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07-09-2003, 09:36 PM

is just a little over rated?

I know I was expecting big things, but so far - zero.

TGP traffic has been converting 1:80 at the worst, and so far choker is converting at a nice round 0:10,864

oh well, maybe the next 89,000 will be better
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07-09-2003, 09:38 PM

Choker sent your paysite over 10k uniques? Since when does he sell paysite traffic?

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07-09-2003, 09:38 PM

what are u sending it to? is it the general traffic or niche?

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07-09-2003, 09:39 PM

1:80 with TGP traffic...

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07-09-2003, 09:40 PM

Choker's traffic used to totally ROCK for me, but lately it's been really bad. I don't know what happened, but I've made one sale in 41,000+ uniques to my gallery this time around and I usually get about 1 sale in 15,000 uniques to my galleries with his traffic. I've spent $200 on his traffic in the last few weeks and gotten $25 back so far. I used to make at least 150% of my money back with his traffic. Maybe it's just the summer, but I'm going to hold off buying anymore gallery spots from him for a little while.
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07-09-2003, 09:43 PM

Originally posted by tootie
Choker's traffic used to totally ROCK for me, but lately it's been really bad. I don't know what happened, but I've made one sale in 41,000+ uniques to my gallery this time around and I usually get about 1 sale in 15,000 uniques to my galleries with his traffic. I've spent $200 on his traffic in the last few weeks and gotten $25 back so far. I used to make at least 150% of my money back with his traffic. Maybe it's just the summer, but I'm going to hold off buying anymore gallery spots from him for a little while.

Must be why he is courting Kimmy. If she would convert he would be happy.
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07-09-2003, 09:44 PM

Originally posted by Armed & Hammered
1:80 with TGP traffic...

believe it or not, yes. Those are the numbers I have been getting, I have seen other affiliates that are converting 1:31 - 1:60
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07-09-2003, 09:46 PM

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believe it or not, yes. Those are the numbers I have been getting, I have seen other affiliates that are converting 1:31 - 1:60

let me guess, its the program in ur sig rite?

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07-09-2003, 09:47 PM

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believe it or not, yes. Those are the numbers I have been getting, I have seen other affiliates that are converting 1:31 - 1:60

That's dandy. But I'm still curious how you bought paysite traffic from Choker...

Or, are those 10k uniques you mentioned really just gallery impressions? If that's the case, this thread sucks ass.

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07-09-2003, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by baddog

TGP traffic has been converting 1:80 at the worst, and so far choker is converting at a nice round 0:10,864

10864 clicks to paysite? I'm sure some traffic will convert 1:80 if you make links like "Click here if you're ready to pay $39.99 for instant access"...

It seems you like to play with numbers

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07-09-2003, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by chowda
what are u sending it to? is it the general traffic or niche?

it is going to our AVS, part of his introductory offer

this gallery with his header and footer

guess I should have figured if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is
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07-09-2003, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by baddog

believe it or not, yes. Those are the numbers I have been getting, I have seen other affiliates that are converting 1:31 - 1:60

Umm I'll choose not.

Look your numbers a misleading....

You do NOT get 1:31 - 1:80 conversions off hits to your GALLERY pages.

Maybe to your paysite, but now after the way you've manipulated stats here to make Choker look bad - I think your full of shit anyway.

But lets just pretend for a second that you are getting 1 sign up per 80 clicks TO YOUR PAYSITE from gallery pages.

How many gallery hits did it take to get you those 80 hits to your paysite?

Because 10,864 GALLERY HIS is what you are comparing in your inital post.

Just a little misleading
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07-09-2003, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by baddog

it is going to our AVS, part of his introductory offer

this gallery with his header and footer

guess I should have figured if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is

You're full of shit. Don't bad mouth somebody else's program because YOU can't comprehend simple statistics.

You bought 100k GALLERY IMPRESSIONS from Choker. Not 100k PAYSITE IMPRESSIONS.

Out of those 10k gallery impressions you already have, how many clicked through to your site? Maybe 500, max? That would mean you're at 0:500 right now with Choker, not 0:10k.

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07-09-2003, 10:06 PM

Dude, stop bringing facts into this
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07-09-2003, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by baddog

this gallery with his header and footer

guess I should have figured if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is

No. The problem is that girl is ugly. Surfers click the Back-button as fast as they can with their free hand

Be happy if you make 1 SU out of it.

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07-09-2003, 10:09 PM

Glad to hear we got the full story in this thread now.
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07-09-2003, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Or, are those 10k uniques you mentioned really just gallery impressions? If that's the case, this thread sucks ass.

you know what? You are absolutely correct, and I guess it was the fact that I expected something to happen every 4.000 hits or so. So when I started this thread I was concentrating on the hits, not the clicks, but that is not fair to Choker. So . . .

