Big Per-Signup Sponsors - who is lowering payouts?

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Yup very disappointing news to hear.. They do have good member area's. I hope Top bucks isn't just milking this thing to line their own pockets.

Hate to say this, but I agree. Seems like everyone is dropping their pay now, but for some reason I have a hunch they'll be raising again within the next several months.

I also think this is a great opportunity for some of the smaller niche programs to shine with better payouts. Boob Dollars, for example.

I think a lot of sponsors will be milking this to line their own pockets. Funny how so many were bragging about being below 1% just a short while ago and now they're saying they have to lower payouts.

Got quiet in here all of a sudden..

Magna - realize that the payout drop has to do with a lot factors. A big factor being $39.99 is just too much for a monthly rate for a porn site... I think most can agree that is high. That does happen to be a contributor to chargebacks and obviously lowering that (which in regards to chargeback or not should be done) will cost those sponsors who do 25% in their rebills. A 25% decrease in rebills means that money has to come from somewhere. In turn (with a few other factors) payouts must be lowered.

Those not lowering their payouts were alread not at the ultra high $42 or will continue to charge insane monthly rates. The fact is, ultimate self correction would be making surfers actually pay more than $0 - $5 to whack it and killing trials all together. However, that corrective action will not be taken because its all about returning that HUGE price per sign up to webmasters and in turn causing programs to do everything possible to turn a profit at such nose bleed comissions.

The statistic I'm excited for is what percentage sales INCREASE because of significantly LOWER monthly cost I'm betting 5-10%

Isn't the whole point with lowering monthly rebills that people shall stay longer and more trials convert, thus generating more revenue than before? Playing it fair should also make people feel more secure overall and more willing to signup.

I have spoken with the owners of Trade News Corp/CECash and they have asked me to post the following statement.

CECASH will continue their Free Trial Sign Ups. Free Trial Sign Ups have never been a problem when they?re handled with the proper disclosure. CECASH has always used the proper disclosure and their chargeback rates are right in line with the current new processing parameters.

Here is a little explanation of why Free Trials ?help? keep chargebacks down when properly disclosed.

If you have 100 Free Trial sign ups, 60% cancel, you only put 40% of monthly members thru the banking system, or 40 transactions.

If you have 100 Paid Trial sign ups, 60% cancel, you process at total of 140% of transactions for trials and monthly members thru the banking system, or 140 transactions.

That?s 78% more transactions for paid trials than free trials put thru the banking system in a given month. This highly increases your exposure for chargebacks from the bank.

Another reason that CECash does not have a chargeback problem is because their are real cancel links in all members sections which make it very easy to cancel a membership, this has always been like this.

CECASH will not reduce their payouts.

Pay It Forward (PIF) continues to pay $20 for every free trial sign up with no deductions. It further pays $5 per recurring member, this pays you like an annuity. PIF also pays 40% of all dialer revenue.

Follow Me Free (FMF) continues to pay $55 for every active member sign up. FMF also pays 40% of all dialer revenue.

Follow Me Free Partners (FMFP) continues to pay 60% or $25.47 for every sign up and $25.47 for every recurring monthly member. This is a very lofty payout. If a member stays for 3 months you make $76.41!!!!

CEMag and XXXAllAccessPass continue to pay the highest payout available for any email program!!

CEMag pays $1.50 per confirmed email, $15 per upsell, $5 per outside upsell, and 50% of all dialer revenue!!

XXXAllAccessPass pays $1.30 per confirmed email, no deductions, $15 per upsell and 50% of all dialer revenue!!

During this time of transition in the industry, it?s nice to know CECash can maintain the same payouts as always!!

peace out!

It seems like a lot of people are short sighted. I think lowering membership fees to sites will be good in the long run.

Some surfers have become accustomed to the over-inflated rates like $40.+ and may pay that for a short time but I doubt anybody thinks it's a fair price. It's only that high because of the competition of affiliate payouts. You just have to play the numbers game. If more sites will be at $~30. there will be more signups, longer retention, and fewer chargebacks. Those sites that keep the inflated prices will eventually suffer from competition.

