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Text TGP vs Thumb TGP

03-12-2004, 05:40 AM

The current trend seems to be towards thumb TGPs as opposed to text TGPs. I understand that they are more productive, although i am not sure of the reasons. The extra bandwidth is obviously a downsite, but with bandwidth prices at what they are, thats hardly a problem any more.

Obviously text TGPs are far from dead, theun and worldsex for example, so what are the reasons thumb TGPs are taking off? Is it because a greater % of surfers have broadband connections these days? surfing a thumb TGP on dialup must be a pain in the arse.

Please tell me your opinions on the two types and also your experiences regarding building traffic, and the overall productivity.

One negative i could see associated with thumb TGPs is that the surfer can find what they are looking for easier, whereas in a text TGP the surfer could become frustrated looking for what they want and concede to signing up to a paysite to save the trouble.

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03-12-2004, 05:41 AM

TGPs make no money, get out while you can.
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03-12-2004, 05:42 AM

Originally posted by Za Ha
TGPs make no money, get out while you can.

didnt expect to hear that from you?!

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03-12-2004, 05:43 AM

Text TGP:s are better for the submitter as long as it is a clean TGP with no blinds...

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03-12-2004, 05:44 AM

Thumb TGPs seem to take over.

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03-12-2004, 05:44 AM

Originally posted by Za Ha
TGPs make no money, get out while you can.

isnt the hun and worldsex tgps? text tgpg mate

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03-12-2004, 05:45 AM

actually i dont think there is big money in tgps if you have less then 300k daily so Za Ha is right in my opinion. didnt see sarcasm in that post - i might be wrong tho

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03-12-2004, 05:50 AM

i'd say thumb tgp's are more popular these days as it is nicer to see a picture of what you going to get in the gallery and aviod the ones you dont like the look of instead of wasting your time on a text tgp. too many text tgp say 'cute honey' and really its a complete minger.

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03-12-2004, 05:50 AM

Originally posted by Anna_O
Text TGP:s are better for the submitter as long as it is a clean TGP with no blinds...

why? i think they would get more clicks, but a lower ratio, as many will open the gallery and close it as soon as they see its not what they're after
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03-12-2004, 05:53 AM

Originally posted by OzMan84

isnt the hun and worldsex tgps? text tgpg mate

You know, it's not like these are the only two TGPs on Earth. You should file them under "freaks" because they are not the norm of the TGP biz.

Thumb TGPs are becoming much more commplace now because there are a number of very good admin scripts for sale that make running one SO much easier than it used to be.

Another reason is because they make using hosted galleries very easy - all you do is pop the URL into the admin, do a gallery scan, select a pic and make a thumb. Having abot 50% or more links on the page going to your sponsor code is also a nice incentive to build traffic.
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03-12-2004, 05:54 AM

right, TGPs dont make money.
thats why there are thousands of them out there.

and about 300k TGPs: Choker has hundreds of 3k-4k TGPs that make him $$$$$
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03-12-2004, 05:55 AM

rubbish .... the hun and worldsex tgps make no money. They donate money to keep free porn alive .... seriously ! ;)

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03-12-2004, 05:59 AM

Originally posted by DarkJedi
right, TGPs dont make money.
thats why there are thousands of them out there.

and about 300k TGPs: Choker has hundreds of 3k-4k TGPs that make him $$$$$

you are really aggressive today, girl.
i said i dont think it makes you money until you have 300k daily. that means one 300k tgp or 10 30k tgps or 100 3k tgps.

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03-12-2004, 06:01 AM

It depends on your traffic people without broadband are going to hate thumb tgps but then again because it downloads slower it's gives them more time on the page waiting for the next exciting picture to download and hopefully more time to notice your banners.

Next will be movie tgps now that would be interesting.

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03-12-2004, 06:01 AM

Originally posted by Steve

You know, it's not like these are the only two TGPs on Earth. You should file them under "freaks" because they are not the norm of the TGP biz.

Thumb TGPs are becoming much more commplace now because there are a number of very good admin scripts for sale that make running one SO much easier than it used to be.

Another reason is because they make using hosted galleries very easy - all you do is pop the URL into the admin, do a gallery scan, select a pic and make a thumb. Having abot 50% or more links on the page going to your sponsor code is also a nice incentive to build traffic.

there are great admin scripts for text too, and you can use your hosted galleries, so i dont see your reasoning to favour one over the other, if you can clafify furthur it would be appreciated
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03-12-2004, 06:03 AM

Originally posted by asher

why? i think they would get more clicks, but a lower ratio, as many will open the gallery and close it as soon as they see its not what they're after

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03-12-2004, 06:06 AM

I think the reason why most new TGP's are thumb based is that it's easier to generate traffic..

