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  • smut monger
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    #1

    which country has the highest taxes?

    I suppose Sweden would be on that list but what country else? Who meets the most greedy Tax-Man each year?
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  • MAGNET
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    • Dirty F
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      #3
      Prolly Holland :/

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      • the real magoo
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        #4
        Some country in Scandinavia i would guess

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        • buddyjuf

          #5
          15% in montreal, canada

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          • Plan9
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            #6
            I hear taxes in Switzerland are pretty crazy.

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            • nige
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              #7
              Depends on how much money you make.
              The more you make, the more you pay.
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              • brizzad
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                #8
                Zambia, Africa - 28% gross

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                • smut monger
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                  #9
                  Let me ask you in other way then. Let's say you earned $30k/year - how much taxes you would pay in your country from this amount: 20%, 30%, 40%, 50% or more?
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                  • Joe Average
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                    #10
                    Australian tax Rates:

                    Tax Rates
                    Marginal Tax Rates
                    Individual Rates for 2000-2001 and subsequent years*
                    Taxable Income Tax Payable (Residents) Tax Payable (Non Residents)
                    $0-$6,000 Nil 29%>$0
                    $6,001-$20,000 $0+17%>$6,000 29%>$0
                    $20,001-$50,000 $2,380+30%>$20,000 $5,800+30%>$20,000
                    $50,000-$60,000 $11,380+ 42%>$50,000 $14,800+42%>$50,000
                    $60,001+ $15,580+ 47%>$60,000 $19,000+47%>$60,000
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                    • nige
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by smut monger
                      $30k/year
                      In that case the withholding-% would be 45,0.
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                      • smut monger
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                        #12
                        45%? holy finland tax-batman!
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                        • Kevin2
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                          #13
                          Taxes in Australia are high and what pisses me off even more is they tax your pension fund. I thought it was 15% but my accountant said it's 30 cents in every $1 which is 30%

                          Any other Aussies know if this is correct?

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                          • BlueDesignStudios
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Joe Average
                            Australian tax Rates:

                            Tax Rates
                            Marginal Tax Rates
                            Individual Rates for 2000-2001 and subsequent years*
                            Taxable Income Tax Payable (Residents) Tax Payable (Non Residents)
                            $0-$6,000 Nil 29%>$0
                            $6,001-$20,000 $0+17%>$6,000 29%>$0
                            $20,001-$50,000 $2,380+30%>$20,000 $5,800+30%>$20,000
                            $50,000-$60,000 $11,380+ 42%>$50,000 $14,800+42%>$50,000
                            $60,001+ $15,580+ 47%>$60,000 $19,000+47%>$60,000
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                            • DJRCyberAVS
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                              #15
                              UK tax rates.

                              Starting Rate upto £1,960 = 10%
                              Basic Rate - £1,960- £30,000 = 22%
                              Higher Rate - £30,000 and over = 40%

                              NI Contributions
                              Primary Class 1 on earnings between £89-£595 11% PER WEEK.
                              Additional 1% on higher earnings.

                              Corporation Tax (LTD Company etc)
                              Turnover £50,001 - £ 300,000 = 19%
                              Turnover £1,500,001 or more = 30%

                              VAT Rate - 17.5%

                              Inheritience Tax:-
                              Estates over £250,000 = 40%

                              Capital Gains Tax
                              below the starting rate limit at 10%,
                              between the starting rate and basic rate limits at 20%,
                              and above the basic rate limit at 40%.

                              Savings Tax
                              The 10% starting rate of Income Tax includes savings income. Where an individual has savings income in excess of the starting rate limit they will be taxed at the lower rate of 20% up to the basic rate limit (£29,400 - 2001-02 and £29,900 - 2002-03) and at the higher rate of 40% for income above the basic rate limit.

                              The rates of tax for dividends are 10% for income up to the basic rate limit and 32.5% for income above the basic rate limit.

