Why does Americans need guns?

Well for one when you call the cops by the time they get here you are already dead.

I do think DC is the most dangerous place to live overall, not 100% sure.

Most people die in this country because that are either, very fat, just stupid, or they are old and that is what old people do.

I personally have a gun. Ok more than one gun. I have a shotgun for home defense, and some hunting riffles.

The fact that Sweden hasn't put a decent army in the field since Peter the Great proves that Swedes can't shoot guns. You people should stick to Bikini Team competitions and Gooseberry crepes.

Americans kill better than anyone else. We shoot each other to keep in practise till the next war.

to shoot british tourists... some times there is just too many of them.. so we have to take a few out, to thin the herds

The swiss do have that cool ass knife, and I am sure plenty of people in the states have been murdered with one of its many nifty attachments.

Because weed is legal over there...and here its not!

hahaahahah

and, if Americans ever started to think for themselves, its easier to unseat authority when everyone in the country is able to vote with a bullet.

What you gonna do in Sweden if a despot takes over? Not a god damn thing except grab your ankles and pretend its 1760.

And Id love to see an invading army try to roll through any American city. Wolveriiiiines

we don't need proper grammar either.

guns don't kill people, people do.

you can make guns illegal in the states and crime would actually get worse.

Swiss = Switzerland
Swedes = Sweden

Big difference.

How?? Why?

because the only people who will have guns will be criminals.

You think a bunch of crazy ******s are gonna turn in their guns? Newsflash, 99% of crazy ******s with guns arent supposed to have guns in the first place.

Gun control laws will only keep lawful citizens from getting guns.

Watch Bowling for Columbine

I did. What now?

I still love my guns.

All it did was point out what I already know. Americans are largely idiots.

This is what happens when you give idiots guns. If we can live with it, why cant some kid in the Netherlands live with it?

exactly....will make it easy for the criminals to get guns and the lawful citizens not be able to..fuck that!
We have 4 guns in our household at the moment..

plus if we couldnt hunt the animals would take over the land..yikes

Max you need to check out the per capita murder rates WorldWide with a gun before you ask the USA about it? If you are afraid of the states then stay out. Simple as that. We are not the bloodlusting crankheads that alot of other parts of the World thinks we are.

But there are a few differences, Ummm your country fits into many of our states... we have cities with as many people as you WHOLE country.

Now take the percentages of dopeheads, nuts and just other whackos that ARE a WorldWide average and the number of Police versus areas they cover that we have and you might grasp the idea that a .38 under the pillow for a last chance defense after the burglar alarm, the outside lights and the dog might have failed.

So in your way of thinking then murder is murder, so MANY otgher things should be taken away. Now trot out to the yard, I want ALL of the rocks dug up and removed to a depth of 20 feet. After all they are even more accessible and common than guns. Don't forget the car, wood of any kind and your silverware. Wait, the plates gotta go too. Use paper and eat with your fingers, and then is those gawdawful metal contraptions to cook in... Hmmm my brother being a Larger than normal man... better dispose of the stove as well. He could hit you with that.

Oh no, a guy was just killed with a hammer locally. Carpenters bring your tools in. And 5 others were killed in their sleep by some dirtbag setting fire to their apartment building.

to destroy shit and blow things up.

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criminals have less to fear. it comes down to the culture. america is a fairly violent place.

Now nothing.

I love guns too, I own an airgun because that's the only legal gun in Holland. I'd own a Kalashnikov if it was allowed, but I'm glad it's not.

Too many idiots, too many deaths each year. Besides, you don't have to be an idiot to have an accident happen...

Great Thread. I was just reading this article today:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/lott/lott11.html

People fear guns. And with so many horrific news stories about gun crimes, it is hard to expect them to feel otherwise. True, guns make it easier for bad things to happen, but they also make it easier for people to protect themselves.

Yet, with the seeming avalanche of bad news, it's no wonder people find it hard to believe that, according to some estimates, there are 2 million defensive gun uses each year and guns are used defensively four times more frequently than they are to commit crimes.

The normal reaction is: If defensive uses were really happening, wouldn't we hear about them on the news? There is a good reason for their confusion. In 2001 (the last year available), ABC, CBS and NBC ran 190,000 words' worth of gun-crime stories on their morning and evening national news broadcasts. But they ran not a single story mentioning a private citizen using a gun to stop a crime. The only network I could find that ran any defensive gun-use stories was the Fox News Channel.

