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Will You Settle With the RIAA? Are you going to stop trading files?

07-19-2003, 08:58 AM

Are you going to suck it up and pay the $3500 you owe the recording industry?

Although that is not the "official" settlement figure, as the RIAA is open to proposals from defendants.

Like Acacia, I suppose most of you will just ignore the matter.

"U.S. copyright laws allow for damages of $750 to $150,000 for each song offered illegally on a person's computer, but the RIAA has said it would be open to settlement proposals from defendants."

I guess you can keep trading movie files and warez but how soon until the MPAA and the Business Software Alliance subpoena you too.

Is file trading finished? Will you accept responsilbility for taking other people's work without paying for it?

For webmasters, would you steal a design template or approve of the theft of a gallery? MP3 theft and content theft are the same crime in principle.
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07-19-2003, 09:02 AM

shadup scrappy!

there will be p2p for as long as we will be around. Regardless of laws and whatnot, someone will find a way ...

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07-19-2003, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2
shadup scrappy!

there will be p2p for as long as we will be around. Regardless of laws and whatnot, someone will find a way ...

so you'd steal content and layout design as well? You avoided the question.
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07-19-2003, 09:18 AM

well, i dont live in usa, so i can fuck all stupid US rules and laws.

I don't give a shit.
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07-19-2003, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by matulo
well, i dont live in usa, so i can fuck all stupid US rules and laws.

yeah, and to hell with those whom you fuck over...lame ass childlike response
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07-19-2003, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by matulo
well, i dont live in usa, so i can fuck all stupid US rules and laws.

it's not a mystery why Americans are starting to hate all foriegners.
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07-19-2003, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by Robocop

it's not a mystery why Americans are starting to hate all foriegners.

my belief is that we all come from the same planet , It matters not to me if they are from another country... I just hate assholes who deliberately fuck people over with no care or concern..Matulo is obviouolsy still a child in his mind..
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07-19-2003, 09:45 AM

I'm going to continue to trade music files. I have cut my collection available for sharing down a bit. I used to have over 1,000 songs avaialble, but now I have cut it back to like 500 or so.

I think sharing music is everyones right. I'm not stealing it. If some buddy allows me to barrow his CD and I record it then what is the problem. You think just because it is on a much larger scale that it is not allright. How many times did you barrow your buddy's CD or tape back in the days and make a copy of it. THe music industry needs to wake the fuck up and realize that the internt is here and is going to stay. Deal with it. THere are no more major record sales, thats over. If a band wants to make money get off their ass and get on the road. THe only one who was making any money off the CD sales any way were the record companies, the band makes not even half of what the record companies make off of it. Lower your fucking prices on CD's. Why should I pay $17+ for a CD with only a few songs I like, get real!

And no I would not steal a design or content. Totally diffrent thing. I use the music for my personal use and not to make money off of it.
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07-19-2003, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by Horny Dude
I think sharing music is everyones right. I'm not stealing it.

You are stealing content without paying for it.

I think sharing content and template designs is a right. I'm not stealing it. Therefore, I wish to thank you for allowing me to use http://www.sexysophia.com/ and some of the other graphics and content you have in your portfolio.

Thank you.
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07-19-2003, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by Robocop

You are stealing content without paying for it.

I think sharing content and template designs is a right. I'm not stealing it. Therefore, I wish to thank you for allowing me to use http://www.sexysophia.com/ and some of the other graphics and content you have in your portfolio.

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07-19-2003, 10:01 AM

Record companies overprice cd's so fucking much... then they wonder why people dont buy them. 18-19 bucks for a cd? who is that out of their mind to buy 4+ cd's a week... especially when their target market is youth.

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07-19-2003, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by Robocop

You are stealing content without paying for it.

I think sharing content and template designs is a right. I'm not stealing it. Therefore, I wish to thank you for allowing me to use http://www.sexysophia.com/ and some of the other graphics and content you have in your portfolio.

Thank you.

I hate to admit it, but I agree. The only reason I share music files on Kazza etc is because I hate the way they fuck the artisits, the consumer, and everyone else who dares stand up to them.

But I agree it's theft. I use Kazza, but if the closing of P2P networks means developers get more money and produce better products then I am all for it.