Especially newbies think wow I run a 100K TGP, but they don't look at the ROI...

Not saying that thumb sites don't make money, because when you d it the right way you can have a nice income for sure..

Also with the new thumb scripts that are on the market nowadays, it's easy to create a TGP with only your hosted galleries. And txt based is harder because every gallery needs an description etc..

So I think when you mix above posts with this on you will understand why most new sites are thumb based

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03-12-2004, 06:08 AM

Originally posted by garymayor
It depends on your traffic people without broadband are going to hate thumb tgps but then again because it downloads slower it's gives them more time on the page waiting for the next exciting picture to download and hopefully more time to notice your banners.

there is a sctip called aptgp. it allows you to build both a text and thumb under the one domain, and then your surfer can chose at your enter page or what ever;)

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03-12-2004, 06:11 AM

Originally posted by OzMan84

there is a sctip called aptgp. it allows you to build both a text and thumb under the one domain, and then your surfer can chose at your enter page or what ever;)

enter pages on tgps, now thats another story.
some people think they are good for legal reasons, but others argue that many surfers, especially if tey have come to you as a trade, will just close the window.
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03-12-2004, 06:15 AM

Originally posted by asher

enter pages on tgps, now thats another story.
some people think they are good for legal reasons, but others argue that many surfers, especially if tey have come to you as a trade, will just close the window.

yes but what you could do it something like give them a lil sample of crap of the enter page, but instead of saying yes im over 18 blablabla crapcrap crap etc
its a link to text tgp for 56k or wat ever and then a thumb to broadband or high quaity

i didnt mean a standard boring enter page sorry if i typed it that way

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03-12-2004, 06:27 AM

Originally posted by OzMan84

yes but what you could do it something like give them a lil sample of crap of the enter page, but instead of saying yes im over 18 blablabla crapcrap crap etc
its a link to text tgp for 56k or wat ever and then a thumb to broadband or high quaity

i didnt mean a standard boring enter page sorry if i typed it that way

interesting, have you tried an enter page on either of your sites?

or anyone for that matter, do you have a click through % fom your enter page to your main page? would be an interesting stat
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03-12-2004, 06:40 AM

Originally posted by asher

interesting, have you tried an enter page on either of your sites?

or anyone for that matter, do you have a click through % fom your enter page to your main page? would be an interesting stat

no i havent tried it as i cant seem to think of a good design/layout for one just yet. otherwise mayb put a link on your text tgp page to the thumb version and vise versa

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03-12-2004, 06:40 AM

i know that for tgps is good to make enter page, but with many links to paysites.
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03-12-2004, 06:55 AM

Originally posted by asher

there are great admin scripts for text too, and you can use your hosted galleries, so i dont see your reasoning to favour one over the other, if you can clafify furthur it would be appreciated

Ok, on a typical single page text TGP, you might have 100-300 gallery links. If you have a multipage text TGP the number jumps. Even if you stuff a lot of hosted gallery links in your update, it will be hard to have 50% of the gallery links on the page carry your links. On top of that, you need descriptions, maybe # of pics/movies, sort it into category, etc

Now, on a thumb site, you might have a table of 25-35 galleries, and 40% or more of them might be sponsor hosted galleries. Make up 3+ tables like this for the site, and you have a large % of the gallery links on that site making you money.

Also, since there are less links on the page, the galleries can get more traffic sent to them. Generally, the more hits you throw at something, the faster it is you get your joins.
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03-12-2004, 07:02 AM

thanks Steve.

another thing i was thinking about is blind trades, i think they go down better with the surfer on a thumb tgp than a text one. I am not sure as to the reasoning for this, maybe its because they get a window where they can see more porn, whereas if you get a text tgp opening up its just more text. this is not based on anything scientific, but just when i have been surfing around and thats the feeling i got, i didnt mind getting sent to another thumb tgp, especially if there were thumbs that i could see straight away that i liked. keep the comments coming in guys, im still interested in what you all have to say.
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03-12-2004, 07:38 AM

you have some good points here ... bump for more replies

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03-12-2004, 07:01 PM

Originally posted by Niki
you have some good points here ... bump for more replies

bump again, i know there are more of you out there!
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03-12-2004, 07:26 PM

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text works great for people that have English on their browser, a thumb can be seen no matter what language is set. If you poke around you'll notice the majority of the mid sized thumb tgps are set to 50% out, if you do that with a text tgp you'd be considered a cj. Looking at the bigger thumb tgps they set their out % to 80 or some where around there. Again, same holds true for the big thumb sites as does for the text, the older the better (generally). Personally I think a thumb based main page is your best option and if you have archives and your site is relatively general, having those archives set up by niche instead of date and include a text description along side the thumb with as much info as possible is your best solution (SE's still like text more than images). K, that's it from this side of the fence. Good topic
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03-12-2004, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by asher

enter pages on tgps, now thats another story.
some people think they are good for legal reasons, but others argue that many surfers, especially if tey have come to you as a trade, will just close the window.