                              Car Tax
                              Engine Under 1549cc - £110.00 per year
                              Engine Over 1549cc - £165.00

                              Petrol/Gas
                              72.8% is added to fuel

                              Cigarettes
                              79% is added to the price of a pack of cigs
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                              • vapser
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                                #16
                                we pay 50% in tax here in Denmark
                                and if you earn really much money you can risk getting to pay almost 60 %

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                                • benthompson
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                                  #17
                                  London I think

                                  VAT: 17.5%
                                  Income taxes: 27%, 33% and 40% depending on your income.
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                                    • Eyecandy
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                                      #19
                                      In Denmark we pay:

                                      50-60% Tax
                                      25% VAT

                                      On top of that, we have some other taxation as well.

                                      Have a car = Pay more
                                      Have a house = Pay more
                                      Money in the bank = Pay more


                                      So Denmark must be one of the most expensive countries in the world... Did I have to mention that we are relocating pretty soon.... Hehe
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                                      • xenium
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                                        #20
                                        must be the netherlands....

                                        sales tax 19.5%

                                        income tax up to 52%

                                        0-to ? 15.883 32,90% 15,00%

                                        ? 15.884 up to ? 28.850 38,40% 20,50%

                                        ? 28.851 up to ? 49.464 42,00% 42,00%

                                        ? 49.465 and up 52,00% 52,00%

                                        so if your income would be ? 50.000,-
                                        you would only pay 52 % tax over ? 535,-

                                        thats based on yearly income ...

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                                        • solonline
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                                          #21
                                          Denmark is a bitch 50 plus percent personal tax rising if you earn above a set amount.
                                          corporation tax aint so bad, 30 percent.

                                          They got us by the bollocks here

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                                          • Roald
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                                            #22
                                            The Netherlands suck at taxes, just got my overview for 2003 and I was shocked

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                                            • Johny Traffic
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                                              #23
                                              Income taxes: 27%, 33% and 40% depending on your income.

                                              You need a new accountant look above for the real uk taxes that DJRCyberAVS has posted


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                                              • Jeppe
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Eyecandy
                                                In Denmark we pay:

                                                50-60% Tax
                                                25% VAT

                                                On top of that, we have some other taxation as well.

                                                Have a car = Pay more
                                                Have a house = Pay more
                                                Money in the bank = Pay more


                                                So Denmark must be one of the most expensive countries in the world... Did I have to mention that we are relocating pretty soon.... Hehe
                                                Got that right... Denmark is not an easy country to be rich in. That is if you ever get rich since it seems like the state's number 1 goal that all people should pay 100% tax and then share it equally among all inhabitants afterwards.
                                                At least we got a new government that stopped the taxes from increasing even more.

                                                Oh and did I mention that if you should ever get the crazy idea of buying a car instead of using public transportation you get to pay for 3 cars but only drive away in 1.
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                                                • Maru
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                                                  #25
                                                  Denmark is a bitch 50 plus percent personal tax rising if you earn above a set amount.
                                                  I'm not going to defend the Danish taxes - and the present government want to lower them if they can - but.... you failed to mention that basically everything is included in those taxes: Free universities, free medi-care, free hospitals, etc, etc. There's no poverty here like you'll meet it in USA or elsewhere.

                                                  It turns out that this socialdemocratic society cannot be sustained in a modern world. Immigrants from third world countries flock to come to Scandinavia. They can get it all for free here - and that'll break the back of the socialdemocratic camel.

                                                  So - the way to go is to bring down taxes and let people pay for themselves.

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                                                  • Jeppe
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Maru


                                                    I'm not going to defend the Danish taxes - and the present government want to lower them if they can - but.... you failed to mention that basically everything is included in those taxes: Free universities, free medi-care, free hospitals, etc, etc. There's no poverty here like you'll meet it in USA or elsewhere.

                                                    It turns out that this socialdemocratic society cannot be sustained in a modern world. Immigrants from third world countries flock to come to Scandinavia. They can get it all for free here - and that'll break the back of the socialdemocratic camel.

