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  • PerfectionGirls
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Oct 2002
    • 4484

    #1

    CCBills Announcement on the new Visa Chargeback guidelines

    Just got the following info from CCBill! Thanks guys!!!

    ___________________________________

    Important VISA IPSP Information For CCBill Clients!

    As all of you are aware, the e-commerce, card-not-present landscape continues to evolve and change at fairly rapid speeds. The high-risk industry, specifically adult, has been under intense scrutiny for the past two years by all the credit card associations, politicians, and the banking and financial industry in general. CCBill has attempted to maintain positive relationships with these associations and organizations, as their payment mechanisms are the only viable options for digital downloadable and immediate access service providers. In an effort to clarify, and even restate some recent comments by others in our industry, CCBill has created this document for our clients.

    Visa IPSP Program Changes
    Effective October 1, 2003 Visa will lower their monitoring thresholds of its ?Merchant Chargeback Monitoring Program? for all merchants, regardless of their business classification, from 2.5% to 1%. In conjunction with that threshold decrease, Visa has raised the minimum number of chargebacks (cb?s) threshold per month to 100 from 50. Furthermore, as of January 1, 2004, Visa will alter its ?Global Merchant Chargeback Monitoring Program? from 2.5% International Chargebacks to an International sales ratio of 2.0% and increase the minimum number of chargebacks to 200 from 100.

    In response to questions regarding these global changes and their effect on an IPSP?s portfolio, CCBill has received the following clarifications from Visa:

    An IPSP?s overall portfolio must stay within the new thresholds, the same as before the rule change. However, effective October 2003, the reports that an IPSP submits to Visa each month for Sponsored Merchant activity (under a High-Risk IPSP or HRIPSP) will be adjusted downward from 2.50% / 50 cb's to 1% / 100 cb's. Thus, in November, the HRIPSP program will begin reviewing October data to detect Sponsored Merchants who fall above the new 1% / 100 cb?s threshold. FYI, this is the same information that Paycom accurately passed on to many members of the industry last week.

    If a Sponsored Merchant is detected above the new threshold, the IPSP will be asked to lower the cb ratio within a reasonable time period. If the Sponsored Merchant and the IPSP fail to lower the cb ratio within an acceptable period, Visa may require the IPSP to assign a specific name descriptor to the Sponsored Merchant in order to facilitate their inclusion into Visa's risk programs, just as they would with any other non-compliant merchant.

    What does this mean for CCBill clients?
    CCBill does not anticipate major changes to any of our systems as our portfolio, and that of our clients, appear to be compliant with the above mentioned policy changes. Of course, CCBill will continue to monitor our portfolio?s performance and that of our clients and reserves the right to mandate and implement changes as necessary. Furthermore, should any of our individual clients need specific modifications, CCBill will, as always, continue to work directly with those clients.

    What suggestions does CCBill have to minimize Chargebacks?
    CCBill would like to take a moment to stress the key areas that we believe this industry and individual website operators can focus on in their efforts to minimize consumer complaints, and ultimately chargebacks and refunds:


    Be selective with your business partners/referrers and monitor their performance.
    As mentioned by others previously, run revenue sharing referral models. Flat pay and pay per sign-up referral models invite fraudulent referrers.
    Provide clear and accurate marketing to the consumer.
    Make cancellation a reasonable process. One way or another, if a consumer wants to cancel they will. So, allow them to do so. Otherwise, they WILL go to their issuing bank, because they have no other option.
    Provide the content you say you are going to provide.
    Report any suspected referral fraud to [email protected], including as detailed a description as possible of the fraud occurrence/s.
    If your site experiences technical difficulties or service outages for more than a 3 hour period, please notify our CCBill Technical Support Department at [email protected], so that we may be better able to assist your customers.

    Although we are all aware that 70-80% of all chargebacks and refunds come from consumers that actually received service, it is in everyone?s best interest to minimize any additional opportunities for problems.

    If you have any questions regarding the new regulations, please feel free to contact us at [email protected], or call us at 800.510.2859.

    We appreciate your business and look forward to seeing you at Internext in August.

    Ron Cadwell
    CCBill.com
    Last edited by PerfectionGirls; 07-17-2003, 10:48 AM.
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  • cotsios
    Confirmed User
    • Oct 2001
    • 1371

    #2
    What about free trails?
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    • PerfectionGirls
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Oct 2002
      • 4484

      #3
      Great advise... glad a re-read this area. Nice guys.... always helpful when you give your clients sound advise.



