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  • Mr.Fiction
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    Spain plans to pull all troops out of Iraq immediatly

    Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, has promised to immediately withdraw Spain's 1,300 troops from Iraq, orient Spain's foreign policy away from the United States and restore good relations with anti-war European allies, France and Germany.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Mar14.html

    Another Bush foreign policy success?
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  • FrankWhite
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    #2
    spain = bunch of pussies !!!

    they should fight for their right !

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    • boris77
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      #3
      Is this for real?

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      • B40
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        #4
        Guess the bombing worked for Al Qaeda....other countries are going to be thinking if they have troops there, will they be bombed next?

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        • arial
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          #5
          So Spain is going to let the terrorist win this way? Damn

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          • Ironhorse
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            #6
            Originally posted by B40
            Guess the bombing worked for Al Qaeda....other countries are going to be thinking if they have troops there, will they be bombed next?
            Wow, this almost seems to indicate that they can influence elections with some well placed bombs
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            • piker
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              #7
              Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
              Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, has promised to immediately withdraw Spain's 1,300 troops from Iraq, orient Spain's foreign policy away from the United States and restore good relations with anti-war European allies, France and Germany.

              http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Mar14.html

              Another Bush foreign policy success?
              Would anyone be surprised if after the investigations are complete this Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero is shown to have a hand in this tragedy.
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              • Mr.Fiction
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                #8
                Originally posted by piker


                Would anyone be surprised if after the investigations are complete this Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero is shown to have a hand in this tragedy.
                Would you be surprised if Bush had a hand in 9/11?
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                • Roger
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                  #9
                  They had nothing to do in Iraq anyway. New government, new vision. Any country can leave Iraq without a problem except for the US, it'll reflect badly on them, even if a new president comes in.

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                  • Gheenz
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by arial
                    So Spain is going to let the terrorist win this way? Damn
                    From what it says in the article, I guess so. That's sad to let a group of terrorists hold that much control over an entire country.
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                    • WarChild
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                      #11
                      Just pave Iraq already, and charge the rest of Europe to park there.
                      .

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                      • Mr.Fiction
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Roger
                        They had nothing to do in Iraq anyway. New government, new vision. Any country can leave Iraq without a problem except for the US, it'll reflect badly on them, even if a new president comes in.
                        Neither Kerry nor Bush supports pulling U.S. troops out of Iraq immediately.
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                        • Nysus
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by milhouse_dick

                          From what it says in the article, I guess so. That's sad to let a group of terrorists hold that much control over an entire country.
                          Are you talking about the US? I know you're not, but your statement reflects true for the US as well. Just an observation.

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                          • StuartD
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Doomed
                            spain = bunch of pussies !!!

                            they should fight for their right !
                            How exactly is having troops in Iraq considered fighting for their right?
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                            • Illicit
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                              #15
                              Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero = Big Pussy
                              Insert Sig Here

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                              • SENSEX
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                                #16
                                I love Spanish food. Taste soooo goood, just like Spanish pussy

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                                • Alex From San Diego
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


                                  Would you be surprised if Bush had a hand in 9/11?
                                  you are an idiot...
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                                  • Mr.Fiction
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by arial
                                    So Spain is going to let the terrorist win this way? Damn
                                    The United States made a move to the right after the WTC bombing, is that letting the terrorists win too? Or do the terrorists only "win" if a country doesn't do what Bush says?

                                    The Spanish people are against terrorism, but they have never supported the war in Iraq.
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                                    • StuartD
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Alex From San Diego


                                      you are an idiot...
                                      Why, for considering all possibilities and not just blindly following someone because of his job title?
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                                      • GirlNinja
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                                        #20
                                        good relations with anti-war European allies, France and Germany??

                                        why the fuck would anyone want to team up with those pussies???

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                                        • Roger
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


                                          Neither Kerry nor Bush supports pulling U.S. troops out of Iraq immediately.
                                          That's exactly what I'm saying, whoever is elected in the US can't just withdraw the troops, it doesn't make any sense and it'll make the US look real weak and bad. But for the other countries it doesn't really make much difference.

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                                          • Mr.Fiction
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Alex From San Diego


                                            you are an idiot...
                                            Did you read the post I replied to?

                                            It was a right winger like you who suggested that a politician might have had a hand in a massive terrorist attack on his own country for political gain.
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                                            • arial
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


                                              The United States made a move to the right after the WTC bombing, is that letting the terrorists win too? Or do the terrorists only "win" if a country doesn't do what Bush says?