The print media were almost as lopsided: The New York Times ran 50,745 words on gun crimes, but only one short (163-word) story on a retired police officer who used his gun to stop a robbery. For USA Today, the tally was 5,660 words on gun crimes versus zero on defensive uses.

Part of the reason defensive gun use isn't covered may be simple news judgment. If a news editor faces two stories, one with a dead body on the ground and another in which a woman brandished a gun and the attacker ran away, no shots fired, almost anyone would pick the first story as more newsworthy. It has been estimated that when people use guns defensively, 90 percent of the time they stop the criminals simply by brandishing the gun.

Few people know that citizens using guns help stop about a third of potential public-school shootings before uniformed police can arrive. They don't know this because only about one percent of the media stories on these cases mention it.

Take the widely covered attack last year at the Appalachian School of Law in Virginia. The attack was stopped by two students who got guns from their cars. But only three news stories ? out of 218 run in the week after the attack ? mentioned that the students actually used their guns to halt the attack.

The unbalanced reporting is probably greatest in cases in which children die from accidental gunshots. Most people have seen the public-service ads with pictures or voices of children between the ages of four and eight, never over the age of eight, and the impression is that there is an epidemic of accidental deaths involving children.

The truth is that in 1999, 31 children younger than 10 died from an accidental gunshot and only six of these cases appear to have involved another child under 10 as the culprit. Nor was this year unusual. Any death is tragic, but with 90-some million Americans owning guns and about 40 million children younger than 10, it is hard to think of any other product in the home that represents such a low risk to children. Indeed, more children under five drowned in bathtubs or plastic water buckets.

Gun deaths are covered extensively as well as prominently, with individual cases getting up to 88 separate news stories. In contrast, when children use guns to save lives, the event might at most get one brief mention in a small local paper.

As a couple of reporters told me, journalists are uncomfortable printing such positive gun stories because they worry that it will encourage children to get access to guns. The whole process snowballs, however, because the exaggeration of the risks ? along with lack of coverage of the benefits ? cements the perceived risks more and more firmly in newspaper editors' and reporters' minds. This makes them ever more reluctant to publish such stories.

Lack of balance dominates not just the media but also government reports and polling. Studies by the Justice and Treasury Departments have long evaluated just the cost guns impose on society. Every year, Treasury puts out a report on the top 10 guns used in crime, and each report serves as the basis for dozens of news stories. But why not also provide a report ? at least once ? on the top 10 guns used defensively? Similarly, numerous government reports estimate the cost of injuries from guns, but none measures the number of injuries prevented when guns are used defensively.

But if we really want to save lives, we need to address the whole truth about guns ? including the costs of not owning them. We never, for example, hear about the families who couldn't defend themselves and were harmed because they didn't have guns.

Discussing only the costs of guns and not their benefits poses the real threat to public safety as people make mistakes on how best to defend themselves and their families.

August 2, 2003

If this post wasn't signed "Giorgio_Xo" I'd swear it was said by George S. Patton.

In all seriousness.

What happens if you are caught with a gun in the Netherlands?

Nobody can have a gun? Hunters? Gunsmiths? Collectors?

I bet you have more stabbings in the Netherlands than we have. Id rather be shot than stabbed multiple times.

I was serious... it's a pretty cool gun too, the most powerful allowed

Anyway, you can have a gun but you need a license. A shop in my hometown sells different things, from magnums to semi-automatic weapons. You need to join a gun club first, learn to shoot with a gun from the club, then after a year they give you a sheet that you can take to the police. They'll then track your history and if you're clean you get a gun permit.

Still, the rules are very strict. I like guns but I don't need a real one - Holland is very safe overall, a gun would only increase my risk... The second you pull it, the situation always escalates and puts you in a lot of risk, so that's why I'm against private gun ownership.

That, and the idiot part.

Yeah I know..it's probably the per capita thing..big cities with many diffrent cultures and races make more murderer..??? is that wrong.., If I was Bush I whould say to the nation(lol), no more guns people, we need to learn karate..so next time it's karate vs. karate instead of gun vs. gun...if you understand what I meen..you are afraid of guns so you buy a gun. yourself..

well if you know how to aim the situation should be over

Actually, it begins there.

Great read, I knew a lot of this but needed my memory re-freshed.

I'd only call a cop to clear a body off my property. Cop's here tend to have god complexes, fuck em. I'll guard my own shit, they can guard a donut store. I don't need a fucking babysitter.

My feeling is that in sweden we got criminals too that have guns..but they don't go to our homes with a big shotgun and try to rubber us...they rubber a bank or something instead..

if they even exist..maybe some AKs not shotguns..

maybe an AK on 100000 people..serious. The thing is..
really crazy people is rare here..

