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Yep and our troops ain't going no place until the job is done, makes no Diff. who gets elected NONE.Originally posted by theking
There are not any comparisons...yet. As for the loss of life up to this point in time since the declaration of the cessastion of major fighting...two thirds of the American deaths have been "non-hostile" related. In addition there are more Americans being killed daily by Americans then there are killed in Iraq and Afhganistan combined. Also there was never any doubt in my mind that American forces will be in Iraq until hell freezes over or we decide to withdraw our forces...but not at the current troop level.Epic CashEpic Cash works for me
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Have you looked at realistic drug usage statistics lately?Originally posted by freeadultcontent
Heroin is a drug that we use in small numbers comparable to say pot.
Cocaine is more widely used then pot, and herion is making a big comeback as well, after its drop in the 90s.
1 in every 3 people will use or have used coke in thier lifetime which i think is 1 in 4 or 5 with marijuana.Comment
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Man, I hope you're just drunk or just had a fight with your girlfriend.Originally posted by Why
why is everyone a bunch of fucking pussies?
what the fuck is wrong with killing thousands of people? its been done hundreds of times in history. what the fuck is wrong with US troops just killing the protestors? we did them a service we got rid of thier leader, why the fuck not kill the ingreatful bastards that dont appreciate the favor? but no, now politics have to have a bigger weight in life or death matters then protecting the lives of AMERICANS. Instead we ask large portions of our military to go there and be puppets for our politicians (that buy and rig elections) who really dont know the slightest god damned thing about kill or be killed.
our fucking president crawled under a rock and went into HIDING, while our fucking country was under attack.
thats just plain fucking wrong on so many levels its not even funny. hundreds of thousands or americans are willing to die for thier country, yet our great leader is NOT? hundreds of thousands of americans have been willing to give thier lifes both past and present and many of them did in fact give thier lifes, all to help create a country where the politicians RULE and citizens are too fucking bored/stupid/scared/lazy to do a god damned thing about it. i think the majority of this country needs to open their fucking eyes.
this is a country for the people by the people. not for the rich, by the politicians.
FUCK apathy, go buy a GUN, and if your unwilling to kill people that might want to kill you, do the rest of us a favor and turn it towards yourself.Comment
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Oh sooooo very true, and I fear that's exactly what will happen if a Democrat get in office or cut back troops until they start getting there ass's really shot off.Originally posted by theking
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freeadultcontent:
So it was Afghanistan, but ummm were not the "terrorists" mostly from Saudi? Do we buy much drugs from the Saudi's?
Oh wait I get it. Heroin is a drug that we use in small numbers comparable to say pot. We lump pot into the drug numbers so they look huge, we then say look at all this drug money that is flowing to Afghanistan to poppy farmers. These poppy farmers are using that money to buy gas for their generators to process the poppy into herion, thus funneling drug money into the Saudis pockets who in turn fund terrorists. Ok I see now, silly me.
Duh? Now you got some conspiracy going!
What has poppy farmers in Afghanistan got to do with either Saudi or "terrorists"??
Currently the US is backing both sides in Afghanistan, both the "official government" and a troop of "warlords". They never seen to know which side they are on. The warlords grant rights to grow poppy and may even take a cut of the proceeds.
Some may say that is the best way to run Afghanistan!
You get it now?
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Hope you will one day receive your brain. It is IN the mail....Originally posted by Why
why is everyone a bunch of fucking pussies?
what the fuck is wrong with killing thousands of people?
Otherwise, I could say that the muslims terrorists said the same thing for the WTC : " what's wrong .... ".
Go to school.I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....Comment
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nope, i am 100% firm belief that anyone even remotely threatening your life should be SHOT in the fuckign FACE. whether it be one or hundreds. fuck em, its me over you ALWAYS. and if you bring any sort of life threatening into a situation the fight aint over till one of the parties is dead.Comment
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Americans have always been like that : playing both sides and fucking their allies or ennemies : no difference.Originally posted by Webby
freeadultcontent:
Currently the US is backing both sides in Afghanistan,
Only idiots trust them ( remember the ennemy Iran in the Contra-affair...lol).I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....Comment
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You honestly believe drug usage numbers that get tossed about?Originally posted by Why
Have you looked at realistic drug usage statistics lately?