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07-19-2003, 10:05 AM

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07-19-2003, 10:39 AM

Its a difficult concept to grasp...that we all have a responsibility to end this file trading thing.

You cant very well take a stand on the the "unfairness" of the Acacia patent matter while demanding the right to continue to download MP3's.
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07-19-2003, 10:42 AM

Why do you seem to care so much that people stop trading music over p2p networks?

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07-19-2003, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by Horny Dude
I'm going to continue to trade music files. I have cut my collection available for sharing down a bit. I used to have over 1,000 songs avaialble, but now I have cut it back to like 500 or so.

I think sharing music is everyones right. I'm not stealing it. If some buddy allows me to barrow his CD and I record it then what is the problem. You think just because it is on a much larger scale that it is not allright. How many times did you barrow your buddy's CD or tape back in the days and make a copy of it. THe music industry needs to wake the fuck up and realize that the internt is here and is going to stay. Deal with it. THere are no more major record sales, thats over. If a band wants to make money get off their ass and get on the road. THe only one who was making any money off the CD sales any way were the record companies, the band makes not even half of what the record companies make off of it. Lower your fucking prices on CD's. Why should I pay $17+ for a CD with only a few songs I like, get real!

And no I would not steal a design or content. Totally diffrent thing. I use the music for my personal use and not to make money off of it.

I'm gonna download all your content and put it on kazaa.

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07-19-2003, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by Robocop
Are you going to suck it up and pay the $3500 you owe the recording industry?

Although that is not the "official" settlement figure, as the RIAA is open to proposals from defendants.

Like Acacia, I suppose most of you will just ignore the matter.

"U.S. copyright laws allow for damages of $750 to $150,000 for each song offered illegally on a person's computer, but the RIAA has said it would be open to settlement proposals from defendants."

I guess you can keep trading movie files and warez but how soon until the MPAA and the Business Software Alliance subpoena you too.

Is file trading finished? Will you accept responsilbility for taking other people's work without paying for it?

For webmasters, would you steal a design template or approve of the theft of a gallery? MP3 theft and content theft are the same crime in principle.

i don't like cd's and buying mp3's is a pain in the ass. until they get off their ass and do something i won't buy shit.
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07-19-2003, 10:47 AM

I stopped using kazaa, but started to use a anon prog

See if they can stop this project

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07-19-2003, 10:57 AM

Purely on the music front is amazes me that the record companies have totally missed a very valuable income source and instead wasted millions chasing kids.

People here compared to average Joe Surfer are fairly clued up for the most part, yet 50% stated they would pay for GOOD, resonably priced, downloadable music. It's meant to finally be arriving but why the hell has it taken this long? The people running the music industry are their own worst enemies.

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07-19-2003, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by Robocop

You are stealing content without paying for it.

I think sharing content and template designs is a right. I'm not stealing it. Therefore, I wish to thank you for allowing me to use http://www.sexysophia.com/ and some of the other graphics and content you have in your portfolio.

Thank you.

Let he without an illegal mp3 on his hard drive cast the first stone.

Now that we've addressed the fact that you are sin free let's take your little hypocritical stance even further.

I'm not going to defend p2p file shareing etc, because as we all know on the face of it it's "theft," and is taking a dime out of someone's pocket.

But for you to stand here and act as if you're as innocent as a newborn baby is well just utter bullshit. It's usually the self-righteous ones who are the dirtiest.

If it begins with file sharing where does it end?

It's theft of content, but is it for commercial gain? With most people no.

What about the fonts on your sites? Are they all so called "free" fonts?

Are you following the terms of service in the licenses to use the "free" fonts?

Giving the artists credit?

Paying for their use if you use it on a commercial site?

Linking to the artist?

Notifying them when you use their font?

All these things I've seen in "free" font licenses.

Are you following the TOS to the T?

I doubt it. And guess what? You're profiting from theft of content...oh my fucking God get down on your knees and ask the virgin mary to plead with her son for forgiveness because you are surely going to hell.

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07-19-2003, 11:10 AM

I have two words for RIAA

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07-19-2003, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by eroswebmaster
Let he without an illegal mp3 on his hard drive cast the first stone.