There is a higher killing rate on a daily basis in the US than Iraq

There is also a much higher prison population (pro rata) in the US than any other western country.

I know damned well that what reaches the "news" about "violence" in the US ain't a patch on what happens on a daily basis.

Overall? Just a "fuck you Jack, I'm OK" cultureless society that lives off "plastic" and eats it all day long! When you have one halfwit pointing a gun at another halfwit - one of em has to be good with a gun

Alrighty then, the end with the hole, point that away from you.

If you got the end with the hole pointed away from you, I bet your in control of the situation.

I guess you don't live in Malmo

These fucking foreigner families are crazy. Family fights every week, it seems like.
100 people beating each other up with baseball bats, sticks, knives and whatever they can find.

US Population: 280 million
Iraq Population: 25 million

Go figure.

Statistics have shown that people who own and carry guns have a much higher risk to ever become the victim of violence related to it.

Whether you shoot someone in a fury, an accident happens or someone tries to take you out, it's a risk you're in when you carry a gun.

I've read a lot of statistics about this, but I don't know the exact numbers off the top of my head.

I think he said killing rate.

If I was Bush I whould say to the nation(lol), no more guns people, we need to learn karate..

I live with a very skilled martial artist... but Bruce Lee said it way back, a 357 cancels Karate or something like that. I'm female, in my 40's and oops, a trained machinist and now I know how to mix the things to make gunpowder...

Problem being is that you don't NEED to buy a gun, you can make one very easily incuding the bullets. You can make a blade from almost anything...

But Bush etc could cry all he wants and not all guns would ever make it to the melters. More would simply be smuggled in as would more small machine shops see a great way to make monies.


Look up the murder rates per capita for Brazilian cites or the lesser Antilles Islands and many other places in the World. Look at the actual number PER 100.000 peoples. Thats not just for guns but for ALL murder rates. Too many like to point out the murder by gun while they ignore the cars that are intentionally ran over people, poisons, knives. simple trash bags over someones head that is passed out etc etc etc.

Did you notice that other countries such as (in example Iraq) that when they said Oh yeah TURN IN YOUR GUNS... did they? Nope. Seems that only the Ozzies did for the most part but I wouldn't care to bet that more were held back than is known there.

Ganjasaurus:

Yea.. I was waiting for that one! It was not intended to be a serious comparison

But suppose it does show how prominent Iraq violence is in the media in comparison with the violence in the US.

[QUOTE]I guess you don't live in Malmo

These fucking foreigner families are crazy. Family fights every week, it seems like.
100 people beating each other up with baseball bats, sticks, knives and whatever they can find.[QUOTE]

Yes - that's the problem. We Scandinavians might be talking about how it was yesterday. There are some uncanny things happening.

Anyhow - I simply couldn't live in USA. In my opinion, it's a fucked-up country. Charming at times, lots of enthusiasm and stuff - but oh - the violence, the hypocrisy, the go-fuck-yourself mentality that permeates the whole society.

Yes - that's the problem. We Scandinavians might be talking about how it was yesterday. There are some uncanny things happening.

Anyhow - I simply couldn't live in USA. In my opinion, it's a fucked-up country. Charming at times, lots of enthusiasm and stuff - but oh - the violence, the hypocrisy, the go-fuck-yourself mentality that permeates the whole society

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Maru

Anyhow - I simply couldn't live in USA. In my opinion, it's a fucked-up country. Charming at times, lots of enthusiasm and stuff - but oh - the violence, the hypocrisy, the go-fuck-yourself mentality that permeates the whole society.

You don't go outside much do you?

Ever been to the US?

Sweden doesn't share a border with Canada either, or all of you would own multiple firearms.

You never know what they are going to do next, and better to be prepared.

go-fuck-yourself

I said LIVE - not travel.

And yes - I know there are many great people in USA . I just don't like the way the American society works.

..I belive it's more shit down there..is it like 50% foreigners there or something? nothing against them but when they don't want to learn shit and got a bad ass attitude they can go home..I live in Umeå.

why cant foreigners speak english?

there arent any shootings because you fucks dont have guns....

and remember what continent your saviors in WWII came from.

get a gun then you can shoot before they shoot you.

and quit your whining your fucking pussy.

Ghettos.

I'm 34 and never known a damned person that was shot. Don't hang out with poor stupid people. It's a lethal combination. They WILL get you killed.