Cocaine is more widely used then pot, and herion is making a big comeback as well, after its drop in the 90s.
1 in every 3 people will use or have used coke in thier lifetime which i think is 1 in 4 or 5 with marijuana.
You are talking about polls asking people what they have tried, like everyone tells the truth or even admits a damn thing.
I would wager good money that the number of people who have tried marijuana in their lifetime is much greater than 1 in 4 or 5. I would possibly believe it if it was along the lines of 1 in 3 at max.
As for usage of coke, assuming we are not talking about any legal form of coke used in a doctors office, I know for damn sure it sure in the hell is not 1 in 3.
But by the way, heroin does not come from the same plant as coke does. You would need to go look at why the Columbians hate us as well to find the source of coke.
I will stick by the fact that we use pot use to inflate our drug problem in this country. Toss out marijuana offenses and our country really does not have an illegal drug epidemic or even a problem.Comment
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Related to Adolf????Originally posted by Why
CONTRARY TO YOU FUCKING PUSSIES POPULAR BELIEF, LIFE IS AN EXPENDABLE RESOURCE.
besides, we are over populated as it is.I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....Comment
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It's not the protestors doing the shooting for starters.Originally posted by Why
nope, i am 100% firm belief that anyone even remotely threatening your life should be SHOT in the fuckign FACE. whether it be one or hundreds. fuck em, its me over you ALWAYS. and if you bring any sort of life threatening into a situation the fight aint over till one of the parties is dead.Comment
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so your saying if i come into your house with a gun, your just going to sit there and smile?Originally posted by directfiesta
Hope you will one day receive your brain. It is IN the mail....
Otherwise, I could say that the muslims terrorists said the same thing for the WTC : " what's wrong .... ".
Go to school.
maybe your the fuckup that needs to grow some fucking independent thinking and some balls. along with growing a brain, maybe that will teach you self-preservation.Comment
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Why:
Who is "remotely threatening your life"???belief that anyone even remotely threatening your life should be SHOT in the fuckign FACE
You been listening to some good propaganda?
Another product of the US education system!
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But didnt we invade Afghanistan because of 9/11 and terrorism? Or did we invade them because they grow drugs that we can not get enough of?Originally posted by Webby
freeadultcontent:
Duh? Now you got some conspiracy going!
What has poppy farmers in Afghanistan got to do with either Saudi or "terrorists"??
Currently the US is backing both sides in Afghanistan, both the "official government" and a troop of "warlords". They never seen to know which side they are on. The warlords grant rights to grow poppy and may even take a cut of the proceeds.
Some may say that is the best way to run Afghanistan!
You get it now?
Or was it just a convient place to house some troops and secure a safe place to run oil lines?Comment
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i know many many coke users that dont smoke pot and have never done so. cocaine is much easier to transport/hide/smuggle. growing pot in some place like say japan is very high risk, weed goes for $80 a gram in some places of japan, were as coke is much easier to bring in and transport about the country.Originally posted by freeadultcontent
You honestly believe drug usage numbers that get tossed about?
You are talking about polls asking people what they have tried, like everyone tells the truth or even admits a damn thing.
I would wager good money that the number of people who have tried marijuana in their lifetime is much greater than 1 in 4 or 5. I would possibly believe it if it was along the lines of 1 in 3 at max.
As for usage of coke, assuming we are not talking about any legal form of coke used in a doctors office, I know for damn sure it sure in the hell is not 1 in 3.
But by the way, heroin does not come from the same plant as coke does. You would need to go look at why the Columbians hate us as well to find the source of coke.
