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Acacia & CECASH.com VS. impai.org/homegrownvideo.com? WTF!!??

07-30-2003, 01:39 AM

Looking back through some past threads http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ghlight=acacia CECASH.com has settled with acacia. Ok fair enough... but what's the deal with the so called leader of impai.org doing biz with CECASH.com still?

go to http://cecash.com/ and choose "our websites" then choose Amateur, and you will see homegrownvideo.com there....

(homegrownvideo.com) [email protected] as posted on the http://www.impai.org page is collecting OUR donations and PAYING acacia money thru cecash.com be it donations/profits/or past arrangement with cecash.com we want to fight them with but these people are doing biz with them!!!! WTF?

In my book this is bullshit and homegrownvideo should STOP dealing with someone who has settled with acacia and if they are serous on "leading" this fight and taking our money to fight do it all the way!
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07-30-2003, 01:40 AM

And why do you think CeCash has settled?

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07-30-2003, 01:43 AM

LOS ANGELES - CECash has agreed to a licensing deal with Acacia Media Technologies

check the link... looks like they did...
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07-30-2003, 01:48 AM

Do you guys live under rocks?
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07-30-2003, 01:49 AM

In Todays News:

Hitler has now invaded Poland
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07-30-2003, 01:50 AM

CECash is allegedly donating a lot of money to the fight against the patent, according to Ron Levy.

Even though they settled, the IMPA needs money to fight the bogus patent.

I don't agree with CE making a deal with Acacia, but I think it's great they are putting a lot of money into the fight against the patent.

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07-30-2003, 02:07 AM

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07-30-2003, 02:22 AM

Hitler can have Poland.. I dont think he will go any further..

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07-30-2003, 03:05 AM

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And why do you think CeCash has settled?

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07-30-2003, 04:46 AM

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In Todays News:

Hitler has now invaded Poland

... oh my god, I hope the USA will help the french ... they are next on the list !!
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07-30-2003, 04:49 AM

CECASH is still doing alot more to help impai.org than most webmasters are

Just because they made a settlement doesn't mean they agree with it,, their fighting it all the way
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07-30-2003, 04:54 AM

Originally posted by playa
CECASH is still doing alot more to help impai.org than most webmasters are

Just because they made a settlement doesn't mean they agree with it,, their fighting it all the way

Now thats what I am talking about

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07-30-2003, 04:54 AM

C'mon guys, it's not like this is going to turn into a world war or anything, sheesh. It's just Germany and Poland... leave 'em alone.
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07-30-2003, 05:17 AM

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C'mon guys, it's not like this is going to turn into a world war or anything, sheesh. It's just Germany and Poland... leave 'em alone.

If it does it'll be over by Christmas anyway.

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07-30-2003, 06:36 AM

If any of you people read Acacia's quarterly report they made a grand total of $19,000 on licensing fees. THAT's why the terms of CECash's settlement weren't disclosed, it's because the numbers were so tiny, surely to get the attention of the rest of us.

If they offered you a settlement for a thousand dollars total would you take it or would you risk millions to fight a federally issued patent? They are doing what they feel necessary to continue operations in the future. Granted, they did sell out, but the damage was VERY minimal. The most damage they did to the IMPA is appearing like acacia beat them. It's quite the opposite. And if you've ever had to go to court, $19,000 disappears in a couple days at most. And that's the TOTAL amount Acacia made last quarter on licensing.

While I don't approve of the settlement on a large scale, it's their decision, and they're putting significantly more money against them than they did to side with them. They just created their backup plan and it was cheap.

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07-30-2003, 07:05 AM

It's just Germany and Poland... leave 'em alone.

But their Pollocks!! They are bound to shoot the wrong way then the next thing you know, Belarus will be in this.

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07-30-2003, 07:14 AM

Originally posted by funkmaster

... oh my god, I hope the USA will help the french ... they are next on the list !!

don't worry about the French, they are a very proud and brave people. If Mr. Hitler has any thoughts of attacking the French he is in for one rude awakening.

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07-30-2003, 07:28 AM

Funny... but the other day we were all commenting on Spike's "Churchillesque" resolve...

