheFLY
            Pure CJ just does not exist anymore.... That died out years ago. Most lazy TGP guys use a CJ script to manage trades so they don't have to update their site every day... but pure CJ is dead because the productivity just is not high enough to maintain steady traffic, traffic is blind and useless anyway, trades die, and there aren't enough foolish webmasters even in these times to fall for the horrible idea of sending good traffic to a black hell hole in exchange for untargeted hitbot crap...
            hey The Fly...I thought pure CJ just morphed into script powered TGP after that famous post on AWI.

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            • Drake
              Hello world!
              • Mar 2003
              • 12508

              #7
              TheFly, always the contentious commentator

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              • Marcus
                Confirmed User
                • Jul 2001
                • 3472

                #8
                I tried doing freesites but I got nothing. The traffic was tiny and I didn't get any sales.

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                • juicylinks
                  So Fucking Banned
                  • Apr 2001
                  • 122992

                  #9
                  FLY i gotta agree you got some good points

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                  • KRL
                    Entrepreneur
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 31429

                    #10
                    Shovels.

                    The guys selling the shovels always make money.
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                    • TheFLY
                      So Fucking Banned
                      • Jan 2001
                      • 11856

                      #11
                      Originally posted by hudson


                      hey The Fly...I thought pure CJ just morphed into script powered TGP after that famous post on AWI.
                      I never surfed AWI, but that's pretty much what I'm saying -- CJ scripts are the tool of choice for trade management and gallery skimming... But you'll never get to be a megasite like Greenguy or Tommy with all that CGI to block the engines.

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                      • juicylinks
                        So Fucking Banned
                        • Apr 2001
                        • 122992

                        #12
                        FLY btw is wise nice meeting you finally

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                        • Thrawn$
                          Confirmed User
                          • Apr 2002
                          • 4596

                          #13
                          All thoose tgp holders need Galleries
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                          • hudson
                            Confirmed User
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 2948

                            #14
                            let's do some translating here and see if we can get TheFLY's secret message:

                            Originally posted by TheFLY
                            If ya' disagree on any points -- plum 'splain yo'self....

                            AVS be a baaaad model, but it's inferio' t'hangin' some real paysite -- plum go all de way wid some real paysite, sign all de contracts and invest in all dat content, de tour, affiliate honky code, yadda yadda yadda. WORD! We already know some AVS sites gots been shutwaaay down cuz' of new CC regulashuns -- it's plum not some long term solushun. Why risk yo' investment t'hundreds o' dousands uh retards dat ya' duzn't even know?

                            I dink everyone should dig it how t'do some freesite fust befo'e hangin' some paysite... some baaaad freesite be de puh'fect transishun t'a paysite if ya' duzn't gots $50,000 t'drow into de trash. Lop some boogie. But whut kind'a freesite t'do? I'm not tellin' TGP snatch'd some huge daily time investment and commitment. Man! Yo' entire source uh income depends on de fact dat ya' look drough bazillions uh shitty pictures only t'post da damn ABSOLUTELY most fine goats ya' kin find -- EVERY DAY... If ya' duzn't keep dese dudes happy every day dey gots'ta go somewhere else. MGP be a betta' time investment, but requires even mo'e wo'k -- now ya' gots'ta downdate dumbnails every day fum de movies -- find da damn movies, chop dem down, on top uh whut ya' would do wid some TGP already. Slap mah fro! ah' dink MGP's gots'ta soon figure out dey duzn't need galleries at all since da damn main attracshun be de daily rotashun (hence some site likes OTBM) --

                            Pure CJ plum duz not 'esist no mo'.... Dat got wasted out years ago. 'S coo', bro. Most lazy TGP dudes use some CJ script t'manage trades so's dey duzn't gots'ta downdate deir site every day. Slap mah fro!.. but pure CJ be wasted cuz' de productivity plum ain't high enough t'maintain steady traffic, traffic be blind and useless anyway, trades die, and dere ain't enough honkyfoolish webmasters even in dese times t'fall fo' de ho'rible idea uh drowin' baaaad traffic t'a brother hell hole in 'shange fo' untargeted hitbot crap.

                            Jes hang loose, brud... So's whut's de alternative? Why would ah' tell ya' fo' free?

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                            • Spunky
                              I need a beer
                              • Jun 2002
                              • 133978

                              #15
                              Getting galleries isn't really a problem with the 200 or so spnsors that have hosted ones.I still allow submissions for the fresh filler material but with the amount of cheaters and just plain crap and the hours you have to spend reviewing them,people are just saying fuck it to submissions and just going partner and their own.