                                                    So - the way to go is to bring down taxes and let people pay for themselves.
                                                    I agree - there ARE a lot of benefits, I realized that when my sister suddenly got sick and hospitalized a short while ago.
                                                    I go to the university for free and if you ever get unemployed you don't have to live on the street.
                                                    BUT there has got to be a compromise between taxes and benefits. I don't want it to be like the USA which is pretty much directly opposite of Denmark. But again there has to be a middle course.
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                                                    • the real magoo
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Maru
                                                      It turns out that this socialdemocratic society cannot be sustained in a modern world. Immigrants from third world countries flock to come to Scandinavia. They can get it all for free here

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                                                      • sacX
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Joe Average
                                                        Australian tax Rates:

                                                        Tax Rates
                                                        Marginal Tax Rates
                                                        Individual Rates for 2000-2001 and subsequent years*
                                                        Taxable Income Tax Payable (Residents) Tax Payable (Non Residents)
                                                        $0-$6,000 Nil 29%>$0
                                                        $6,001-$20,000 $0+17%>$6,000 29%>$0
                                                        $20,001-$50,000 $2,380+30%>$20,000 $5,800+30%>$20,000
                                                        $50,000-$60,000 $11,380+ 42%>$50,000 $14,800+42%>$50,000
                                                        $60,001+ $15,580+ 47%>$60,000 $19,000+47%>$60,000
                                                        if you're in this business and earning over 60k you should have a company.. because the corporate tax is much better, last I heard it was around 30% (I just know it's lower than New Zealand which is 33%)

                                                        and one thing often forgotten is sales tax.. most things you buy you're paying more tax.. GRRRRR
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                                                        • Lykos
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                                                          #29
                                                          Taxes???
                                                          Hehehe,we even don't have them in Yugoslavia for porn bizz
                                                          Well we do but it takes something like..hmm..let me translate in us $.....yes something about 32$ per year

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                                                          • richard123
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by sacX


                                                            if you're in this business and earning over 60k you should have a company.. because the corporate tax is much better, last I heard it was around 30% (I just know it's lower than New Zealand which is 33%)

                                                            and one thing often forgotten is sales tax.. most things you buy you're paying more tax.. GRRRRR
                                                            So... how do you get the money out from the company without paying the balance between the 47% and the 30%?

                                                            Australia tax rates are great - it makes it so profitable to avoid tax, it gives you an additional source of satisfaction

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                                                            • BRISK
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                                                              #31
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                                                              • Gunni
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                                                                #32
                                                                Incometax is like a bloody caveman, a thing that should only belong to the past. I'm an individualist, I belive the stronger you make the individual, the stronger society will become. I mean what is society other than lots of individuals? I mean if people didn't pay more than let's say 10% incometax, then they would have more money to spend on all sorts of shit, business would go up, debts would drop, the local currency would be stronger etc etc etc. If you earn let's say 60k a year, and you keep 50k after taxes, if you don't save 5-10k a year for emergencies, then it's just your own fault if you get fucked. People would just buy health insurrances, and if they are infact poor, the government should use that 10% they get from your wages to help them. Then they got all the money from the vat, and company taxes for all the other stuff

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                                                                • Daen
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                                                                  #33
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                                                                  • High Quality
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    The world economics ratings put Denmark at the country that is the worst tax offender in the world. It puts Singapore as the best for income taxes, of any 1st world nation. USA comes in 3rd place for the income taxes.

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                                                                    • Sex4it
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      I guess ROMANIA is ON

                                                                      they take 53% in taxes and contributions out of your the salary


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                                                                      • Gunni
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Taxes are a human rights violation!

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                                                                        • SGx
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          in france, taxes are from 0% to 60% (0 for those who don't work)

                                                                          we are in a social country, so taxes are very high + we pay lot for health and stuff

                                                                          + all the "you don't see it, but you are paying taxes" when you are buying stuff, like vta at 20% etc...