      " Be selective with your business partners/referrers and monitor their performance.
      As mentioned by others previously, run revenue sharing referral models. Flat pay and pay per sign-up referral models invite fraudulent referrers.
      Provide clear and accurate marketing to the consumer.
      Make cancellation a reasonable process. One way or another, if a consumer wants to cancel they will. So, allow them to do so. Otherwise, they WILL go to their issuing bank, because they have no other option.
      Provide the content you say you are going to provide.
      Report any suspected referral fraud to [email protected], including as detailed a description as possible of the fraud occurrence/s.
      If your site experiences technical difficulties or service outages for more than a 3 hour period, please notify our CCBill Technical Support Department at [email protected], so that we may be better able to assist your customers. "
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      • Master_Yoba
        Confirmed User
        • Jul 2002
        • 1273

        #4
        Originally posted by cotsios
        What about free trails?
        Hmm, nothing heard about CCBill free trial. I think CCBill was away this dangerous thing
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        • Master_Yoba
          Confirmed User
          • Jul 2002
          • 1273

          #5
          Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
          .....As mentioned by others previously, run revenue sharing referral models. Flat pay and pay per sign-up referral models invite fraudulent referrers.
          Provide clear and accurate marketing to the consumer.
          Make cancellation a reasonable process. One way or another, if a consumer wants to cancel they will. So, allow them to do so. Otherwise, they WILL go to their issuing bank, because they have no other option.
          Provide the content you say you are going to provide. ...
          That's right!

          As a CCBill client I can consider this Visa & CCBill new rules as a good news for this industry

          Thanks to Visa and thnks to CCBill
          WATCH MORE PORN

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          • corvette
            Confirmed User
            • Oct 2001
            • 7880

            #6
            Originally posted by cotsios
            What about free trails?
            Business as usual at CCBill.

            As I had mentioned in a previous thread, CCBill has always quickly addressed any chargeback risk/chargeback issues with our clients as a priority in the highest regard.
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            • mrsexkey
              Confirmed User
              • Dec 2002
              • 197

              #7
              Free trials will remain as long as you can continue to keep under the new Visa regulations of 1% domestic and 2% international. But as many of you know, it is not a very easy benchmark to hit. Especially with the built in fraud associated with free trials. We have been told by CCBill that we can continue to keep our free trial signup system as long as it is compliance with Visa.

              So how about some of you guys send me some GOOD signups. Help keep us over the 1% threshold.

              -Hank
              The new face(s) of billing
              Payze.com

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              • mrsexkey
                Confirmed User
                • Dec 2002
                • 197

                #8
                You beat me to it Corvet...

                -Hank
                The new face(s) of billing
                Payze.com

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                • BradShaw
                  Confirmed User
                  • Oct 2001
                  • 7840

                  #9
                  Good email, very well said. CCbill is a solid operation. My only complaint with them is the techs.
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                  • mrsexkey
                    Confirmed User
                    • Dec 2002
                    • 197

                    #10
                    Did I say over the 1% threshold ? I meant UNDER the 1% threshold. Damn. I must have Visa on the brain today.

                    -Hank
                    The new face(s) of billing
                    Payze.com

                    GFY Awards - Vote for Payze !!!

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                    • Kimmykim
                      bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                      • Jun 2001
                      • 16015

                      #11
                      Originally posted by mrsexkey
                      Did I say over the 1% threshold ? I meant UNDER the 1% threshold. Damn. I must have Visa on the brain today.

                      -Hank
                      LOL Hank, go play some twilite golf

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                      • funkmaster
                        So Fucking Banned
                        • Sep 2001
                        • 7938

                        #12
                        ... I predict no third party biller will be in business by march 2004 ... mark my words.

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                        • corvette
                          Confirmed User
                          • Oct 2001
                          • 7880

                          #13
                          Originally posted by BradShaw
                          Good email, very well said. CCbill is a solid operation. My only complaint with them is the techs.
                          Thanks for the kind words Brad, just so you know; we have some things in the works that are going to amaze our clients, support wise...well into the future
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                          • Centurion
                            Confirmed User
                            • Dec 2002
                            • 6033

                            #14
                            Originally posted by corvett


                            Thanks for the kind words Brad, just so you know; we have some things in the works that are going to amaze our clients, support wise...well into the future
                            I'm glad I read the messages on here. Never did get this email.

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                            • Rui
                              web
                              • Dec 2001
                              • 9533

                              #15
                              corvett - do you use icq, would like to ask you a few things

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                              • BVF
                                Black Vagina Finder
                                • Jan 2002
                                • 13975

                                #16
                                100 chargebacks!! That is a number that would be impossible for me to reach...

                                I'm not worried

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                                • corvette
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Oct 2001
                                  • 7880

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Centurion
                                  I'm glad I read the messages on here. Never did get this email.
                                  If you log into your CCBill reports, you should see the message posted inside.


                                  Originally posted by Rui
                                  corvett - do you use icq, would like to ask you a few things
                                  45471840
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                                  • appleboy
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Jun 2002
                                    • 291

                                    #18
                                    Although we are all aware that 70-80% of all chargebacks and refunds come from consumers that actually received service, it is in everyone?s best interest to minimize any additional opportunities for problems....
                                    how come no one is dealing with the majority of the chargebacks and it seems the porn industry just sitting this one out

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                                    • sexyavs
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Feb 2002
                                      • 615

                                      #19
                                      Seriously though the admin area of ccbill with the new java crap is actually very slick!

