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what happens if/when ccbill falls?

08-05-2003, 05:13 AM

ccbill and the few others that are still up and kicking.

what happens if they should fall?

i mean, hundreds of thousands of adult sites, there must be a strong salution to the madness, or atleast a plan brewing.

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08-05-2003, 05:15 AM

then funkmaster's prediction becomes true.

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08-05-2003, 05:15 AM

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08-05-2003, 05:15 AM

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08-05-2003, 05:16 AM

there would be a mad rush to dialers ;)

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08-05-2003, 05:16 AM

Imagine how many more wars there will be when political leaders can no longer relieve their sexual tension with a good ol' wank over their favourite CCBill processed site.

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08-05-2003, 05:17 AM

Originally posted by KRL
that would have an immense impact on our world.

seriously, i know.

but assume the worst for a second, and what is the outcome you forsee?

there is no chance in hell pornsites will disapere. what is the answer to billing?

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08-05-2003, 05:17 AM

quick question, how much is an merchant account?

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08-05-2003, 05:18 AM

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that would have an immense impact on our world.

and a lot of people would make a fortune . . .

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08-05-2003, 05:18 AM

Originally posted by chowda
quick question, how much is an merchant account?

2000$

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08-05-2003, 05:19 AM

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2000$

2k + 750VISA?

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08-05-2003, 05:19 AM

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there would be a mad rush to dialers ;)

with 40% of surfers currently using cable/dsl/satalite/intranet ... this wont last long.

percent is growing daily, who the fuck wants to be on dialup anymore?

BUT ... if there were a way to bill the cable company, and have it charged per minute to the cable bill ..... mmmmm let the money roll once again!

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08-05-2003, 05:20 AM

merchant account will solve this issue?

what if one person opens a merchant acct, started a sponsor program and let everyones site in? lol

or would that be just like a billing system now ....

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08-05-2003, 05:21 AM

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08-05-2003, 05:25 AM

someone can write a custom script to allow stormpay/epassporte/etc. to handle billing with recurring, various plans, etc.

i have one for stormpay, but who knows how long they will be around as well.

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08-05-2003, 05:26 AM

maybe we should all be promoting discovery? or diner's express? hehe

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08-05-2003, 05:28 AM

Originally posted by chowda

2k + 750VISA?

i could see this happening.

According to netbilling if you got your merchant account you dont pay the $750 fee that is only for when you register with an IPSP.

The $2000 is only for the merchant account, plus you have fees to process applications etc etc.

All in all it worked out to be about $2400 or so to get started and then approx 4-5% of all your transactions if you wanted them to do some support and use their fraud DB or such.

Seems like a good solution for those who can afford a merchant account like that and definitely worth looking into with all these processors going down. At minimum look at revolving your billing with multiple 3rd party billers.

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08-05-2003, 05:31 AM

there isnt just a cost associated with a merchant account, there is also whether the bank will let you start trading with one or not, most UK banks want 3 years trading history. i only have one year, and , they might not look to well upon pornography subscriptions as the product :-(
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08-05-2003, 05:31 AM

so whats stopping someone from opening a merchant acct and doing billing for other sites.

possibly keeping a percent off the top for themselves

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08-05-2003, 05:34 AM

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2
so whats stopping someone from opening a merchant acct and doing billing for other sites.

possibly keeping a percent off the top for themselves

Probably the costs and risks involved. Now if you get caught you could lose the ability to process visa, not to mention support etc etc.

I don't know what it takes to do something like an IPSP but essentially that is what you would become, and lately looking at all the hassles these bigger guys have gone through (CCbill, Epoch, etc) it doesnt seem worth it to me. Let them deal with the headaches and just pay a percentage.

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08-05-2003, 05:47 AM

there will be less paysites cause paysite owners will have to get their own merchantaccount

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08-05-2003, 05:51 AM

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2
ccbill and the few others that are still up and kicking.

what happens if they should fall?

i mean, hundreds of thousands of adult sites, there must be a strong salution to the madness, or atleast a plan brewing.

what happens if all of a sudden the internet just explodes for no reason?
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08-05-2003, 05:57 AM

with the actual cenario, I'ts more profitable for me to only promote sponsors by many ways... than to run a paysite..

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08-05-2003, 06:05 AM

Originally posted by geps
with the actual cenario, I'ts more profitable for me to only promote sponsors by many ways... than to run a paysite..

But that is irrelevant if the paysites processor goes down, especially if you are paid through that 3rd party. A little different for the ones that pay out directly , but they need to be paid to. Either way you still rely on the processors to get paid.

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08-05-2003, 07:13 AM

Originally posted by geps
with the actual cenario, I'ts more profitable for me to only promote sponsors by many ways... than to run a paysite..

no its not.

if it were more profitable to push sponsors, nobody would open paysites.

