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  • D-Money
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Feb 2002
    • 9716

    #1

    Acacia agrees to come on the D$ Show next week

    Our show yesterday was about the Acacia patent. I tried to contact them in advance to see if they'd be a guest on the show, but I didn't hear back from them until today.

    We had Spike & JMM on yesterday discussing their side, they answered lot's of great questions, awesome show, great turn out.

    It would be totally unfair to not have Acacia on the show to discuss their side.

    Usually our shows are on wednesdays, but I'm flying that day. I'll probably do the show on Tuesday @ 1:00 pacific / 4:00 eastern, as long as Dokk is cool with the day change. I'll know shortly.

    I'm letting everyone know this far in advance so you can get your questions ready. You can post specific questions in this thread and I'll try my best to read them while Robert Berman is on the phone, live.

    Everyone has opinions and views about whether they're right or wrong. Whether they'll lose in court or win. But as of now, they hold the patent.

    Thoughts? Comments? Questions?
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  • Fletch XXX
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    • Jan 2002
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    #2
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    • Kimmykim
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      #3
      Cool beans, since I'm flying Wednesday too.

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      • AcidMax
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        #4
        Are they going to serve you papers live on the air? Just figured I would ask since they feel they own the rights to basically anything streaming.
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        • rooster
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          • Jan 2003
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          #5
          I think its a waste of time. By having him on your basically saying the guy is credible and they have a case.

          Thats like haveing steve cohen come on in 98 and explain why he has a right to every domain with 'sex' in it.
          Ever notice that pretty much everything added to the Constitution after the original was a mistake.

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          • KRL
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            • Oct 2002
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            #6
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            • mastamindz
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              • Feb 2002
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              #7
              You should set up a video stream for the show.
              If you click here, you will make money.

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              • asneed
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                • May 2003
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                #8
                Here is my question to ask them: "What about internet streaming radio broadcasts like the one you are participating in now? Do I owe you any money? I'll write the check out right now."
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                • Sly_RJ
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                  • Feb 2002
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                  #9
                  Have they served the D-Money show yet? They shouldn't be on. They're trying to take you down and you want their side of the story. Heh.
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                  • juicylinks
                    So Fucking Banned
                    • Apr 2001
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                    #10
                    Cut htere balls off please and mail them to me so i can hang em from my rearview mirror

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                    • ytcracker
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                      • Dec 2002
                      • 12403

                      #11
                      as rage against the machine stated, "know your enemy".

                      frankly though, i think that if i had the patent the same way they do, i would go after everyone i possibly could as well.
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                      • Pornkings
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                        #12
                        I'm sure its gonna be a good show

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                        • nuclei
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                          • May 2001
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by mastamindz
                          You should set up a video stream for the show.

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                          • cash69
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                            • Oct 2002
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                            #14
                            i wouldn't be at the show with them.. they are marked for death by alot of people.. wouldnt want to get in the way of fire

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                            • BRISK
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                              • Feb 2003
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                              #15
                              some mainstream radio streaming sites settled with Acacia last year
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                              • Zoe
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                                • Feb 2003
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by AcidMax
                                Are they going to serve you papers live on the air? Just figured I would ask since they feel they own the rights to basically anything streaming.

                                HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

                                That is the funniest thing on Acacia so far today !!

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                                • richard
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                                  • Feb 2001
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                                  #17
                                  make sure you've got enough bandwidth to cover it

                                  got a feeling a few people will tune in

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                                  • nuclei
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                                    • May 2001
                                    • 1015

                                    #18
                                    Hey D-Money, ask him what he plans on doing when some of us show that we were streaming vids in the 80's on our BBS's...

                                    Just a tad before his patents time
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                                    • D-Money
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                                      • Feb 2002
                                      • 9716

                                      #19
                                      Well, whether I do the show with streaming video or in streaming audio, it's the same according to their patent.

                                      Will they serve me papers during the show? I doubt it. I was already sent a letter, though it was sent to The Players Ball and not D$ Show. But I figure once they see I actually link the Players Ball to the D$ Show, same thing.

                                      I think we should all hear what he has to say, as we heard what the IMPA has to say.

                                      So, get your questions ready and I'll ask them.
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                                      • MetaMan
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                                        #20
                                        greedy lil fucks,
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                                        • NetRodent
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                                          #21
                                          Ask Berman et al, the following

                                          1. How can you morally justify the actions taken by Acacia to obtain and attempt to enforce their patents on digital audio and video?

                                          2. Do you actually feel that Acacia invented this technology? If, so what makes the patented methods different from the mountains of prior art?

                                          3. When will you be suing Microsoft, Real, Apple, and AOL? Surely
                                          those companies are gross infringers of your patents.
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                                          • Mr.Fiction
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                                            • Feb 2002
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                                            #22
                                            If you get them on the show then ask them hard questions. Don't be a pussy and kiss their asses.

                                            These guys are trying to ruin your friend's lives, don't be "nice" to them.
                                            Last edited by Mr.Fiction; 07-24-2003, 01:39 PM.
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                                            • SetTheWorldonFire
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                                              #23
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                                              • Darren
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                                                • Sep 2001
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                                                #24
                                                Question:

                                                Why if only 8% of my business is made from sites which as videos on it should I pay 2% gross on my entire businesses sales?