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                              • TheFLY
                                So Fucking Banned
                                • Jan 2001
                                • 11856

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Thrawn$
                                All thoose tgp holders need Galleries
                                Ok I will agree with you on this point, but I'd say avoid being the casual submitter. If you can produce a personal relationship with many TGP's and produce template driven galleries in bulk, and consistently hot galleries with LARGE images, and a few other key things that I won't talk about for free hehe... now TGP guys really like you, because they aren't worried about 404's, redirects, blind thumbs, missing images, etc. and they can work

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                                • TheFLY
                                  So Fucking Banned
                                  • Jan 2001
                                  • 11856

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by hudson
                                  let's do some translating here and see if we can get TheFLY's secret message:

                                  Seriously I don't want anyone to sign up to my site right now -- I don't care about sales from GFY -- if that's what you're suggesting... I actually have some more work to do on my site before I start really promoting it...

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                                  • hudson
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Jul 2003
                                    • 2948

                                    #18
                                    the hacker version (oh god, I think this joke is getting old...I promise to knock it off tomorrow ;-):

                                    Originally posted by TheFLY
                                    if dios4gre3 o na|\| ypnits -- just explani yorse7f!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                                    1~~~~ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!~~~ LOLOLOLOLL

                                    av zis a good Mod3;, but itZ infariro to donig a real paYsit e-- just go all th3 w4y with a rea7 paysite, sign all the contarcts 4nsd i|\|vest in all that conteNt, thhe rtour, affiil1tae program,, yadda yadda yadda... We laready know some avd sties havbe been sahuttdown because of new ccr egulatoins -- it's jutsn ot a long t3rm solutiuon... WHY RISK UR INVESTMENT TO HUNDRDS Or THOUSANDS oF RETARDZ THAT YOU D0N'T EV3N KMOW???????

                                    1 thoink evaryoNe sholud und3rstand h0wt o do a fr3esite first before doing a pays1te!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!~~~~~ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!~~~~~~~ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 AG OOD FREEsItE SI TE HPERFECT TRANSITION TO A PAYSIE IF U DON'T HACE $50,0000 TO THROW INTO TRHE TTASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111~~~~~~ ololoolololo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111~~~~ butw hat ,kind of freresit3 to Do?????!!!?????????? i"m not telling tgp takes 4 huge daily time invedst/\/\nt and cpmmitmmetn!!!!!!!!!!!!!1~~~ ur entire sourcE oF income dePends on the fact thaat Ypou look through bazill10ns of shtity opicturez on7y to post tehj absolutely omst sexy babesu can find -- evary day~~~~~~~ I will HACK yoiuuuUu ... if u don"t k3ep tehse guys happy every dsay they will go somewjhere else.. mgp si 4 bett3r tiemi nvestment, buT reqauires even mroe work -- nowu have to upd8 thu/\/\bnails every day from teh move1s -- fined teh moveis, chop tehm up, on top of what ypo uwouldd Do with a tgp alrEady!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 I THINK MGPS WILL SOON FIGURE OUT THEY DPONT NEED GALLAERIS AT ALlS INCE TH3 MAIN ATTRACTION 1S TEHD 4ILY ORTTTAION (H3NCE A SITREL IEk OTRB/\/\) --

                                    PURE CJ JUSt DOES NOT EXIST aNYMORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1~~~~~ lolololl!!!!!!!!!111~~ I OWN J00!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 . !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1~~~~~~~ ollolo~~~~~~ that deeid out yearz ago. oolololololololo~~ mOst lazy tGp guyz use a j scrtIot to ma|\|age ttradez sso tEhyd omn't qahve to UpDate their site eveRy day !!!!!!!!!!!!1~~~~~~ .. uut opure cj i sdead becauzz the pordctivity just is not high enoufh to m4intain steady traffic, rtaff1 cis blind and uselesz anyway, trades sei, and there rn"T 3nough foolish Webgmasters even in tehhse tim3s to falll rfo tHe hror1blE idea of sedign go0d traffic to a bLAX0r hell hoel in exchange Fr ountaRegtEd hitbot crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111~~~~~ / !!!!!!!!111

                                    so wha'st the atlernative?????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???? ??????? LOLOOL why would it ell u fro free?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????? ???? ololoololol

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                                    • twistyneck
                                      So Fucking Banned
                                      • Jan 2002
                                      • 4660

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by KRL
                                      Shovels.

                                      The guys selling the shovels always make money.
                                      Exactly.

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                                      • hudson
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Jul 2003
                                        • 2948

                                        #20
                                        and just to dig my grave a little deeper, the redneck version ;-):

                                        Originally posted by TheFLY
                                        Eff'n yo' disagree on enny points -- jest explain yo'seff....