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08-05-2003, 07:15 AM

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Probably the costs and risks involved. Now if you get caught you could lose the ability to process visa, not to mention support etc etc.

I don't know what it takes to do something like an IPSP but essentially that is what you would become, and lately looking at all the hassles these bigger guys have gone through (CCbill, Epoch, etc) it doesnt seem worth it to me. Let them deal with the headaches and just pay a percentage.

i didnt mean for an entire community, i mean say me, my friend johny, and friend fred all share a merchant acct. would help with splitting the signup fee i suppose.

i guess the same risk applies as you mentioned though, why do i want someone elses transactions going through my acct, or my transactions going through someone elses acct.

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08-05-2003, 07:26 AM

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no its not.

if it were more profitable to push sponsors, nobody would open paysites.

actually, either can be more profitable than the other. there is no set amount you make with promoting sponsors or having a paysite, so it might well be more profitable for him to promote sponsors.

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08-05-2003, 08:15 AM

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actually, either can be more profitable than the other. there is no set amount you make with promoting sponsors or having a paysite, so it might well be more profitable for him to promote sponsors.

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08-05-2003, 09:24 AM

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quick question, how much is an merchant account?

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08-05-2003, 09:32 AM

what about prepaid card for site , you are listed in a lot of sites that the prepaid card will let you hit , the sirfer gets the cards and lets say he has 100 sites to to pic from , adn what ever one he does you get paid ,,,,

so how is that for food for thought >>>>>>??????

really guys tell me what you think on this , i like to hear others and what they think , if they think a thing like this could work ?

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08-05-2003, 09:46 AM

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08-05-2003, 09:48 AM

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08-05-2003, 09:51 AM

If my main processor went tits up, I would mow grass for a living.

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08-05-2003, 10:05 AM

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08-05-2003, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by prostock
what about prepaid card for site , you are listed in a lot of sites that the prepaid card will let you hit , the sirfer gets the cards and lets say he has 100 sites to to pic from , adn what ever one he does you get paid ,,,,

so how is that for food for thought >>>>>>??????

really guys tell me what you think on this , i like to hear others and what they think , if they think a thing like this could work ?

sweet idea man, i bet with some tweaking it may even work.

if you ever decide to put it in motion, let me know please, i will add my programs

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08-05-2003, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2

sweet idea man, i bet with some tweaking it may even work.

if you ever decide to put it in motion, let me know please, i will add my programs

LilRich ,
i am for real on this me and others have talked on this a few times , and i really think there is a way to make a thing like this work ,

i know some people are going well shit it wil not work we will get fucked over and never get paid , NOT so true ,
1 the card holders that are selling these site cards will have to first place X amount in to some kind of acc that can not be touched , there is many ways to hand that part .

2 lets say you ( and again just using numbers ) have 1000 cards ,
and you are lets say set up with 100 sites for this .
ok the card cost 29.95 to the buyers , the card makers / seller gets lets say 10.00 , that is 20,00 to the site owner ,

ok so how to make sure on the cash founds , there was 1000 cards you will take 1000 x 20.00 that is the webmaster cash siting in a place that XYZ card person can not take or get out ,,,
Shit even if it was in some kind of garrantry bound there are many ways to make sure the webmasters feel safe and happy .

now you are not dealing with the charge backs , not dealing with the bull shit , the card works for 30 days or he can get a 60 or a 90 day card ,,,,,

he could get a 90 day card that lets him to 3 sites and not for 90 days ..

i think we will all have to worry if yes ccbill takes a shit , but i really think that is alot of use look hard and deep it can and will be ok .

alot of old webmasters made this shit happen to the buisness and as we all know a ton of those guys are gone .

and trust me , if i had the cash to back my self in this i would try it and do it , i think it would work and at the worse , i would end up with alot of cards that never got used it no one really ever buys them

just some food for thought

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08-05-2003, 12:06 PM

more on the thinking of this ,
damn the brain is rolling ,

and tell me what some think and lets be for real here ,

ok , i know we have to have a way that all people are trusting all
ok so , would this or could this work , you have a site even set up , the guy goes to it and buys the card , now there can be many ways that is set up , but now he isnt buying porno he is buying a more less calling card , now i know there are many sites that sell those , shit it would be the same way more lessss that people do for aol and other shit .
the guy goes and pays for his online card , and there you would need a thrid party biller , ok maybe not ,,,, it isnt the high risk thing , not the same as porno members ship ,

so come on people give some input here

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08-05-2003, 12:36 PM

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08-05-2003, 06:32 PM

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2
so whats stopping someone from opening a merchant acct and doing billing for other sites.

possibly keeping a percent off the top for themselves

That is what 3rd party processors do. However, most are registerted IPSPS and do it legally. If you are caught, you are shut down and fined usually.

