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07-24-2003, 10:43 AM

Ok so far i understand acacia has been going after people with videos on their websites.

What if you -

Have a company offshore,
Process cc# using the offshore information
Host the videos offshore ( Or host them in a US server using offshore company info)

Now how would they find you? Would they send a letter to nevis/bahamas ??

I kinda think if people move completely offshore they are fine from all these laws and lawsuits,

someone said if you are in USA they will sue you, but how would they know that (since all your domains are registered under your company in nevis/etc)

?? This would work wouldnt it?

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07-24-2003, 10:45 AM

I doubt you are hosting videos in an offshore location

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07-24-2003, 10:45 AM

It's not just in the US.. Acacia has patents that are also in various countries overseas and in europe.. so it depends on where you are. Canada isn't covered, as are some other european countries.

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07-24-2003, 10:46 AM

canada isnt covered???

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07-24-2003, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by xxweekxx
Ok so far i understand acacia has been going after people with videos on their websites.

What if you -

Have a company offshore,
Process cc# using the offshore information
Host the videos offshore ( Or host them in a US server using offshore company info)

Now how would they find you? Would they send a letter to nevis/bahamas ??

I kinda think if people move completely offshore they are fine from all these laws and lawsuits,

someone said if you are in USA they will sue you, but how would they know that (since all your domains are registered under your company in nevis/etc)

?? This would work wouldnt it?

then they'll simply go after your affiliates....

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07-24-2003, 10:49 AM

if you have no affiliates?

What im saying is IF EVERYTHING you have is gotten under your company name in nevis/etc/

Like hosting, processing, etc

Would they try to sue you there? I figure its impossible to sue someone in Nevis..

They own patents all over the world, yeah, but not in every country. I doubt they can do shit in bahamas or nevis.

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07-24-2003, 10:51 AM

Is your server in Nevis?

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07-24-2003, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by BRISK
Is your server in Nevis?

no. UK. but setup with the nevis company info

So acacia still cant do shit ? ?

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07-24-2003, 10:57 AM

Acacia aside,

Do you really want your money making business hosted in some ass backwards third world country that won't acknowledge other peoples worldwide patented intellecutual property?

Or start messing around with Visa/MC and US regulations?

All to avoid paying these bloodsuckers 3% of your income?

If you are that determined to not pay them, that you would put your ENTIRE business in jeopardy, why don't you:

wake the F up and DONTATE TO THE IMPA
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07-24-2003, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by BigFrog
canada isnt covered???

hey vancouver...here i come!!

Cybersex Ent is Acacia FREE and is now hosting for only $250/mb

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07-24-2003, 10:58 AM

You can run but you can't hide. You would have to also MOVE out of the US (if that's where you live), because no matter where your business is operating from, if you are living in the USA then they can get you.

And there have been Canadian webmasters already served papers, so Canada is on the Acacia list.

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07-24-2003, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by Zoe

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07-24-2003, 11:01 AM

Of course we were served. They serve everyone hoping you will cave in.

But they also filed but have not been issued a patent here. So they cannot do shit to Canadians

Take this ACACIA

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07-24-2003, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by Atari

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Like no one is able to post "cute fun" Mr Space Invaders?

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07-24-2003, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by CDSmith
You would have to also MOVE out of the US (if that's where you live), because no matter where your business is operating from, if you are living in the USA then they can get you.

Not correct if you're incorporated.

Acacia would sue the corporation that owns the websites. Not the owners of the corporation.

If the corporation existed beyond the patent reaches of Acacia then it would be free and clear.

The owners of the corporation could live in the US just fine.

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07-24-2003, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by BRISK

Not correct if you're incorporated.

Acacia would sue the corporation that owns the websites. Not the owners of the corporation.

If the corporation existed beyond the patent reaches of Acacia then it would be free and clear.

The owners of the corporation could live in the US just fine.

thought so too.

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07-24-2003, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by Zoe

Like no one is able to post "cute fun" Mr Space Invaders?

A clue just for you:

The word Atari meant "Prepare for battle" long before people with pocket protectors and medical tape on their glasses got ahold of it.

And how do you know that I'm not a Don Henley fan & really dig the "Boys of Summer" remake or something?

As far as posting cute & funny Acacia matter?

It's out of control and it's got to stop.

There is more bullshit, trash & misinformation floating around about this subject than ever before.

While we weaken ourselves with all the "Acacia can eat my corn turds!" and "I have a good idea on how to trick Acacia!" talk, Acacia is wiping the tears of laughter and flipping out another 1000 license demand notices to your friends and associates.

They are serving more and more people daily.

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07-24-2003, 11:14 AM

Well, go ahead and chance it then. But you can either look for little loopholes and try to squirm out from under the gun, or you can help fund those who are actually doing something about it. I would rather open my wallet now rather than go to all the trouble and expense of running my business off to hide in a foreign country.

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07-24-2003, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by CDSmith
Best thing anyone can do is DONATE to help fight this battle. Quit looking for little loopholes,.... and donate.

http://www.impai.org/

And when you're done donating to IMPA (if all you've got is $5, donate it! It will help!), start looking for ANY documentation regarding the compression of video & audio for digital transmission that was published prior to 1992.