                                      Im impressed..it must have been kimmys idea!

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                                      • KCat
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Sep 2002
                                        • 2204

                                        #20
                                        Can someone please explain the 50/100 cb rule? I'm not clear on that. Having a blonde moment?

                                        Thanks!

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                                        • Drake
                                          Hello world!
                                          • Mar 2003
                                          • 12508

                                          #21
                                          A wonderful and informative statement by CCBill. They're tops.

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                                          • Kimmykim
                                            bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                                            • Jun 2001
                                            • 16015

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by appleboy
                                            Although we are all aware that 70-80% of all chargebacks and refunds come from consumers that actually received service, it is in everyone?s best interest to minimize any additional opportunities for problems....
                                            how come no one is dealing with the majority of the chargebacks and it seems the porn industry just sitting this one out
                                            Perhaps CCBill has no problem with their ratios?

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                                            • Carrie
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Apr 2002
                                              • 3162

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by KCat
                                              Can someone please explain the 50/100 cb rule? I'm not clear on that. Having a blonde moment?

                                              Thanks!
                                              I'm not sure where you're getting 50, but the rule goes like so...
                                              IF you receive 100 or more chargebacks per month, then you must keep your chargeback ratio at less than 1% of total transactions.
                                              If you don't have 100 chargebacks per month, you don't have to worry about staying under 1%. (Most likely you're under it anyway because 100 cb's at 1% is 10,000 transactions per month.)

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                                              • chupacabra
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Sep 2002
                                                • 3626

                                                #24
                                                Perhaps CCBill has no problem with their ratios?
                                                ...promise her a defamation, tell her where the rain will fall..

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                                                • Swoit
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Apr 2003
                                                  • 256

                                                  #25
                                                  Hey Ron / Corvett

                                                  You guys are the best - kee up the good work. It gives me great peace of mind as a program owner that you guys are always so solid and in good standing with the big industry players.

                                                  Hank - you got a sec to hit me up on ICQ when you're free.. thanks mate



                                                  Steve
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                                                  • Kimmykim
                                                    bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                                                    • Jun 2001
                                                    • 16015

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Carrie

                                                    I'm not sure where you're getting 50, but the rule goes like so...
                                                    IF you receive 100 or more chargebacks per month, then you must keep your chargeback ratio at less than 1% of total transactions.
                                                    If you don't have 100 chargebacks per month, you don't have to worry about staying under 1%. (Most likely you're under it anyway because 100 cb's at 1% is 10,000 transactions per month.)
                                                    WRONG.

                                                    You still have to worry about your cb ratio. You simply do not incur the same fine schedule for smaller volume as you do for large.

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                                                    • PerfectionGirls
                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                      • 4484

                                                      #27
                                                      A wonderful and informative statement by CCBill. They're tops.
                                                      For sure!
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                                                      • ServerGenius
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Feb 2002
                                                        • 9377

                                                        #28
                                                        Mark let's do steak in Hollywood Prime.....CU in 1.5 week fella!

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                                                        • corvette
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Oct 2001
                                                          • 7880

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by DynaSpain
                                                          Mark let's do steak in Hollywood Prime.....CU in 1.5 week fella!

                                                          DynaMite
                                                          sounds good to me
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                                                          • Rochard
                                                            Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                                            • Dec 2001
                                                            • 75762

                                                            #30
                                                            Anyone notice that CCBill's statement about the new Visa rules and the other credit card processors differ? Everyone else seems to be making changes - companies are saying they'll have to reduce payouts - yet CCBill is saying nothing is going to change for the most part.

                                                            What it really boils down to..... If your running shit sites with crappy member's areas, hiding cancels, and just generally fucking off..... Your gonna have problems.

                                                            The adult industry is going through a change..... If you do things right, you'll be fine. If not, you'll be out of business.
                                                            Herschel Savage
                                                            Brooklyn, NY

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                                                            • KCat
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Sep 2002
                                                              • 2204

                                                              #31
                                                              Thanks Kimmykim. That clears it up.

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                                                              • xxxdesign-net
                                                                My hips don't lie
                                                                • Nov 2002
                                                                • 10129

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Kimmykim


                                                                You simply do not incur the same fine schedule for smaller volume as you do for large.
                                                                can someone elaborate on that?

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                                                                • PerfectionGirls
                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                  • 4484

                                                                  #33
                                                                  What it really boils down to..... If your running shit sites with crappy member's areas, hiding cancels, and just generally fucking off..... Your gonna have problems.
                                                                  Excellent!!
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                                                                  • chowda
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Jun 2003
                                                                    • 9527

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by funkmaster
                                                                    ... I predict no third party biller will be in business by march 2004 ... mark my words.
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                                                                    • Kimmykim
                                                                      bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                                                                      • Jun 2001
                                                                      • 16015

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by xxxdesign-net


                                                                      can someone elaborate on that?
                                                                      The fines are stated for high volume accounts that are problematic, I'd suggest you talk to your processor about any questions you have since they are all taking their own path down this road.

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