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07-30-2003, 07:37 AM

Originally posted by VirtuMike
If any of you people read Acacia's quarterly report they made a grand total of $19,000 on licensing fees. THAT's why the terms of CECash's settlement weren't disclosed, it's because the numbers were so tiny, surely to get the attention of the rest of us.

...

While I don't approve of the settlement on a large scale, it's their decision, and they're putting significantly more money against them than they did to side with them. They just created their backup plan and it was cheap.

Won't the settlement appear in next quarter's earnings report? The settlement was in July, the quarter ended June 30th.

 
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07-30-2003, 07:39 AM

my guess is few older companies would really want to be dragged through court.

digging those old pics up might not be the best for the people who attended that oparty ;)

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07-30-2003, 07:44 AM

CECash is under a confidentiality agreement with Acacia. It is for that reason I can't respond. You folks will be in for quite a surprise when the truth comes out.

So keep spinning your fairy tales.
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07-30-2003, 08:32 AM

Well all you doves make it seem as if we'll never enter this little european power play. Let's see what happens when I turn the oil to Japan off, eh...

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07-30-2003, 08:33 AM

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Well all you doves make it seem as if we'll never enter this little european power play. Let's see what happens when I turn the oil to Japan off, eh...

Deepsy1 did that last month.
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07-30-2003, 08:36 AM

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But their Pollocks!! They are bound to shoot the wrong way then the next thing you know, Belarus will be in this.

A Pollock is a fish... You're obviously a polack.
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07-30-2003, 08:42 AM

wow....6 years in the biz and I'm not one to bitch or slam but WTF:

Went to impa site to make a donation. Of course a little info about the case, how it effects us, what they're doing with the money would be nice....nope!

Just links to send money and a quicky page that took 2 minutes to build. IMPA's been promoting "give me money" for a few weeks, they need to do better than this....when they do, I'll donate

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07-30-2003, 08:47 AM

I've been told that the site is ready to go live except for being vetted by their counsel. They're probably more anxious than we are to open the doors but you just can't hurry those lawyers along...

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07-30-2003, 09:05 AM

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don't worry about the French, they are a very proud and brave people. If Mr. Hitler has any thoughts of attacking the French he is in for one rude awakening.
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07-30-2003, 09:18 AM

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wow....6 years in the biz and I'm not one to bitch or slam but WTF:

Went to impa site to make a donation. Of course a little info about the case, how it effects us, what they're doing with the money would be nice....nope!

Just links to send money and a quicky page that took 2 minutes to build. IMPA's been promoting "give me money" for a few weeks, they need to do better than this....when they do, I'll donate

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07-30-2003, 09:24 AM

Originally posted by Darkystar
Looking back through some past threads http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ghlight=acacia CECASH.com has settled with acacia. Ok fair enough... but what's the deal with the so called leader of impai.org doing biz with CECASH.com still?

go to http://cecash.com/ and choose "our websites" then choose Amateur, and you will see homegrownvideo.com there....

(homegrownvideo.com) [email protected] as posted on the http://www.impai.org page is collecting OUR donations and PAYING acacia money thru cecash.com be it donations/profits/or past arrangement with cecash.com we want to fight them with but these people are doing biz with them!!!! WTF?

In my book this is bullshit and homegrownvideo should STOP dealing with someone who has settled with acacia and if they are serous on "leading" this fight and taking our money to fight do it all the way!

CE has been reselling Spike's content for "a long time". I don't think it's fair that he give it up cuz FM made a "business decision". We don't know why he did and it's none of our business actually.

And just to put in a disclaimer about the company I work for, CE resells our content too. Thought I should say that in order to be fair.....

Lastly...........ACACIA FUCKING SUCKS !!

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07-30-2003, 09:28 AM

Originally posted by fantasyman
CECash is under a confidentiality agreement with Acacia. It is for that reason I can't respond. You folks will be in for quite a surprise when the truth comes out.

So keep spinning your fairy tales.

Fantasyman, I'm not 100% sure if I should like the sound of that quote, or not....