                                              The Spanish people are against terrorism, but they have never supported the war in Iraq.
                                              Never did I say they had to do what Bush says. Bush acted after WTC tragedy letting the terrorist know he wasn't one to be fucked with. Spain could have said no to Iraq but they didn't so that's not anyones fault but their own. After they get bombed the suddenly decide to pull out of Iraq because the terrorist blame them for helping the US. IMHO that looks like the terrorist have beat them in their own backyard.

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                                              • Roger
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by GirlNinja
                                                good relations with anti-war European allies, France and Germany??

                                                why the fuck would anyone want to team up with those pussies???
                                                Pussies stand up to Bush and non-pussies suck up to him?

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                                                • slackologist
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                                                  #25
                                                  strange to see such blatant knee-jerk reactions like this, i wonder if this wasnt on the agenda for a while.

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                                                  • Nysus
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Alex From San Diego


                                                    you are an idiot...
                                                    Alex, he's just mocking/countering the comment that the President of Spain had something to do with the bombings. Both unlikely, but easy targets for conspiracies.

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                                                    • WarChild
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by GirlNinja
                                                      good relations with anti-war European allies, France and Germany??
                                                      As I recall pre World War II, France has one of the biggest and most respected armies in the world. Then Germany steam rolled them.

                                                      Now France has a pathetic army .. Damn straight they're with the Germans .. White flags still hang in much of Paris.
                                                      .

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                                                      • Juke
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by GirlNinja
                                                        good relations with anti-war European allies, France and Germany??

                                                        why the fuck would anyone want to team up with those pussies???
                                                        You are a moron
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                                                        • Alex From San Diego
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by MaskedMan


                                                          Why, for considering all possibilities and not just blindly following someone because of his job title?

                                                          Your reply doesn't even deserve a response....
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                                                          • Mr.Fiction
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by arial

                                                            After they get bombed the suddenly decide to pull out of Iraq because the terrorist blame them for helping the US. IMHO that looks like the terrorist have beat them in their own backyard.
                                                            The people of Spain have always been against having troops in Iraq. It was the right wing Spanish leader, Aznar, who chose to support Bush over his own people. He lost the election, so their policy will change.

                                                            Do you think that a government should represent the will of the people or the will of the leader of some other country?
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                                                            • Roger
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by arial
                                                              Never did I say they had to do what Bush says. Bush acted after WTC tragedy letting the terrorist know he wasn't one to be fucked with. Spain could have said no to Iraq but they didn't so that's not anyones fault but their own. After they get bombed the suddenly decide to pull out of Iraq because the terrorist blame them for helping the US. IMHO that looks like the terrorist have beat them in their own backyard.
                                                              No, Bush prefered to go after Saddam even though the terrorism problem wasn't fixed yet.

                                                              90% of people in Spain where against the war but the president sent troops nonetheless, that's the problem here. Everyone was saying no, except mr. dictator president who did as Bush said. The other parties where strongly opposed to the actions in Iraq to.

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                                                              • Nysus
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by arial


                                                                Never did I say they had to do what Bush says. Bush acted after WTC tragedy letting the terrorist know he wasn't one to be fucked with. Spain could have said no to Iraq but they didn't so that's not anyones fault but their own. After they get bombed the suddenly decide to pull out of Iraq because the terrorist blame them for helping the US. IMHO that looks like the terrorist have beat them in their own backyard.
                                                                No, it's what they consider to be in their best interests. By pulling their troops from Iraq they are solidifying their beliefs.

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                                                                • Ic3m4nZ
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  I guess they learned their lesson

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                                                                  • StuartD
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Hopefully we can all get to the bottom of this here on GFY, and maybe figure out who killed JFK as well while we're at it.
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                                                                    • Nysus
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Roger


                                                                      No, Bush prefered to go after Saddam even though the terrorism problem wasn't fixed yet.

                                                                      90% of people in Spain where against the war but the president sent troops nonetheless, that's the problem here. Everyone was saying no, except mr. dictator president who did as Bush said. The other parties where strongly opposed to the actions in Iraq to.
                                                                      Well put.

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                                                                      • Mr.Fiction
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by MaskedMan
                                                                        Hopefully we can all get to the bottom of this here on GFY, and maybe figure out who killed JFK as well while we're at it.
                                                                        If we are sure he's really dead?
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                                                                        • Anna_O
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Wether the people wanted troops in Iraq or not, the troops are there. By pulling them out, Spain sends a signal to terrorists that they actually can acheive something by killing innocent civilians. This is wrong.

                                                                          If al-Qaida was responsible for the attack, how will a signal like this reflect on ETA? They see that by killing lots of people they win, and will probably intensify their own campaign.


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                                                                          • Theo
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            I dont blame them.

                                                                            First priority of a govt is to ensure the safety of their own citizens. Common interests and support comes after. The previous spanish govt participated in the iraqish operations believing they won't have any consequences and for possible future financial gains.