I will stick by the fact that we use pot use to inflate our drug problem in this country. Toss out marijuana offenses and our country really does not have an illegal drug epidemic or even a problem.
and yes im fully aware of my plants and which drugs come from what. and what continents they are native to and where they grow.
and incase you were unaware crack is a dirivative of coke, so it is also grouped with coke, in my book.
granted, i agree with you that the statistics are fucked up but have you looked at the international statistics done by groups not funded by the UN/NATO. south and central american coke use is huge compared to thier marijuana usage.
furthermore in a lot of countries were people dont have the spare change to even eat let alone get high, only the wealthy have the ability to afford and use drugs, and we all know exactly what shelf they will be going to.... the white powder shelf.Comment
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no one is threatening my life, i 100% disagree with the invasion of iraq. i never and still dont feel threatened by iraq or saddam insane, or afghanistan for that matter. but i do think that while we have troops there, anyone firing on them should be killed with out prejudice. woman/children/cleric/militant, if they are picking up a gun they are willing to die.Originally posted by Webby
Why:
Who is "remotely threatening your life"???
You been listening to some good propaganda?
Another product of the US education system!
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Exactly what US troops are doing: barging in homes where families lives, yelling with their machine guns out.Originally posted by Why
so your saying if i come into your house with a gun, your just going to sit there and smile?
maybe your the fuckup that needs to grow some fucking independent thinking and some balls. along with growing a brain, maybe that will teach you self-preservation.
Anyway, I just added you to my ignore list. Even Rooster doesn't sink to that low of a level....
I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....Comment
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Webby I know I am being a pain in the ass. I am just trying to see how we tied drugs into this whole thing yet oil was left out.
Yes I like spewing conspiracy theories just for fun, because honestly I do not trust our leaders.
Somehow we went from 9/11 to Afghanistan and chassing bin laden, to morphing him into sadam and invading iraq. While a good chunk of the American people actually believe we have found WMD's in Iraq, and even more actually think sadam was behind 9/11 in the first place. To the point where one politician wanted the toppled statues to be melted down and placed in the new world trade center as a reminder.
Buy gas your helping the economy. Buy drugs and your funding terrorism. Question the Government and you are unpatriotic, fly a flag on your SUV and you are supporting the effort.
Someone do please explain it to me.Comment
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freeadultcontent:
DUH???But didnt we invade Afghanistan because of 9/11 and terrorism? Or did we invade them because they grow drugs that we can not get enough of?
Or was it just a convient place to house some troops and secure a safe place to run oil lines?
How would I know why the US invaded Afghanistan?? Ask the Texas Village Idiot if he knows - then he'll ask Condi for the reasons!
Everyone knows, - unless you don't, - the reasons why the US "say" they went on that adventure.
I seriously doubt it is related to growing poppies tho!
PS... Were you educated in the US??XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.Comment
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Ok your speaking world wide I see, I was speaking on behalf of the US population. It is afterall where we are running these ads at.Originally posted by Why
i know many many coke users that dont smoke pot and have never done so. cocaine is much easier to transport/hide/smuggle. growing pot in some place like say japan is very high risk, weed goes for $80 a gram in some places of japan, were as coke is much easier to bring in and transport about the country.
and yes im fully aware of my plants and which drugs come from what. and what continents they are native to and where they grow.
and incase you were unaware crack is a dirivative of coke, so it is also grouped with coke, in my book.
granted, i agree with you that the statistics are fucked up but have you looked at the international statistics done by groups not funded by the UN/NATO. south and central american coke use is huge compared to thier marijuana usage.
furthermore in a lot of countries were people dont have the spare change to even eat let alone get high, only the wealthy have the ability to afford and use drugs, and we all know exactly what shelf they will be going to.... the white powder shelf.Comment
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oh darn, another pansy liberal canadian ignored me. my life has come to a complete end.Originally posted by directfiesta
Exactly what US troops are doing: barging in homes where families lives, yelling with their machine guns out.
Anyway, I just added you to my ignore list. Even Rooster doesn't sink to that low of a level....