                                                Question 2:

                                                Why is it gross profit and NOT net profit?

                                                Question 3:

                                                Why not just a flat fee for using the technology?


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                                                • Darren
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by D-Money
                                                  Well, whether I do the show with streaming video or in streaming audio, it's the same according to their patent.

                                                  Will they serve me papers during the show? I doubt it. I was already sent a letter, though it was sent to The Players Ball and not D$ Show. But I figure once they see I actually link the Players Ball to the D$ Show, same thing.

                                                  I think we should all hear what he has to say, as we heard what the IMPA has to say.

                                                  So, get your questions ready and I'll ask them.
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                                                  • jeroman
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                                                    • Oct 2002
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                                                    #26
                                                    Just got a letter/broshyr today.
                                                    Said they contacted me months ago - guess I just throwed
                                                    it in the shitplace then.

                                                    But today it was fancy and I really belived it.
                                                    So, i got here and the first thread I see is about them....

                                                    I'm from sweden, they have one patent here and they have 2 in europe.... hmm. sweden is in europe, so do they have 3 patents
                                                    where I am or just one...
                                                    This EU, europe thing is a bit confusing some times.

                                                    Anyway - what if I zip the movie and the members download it ??

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                                                    • quiet
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                                                      #27
                                                      hmm.
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                                                      • greentea
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                                                        #28
                                                        This is a big mistake
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                                                        • Mr.Fiction
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by greentea
                                                          This is a big mistake
                                                          It does seem strange to allow the people who are suing you and trying to ruin your business and possibly your entire life to use your resources to promote the destruction of your industry.

                                                          They are also going to be at Internext, someone said.

                                                          Would Internext allow Pat Robertson to have a booth?
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                                                          • Jason
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                                                            • Dec 2002
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                                                            #30
                                                            Should be your biggest show to day D$
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                                                            • Tipsy
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                                                              • Jul 2001
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


                                                              It does seem strange to allow the people who are suing you and trying to ruin your business and possibly your entire life to use your resources to promote the destruction of your industry.

                                                              They are also going to be at Internext, someone said.

                                                              Would Internext allow Pat Robertson to have a booth?
                                                              For the little it's worth I tend to agree with the above and similar comments. Life's too short to get annoyed listening to thieves trying to justify themselves.
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                                                              • Zyber
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                                                                • Aug 2001
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                                                                #32
                                                                They are just plain fucked up. Claiming to have invented all streaming of video + audio is the same as saying that they invented any existing and future data download methods.

                                                                Did they invent the Internet? No they did not!
                                                                Streaming is just a basic protocol just like http.
                                                                Why haven't these guys said something about Windows Media's streaming technologies? Because they know they are wrong and they know they will get bashed so hard in court!

                                                                I sure hope someone sues them for trying their scam stunt and threatening so many people with their false claims.

                                                                These pricks really need some ass kicking. Unfortunately I cannot be at the show to shout at them

                                                                Geez!

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                                                                • Fletch XXX
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                                                                  • Jan 2002
                                                                  • 60840

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Zyber
                                                                  They are just plain fucked up. Claiming to have invented all streaming of video + audio is the same as saying that they invented any existing and future data download methods.

                                                                  Did they invent the Internet? No they did not!
                                                                  Streaming is just a basic protocol just like http.
                                                                  Why haven't these guys said something about Windows Media's streaming technologies? Because they know they are wrong and they know they will get bashed so hard in court!

                                                                  I sure hope someone sues them for trying their scam stunt and threatening so many people with their false claims.

                                                                  These pricks really need some ass kicking. Unfortunately I cannot be at the show to shout at them

                                                                  Geez!
                                                                  hahaha

                                                                  the secret windows media graphics are the answer.

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                                                                  • jimmyf
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                                                                    • Feb 2001
                                                                    • 12651

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by jeroman
                                                                    Just got a letter/broshyr today.
                                                                    Said they contacted me months ago - guess I just throwed
                                                                    it in the shitplace then.

                                                                    But today it was fancy and I really belived it.
                                                                    So, i got here and the first thread I see is about them....

                                                                    I'm from sweden, they have one patent here and they have 2 in europe.... hmm. sweden is in europe, so do they have 3 patents
                                                                    where I am or just one...
                                                                    This EU, europe thing is a bit confusing some times.

                                                                    Anyway - what if I zip the movie and the members download it ??
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                                                                    • Mr. Jim
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      THis just in.....

                                                                      I have patent rights to the hat

                                                                      if you have a hat I will be looking to negotiate a licensing arrangement

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                                                                      • jimmyf
                                                                        OU812
                                                                        • Feb 2001
                                                                        • 12651

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


                                                                        It does seem strange to allow the people who are suing you and trying to ruin your business and possibly your entire life to use your resources to promote the destruction of your industry.

                                                                        They are also going to be at Internext, someone said.