                                        AVS is a fine model, but it's inferio' t'doin' a real paysite -- jest hoof it all th' way wif a real paysite, sign all th' contracks an' invess in all thet corntent, th' tour, affiliate program, yadda yadda yadda. We already knows some AVS sites haf been shetdown on account o' of noo CC regulashuns -- it's jest not a long term solushun. Whuffo' risk yer investment t'hundreds o' thousan's of retards thet yo' doesn't even know? ah reckon ev'ryone sh'd unnerstan' how t'do a freesite fust befo'e doin' a paysite... a fine freesite is th' puffick transishun t'a paysite eff'n yo' doesn't haf $50,000 t'throw into th' trash.

                                        But whut kind of freesite t'do? ah's not tellyng TGP takes a huge daily time investment an' commitment. Yer intire source of income depends on th' fack thet yo' look through bazillions of shitty pitchers only t'post th' ABSOLUTELY most sexy gals yo' kin find -- EVERY DAY... Eff'n yo' doesn't keep these guys happy ev'ry day they will hoof it somewhar else. MGP is a better time investment, but requires even mo'e wawk -- now yo' hafta update thoombnails ev'ry day fum th' movies -- find th' movies, chop them up, on top of whut yo''d does wif a TGP already. ah reckon MGP's will soon figger out they doesn't need galleries at all on account o' th' main attrackshun is th' daily rotashun (hence a site like OTBM) --

                                        Pure CJ jest does not exist ennymo'e.... Thet died out years ago. Most lazy as a houn'dog TGP guys use a CJ scripp t'manage trades so they doesn't hafta update their site ev'ry day... but pure CJ is daid on account o' th' produckivity jest is not high inough t'maintain steady traffic, traffic is blind an' useless ennyway, trades die, an' thar isn't inough foolish webmasters even in these times t'fall fo' th' ho'rible idea of sendin' fine traffic t'a black hell hole in exchange fo' untargited hitbot crap...

                                        So whut's th' alternative? Whuffo''d ah tell yo' fo' free?

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                                        • TheFLY
                                          So Fucking Banned
                                          • Jan 2001
                                          • 11856

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by hudson
                                          and just to dig my grave a little deeper, the redneck version ;-):

                                          ah reckon ev'ryone sh'd unnerstan'

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                                          • StupidNewbie
                                            Registered User
                                            • Apr 2002
                                            • 864

                                            #22
                                            everything works well when it has an alternative purpose. engines, it's all about the engines.

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                                            • hudson
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Jul 2003
                                              • 2948

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by TheFLY


                                              ah reckon ev'ryone sh'd unnerstan'
                                              PS TheFLY...I always love reading your post. You got some neat ideas and definately love technology.

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                                              • TheFLY
                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                • Jan 2001
                                                • 11856

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by hudson


                                                PS TheFLY...I always love reading your post. You got some neat ideas and definately love technology.
                                                Well thanks

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                                                • FreeHugeMovies
                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                  • Dec 2001
                                                  • 14141

                                                  #25
                                                  Very interesting Mr Fly. Obviously you aren't talking about the movie post AVS's now are you?

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                                                  • foe
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • May 2002
                                                    • 5246

                                                    #26
                                                    Not true, I am developing tgp scripts now to be as automatic as possible, with non hosted random galleries. . .

                                                    just now I have it down so you can check 100 galleries basically enough to update your site daily in under 1:30. .

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                                                    • foe
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • May 2002
                                                      • 5246

                                                      #27
                                                      thats 1 minute 30 seconds for thumbed gallery tgps and improving ...

                                                      none thumbed are completley automatic.

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                                                      • Spunky
                                                        I need a beer
                                                        • Jun 2002
                                                        • 133978

                                                        #28
                                                        Sounds interesting..how much?

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                                                        • Quotealex
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Sep 2001
                                                          • 6265

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by hudson


                                                          hey The Fly...I thought pure CJ just morphed into script powered TGP after that famous post on AWI.
                                                          I thought it was the other way around. TGP morphed into CJ sites after the drop in price (or even free) of trading scripts and the availability of sponsors hosted galleries...

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                                                          • TheFLY
                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                            • Jan 2001
                                                            • 11856

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by FreeHugeMovies
                                                            Very interesting Mr Fly. Obviously you aren't talking about the movie post AVS's now are you?
                                                            I'll take your word on that one

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                                                            • TheFLY
                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                              • 11856

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by foe
                                                              Not true, I am developing tgp scripts now to be as automatic as possible, with non hosted random galleries. . .