By the truth coming out, do you mean the truth about CECash doing nothing about ACACIA, or the truth about What ACACIA is
coming forwards with?

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07-30-2003, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by magnatique

Fantasyman, I'm not 100% sure if I should like the sound of that quote, or not....

By the truth coming out, do you mean the truth about CECash doing nothing about ACACIA, or the truth about What ACACIA is
coming forwards with?

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07-30-2003, 10:41 AM

I agree with fantasy man,

We're all confused about this whole deal and nobody is sure about the outcome of this situation. We should all do what we think is best and once the smoke has gone we'll se who was right and who was wrong.

We are all here to make money and not to make war! (at least not with each other) If in the end I'll discover that i have to pay Acacisux because of fantasy man I'll boycott him for life but for now there is no reason to assume that he actually sold out or fucked us. Why would he pay money to someone without a reason and ruin his rep at the same time??

I think it is not a good idea to judge people at this moment, it might even be Acacisux strategy to divide us into groups....

(to stay on the current topic think about the early success of Hitler: he knew how to let people believe what he wanted them to believe, that was his power!
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07-30-2003, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by extreme hardcore
I agree with fantasy man,

We're all confused about this whole deal and nobody is sure about the outcome of this situation. We should all do what we think is best and once the smoke has gone we'll se who was right and who was wrong.

We are all here to make money and not to make war! (at least not with each other) If in the end I'll discover that i have to pay Acacisux because of fantasy man I'll boycott him for life but for now there is no reason to assume that he actually sold out or fucked us. Why would he pay money to someone without a reason and ruin his rep at the same time??

I think it is not a good idea to judge people at this moment, it might even be Acacisux strategy to divide us into groups....

(to stay on the current topic think about the early success of Hitler: he knew how to let people believe what he wanted them to believe, that was his power!

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07-30-2003, 12:15 PM

Originally posted by fantasyman

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07-30-2003, 12:17 PM

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07-30-2003, 01:04 PM

I am sorry for the delays on the IMPA website but we have many considerations in order to make sure that we are doing everything by the book. We will have the site up and start generating press material asap.

We are quite happy with our progress and the IMPA is not just about Acacia but has many issues that it is addressing on the behalf of web businesses, including copyright and DRM litigation issues to name a couple of important ones...

However, we will look forward to providing as much information as possible on the site and help to answer some of the most common questions about the IMPA, Acacia, and our other concerns.

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07-30-2003, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by PhotoGreggXXX
wow....6 years in the biz and I'm not one to bitch or slam but WTF:

Went to impa site to make a donation. Of course a little info about the case, how it effects us, what they're doing with the money would be nice....nope!

Just links to send money and a quicky page that took 2 minutes to build. IMPA's been promoting "give me money" for a few weeks, they need to do better than this....when they do, I'll donate

Sounds right to me too.
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07-30-2003, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by fantasyman

The truth about what CECash is doing, it's far from what Webmasters are speculating, can't say any more than this.

oh, OK

good news then I always respected your doings through the past 5 years, so good news

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07-30-2003, 02:07 PM

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oh, OK

good news then I always respected your doings through the past 5 years, so good news

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08-14-2003, 07:02 AM

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I've been told that the site is ready to go live except for being vetted by their counsel. They're probably more anxious than we are to open the doors but you just can't hurry those lawyers along...

Being an individual, i can say and do what i want, so i opened up http://www.FightThisPatent.com

to share info on the various patent issues like Acacia.

get informed, get mad, help find prior art.

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08-14-2003, 07:07 AM

Originally posted by FightThisPatent

Being an individual, i can say and do what i want, so i opened up http://www.FightThisPatent.com

to share info on the various patent issues like Acacia.

get informed, get mad, help find prior art.

Fight the Patent!

keywords ... "being an individual" ...
translation "arms length and not tongued tied by lawyers"...

There's nothing wrong with two websites ...
finding this "prior art" seems to be the key
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08-14-2003, 07:11 AM

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keywords ... "being an individual" ...
translation "arms length and not tongued tied by lawyers"...