1st off to OzMan84 every TGP script I've used allows you to do both text and thumb on the same site..

I have both text and thumb on the same sites.. it's fairly easy to do, you just trade traffic on the text site with other text sites.. and vise versa for the thumbs.. but the thumbs do have the advantage as you can send traffic from the text site to thumbs and get great prod on your trades. You don't send youre trade traffic tto he enter page.. you just use it as the gateway for bookmarkers and SE traffic.

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03-12-2004, 07:36 PM

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text works great for people that have English on their browser, a thumb can be seen no matter what language is set. If you poke around you'll notice the majority of the mid sized thumb tgps are set to 50% out, if you do that with a text tgp you'd be considered a cj. Looking at the bigger thumb tgps they set their out % to 80 or some where around there. Again, same holds true for the big thumb sites as does for the text, the older the better (generally). Personally I think a thumb based main page is your best option and if you have archives and your site is relatively general, having those archives set up by niche instead of date and include a text description along side the thumb with as much info as possible is your best solution (SE's still like text more than images). K, that's it from this side of the fence. Good topic

This is a good post Spud, imho text is better for SE, but what if you make your alt tags your desc, i think that evens that out. However, when im surfing checking out the competiton text links don't motivate me to click. Now if i see a hottie on a thumb I usually click and check her out. So for that reason I think it motivates the surfer more.

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03-12-2004, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by piker

This is a good post Spud, imho text is better for SE, but what if you make your alt tags your desc, i think that evens that out. However, when im surfing checking out the competiton text links don't motivate me to click. Now if i see a hottie on a thumb I usually click and check her out. So for that reason I think it motivates the surfer more.

if you use all you own galleries and want to take the time to put in alt text then you have a point. But building a thumb tgp takes a few minutes once you have a template. As for the click factor, absolutely a thumb is by far more appealing than "hot blonde getting reamed in her corn hole" though I bet if you had that as a featured text link at the top it would get quite a few hits even on a thumb tgp But as everyone knows tgps are a waist of time and you should all go and start your own paysite and shoot some original content and pay your webmasters and don't shave...
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03-12-2004, 08:02 PM

We have a TGP that is in between..............It's a test TGP with a picture rollover~~ Surfers love it and it's sticky as hell!!\\We are going to do a full launch within the next couple of weeks/

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03-12-2004, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by bigunns
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03-12-2004, 08:39 PM

Originally posted by Spud

if you use all you own galleries and want to take the time to put in alt text then you have a point. But building a thumb tgp takes a few minutes once you have a template. As for the click factor, absolutely a thumb is by far more appealing than "hot blonde getting reamed in her corn hole" though I bet if you had that as a featured text link at the top it would get quite a few hits even on a thumb tgp But as everyone knows tgps are a waist of time and you should all go and start your own paysite and shoot some original content and pay your webmasters and don't shave...

hehehe, was that 5 different rants a see in there?

i dont think tgps are a waste of time, they are still the #1 way to build traffic, and if you run a paysite you can push your traffic towards it. I agree that someone starting a TGP will have almost no chance of getting as big as the hun or the other big players, but that doesnt matter, the fact is that if there was no money in TGP nobody would be doing it. Its just like everyone says that there is no point getting into the industry now, i think thats a load of crap too
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03-12-2004, 09:01 PM

The best script I've used so far for Thumb TGP is YarrYd's TMS (thumbnail management system). It's PHP/MySQL based, counting each thumbs productivity and displaying each thumb based on overall productivity vs. number of times casted (shown).

Only possible downfall I can think of to his script is if your TGP grew to a few hundred K per day. Then PHP/MySQL based backends won't cut it. But I'm sure you could easily push like 50-75k through his script just fine -- and it also integrates with trade scripts pretty flawlessly.

Not sure if he's officially selling copies yet... I've been beta-testing it for him for months now, and it's worked flawless for me. Hit me up on ICQ if interested (number is in sig).

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03-12-2004, 09:16 PM

Originally posted by asher

hehehe, was that 5 different rants a see in there?

i dont think tgps are a waste of time, they are still the #1 way to build traffic, and if you run a paysite you can push your traffic towards it. I agree that someone starting a TGP will have almost no chance of getting as big as the hun or the other big players, but that doesnt matter, the fact is that if there was no money in TGP nobody would be doing it. Its just like everyone says that there is no point getting into the industry now, i think thats a load of crap too

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03-12-2004, 10:21 PM

I think thumb tgp is beggining to take it's peak.
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