What is better quality traffic?

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xxxads is just a newbie reseller - beware.

http://board.gofuckyourself.com/show...hreadid=254040

at least I'm not providing shitty popup traffic...

I don't sell popups.

I can tell your blood pressure is really rising now.

<--- You.

<--- Me.

popups popunders... there's no diffrience.. it's still shit traffic...

from your site:

Q: What are the differences between the three types of traffic you sell?
A: We sell popunders, which we can filter by country.

You really do have alot to learn about this industry, don't ya?

I sell a variety af types of adult traffic - including clicked, niche traffic - at a fraction of what you charge.

You're a glutton for punishment.

contact me....

i can break down your options here with us at www.sex.com...

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Now how did I know some fucking idiot would come along that can't read or write but can copy and paste.

And you have a whole lot of schooling to go through in this business before you can come to the boards and start a war with a trusted and respected (and experienced ) traffic broker and member of this community.

The first thing you need to learn is that there are a zillion different types of traffic, and each has it's value. You don't get anywhere in this industry by vindictively seeking out a respected member of the community and launching attacks against them.

If you had a clue of the difference between banner clicks and exits/popunder/404 and the price differences, also the volumes per day, you'd be keeping your mouth shut right about now instead of shooting it.

The only thing you're saying really loud right now is just how ignorant you are about: 1) Traffic, 2) Business.

Soon, people will begin to shun you at the least, maybe even hate you. And I'm not just talking about Pat, I'm speaking about the community.

I'll be the first to say, it appears you don't know shit. Let's see, I can deilver 50/k per client per day, I move about a half million hits a day. I have clients I've had for like .. forever .. Therefore, I kinda know what the fuck I'm talking about.
How many banner clicks do you move a day? A hundred?

You don't have any experience = you don't have a voice on the subject. Go educate yourself, you sound like a fool.

what did the five fingers say to the face?

Bitch Slap ?

I started this thread to have an intellectual debate about quality traffic; but apparently that hasn?t happened here.

We are both selling 2 different types of traffic, in different ways. The question was; which one provides higher quality results? I believe targeted traffic from sites you specifically choose, using your own advertisements, provides better results for advertisers.

Am I wrong, if so, why am I wrong?

Let?s stop bad mouthing each other and debate it!

Shut the fuck up, you asshat.

xxxads put youre money where your mouth is hit me up
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well get you tested and put on our site

http://www.adult-traffic-review.com

might i add turboface knows what hes talking about

You've already pissed off Pat, rightfully so I feel on his part, so let me take a swing at it, you're about to get an education. My training fees are $50.00/hr.

Let me talk about my pricing and volume, because I have no idea what anyone else's numbers are.

Let's not debate pop, blur, 404, PPC, text click, banner click.. Instead, let's debate the value. Let me throw out a set of numbers that I work by, try and follow me..

These are ficticious numbers, because obviously, there's going to be data missing that cannot be provided without real-world input, something we have no way of getting here.
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I sell my bulk 404 traffic from $2.00 to $2.50, let's use $225.00 per hundred thousand as a base.

You sell your traffic for $50.00 per thousand.
Now we have that established.
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Client buys "x" number of hits from me. Let's say .. 500,000.

At $2.25/k this costs the client $1125.00 for half a mil.

Now, the price of membership is .. let's say, $40.00. Assuming the client is a site owner promoting his program, he needs to make 28 sales to break. The client needs to convert at 1:17857 (One : Seventeen thousand eight hundred fifty seven) to break . If we throw in recurring billing (2.5 month retention), that number is going to be more like 1:44,600 to break .

If the client converts at something like .. a little less than 1:9000 what's going to happen? Not counting re-bills.. He'll double his money.

Now, I need to say, 1:9000 with 404 on a $40.00 join is a little unrealistic, but 1:20,000 sure is not. At 1:20,000 with 2.5 months, we're looking at.. 17 members. 17 members recur for 2.5 @ $40.00 = $1700.00 . Now, do you retain for 3 day trials or do you retain for 4 - 6 months? I can't answer that.
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Instead, this client takes his $1125.00 to you instead. Maybe he wants banner clicks, I dunno.