If you want to keep recurring in the future, this has to be done. And recurring is more important than "high payouts".

So if you agree that $39.99/mth is too much then why have you been charging that amount for years? You are saying that you knew you were assfucking the surfer and the industry but ahh who cares right - and also $39.99 is NOT too much for a monthly membership IMO if you have a quality members area - which ARS sites DO NOT HAVE.

What is your point here?
That they are able to still turn a profit at those levels and ARS isn't? That is no surprise.

You said on the ARS board that payouts will drop from $32 to $26 for a particular example payout - that is a 18.75% drop. Nice try though

Again hats off to those programs who have been dedicated to not misleading the surfer, having quality member's areas and are still able to turn the same profit and not lower their payouts.

I agree that in a few months when these large programs see their drop in affiliates and revenue they will find a way to increase payouts to remain competitive. I know a lot of you thought that coming out right away and saying 'we are lowering payouts' would be a good idea and a good way to warm us up - but you have now put yourself in a tough spot IMO.

Yea right. Its all our fault. Sponsors were only doing those awful things because selfish webmasters demanded too much money for their traffic.

Tell ya what I think. Those sponsors would have used every trick in the book to maxamize profits no matter how much they were paying webmasters. It was all about making as much money as they could get away with. You were the ones that fucked things up, not us.

The soloution is simple. If greedy webmasters demand too much for traffic... Go buy it somewhere else.

BTW... Its always puzzled me, If our traffic is so expensive, why are all you guys SO desperate to get it?

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The reality is that most affiliates don't give a shit what your problems are etc - they are going to send their traffic to the sponsor that makes them the most.

If someone has been sending traffic to a program for a while - then they believe that they are sending their traffic to the best possible place for maximum $.

So if they continue to send their traffic to that same sponsor that has now lowered payouts will the make less? YES.

And of course all the programs who lower payouts are going to be bashed to hell on the boards for the next few months while people pump up and hype those that didn't lower payouts.

I would be very careful what statements you make regarding payouts and take a look at what can be done internally to prevent lowering payouts etc.

I'm sure most of you assumed that EVERY big sponsor would follow suit but apparently that isn't the case. Hopefully the damage is not permanent yet... there is still an opportunity to come out and say - we have taken a closer look and here is what we can do.

As it stand nows IntenseCash will not be lowering payouts. We will continue to try to payout what we have been even if we have to lose profit from not making as much money. We have always provided members with working cancel pages, 24 hour telephone support, email support and giving the surfer what is promised. We have never had chargeback problems and do not see a problem in maintaining under 1%. If you have any questions please contact us as anytime.

Thanks,
Mark Erickson
icq - 191604661
303-887-9530

Intense cash, you offer no trials from what I can see. Anyone can pay $40 when you charge the surfer $40 off the bat.

juicybucks, for some reason I think juicybucks.com ripped me off..

Gonna contact u on icq..

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Look more closely. Particularly at this site with the free 3 day trial. www.hsboys.com

Hi Brad we do trials but only for some sites. We charge 34.76 for our straight sites and 39.76 for our gay sites. Our gay sites all have trials. We are on a new affiliate program so we are still testing things before doing trials on all the sites.

Thanks,
Mark

Yeah it sounds to me like someone is not giving quality and someone else has to pay for it... that is us the webmasters...

There seems to be another thread going on this same topic - this info is from Carrie:

Btw, my list so far:

Lowering payouts or "making changes soon":
Silvercash
ARS
Megapornbucks
Capital Bucks
Pornkings
Traffic Cash Gold
Topbucks
Adult Platinum/aka Lensman (not sure which program he means, APlat or AmPages or Playboy so just say Lens' programs)

Not lowering payouts:
CE Cash
Orgasm Cash
Python/Dollar Machine
Pimproll
Legendary Lars
Gigacash

Still deciding/running numbers:
SIC Cash

Can I aks a simple Q?

What sites out there are worth $40.00 a month?

We will be lowering payouts, simply a matter of to what point. Our current payout avg is about $33, so our necks are not quite out so far.

jojojo - and btw most of the peeps on the list of programs NOT decreasing their payouts already had lower payouts. Therefore, the top list is just moving to where those others were at (thus no need for them to lower payouts).