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                                                                          • swedguy
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by Gunni
                                                                            Incometax is like a bloody caveman, a thing that should only belong to the past. I'm an individualist, I belive the stronger you make the individual, the stronger society will become. I mean what is society other than lots of individuals? I mean if people didn't pay more than let's say 10% incometax, then they would have more money to spend on all sorts of shit, business would go up, debts would drop, the local currency would be stronger etc etc etc. If you earn let's say 60k a year, and you keep 50k after taxes, if you don't save 5-10k a year for emergencies, then it's just your own fault if you get fucked. People would just buy health insurrances, and if they are infact poor, the government should use that 10% they get from your wages to help them. Then they got all the money from the vat, and company taxes for all the other stuff
                                                                            Boy you're wrong.

                                                                            And how many people live from paycheck to paycheck?
                                                                            The more money people (not everybody, some are actually smart) get, the more they spend. Not on useful stuff like medicare, insurances, invest it or put away for their retirement. But TV's, new DVD, a brand new car to flash for the neighbors you name it.

                                                                            Just look on the boards. People whine when a sponsor only send a check once a month, hell even bi-weekly. Why?
                                                                            Even if you get paid once a month you get paid the same amount as 2 bi-weekly checks.
                                                                            But it just shows that people spend all the money when they get the check, then they have to life of noodles until the next check comes.

                                                                            I live in Sweden and maximum income tax here is just around 60% plus we have shit load of other taxes. So I'm pretty sick of paying taxes.

                                                                            So I'm all for a society where it's more up to the individual to take care of themself, to a certain degree.
                                                                            But people has proved that they can't take care of themself.
                                                                            How many people living below poverty line and homeless are there in the US?
                                                                            People in Sweden expect way too much. Our government has always taken care of us, and it's hard to switch to something else.


                                                                            End of my rant

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                                                                            • hvidlogspusher
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              in Denmark there is 25% sales tax on all gross that is being sold to a person and not company and then we pay aleast 50% af our income depending how much money we make

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                                                                              • Gunni
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by swedguy
                                                                                Boy you're wrong.

                                                                                And how many people live from paycheck to paycheck?
                                                                                The more money people (not everybody, some are actually smart) get, the more they spend. Not on useful stuff like medicare, insurances, invest it or put away for their retirement. But TV's, new DVD, a brand new car to flash for the neighbors you name it.

                                                                                Just look on the boards. People whine when a sponsor only send a check once a month, hell even bi-weekly. Why?
                                                                                Even if you get paid once a month you get paid the same amount as 2 bi-weekly checks.
                                                                                But it just shows that people spend all the money when they get the check, then they have to life of noodles until the next check comes.

                                                                                I live in Sweden and maximum income tax here is just around 60% plus we have shit load of other taxes. So I'm pretty sick of paying taxes.

                                                                                So I'm all for a society where it's more up to the individual to take care of themself, to a certain degree.
                                                                                But people has proved that they can't take care of themself.
                                                                                How many people living below poverty line and homeless are there in the US?
                                                                                People in Sweden expect way too much. Our government has always taken care of us, and it's hard to switch to something else.


                                                                                End of my rant
                                                                                The more money people spend on stuff like DVD's, the more money the government will get out of VAT, and company taxes!
                                                                                In the end it will work out the same. The government will get enough money from hidden taxes to take care of those of the citizens that can't afford hospitals and shit. If America wouldn't spend so much money on their army, they'd deffinately have enough money to give free healthcare to people that can't afford it them selfs. Maybe it's time for them to stop worrying about the world, and take care of their own backyard. Let the UN and NATO do the dirty work (although they did coward out the last time).
                                                                                I'm from Iceland my self, so I know how a welfare country is run, and it sucks! Strong individuals will make a strong economy! That is a fact. I don't like the corporate policy of the USA, in fact, I don't like the policy of any country in the world, that I can remember at least. I guess I'll have to make a political party of my own

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                                                                                • Maru
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  And then there's crime.

                                                                                  The crime rate is lower in a high-tax country. A murder is frontpage news here in Denmark. There's no guns in circulation. You can walk the streets at night in any part of the country. There's no desperate people doing crimes for a living except for the occasional drug addict who may try to break into your house.

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                                                                                  • keyDet79
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Holland has one of the highest rates, 35% tax over your profit, 19% VAT over your turnover. Comes down to about 54% (for minimum wage), and it can be a lot higher if your turnover is high but the profit low (if you have a lot of bills).