$1125.00 buys him 22,500 banner clicks.

The client needs to convert at 1:803 to break.

Now, I've been a professional webmaster for 7 years. I make a full time living at this, and it affords me a lifestyle in one of the most desirable resort areas in the US, so I suppose that lets me comment intelligently on the subject.

1:803 seems a little unrealistic to me on most programs, without any sort of pre-sell other than a banner when the chips are really down, and you're looking at the final numbers.

Even at 1:803 there is very little margin for errors.

I have plenty of experience promoting, and I have good sponsors that don't convert at 1:800.

How fast can you deliver 22,500 banner clicks for $1125.00 ? Because I can send 500/k in about 15 days or so.

It?s a fact that can not be disputed that adult webmasters are paying 50 cents to a $1+ per click-thru on sites such as Yahoo and Google, so it all has to do with providing targeted quality traffic. If your ad says ?free porn, click here? you?ll get more traffic with less quality than if it said ?hardcore porn, $10/month?? and that?s just a fact!

I too have been making a very good living off of traffic for years now, and I too live in a resort city. I?m 27 years old, and I live in a million dollar home in the hills of Las Vegas overlooking the city. So you don?t impress me with that.

As for how long would it take us to provide 500k, longer than it would take you I?m sure, but it all depends on the category, and the number of sites we represent in the category. We?ve also only been open for a little over a month, so that contributes to why it would take us longer than you. But we?re adding new sites every day, and growing faster than we expected.

Now you're getting pissed because you sorta challenged someone to throw out the numbers, and I did

Clicks are not clicks, and banner clicks are probably at the bottom of the spectrum.

Banner clicks are not Yahoo clicks, Google whatever.

The cold truth is, banners actually suck and most surfers are banner blind anyhow. I haven't put a panner on a page, except in the form of a header, in like .. 2 years.

You're evidently going to do and say whatever you want, but don't come with your holier than thou attitude trying to slam someone or a product if you don't wanna know the truth.

Do you really think any traffic sold as a product is worth $50.00/k and that a margin on 1:800 is acceptable risk management?

Really?

I mean, you asked and I told. I'm still not sure you understand it though, I don't think you live in a million dollar house, and I don't think you make a living in this business.

You just don't fit in, and you don't understand what you're speaking of

LOL!!! I'm not getting pissed!

We sell banners, buttons, and text links of all sizes. And you?re right, banners do not perform as well as text links.. Other than that, I?ve got nothing to prove to you, so just go on believing that I?m a n00b and have no idea what I?m doing in this business. That?s fine with me! I believe enough in our service to look past that, and know we are providing the best service ever created for adult webmasters to buy and sell traffic.

Come on, please - You're just embarrassing yourself now.

Traffic resellers are nothing new.

Good luck with that, but you really should think twice before you come in sounding uneducated and begin slamming someone or their product or service.

Dollar for dollar, I'm pretty sure you don't have the most valuable service out there.

There are a lot of people selling a service that have a very solid rep in this industry, people that have a strong foundation and know exactly how this little deal works.

I mean, Choker, Pat, Carlos, Ravo, Jan on and on and on ..

Oh, and me.

We didn't get this position without sorta learning and knowing what we are talking about. Now, you can go on shooting off, and that's fine. If that's your pitch, then I wish you well.

So far it hasn't been too well received by your peers.

I told someone today, I can build a prettier (sounding) mousetrap and probably make nice money selling it, but when people realize it catches the same (dollar) amount of mice for a larger investment, well, they won't give a fuck about pretty, only the number of mice in the shortest amount of time.

Oh and.

You made a bad enemy with Pat. That was a bad choice. Not that he's my brother or anything, hell we're competition sorta. But it's sometimes nice to be able to chat with people in the same business as you to get the feel of the beat.

Don't burn all your bridges, you won't be able to get home.

Night