Also realize that ARS is not lowering payouts on other products and keeping free sign ups on products like Home Sex Network (killer FREE live cam site) and VigRX...

Also the companies that didn't need to be lowering their payouts because they were already lower than the higher paying programs, will they be reducing their monthly fee from $40? Probably not...

Very very interesting who is lowering them already. I am personally rather surprised at some of the names.
ZoiNk

For all you people whining about lower payouts, NONE of the 60/40 revshare programs out there have lowered their payouts.

If you want to get paid what your traffic is REALLY WORTH, send it all to them.......and quit your whining

Post some #'s to show me how you can make more than $30 a trial with a partnership program. I can not get this answered anywhere.

So you are not lowering your payouts on sites that you didn't produce the members areas for. Only for the ones with your own shit members areas - that makes sense

You are right they won't NEED to lower their monthly fees like you do because they are under 1% and deliver a HQ product.

guess what jojojo - I don't need to lower mine either because I'm under 1% This is about a lot of things.

Also, we don't own and operate paysites and I can tell you that Global's members areas are amoung (if not THE) best members areas of all the sponsors listed.

So why are you lowering them then?

Lowering the monthly fees is the primary reason for ARS lowering payout as you have said. If you are lowering my payout - I deserve a reason.

You are quick to say you don't own or operate the paysites - I would too considering the product is LQ.

If Global's members areas are the best of that group then they are all in trouble LOL

Wow sounds to me like the guys/girls running the small to midsize programs should be getting wet between the thighs right about now if they have solid programs with good sites and good numbers. Could be a major shift in the tides of traffic.

Oh and let me add in the obvious FUCK VISA!

Porn4abuck was built for the new visa regs to keep our chargebacks down so it will remain the same. and since this program is our bread and butter at Pornkings. We hope you try it out since it converts amazing even with the $25 payout you will still make the most possible.

It converted better then our free trial program.

because All sites are a $1 trial for a month.
super easy to convert.

who gives a shit what the payout is its how much you make with a sponsor off your traffic.
it could be 15 cents an install to a $40 payout. its what makes you the most off your traffic

don't be fooled meet your sponsors in florida. see who you can trust and who's shady . Just my 2 cents

a sponsor can payout $60 but then work the numbers in there favor.

thats why you need to trust the sponsor you send traffic too and see who makes you the most.

sponsors are in this business to make money and the only way that is possible is if the webmasters are happy. It takes two webmasters and sponsors

We at Flynt Digital are not lowering payouts...instead, we are INCREASING payouts! :D

Details here:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=151984

I don't see pay per signup going to far myself.

I'm no expert but did'nt the billing companies encourage partnership programs. That should be reason enough that payouts should be expected to lower within a year or months.

The real only reason for pps before and now is competition.

So whoever has the highest payouts is winning. But it can all crash very easy if VISA slams the industry again. My advice to newbies is to go partnership on any program. I'm betting you small traffic pushers are the ones that have accounts terminated or payouts lowered. Some sponsors say they lower payouts but keep it the same with big traffic pushers.

Mark this thread because when they lower payouts again or drop their payout programs. You'll be broke as a joke while the sponsor sits on the pile of money. Recurring cash at that. I've learned my lesson and hope to encourage anyone else on a pps programs.

PPS doesn't really make much sense when you really think about it.

There was a "wolf" guy a while back. "howling wolf", "porn Wolf", "Wolfie" I forget his name but it had wolf in it, anyway he had this really informative article on why pps was lame and how revshare was the only way to go. It made a lot of sense, and I've been revshare ever since.

GammaCash: we are NOT lowering payouts!

Over the last years, we have taken a conservative approach, keeping our membership price at $29.95, payouts at $25-$30 and refusing to do the Free Trial. We are finally rewarded now that cash programs are moving back to the business model we have always followed.

It's the end of the world as we know it... And we feel fine!
We'll see down the road who are in it for the long run.

Karl
Gammacash.com
High Converting Reality Sites!