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why does everyone keep bringing up education, we all frequent the internet, anyone with half a brain would go to the more non-mainstream news agencies for news. or international news at least to gather all the varying outlooks on the present world political climate.
point being that all countries lie to thier children when educating them, the school books in any country were written or approved by their government.Comment
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Yup I got me a US public ejucation.Originally posted by Webby
freeadultcontent:
DUH???
How would I know why the US invaded Afghanistan?? Ask the Texas Village Idiot if he knows - then he'll ask Condi for the reasons!
Everyone knows, - unless you don't, - the reasons why the US "say" they went on that adventure.
I seriously doubt it is related to growing poppies tho!
PS... Were you educated in the US??
I do not know why we invaded Afgan in all honesty. I know the reasons they claim, and well they do not feel like the right reasons. But alas that would be a conspiracy theory, well damn.
We got attacked, we needed to kill something and kill them fast, or the people would get very pissed off. We wanted explosions, blood, and bodies flying. Did not matter who's.Comment
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everyone should notice that the more stupid of the person and his post are the more "
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now you count who use the most in his post, that guy is the most stupid guy here.
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If quotes count I just lowered my intelllect to that of lime jello.Originally posted by lovefucking
everyone should notice that the more stupid of the person and his post are the more "
" they use. the stupid guy have to use it to cover their ignorance and fear.
now you count who use the most in his post, that guy is the most stupid guy here.
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I agree that life is expendable, but why are we so half assed about it? Its not just Iraqi lives that are expendable. Fuck, we could solve 90% of the worlds problems instantly by nuking most of the middle east and all of sub-saharan africa (after we've given the remaining white people time to flee of course).Comment
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my point exactly, had we been able to prove that afghanistan was behind 9/11 beyond the shadow of a doubt what the fuck was the problem with going into afghan and killing everything in site?
they sure didnt seem to show any prejudice against what kinds of americans they were killing.
but no you got all the fucking liberal PANSIES that want to point fingers, oops you killed the wrong person. too stupid to realize that person would have tried to kill someone else had they not been stopped.
when you are trying to remove a tree, dont cut it off as a stump, it will grow back, you need to take the mother fucker out by the roots.
same point with iraq, except i never have, and i dont think most americans felt threatened by saddam, and if they were they need to grow a spine and stop listening to the brianwashing thier media is giving them.Last edited by Why; 07-20-2003, 05:14 PM.Comment
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Sorry.. did not get where you were going!Webby I know I am being a pain in the ass. I am just trying to see how we tied drugs into this whole thing yet oil was left out.
Yes I like spewing conspiracy theories just for fun, because honestly I do not trust our leaders.
Somehow we went from 9/11 to Afghanistan and chassing bin laden, to morphing him into sadam and invading iraq. While a good chunk of the American people actually believe we have found WMD's in Iraq, and even more actually think sadam was behind 9/11 in the first place. To the point where one politician wanted the toppled statues to be melted down and placed in the new world trade center as a reminder.
Buy gas your helping the economy. Buy drugs and your funding terrorism. Question the Government and you are unpatriotic, fly a flag on your SUV and you are supporting the effort.
I reckon the drugs thing was just another "anti" to create the "enemy" - just propaganda shit along with - watch for Eastern people walking around with some long "pipes" attached to their backs and - "they could attack the US from the sea and watch for divers coming up the shoreline" crap.
After 9/11 there was paranoia, outrage and a "seeking of revenge" - more than understandable.
Since then, I don't doubt, that Bush and the Admin, who were failing miserably, found a new cloak in being a "war leader" to gain unswerving support. This "technique" has been proven time and time again.
Yea, oil sure has not gone unnoticed... Rice was the "chairwoman" (before her current job) in getting the oil line in place over Afghanistan. And then comes along a "convenient" series of "wars".
This US Admin has gotta to be one of the most evil the US ever had. Noone is perfect and you got to allow for that, but they have superceded all "imperfections" twenty times over!XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.Comment
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Pretty much the same generalisation that US folks have about "Freedom Fries" and the French have about "all US people are stupid"the IRAQI people are too stupid to realize that it's their own people and culture that's causing instability
Iraq culture has been around far longer than many, if that is stupid, well...