                                                              just now I have it down so you can check 100 galleries basically enough to update your site daily in under 1:30. .
                                                              But you're a genius

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                                                              • TheFLY
                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                • Jan 2001
                                                                • 11856

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Alex from Montreal


                                                                I thought it was the other way around. TGP morphed into CJ sites after the drop in price (or even free) of trading scripts and the availability of sponsors hosted galleries...
                                                                When CJ started there were no trade scripts -- CJ was the first public trade script besides basic outstats. As far as I know, the first CJ sites were 100% blind -- no skim... and they made bank off all the non-scripted webmasters and the confoosed surfers

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                                                                • FreeHugeMovies
                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                  • Dec 2001
                                                                  • 14141

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by TheFLY


                                                                  I'll take your word on that one
                                                                  Thanks

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                                                                  • TheFLY
                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                    • 11856

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by FreeHugeMovies


                                                                    Thanks
                                                                    I don't think DeluxePass is going anywhere -- the interface is nice and they have TONS of really really nice content... Also Morpheus from 18Blowjobs pretty much assured me they they are a good company.

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                                                                    • Holly
                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                                      • 10017

                                                                      #35
                                                                      I disagree on the AVS part for two main reasons. Number one, you seem to be going on the assumption that all AVS?s are going to shut down. I think that?s yet to be determined. Sure, some smaller ones already have, and I suspect more will soon, but I haven?t seen anything definitive that says they?ll all go. And if they don?t, IMO (and a lot of others?) they?re an extremely good option, as opposed to paysites. You mentioned the hassle of tgp updates, sorting through pics, etc. Unless you?ve got a team of people doing it for you, then a paysite is going to be a lot of the same. You have to constantly have fresh, quality content or no one is going to rebill. I think that would be a lot more time consuming than AVS sites. You also don?t have to fork out the dough for the feeds, movies, chat, plat/premium content, etc. that your member gets. The AVS handles all that. You just send the traffic, sell the pass, and collect the rebills. I think it?s a very good deal, considering you don?t have any of the expense and pressure that paysite owners do. If you want to go out of town for a week - or a month- you don?t have to call a soul, tell anyone, or send out a single email. I doubt I could do that with paysites. Plus, I know more people with paysites who?ve been screwed and lost their ass in the last month with the CC deal, than I do AVS webmasters.

                                                                      Number two- you like the idea of free sites for experience and long term traffic. Well guess what? If all those AVS?s go belly up, take your script off, rearrange your banners and layout a little bit, and- voilà! You?ve got a free site. And it already has PR, bookmarkers, SE listings, and is hooked up on a hub. Just resubmit to some link lists as ?free? instead of ?AVS?.

                                                                      AVS hasn?t been way up on my list lately, but I don?t think they?re any worse off than anybody else right now. I think the VISA shaft is pretty much being equally distributed. I?ve been trying to do better with galleries, tgps, etc., just so if any one area goes bust, hopefully I?ll be able to get by with some of the others.
                                                                      War National Damn Champions Eagle

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                                                                      • foe
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • May 2002
                                                                        • 5246

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by spunky1
                                                                        Sounds interesting..how much?
                                                                        all work is private and very limited, contact me via icq if your interested

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                                                                        • foe
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • May 2002
                                                                          • 5246

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by TheFLY


                                                                          But you're a genius
                                                                          No, but my clients are still happy

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                                                                          • VirtuMike
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • May 2002
                                                                            • 2483

                                                                            #38
                                                                            There's money in just about anything if you can do it right. The guy that inspired me to greatness gave me an example of genius that I still think about from time to time. He got Richard Nixon to sign an autograph on a piece of paper. Then he typed an exact copy of Nixon's resignation around it, and suddenly he had a legitimate copy of one of the most important historic documents to ever be signed in America. That translated to money.

                                                                            Drawing on that, we can see that there is money to be made in so many ways it's mind boggling. There is money in TGP. There is money in traffic trading. There is money in AVS. You just have to do it better than anyone else. Now get back to work.

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                                                                            • Carrie
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Apr 2002
                                                                              • 3162

                                                                              #39

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                                                                              • lil2rich4u2
                                                                                ICQ: 175171926
                                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                                • 11046

                                                                                #40
                                                                                CJ does still exist very strong, i have several myself. They dont make the money a nice TGP does, but its easier to build traffic. even if it is shitty traffic.

                                                                                AVS, i agree withs omeone else above ... this is a great substitute for a paysite, i cant see the major programs going anyhwere.