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08-05-2003, 06:40 PM

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08-05-2003, 06:59 PM

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LilRich ,
i am for real on this me and others have talked on this a few times , and i really think there is a way to make a thing like this work ,

i know some people are going well shit it wil not work we will get fucked over and never get paid , NOT so true ,
1 the card holders that are selling these site cards will have to first place X amount in to some kind of acc that can not be touched , there is many ways to hand that part .

2 lets say you ( and again just using numbers ) have 1000 cards ,
and you are lets say set up with 100 sites for this .
ok the card cost 29.95 to the buyers , the card makers / seller gets lets say 10.00 , that is 20,00 to the site owner ,

ok so how to make sure on the cash founds , there was 1000 cards you will take 1000 x 20.00 that is the webmaster cash siting in a place that XYZ card person can not take or get out ,,,
Shit even if it was in some kind of garrantry bound there are many ways to make sure the webmasters feel safe and happy .

now you are not dealing with the charge backs , not dealing with the bull shit , the card works for 30 days or he can get a 60 or a 90 day card ,,,,,

he could get a 90 day card that lets him to 3 sites and not for 90 days ..

i think we will all have to worry if yes ccbill takes a shit , but i really think that is alot of use look hard and deep it can and will be ok .

alot of old webmasters made this shit happen to the buisness and as we all know a ton of those guys are gone .

and trust me , if i had the cash to back my self in this i would try it and do it , i think it would work and at the worse , i would end up with alot of cards that never got used it no one really ever buys them

just some food for thought

lol prostock, didnt need to go into detail.

all you have to do is say "selling membership cards to a network of sites" and the rest is common sense.

The only thing i didnt understand, is why we would need 100% reserves. not too sure how many people would go for that.

as i said i like the idea. kind of the same thing as swoit, one membership buys all.

It would be important to have a site for every niche, so the card can be pushed to all niches.

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08-05-2003, 07:46 PM

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lol prostock, didnt need to go into detail.

all you have to do is say "selling membership cards to a network of sites" and the rest is common sense.

The only thing i didnt understand, is why we would need 100% reserves. not too sure how many people would go for that.

as i said i like the idea. kind of the same thing as swoit, one membership buys all.

It would be important to have a site for every niche, so the card can be pushed to all niches.

you ask why the 100 % ,,,, well that is to make god damn sure they trust you to let them know for damn sure they will get there cash . i think it should be the same with the ccbilling people , my god looks at the cash they have fucked over people over of . so many kinds of buisness out there you have to have a BOND so if and when yuo fuck over people they will still get there cash , why the fuck dont a ccbilling place have to have the same ! they should have to have it no matter what

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08-06-2003, 12:03 AM

Originally posted by prostock

you ask why the 100 % ,,,, well that is to make god damn sure they trust you to let them know for damn sure they will get there cash . i think it should be the same with the ccbilling people , my god looks at the cash they have fucked over people over of . so many kinds of buisness out there you have to have a BOND so if and when yuo fuck over people they will still get there cash , why the fuck dont a ccbilling place have to have the same ! they should have to have it no matter what

I totally agree. Third Party Billing Companies cover their asses by holding a reserve (ironically, one of the reasons is just in case *WE* were to suddenly disappear and/or close our sites without warning!) Yet we are given absolutely no assurance in return. We are expected to trust them with all of our money and have blind faith that they are giving us accurate, honest data regarding the number of sign-ups and that we will be paid.

We are treated as fools.
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08-06-2003, 12:10 AM

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2

with 40% of surfers currently using cable/dsl/satalite/intranet ... this wont last long.

percent is growing daily, who the fuck wants to be on dialup anymore?

BUT ... if there were a way to bill the cable company, and have it charged per minute to the cable bill ..... mmmmm let the money roll once again!

I can't believe this thread got this long and no one corrected this one.

Rich, there *are* broadband dialers and they've been around since broadband has.
The surfer picks up his phone, calls a number. He hears a 'pin code' from the other end of the line and instructions to leave his phone off of the hook (connected to the place he dialed in to) for as long as he wants to surf.
On his screen, there's a little form for him to enter his 'pin code'. He enters it and is given access to the site.
He surfs for as long as he wants, when he's finished, he hangs up the phone.
And his access to the site is immediately terminated as soon as he hangs up.

Charges are billed to his phone bill. No dial-up modems are involved... it's all done via broadband and a simple phone call.
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08-06-2003, 04:29 AM

Originally posted by hvidlogspusher
there will be less paysites cause paysite owners will have to get their own merchantaccount

looks like our nearest future

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