                                                                                    By the way, can anyone give me the tax rates in Germany? Thanks.
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                                                                                    • rowan
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by sacX
                                                                                      and one thing often forgotten is sales tax.. most things you buy you're paying more tax.. GRRRRR
                                                                                      Don't forget 'hidden' taxes like fuel excise. In Australia, you have...

                                                                                      1. retail price of fuel supplier
                                                                                      2. plus fuel excise
                                                                                      3. plus 10% GST of 1+2

                                                                                      It's a double tax.

                                                                                      Currently Melbourne prices are 84c per litre according to Shell, which is broken down like this:

                                                                                      a) 34.6c refinery price
                                                                                      b) 45.3c tax
                                                                                      c) 4.1c margin

                                                                                      The tax added is actually higher than the sum of the refinery price and margin, so it more than doubles the cost at the pump.

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                                                                                      • rowan
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by richard123
                                                                                        So... how do you get the money out from the company without paying the balance between the 47% and the 30%?
                                                                                        I'm about to look into this myself, I'm already losing money as an individual by not setting up a company... I don't know if there will be any direct monetary benefits (unless you do tricky things like deliberate losses or keep most of your profits sitting untouched in a corporate bank account), but there should be indirect benefits such as salary sacrificing (cheaper new car!) and super. Another way to save a bit of on income tax with a teired system like Australia is to employ your partner and split the salary down the middle.

                                                                                        Let's say...

                                                                                        100k taxable income on Joe Aussie
                                                                                        =$33,807 in tax

                                                                                        But split that in half...

                                                                                        50k taxable income on Joe Aussie
                                                                                        50k taxable income on Jo Aussie
                                                                                        =$11,172 each ($22,344 total tax)

                                                                                        BTW, I'm in Melbourne too.

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                                                                                        • davvve
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          sweden is pretty crazy:

                                                                                          Income tax: 30-50% depending on how much you earn
                                                                                          Social fees: 30%

                                                                                          VAT: 25%

                                                                                          So if you'd earn $10k / month as a sole proprietor you'd have $3.5k left. And when you then burn that money on things you'll have to pay 25% VAT.

                                                                                          So I guess it'd be fair to say that we swedes pay about 72% in taxes.
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                                                                                          • davvve
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by smut monger
                                                                                            Let me ask you in other way then. Let's say you earned $30k/year - how much taxes you would pay in your country from this amount: 20%, 30%, 40%, 50% or more?
                                                                                            sweden: ~50% including social fees
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                                                                                            • Probono
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                                                                                              • Oct 2002
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              The good old US taxes more than people think.

                                                                                              People forget that on top of the Federal Income Tax most States have an income tax, some cities have an income tax. Sales, Vehicle taxes, fuel taxes, Medicare Tax, Social Security tax.

                                                                                              Then consider, no free medical care, no free college education, etc.

                                                                                              You get what you pay for in Europe, we pay and get squat.

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                                                                                              • davvve
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by Maru


                                                                                                I'm not going to defend the Danish taxes - and the present government want to lower them if they can - but.... you failed to mention that basically everything is included in those taxes: Free universities, free medi-care, free hospitals, etc, etc. There's no poverty here like you'll meet it in USA or elsewhere.

                                                                                                It turns out that this socialdemocratic society cannot be sustained in a modern world. Immigrants from third world countries flock to come to Scandinavia. They can get it all for free here - and that'll break the back of the socialdemocratic camel.

                                                                                                So - the way to go is to bring down taxes and let people pay for themselves.
                                                                                                damn true
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                                                                                                • richard123
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by rowan


                                                                                                  I'm about to look into this myself, I'm already losing money as an individual by not setting up a company...
                                                                                                  If your income is from overseas, I assume you've looked into keeping it offshore and bringing it in via other means than cashing the cheques in your bank account...? You might consider having no money going thru your Australian banks at all.

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                                                                                                  • traffictrader
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Well obviously Sweden and Holland will have higher tax... the more socialis thte country the higher the tax.... but the more things it gets you too.

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