                                                                        Would Internext allow Pat Robertson to have a booth?
                                                                        Very true. Fuck'em don't even talk to them at all.
                                                                        If up to me I wouldn't let 'em in the door at Internext.
                                                                        Last edited by jimmyf; 07-24-2003, 02:10 PM.
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                                                                        • ytcracker
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                                                                          • Dec 2002
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by jimholio
                                                                          THis just in.....

                                                                          I have patent rights to the hat

                                                                          if you have a hat I will be looking to negotiate a licensing arrangement
                                                                          *takes hat off*
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                                                                          • JMM
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                                                                            • Apr 2001
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by jimholio
                                                                            THis just in.....

                                                                            I have patent rights to the hat

                                                                            if you have a hat I will be looking to negotiate a licensing arrangement
                                                                            What if I only wear the hat in Canada?

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                                                                            • Kimmykim
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                                                                              • Jun 2001
                                                                              • 16015

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by jimholio
                                                                              THis just in.....

                                                                              I have patent rights to the hat

                                                                              if you have a hat I will be looking to negotiate a licensing arrangement
                                                                              So much for wearing a cute hat to your party... ;)

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                                                                              • dig420
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                                                                                • May 2001
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                I think it's a good score and will be an interesting show, but make sure you have JMM or somebody else who is very informed to ask them hard questions...

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                                                                                • kingadam
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                                                                                  • Jul 2003
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  For all of those that think the D-Money Show is some kind of trader, I mean come on. We are a webmaster radio show that provides news and events to other webmasters in our industry. It is our job to discuss the most important topics and events, whether they are good or bad. Look at the news, they have guests on all the time that are considered "bad" people, but its there job and duty to inform listeners and viewers with all the latest information.

                                                                                  So, instead of complaining about it, use your brains, and come up with some good points and good questions. Both Darren and I got our papers, and neither one of us agree with the patents. I feel they are very unfair and not valid. But just because we don't agree doesn't mean they shouldn't come on our radio show.

                                                                                  I'd be willing to bet anything that all those that are complaining about them being a guest, will be at our show listening to every word they have to say. This is the best way to really understand what they want and what to do about it.

                                                                                  This will be everyone's opportunity to get information on a topic that has affected the entire planet. So don't miss the show, its going to be a big one.

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                                                                                  • Carrie
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                                                                                    • Apr 2002
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
                                                                                    Would Internext allow Pat Robertson to have a booth?
                                                                                    As long as he ponied up the money, I believe AVN would allow John Ash*hahahahaha to have a booth and walk around the floor taking names and business cards just as they're allowing Acacia to do.

                                                                                    D$, do you plan on asking them why they are participating in patent-infringing broadcasts and what their participation in such might mean to their court cases?
                                                                                    Surely if they participate in it, show their support of it via their participating, and allow the broadcast to continue without demanding that it be stopped because license fees had not been paid, then that would say *something* about how serious they are about this entire matter.
                                                                                    I'm sure a judge would find it very interesting, indeed.

                                                                                    Make sure you archive the upcoming show and make it available to IMPA.

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                                                                                    • Carrie
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by kingadam
                                                                                      This is the best way to really understand what they want and what to do about it.
                                                                                      I can save you the entire trouble of the show right now.
                                                                                      What they want:
                                                                                      They want a percentage of your gross profits.

                                                                                      What to do about it:
                                                                                      You can either sign their papers and hand over the money, or you can join with IMPA in the fight to invalidate their patents.

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                                                                                      • Mr. Jim
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                                                                                        • Mar 2003
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by Kimmykim


                                                                                        So much for wearing a cute hat to your party... ;)
                                                                                        My dear you glossed right over the negotiating part......


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                                                                                        • berg.the.red
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          ask them:

                                                                                          a) why they've been sitting on this patent for so long, and only now have decided to enforce it ? IIRC - lack of active enforcement of a patent from the get-go means they weren't that worried about any patent infringement.

                                                                                          b) ask them when they intent to go after Micro$erf and the rest of the "big boys" ? does this lack of action on their part against such large and "blatant" infringers on their claimed patent mean they really are just trying to shake down the "little guys".

                                                                                          c) depending on their response to b) ( IE - we don't care about Micro$erf or Real Player ), ask them how well they are prepared to defend themselves against every entity they've served papers on following Serges advice and filing racketering charges against them in their locale ?

                                                                                          d) now that micro$erf has annouced they will stand legally behind they're products and their use in court, is acacia ready to face micro$erf in court as most of the video products people use are probably derived/produced with micro$erf software ...
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                                                                                          • titmowse
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            the last time i tried to participate in the java chat for the d-money show, it wouldn't let me log in. is there a mIRC channel for the show?

                                                                                            better yet, will there be call in questions? i would love to know the phone number for that option.
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                                                                                            • ytcracker
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              irc.dokk.com #xbiz
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                                                                                              • titmowse
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by ytcracker
                                                                                                irc.dokk.com #xbiz
                                                                                                thanks
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                                                                                                • Kimmykim
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                                                                                                  • Jun 2001
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by jimholio


                                                                                                  My dear you glossed right over the negotiating part......


                                                                                                  LOL, you think so? I've heard about your 'negotiating skills' ;)

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                                                                                                  • ytcracker
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                                                                                                    #50
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