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                                                                            • pimplink
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Let them do what they wanna do,
                                                                              let's see if they can make a difference.

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                                                                              • Roger
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by Anna_O
                                                                                Wether the people wanted troops in Iraq or not, the troops are there. By pulling them out, Spain sends a signal to terrorists that they actually can acheive something by killing innocent civilians. This is wrong.

                                                                                If al-Qaida was responsible for the attack, how will a signal like this reflect on ETA? They see that by killing lots of people they win, and will probably intensify their own campaign.
                                                                                It's not in the business of Spain to help some country take over another.

                                                                                They've already achieved plenty just by making that 9/11 thing. They made the US invade Afghanistan, and most importantly Iraq and made the US remove it's troops from Saudi Arabia and most importantly, they're on there way to isolating Muslims from the west.
                                                                                Last edited by Roger; 03-14-2004, 04:30 PM.

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                                                                                • Anna_O
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Roger


                                                                                  It's not in the business of Spain to help some country take over another.

                                                                                  They've already achieved plenty just by making that 9/11 thing. They made the US invade Afghanistan, and most importantly Iraq and made the US remove it's troops from Saudi Arabia.
                                                                                  The point wasn't if Spain should be in Iraq in the firtst place, it was that it can never be right to let terrorists win. By doing so their own terrorists (ETA) will see that massmurders can pay off.


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                                                                                  • directfiesta
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by GirlNinja
                                                                                    good relations with anti-war European allies, France and Germany??

                                                                                    why the fuck would anyone want to team up with those pussies???
                                                                                    Because THEY were right and the USA wrong...

                                                                                    Remember: WMD ????
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                                                                                    • BradM
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Thank god.
                                                                                      Hopefully more countries will join in and the US can deal with the shit they started in Iraq alone. It's their war.

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                                                                                      • crescentx
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                                                                                        #44


                                                                                        Maybe this does send a signal to A-Q that they can change the face of politics. Though that conclusion is highly suspect given the anti-war sentiment already present in Spain, and the badly-attempted cover job trying to blame ETA.

                                                                                        I'd say it's more of a harbinger. Most Europeans - having a real historical basis for understanding what war on their soil means - never supported the Iraq war. Those leaders that chose to follow the US lead did so against heavy popular opposition, and the war isn't going according to plan. Not to mention the gravy is all going to no-bid contracts for US companies.

                                                                                        The long-term outcome of this could be to solidify and re-invigorate the European Union in ways never before possible. As elections come and go, the parties that supported the war - and are pro-US - will find themselves running out of friends. Perhaps even the hard-liners who envision the EU as a counterbalance to the US on the world stage get real power.

                                                                                        On this track, popular opinion in the EU can be tilted. From the Europeans I've known - and there are many - I don't think the natural reaction is a knee-jerk "let's kick their ass" response you'd see here in the States (reference quotes above). Given the popular lack of support over many of the US-led initiatives Europe has been involved in, I'd say it pushes things more into a US-EU competition.

                                                                                        That, with the economic indicators, weakness of the dollar, tends to me that W's legacy may be the weakening of the US as a true world power...sure we have a big army that can blow people up, but any essence of diplomacy or statesmanship that previous admins have had is long gone here, and in civilized circles, that's what counts. Let's hope he doesn't invade Spain next.

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                                                                                        • sacX
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          they need to rename the Popular party now..
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                                                                                          • Roger
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by Anna_O
                                                                                            The point wasn't if Spain should be in Iraq in the firtst place, it was that it can never be right to let terrorists win. By doing so their own terrorists (ETA) will see that massmurders can pay off.
                                                                                            So I guess they should've just decided to cancel there promise and keep the troops in Iraq because they got attacked by terrorists?

                                                                                            Next target on Al-Qaeda's list is probably France.

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                                                                                            • Alex From San Diego
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by BradM
                                                                                              Thank god.
                                                                                              Hopefully more countries will join in and the US can deal with the shit they started in Iraq alone. It's their war.
                                                                                              Spoken like a true Canadian.....

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                                                                                              • cool1
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by MaskedMan
                                                                                                Hopefully we can all get to the bottom of this here on GFY, and maybe figure out who killed JFK as well while we're at it.
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                                                                                                • BradM
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  crescentx..

                                                                                                  Thank you for that. I agree 100%. DOUG FOR PRESIDENT.

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                                                                                                  • Theo
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Anna_O, terrorists don't have reasoning, they don't perceive or proceed to dialog. Spanish citizens will keep facing ETA for centuries. From the moment you open/create the gate that terrorists come out, you are lost. It's in their best interest to minimize the possibility dealing with al queda as well from now on.

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