I doubt anyone like the US is going to change that.XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.Comment
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I'm sorry but I don't know that there is really enough proof if ANY that Afghanistan or Osama had anything to do with 911. If I missed something please feel free to post some evidence here!Originally posted by Why
my point exactly, had we been able to prove that afghanistan was behind 9/11 beyond the shadow of a doubt what the fuck was the problem with going into afghan and killing everything in site?Comment
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Because the news said so.Originally posted by Ironhorse
I'm sorry but I don't know that there is really enough proof if ANY that Afghanistan or Osama had anything to do with 911. If I missed something please feel free to post some evidence here!Comment
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CNN reports- An Invading Force has just taken Texas and insist that the people there are liberated and now Free!
The occupying power is declaring the oil is now thier's and all Texans must drop their weapons!
Guess how well that would sit with Americans...

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Old news, we stopped talking about Enron early this year.Originally posted by AlienQ
CNN reports- An Invading Force has just taken Texas and insist that the people there are liberated and now Free!
The occupying power is declaring the oil is now thier's and all Texans must drop their weapons!
Guess how well that would sit with Americans...Comment
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You can not expect Iraqi's or any other civilization of people to accept our way of life. Napoleon failed, Ceasar failed, Hitler failed, Ghenghis Khan failed Alexander The Great Failed and prolly several others in the history of mankind.
Whats so special about the US? Why do Americans believe they are any different from the assholes that have tried to conquer the world?
All the resources and money spent would be better off helping out our own people and faultering economy.

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Using Japan, Germany, etc. as an example of how well we can do in Iraq JUST DOESN'T FLY!Originally posted by theking
Japan is a success story for the US.
For starters, we're talking about a WORLD war over FIFTY years ago in a world MUCH different than today.
We're also talking about INDUSTRIALIZED, EDUCATED societies in Japan & Germany that do NOT exisit in Iraq.
This "We did it in Japan, we can do it in Iraq" is as dumb as the White House's current "plan" for "stablizing" Iraq.
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Originally posted by freeadultcontent
This conflict on the other hand is alot different. It is not black and white like Vietnam was.
Vietnam was a "black & white" war?
I don't think so..there was MUCH grey in it as it was a CIVIL war in one country..Viet Nam!
Do you see any guerilla warfare going on in Vietnam trying to overthrow the current government (or has there been since the end of the war in 1975?)?
No! We should have learned a big lesson in Nam but we didn't.
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In Japan we rebuilt them, then bought all of the tech goodies that they made. That nuke sure in the hell made them tech savy. We learned from the error of our ways though, then naughty Japanese people selling us stuff after we beat them.Originally posted by Centurion
This "We did it in Japan, we can do it in Iraq" is as dumb as the White House's current "plan" for "stablizing" Iraq.
So with Iraq we will rebuild, like nearly every country we attack or go to war with, but this time we will only use a select number of pre arranged contracts to re-build, and we will controll the assets of the country and sell the oil to ourselves at reasonable prices. Be damned if we let another country become free and then sell us stuff. Fuck that.Comment
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Don't fool yourself man. Ravaging armies like the Golden Horde or the Turkish Sultanate of the 1600s, Napoleon or others can take over big chunks of the world on the drop of a dime, disrupting economic patterns and social systems that take centuries to shape. THAT'S WHY the US is in Afghanistan an Iraq.Originally posted by AlienQ
You can not expect Iraqi's or any other civilization of people to accept our way of life. Napoleon failed, Ceasar failed, Hitler failed, Ghenghis Khan failed Alexander The Great Failed and prolly several others in the history of mankind.
Whats so special about the US? Why do Americans believe they are any different from the assholes that have tried to conquer the world?
All the resources and money spent would be better off helping out our own people and faultering economy.Comment
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NO NO NO! It's not even close to being comparable!Originally posted by theking
100% applicable...it is a classic study of how to convert an entire people to a different form of government and culture via the use of force.