Another fucking apologist. Yada, yada, yada but the way i see it if you're willing to steal from a record company than youre also willing to abuse technology to steal from a sponsor/affiliate or shave.

Theft is theft.

Whats wrong with atoning for your technology sins?

Remember, somebody worked hard to produce those songs....mmmkay?
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07-19-2003, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by Robocop

Another fucking apologist. Yada, yada, yada but the way i see it if you're willing to steal from a record company than youre also willing to abuse technology to steal from a sponsor/affiliate or shave.

Theft is theft.

Whats wrong with atoning for your technology sins?

Remember, somebody worked hard to produce those songs....mmmkay?

How convenient you just quoted part of my post.

Afraid to confront your own issues are you?

I'm done with this thread...as I'm sure you're just another made up "character" here to stroke your fragile ego.

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07-19-2003, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by Robocop

so you'd steal content and layout design as well? You avoided the question.

It isnt the same. Would you spend $1000 on 20 different TGP designs when all you wanted was just the one design, but you had to buy them all?
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07-19-2003, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by notjoe

It isnt the same. Would you spend $1000 on 20 different TGP designs when all you wanted was just the one design, but you had to buy them all?

You know they do sell CD singles, right?
Chances are its of the 1 song that most people want off the album anyways.

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07-19-2003, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by notjoe

It isnt the same. Would you spend $1000 on 20 different TGP designs when all you wanted was just the one design, but you had to buy them all?

So if you went to a site selling 20 design packages and liked one, would you just swipe the one you wanted since you couldn't buy them one at a time?

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07-19-2003, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by MassAppeal

You know they do sell CD singles, right?
Chances are its of the 1 song that most people want off the album anyways.

What a daft reply. Have you tried getting a CD single that's no longer top40 AND seen the price of those that are? Besides which I'm buggered if I want to change a CD every 3 mins because the track's finished.

That said you have to laugh at the people in some of the posts above who try to justify their actions refusing to call theft, theft. For fucks sake if you steal be man enough to admit it.

Again the solution for many people has been available for a very long time but the record inustry would rather chase children than actually use it.

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07-19-2003, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by eroswebmaster

Afraid to confront your own issues are you?

I have downloaded MP3's in the past...but youre the one demanding the right to keep stealing.
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07-19-2003, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by FATPad
So if you went to a site selling 20 design packages and liked one, would you just swipe the one you wanted since you couldn't buy them one at a time?

I wouldnt buy any of it, and where did i say i would swipe it? stop assuming shit :P
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07-19-2003, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by Tipsy

What a daft reply. Have you tried getting a CD single that's no longer top40 AND seen the price of those that are? Besides which I'm buggered if I want to change a CD every 3 mins because the track's finished.

That said you have to laugh at the people in some of the posts above who try to justify their actions refusing to call theft, theft. For fucks sake if you steal be man enough to admit it.

Again the solution for many people has been available for a very long time but the record inustry would rather chase children than actually use it.

that all being said I do agree with you... I just think your little thing relating tgp designs to cds was a bad example.

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07-19-2003, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by Robocop

I have downloaded MP3's in the past...but youre the one demanding the right to keep stealing.

I'm going to have to come back if not only to point out your hypocrisy...but also your lack of comprehension skills.

show me anywhere where I am "demanding the right to keep stealing."

I only pointed out your self-rightousness...'tis all.

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07-19-2003, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by MassAppeal

You know they do sell CD singles, right?
Chances are its of the 1 song that most people want off the album anyways.

That is the point. They rather rape you and make you buy the CD instead of charging (17 tracks / cost of the CD = ) X amount per song. If people had the chance to buy the song(s) they wanted at the price it should be do you honestly believe they would ever sell 80% of the shit out there?

Want the one song? Buy the CD for $15, want the FULL CD? Buy it for 20, which translates into that one song having a value of what? $15? So sell me the other 14 songs for $5.

This will never happen because the studios fill CDS with filler crap. Product a CD worth the price you charge and maybe you wont have so many people ripping their product off.