                                                                                good post though .... food for thought.
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                                                                                • Snake Doctor
                                                                                  I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                                  • Mar 2001
                                                                                  • 13449

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Oh gee Fly, you're so cool. When you're done teaching us how to make money can you teach us how to get an ARS account?
                                                                                  http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...threadid=92268
                                                                                  sig too big

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                                                                                  • Snake Doctor
                                                                                    I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                                    • Mar 2001
                                                                                    • 13449

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    HELLO!! MCFLY!!!
                                                                                    sig too big

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                                                                                    • hudson
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Jul 2003
                                                                                      • 2948

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by Lenny2
                                                                                      HELLO!! MCFLY!!!
                                                                                      oh damn...when did theFly shave?

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                                                                                      • hudson
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Jul 2003
                                                                                        • 2948

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by VirtuMike
                                                                                        There's money in just about anything if you can do it right. The guy that inspired me to greatness gave me an example of genius that I still think about from time to time. He got Richard Nixon to sign an autograph on a piece of paper. Then he typed an exact copy of Nixon's resignation around it, and suddenly he had a legitimate copy of one of the most important historic documents to ever be signed in America. That translated to money.
                                                                                        super, super devious...you need to be born with a criminal mind to come up with that

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                                                                                        • hudson
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                                                          • 2948

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by TheFLY


                                                                                          When CJ started there were no trade scripts -- CJ was the first public trade script besides basic outstats. As far as I know, the first CJ sites were 100% blind -- no skim... and they made bank off all the non-scripted webmasters and the confoosed surfers
                                                                                          all I can say about CJ's and TGP's is thank god for the newsgroups

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                                                                                          • hudson
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Jul 2003
                                                                                            • 2948

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by Alex from Montreal


                                                                                            I thought it was the other way around. TGP morphed into CJ sites after the drop in price (or even free) of trading scripts and the availability of sponsors hosted galleries...
                                                                                            well, I was thinking of the famous post...I think by the shemp...on AWI, but I kind of forget...and all of the sudden every CJ turned into a semi-automated TGP.

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                                                                                            • hudson
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Jul 2003
                                                                                              • 2948

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              hey TheFLY...what about stuff like XML and RSS? You think that is ever going to fly in the adult biz?

                                                                                              from what I read, the trick is not to being doing applications but platforms where you get developers working on top of you...that ties them in and gives you long term lasting power.

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                                                                                              • TheFLY
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                                                                                                • Jan 2001
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by hudson
                                                                                                from what I read, the trick is not to being doing applications but platforms where you get developers working on top of you...that ties them in and gives you long term lasting power.
                                                                                                I agree. It's nice to build something and then just step back and watch others use it. Well a platform is always an application anyway, unless the platform is more conceptual. The platform of platforms is perhaps is the human mind -- I'd rather be working *with* people on a fair playing field rather than be a subversive middleman. Best "tie in" -- probably friendship.

                                                                                                I bet you had a specific idea in mind when you wrote that though. One project of mine that I'm not working on at the moment is a platform -- and I think if you want it to be popular you need to make it void of associations with other platforms if you want the largest audience -- BUT doing that is difficult without being boring. I've never been much for doing different versions of the same platform, even though I think that's the best way to make money. Most everything I do is a work of art so originality is very important -- duplication reduces the value of the original... Maybe draw on what binds you to your friends for platform building materials -- or draw on something that "might" bind us all together, if only we built it...

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                                                                                                • hudson
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Jul 2003
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by TheFLY


                                                                                                  I agree. It's nice to build something and then just step back and watch others use it. Well a platform is always an application anyway, unless the platform is more conceptual. The platform of platforms is perhaps is the human mind -- I'd rather be working *with* people on a fair playing field rather than be a subversive middleman. Best "tie in" -- probably friendship.

                                                                                                  I bet you had a specific idea in mind when you wrote that though. One project of mine that I'm not working on at the moment is a platform -- and I think if you want it to be popular you need to make it void of associations with other platforms if you want the largest audience -- BUT doing that is difficult without being boring. I've never been much for doing different versions of the same platform, even though I think that's the best way to make money. Most everything I do is a work of art so originality is very important -- duplication reduces the value of the original... Maybe draw on what binds you to your friends for platform building materials -- or draw on something that "might" bind us all together, if only we built it...

                                                                                                  <img src="http://familyfun.go.com/Resources/Features/Travel/famf49baseball_iowa.jpg">
                                                                                                  Nice points, TheFLY. Probably the specific idea in mind I had when I wrote that was to be an evil genius...;-)

                                                                                                  But I like your ideas maybe better...kind of like Open Source and all working together.

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                                                                                                  • teenjump
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                                                                                                    • Jul 2003
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    What's an "MGP"?

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