Ask the Japanese or Germans if they can relate living the way the Iraqi's live! They can NOT relate because they have never lived in squalor conditions like we have in the middle east!
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Did you said iraki people aren't educated?Originally posted by Centurion
We're also talking about INDUSTRIALIZED, EDUCATED societies in Japan & Germany that do NOT exisit in Iraq.
You europeen ancestor was going to bagdad's University to get educated back in a days.Comment
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LONG LIVE CREEDANCE!Originally posted by afrocreep
Some folks are born to wave the flag,
Ooh, they're red, white and blue.
And when the band plays "Hail to the chief",
Ooh, they point the cannon at you, Lord,
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no senator's son, son.
It ain't me, it ain't me; I ain't no fortunate one, no,
Yeah!
Some folks are born silver spoon in hand,
Lord, don't they help themselves, oh.
But when the taxman comes to the door,
Lord, the house looks like a rummage sale, yes,
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no millionaire's son, no.
It ain't me, it ain't me; I ain't no fortunate one, no.
Some folks inherit star spangled eyes,
Ooh, they send you down to war, Lord,
And when you ask them, "How much should we give?"
Ooh, they only answer More! more! more! yoh,
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no military son, son.
It ain't me, it ain't me; I ain't no fortunate one, one.
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate one, no no no,
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son, no no no.

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Missunderstanding on black and white. In my opinion Vietnam was not entered into because of the civil war, it was entered into because we had to show communist (Russia) that we were willing to fight and die. Vietnam was just the psuedo war between Russia and the US. Again just an opinion that prolly is way off base.Originally posted by Centurion
Vietnam was a "black & white" war?
I don't think so..there was MUCH grey in it as it was a CIVIL war in one country..Viet Nam!
Do you see any guerilla warfare going on in Vietnam trying to overthrow the current government (or has there been since the end of the war in 1975?)?
No! We should have learned a big lesson in Nam but we didn't.
But I do see a few conections with Vietnam and Iraq.
We tell them to uprise against their government and we will support them. They launch attack, we change our mind. Ditto with the Shiates (spelling).
Everyone is a potential hostile and must be treated as so.
Ahh nevermind my brain went blank.Comment
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Ironically, the U.S. invasion of Afganistan re-opened the poppy trade. The Taliban (again ironically) had all but shut it down.Originally posted by freeadultcontent
But didnt we invade Afghanistan because of 9/11 and terrorism? Or did we invade them because they grow drugs that we can not get enough of?
Or was it just a convient place to house some troops and secure a safe place to run oil lines?
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How many Iraqi's have access to the internet?Originally posted by Why
why does everyone keep bringing up education, we all frequent the internet, anyone with half a brain would go to the more non-mainstream news agencies for news. or international news at least to gather all the varying outlooks on the present world political climate.
point being that all countries lie to thier children when educating them, the school books in any country were written or approved by their government.
Better yet..how many even have a telephone line?
Better yet, a computer?
Better yet, electricity to run a computer?
Not everyone was born and raised in a privileged country like the U.S.
It is amazing how arrogant we Americans (and other Westerners) have become towards the rest of the world.
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Originally posted by Thrawn$
Did you said iraki people aren't educated?
You europeen ancestor was going to bagdad's University to get educated back in a days.
And DOH..there were only about 5 or 6 countries in those days too!
We're talking about the 21st century dood! Catch up!
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Originally posted by Centurion
How many Iraqi's have access to the internet?
Better yet..how many even have a telephone line?
Better yet, a computer?
Better yet, electricity to run a computer?
Not everyone was born and raised in a privileged country like the U.S.
It is amazing how arrogant we Americans (and other Westerners) have become towards the rest of the world.
amazing how stupid and arrogant you Americans are.
Your gouvernement needs you to be stupid then it's easier for him to controle you..Comment
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Originally posted by Centurion
And DOH..there were only about 5 or 6 countries in those days too!
can you name those 5-6 country please Mr. Idiot?
If ill show you a world Map, Do you think you ll be able to find your city on? better yet, Your country?Comment


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