Finally, what about my right as a consumer? Why is it if i buy a CD and i dont like it i cannot bring it back? If i buy a pair of shoes and dont like it i would bring that back, and get a refund.
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07-19-2003, 11:51 AM

music is an art and art should be shared!

if bands want to make money, like someone said they should get off their fucking ass and tour, most the popular bands out there cant play for jack shit live anyway.

i fucking hope people keep stealing music and i hope more and more music is stolen because the record companies are complete bullshit, just trying to make money off of other peoples work.

people need to start appreciating live music more and maybe with the record companies being the way they are maybe people will start trading live shows more and mnaybe the record companies will start signing more bands that are actually worth going and paying to see a show, bands that have more than one good song.. http://db.etree.org

also, about ripping off layouts, that and stealing music are 2 completely different things imo
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07-19-2003, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by notjoe

They rather rape you

Your whole argument is based on that? A personal opinion?
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07-19-2003, 11:58 AM

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music is an art and art should be shared!

pornography is a natural expression of human sexuality and sexuality should be shared.

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07-19-2003, 12:00 PM

People buy content with the intention of making their money back plus more. People buy CD's for personal enjoyment.

theres a little bit of a difference.

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07-19-2003, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by MassAppeal
People buy content with the intention of making their money back plus more. People buy CD's for personal enjoyment.

theres a little bit of a difference.

People work in the entertainment industry to get paid...not for your personal enjoyment.
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07-19-2003, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by MassAppeal
People buy content with the intention of making their money back plus more. People buy CD's for personal enjoyment.

theres a little bit of a difference.

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07-19-2003, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by Robocop

People work in the entertainment industry to get paid...not for your personal enjoyment.

We are talking about the consumers here... the people trading files. Somehow I doubt we are burning all the mp3s to cds and selling them for 10 bucks each at the swap meet.

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07-19-2003, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by MassAppeal

We are talking about the consumers here... the people trading files. Somehow I doubt we are burning all the mp3s to cds and selling them for 10 bucks each at the swap meet.

Keep rationalizing. Commerce is based on the principle of people getting paid for the work they produce.

Apparently you believe in Marxism/socialism/communism or some shit.
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07-19-2003, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by MassAppeal

You know they do sell CD singles, right?
Chances are its of the 1 song that most people want off the album anyways.

too expensive, especially when cd's suck shit
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07-19-2003, 12:08 PM

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07-19-2003, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by MassAppeal

We are talking about the consumers here... the people trading files. Somehow I doubt we are burning all the mp3s to cds and selling them for 10 bucks each at the swap meet.

they do it in thailand heh
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07-19-2003, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by Robocop

Keep rationalizing. Commerce is based on the principle of people getting paid for the work they produce.

Apparently you believe in Marxism/socialism/communism or some shit.

If only the artists got paid what they deserved from the record companies, then I might agree.

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07-19-2003, 12:09 PM

Originally posted by FlyingIguana

they do it in thailand heh

yeah but we are talking about US in this thread... the adult webmasters.

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07-19-2003, 12:09 PM

Originally posted by MassAppeal

If only the artists got paid what they deserved from the record companies, then I might agree.

Again with the rationalization.

Isnt that an issue for artists to decide and not for some guy who needs an easy cop-out?
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07-19-2003, 12:15 PM

do the artists really have a choice? if they need money they gotta take what they can get and i dont think the record company is gonna go bankrupt if they don't sign one artist because the artist doesnt like what theyll be getting paid- the record company is in control
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07-19-2003, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by Robocop

Again with the rationalization.

Isnt that an issue for artists to decide and not for some guy who needs an easy cop-out?

For some more rationalization... the record companies make more money than ever, regardless of mp3s. We are getting way off topic here. For ALL of us its a question of ethics over legalities. We all know that they arent going to bust everyone with mp3s on their computer. We all rationalize why we do what we do.

And for the record I spend over 100 bucks a week on records, thats my easy cop out.

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07-19-2003, 12:23 PM

I wonder how long it will be before they start offering rewards to tech's who while working on someone's computer comes across a shitload of mp3's that are more than likely stolen and turn over the owner's info.

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07-19-2003, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by eroswebmaster
I wonder how long it will be before they start offering rewards to tech's who while working on someone's computer comes across a shitload of mp3's that are more than likely stolen and turn over the owner's info.

they would be getting themselves into hot water for turning someone over if it wasn't stolen mp3's. i know a few people with a zillion cd's that they made mp3's of.
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