There's nothing wrong with two websites ...
finding this "prior art" seems to be the key

the only tongue-tying that could stop me, is my own foot in my mouth.... which costs alot less than lawyers

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08-14-2003, 07:14 AM

Originally posted by FightThisPatent

the only tongue-tying that could stop me, is my own foot in my mouth.... which costs alot less than lawyers

You're doing an awesome job.
Just awesome.
The type of person to better run my site.

Just a suggestion ...
take donations on FightThisPatent.com specifically for the person who finds this "prior art". Publish the "reward" fund on the site?

It's amazing what will happen - who will crank up their old 286's and other when $10K USD is on the line.
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08-14-2003, 07:18 AM

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Just a suggestion ...
take donations on FightThisPatent.com specifically for the person who finds this "prior art". Publish the "reward" fund on the site?

Good suggestion, but before you offer a big reward for something like that you better make sure it covers everything you need it to cover - or, have several rewards, a % of the pool or something because Acacia has a lot of claims listed within those few patents.
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08-14-2003, 07:37 AM

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Good suggestion, but before you offer a big reward for something like that you better make sure it covers everything you need it to cover - or, have several rewards, a % of the pool or something because Acacia has a lot of claims listed within those few patents.

This concept of rewarding for finding prior art was done by BountyQuest.com (now dead). The site was created by a bunch of patent attorneys with $1M investment from Jeff Bezos and $1M from Tim O'Reilly.

You can check out the website via the Wayback Machine, by going to http://www.archive.org , search for www.bountyquest.com

The site offered bounties (ie $10K+) for people who were judged to have found prior art. I think that companies that were involved in lawsuits put up the bounty, and then the website took a "commission" piece.

I am personally involved in this (with no compensation), just because it these patents are wrong, and i do realize the work that we all do to discover prior art does help the attorneys, but it also directly supports the companies being sued.

I am not sure how i feel about putting up a reward/bounty system (it did cross my mind last night)

Besides the issue of who pays the money (ie. accept donations from concerned webmasters who feel they way they can help is to contribute $ to this reward or the attornies/companies involved with a lawsuit), then there is the need to reconcile which leads that the attorney's felt helped the case.

If the attorneys/company were offering the reward, then you get into a gray area where they are the ones that decide if a prior art lead helped them out and maybe they would say a lead helped a little, but not enough, etc, etc...

If the reward money was independent of them, then they would probably be more forthcoming to point out which leads did help them, even if the leads were duplicated to their efforts.. then some kind of % split of the reward could be done.

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08-14-2003, 04:28 PM

Let me set the record straight about Homegrownvideo and Ce's affiliation. We have a marketing relationship with Ron to market Homegrownvideo.com through Homegrown Cash. It has been an ongoing relationship for the last 4 years. Homegrown Content is marketed and maintained by us separately.

I have no position on their settlement but, let me make it perfectly clear we did not settle, further we specifically requested that Homegrownvideo not be included in their settlement. It has also been represented to me that none of our affiliates were given to Acacia.

Due to my position with the IMPA and the defense group I have stepped back from the day to day dealings with the above mentioned deal. Further in reference to the allegation that the IMPA is funneling money to Acacia via CE this is crazy.

IMPA can only deal with Acacia in ways that benefit the web community as a whole. This could include the collection of prior art and paying for the attorneys time on things that benefit the webmaster community as a whole. The remainder of the litigation costs which include fillings, court time, discovery, status conferences etc have been paid for by the companies that are in the defense group. For more info on what we are doing you can ask Jeff Miller our CFO who can shed light on specific financial questions.
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08-14-2003, 04:36 PM

That sexeducation guy is no smarter today than he was a week ago. Geez.

And didn't I just read where TNC (CE's parent company) is either attempting to get or has gotten a preliminary motion AGAINST Acacia media for being a bunch of lying weasels?
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08-14-2003, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by fantasyman
CECash is under a confidentiality agreement with Acacia. It is for that reason I can't respond. You folks will be in for quite a surprise when the truth comes out.

So keep spinning your fairy tales.

Someone forgot to tell Acacia about the confidentiality agreement
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08-14-2003, 09:59 PM

Here ye, hear ye!

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