Hi-tech magazines, radio magazines, research papers, doctoral essays and theses... *anything*.
Document anything you find and send it to Spike: spike AT homegrownvideo.com.
Any documentation like this will help establish a 'prior art' claim and render Acacia's patents INVALID and would be of significant benefit to IMPA and anyone who's been served.
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07-24-2003, 11:17 AM

How about this idea...

I host the video in my ass. When one of my customers wants to watch the video, instead of clicking on a link, they come over to my house and I bend over and spread my ass cheeks.

My wife can serve beer and popcorn (for an extra fee of course..there is no way I'm giving them beer and popcorn as part of their regular membership).

How about that idea??? Would that idea work? I mean, Acacia doesn't have a patent on my ass, do they?

These ideas are just getting more ridiculous. Do you think that Acacia is going to stop at your whois info if they want to find you? Do you honestly believe that they are that naive?

It does not matter where you are, IF their patents are NOT invalidated in court, as we are attempting to do, you will be stopped.

Your upstream, your bank, your banks bank, your upstreams upstream, your affiliates, people who link to you, people who you link to, etc, etc, etc.

The only way to stop this is to invalidate the patents. The defense group, and the IMPA, believe that the Acacia patents are invalid. We will vigorously fight to invalidate these patents in a court of law, to protect ourselves, our business, and our industry.

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07-24-2003, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by Carrie

start looking for ANY documentation regarding the compression of video & audio for digital transmission that was published prior to 1992.

Good advice, but I think the date to beat is November 1991.

Someone correct me If I'm wrong please.
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07-24-2003, 11:19 AM

The people to talk to about prior art:

http://www.sims.berkeley.edu/courses...#_Toc447982102

The convenor of the MPEG group is Leonardo Chiariglione, aka the father of MPEG, who founded the group in January 1988 with the first meeting consisting of about 15 experts on compression technology

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07-24-2003, 11:24 AM

1988 Leonardo establishes the ISO/IEC Moving Pictures Experts Group (MPEG) standards committee

1987 Leonardo establishes the International Workshop on 64 kbit/s Coding of Moving Video to promote adoption of low bitrate video coding technologies for emerging digital networks

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07-24-2003, 11:28 AM

Important milestones in his professional career were

the CCITT H.120 videoconference codec (1982)

an H.120 multipoint videoconference unit (1985) an implementation of the CCIR Recommendations 601 and 656 (1986)

a basic-access ISDN videotelephone (1988)

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07-24-2003, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by JMM
How about this idea...

I host the video in my ass. When one of my customers wants to watch the video, instead of clicking on a link, they come over to my house and I bend over and spread my ass cheeks.

My wife can serve beer and popcorn (for an extra fee of course..there is no way I'm giving them beer and popcorn as part of their regular membership).

How about that idea??? Would that idea work? I mean, Acacia doesn't have a patent on my ass, do they?

These ideas are just getting more ridiculous. Do you think that Acacia is going to stop at your whois info if they want to find you? Do you honestly believe that they are that naive?

It does not matter where you are, IF their patents are NOT invalidated in court, as we are attempting to do, you will be stopped.

Your upstream, your bank, your banks bank, your upstreams upstream, your affiliates, people who link to you, people who you link to, etc, etc, etc.

The only way to stop this is to invalidate the patents. The defense group, and the IMPA, believe that the Acacia patents are invalid. We will vigorously fight to invalidate these patents in a court of law, to protect ourselves, our business, and our industry.

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07-24-2003, 11:50 AM

Leonardo is the man, if anyone would know about video on the internet before 1991 it would be him.

Judge: "Will the defence please provide their evidence"

Defence: "Thank you your honor, we would like to call Leonardo Chiariglione (the father of MPEG) as an expert to present his knowledge"

Leonardo: "yeah, there was video all over the internet before '91"

Judge: "It is the decision of this court that this patent sucks ass. Patent REVOKED"

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07-24-2003, 11:59 AM

heh I still have a disk with movies we used to stream in the 80's on a pcboard bbs

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07-24-2003, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by nuclei
heh I still have a disk with movies we used to stream in the 80's on a pcboard bbs

300 baud baby!

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07-24-2003, 12:07 PM

The geeks who saved Usenet

http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/20...net/index.html

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07-24-2003, 12:14 PM

Get a host in Thailand or China you will be safe there at least in the short term. But remember this. If ACACIA wants to sue you they have to present the papers to you in your country not in the USA, so unless they had representation in each country they would have to hire a company or individual to serve you the paperwork. Seems like a lot of trouble and the easy targets will be in LA areas near their base of operations. We have an office in the USA and a USA address but our head office and the residence of our CEO etc. is the UK. So they have to present our papers in the UK and good luck with that.

Best plan of action is to file complaints with the FTC as was suggested yesterday file as many small claims as possible and support Home grown Video in their fight against these assholes. Every $100 you give would be a great help to them.

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07-24-2003, 01:42 PM

Hi.
I have non movie sites or other things where i tranfer movies to the surfers but i am right now reading the danish patent on the system.
I realy don't thing that cover movie and audio transmision on the internet today.

1. On the patentet system all movies is uncompress, then the buyer ordre them.
2. the surfer can tell the system what format he want it compressed to
3. The system put a ID code on it then it compress the movie
4. It will be playet on a time the surfer have ask the system to show it.

As i see it: It looks more like a movie on demand system than a movie transmision system

Sorry for my pore english spelling.
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07-24-2003, 01:53 PM

Good work, Brisk! Did you forward all of that to the IMPA guys?
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