Since July 1 he has sent 313 clicks, with no conversion. Just in last 9 days The only thing I have seen convert worst has been Chinese and pure blind exit traffic. I have dealt with that before, I just heard all these people talking up choker, and I was prepared to be impressed and continue buying if it was all I hoped it would be.
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07-09-2003, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Maybe 500, max? That would mean you're at 0:500 right now with Choker, not 0:10k.

you are absolutely correct, I erred on my ratio as explained above, but 0:500 still sucks.
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07-09-2003, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by baddog

you are absolutely correct, I erred on my ratio as explained above, but 0:500 still sucks.

313=500?

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07-09-2003, 10:59 PM

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313=500?

313 since 7/1

including June, a little over 500, but close enough for purposes of discussion
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07-09-2003, 11:00 PM

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07-09-2003, 11:07 PM

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well, not really. And not my intent at all. I guess I figured that 0:500 I could get anywhere. I thought choker's traffic was something special.

Now I know it's not. Again, am sorry for the error in my first post, when I tried to go back to edit it I couldn't.

But like I said, maybe the next 90k will be better.
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07-09-2003, 11:14 PM

i love this. a guy who runs a scam front end AVS bagging on Choker's program.

do u think Hustler would be happy to be implicated in that scam?
Why are you telling people on your join page that they're getting access to Hustler?

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07-09-2003, 11:17 PM

TGP traffic has been converting 1:80 at the worst

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07-09-2003, 11:23 PM

Choker is one of the biggest boys in adult traffic.

If you want traffic for thumbnail galleries, he's the place to go.

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07-09-2003, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by Mutt
i love this. a guy who runs a scam front end AVS bagging on Choker's program.

do u think Hustler would be happy to be implicated in that scam?
Why are you telling people on your join page that they're getting access to Hustler?

Stop making sense mutt.
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07-09-2003, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by Mutt
i love this. a guy who runs a scam front end AVS bagging on Choker's program.

do u think Hustler would be happy to be implicated in that scam?
Why are you telling people on your join page that they're getting access to Hustler?

scam?

and we tell them that, because they do.
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07-09-2003, 11:31 PM

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07-09-2003, 11:33 PM

Okay, hey, maybe I am wrong here. I will admit that I am new to buying traffic, and I have not dealt with surfer traffic in a while, maybe things have changed.

I had preconceived ideas on the CTR and coversion ratios for TGP traffic, based primarily on my own numbers, I freely admit this.

So, tell me. How many signups would you expect from 10,000 of Choker's hits to your gallery?

I may have been expecting too much. Please tell me what you would expect?
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07-09-2003, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by Turboface
Choker is one of the biggest boys in adult traffic.

If you want traffic for thumbnail galleries, he's the place to go.

i sell traffic for sex.com ... and still use choker on a few of my personal sites. once you get the system down it can be a valuable part of an overall traffic scheme.

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07-09-2003, 11:59 PM

You may have better luck if you at least used a pretty girl on that gallery.

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07-10-2003, 12:19 AM

Originally posted by baddog
Okay, hey, maybe I am wrong here. I will admit that I am new to buying traffic, and I have not dealt with surfer traffic in a while, maybe things have changed.

I had preconceived ideas on the CTR and coversion ratios for TGP traffic, based primarily on my own numbers, I freely admit this.

So, tell me. How many signups would you expect from 10,000 of Choker's hits to your gallery?

I may have been expecting too much. Please tell me what you would expect?

10K hits is way too less to test traffic.

Buy 1Million hits, ask Choker for pointers on how to make galleries
that work best for his traffic. He's knows this better than anyone
out there and Choker sure isn't keeping it a secret if you just ask
him.

Use multiple sponsors in multiple niches. Analyze the traffic that's
going to the galleries and look at the numbers. If you see poor
performance adjust the gallery...for example wording of the text
links/banners.

After the 1 Million hits are gone extract the results. If you made
more money than you've spent......keep buying. You'll learn all the
time and start to develop a feel for his traffic. Keep repeating as
long as you get more out of it than you need to invest.

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07-10-2003, 12:41 AM

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10K hits is way too less to test traffic.

bought 100k, so not done yet, but you are saying it is going to take a million to decide it the traffic is any good or not?

As far as multiple sponsors, that isn't going to happen, since the traffic is ultimately destined for our likn list. We are tracking from front page, as well as full size pic html page to see where the traffic does come from

I have to say, when Choker first came out with this program, and his rules I liked it, because that is how we used to to TGP back in the day. I guess we shall see what the other 90k brings, I really don't think I need 1 million galllery hits to determine if the traffic sucks or not.

I do that myself withj TGP, and I know it converts, I am guessing this Choker traffic must be somewhere between TGP and CJ quality.

I was going to try Spotbroker's next, Not sure anymore.
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07-10-2003, 01:01 AM

Originally posted by baddog

bought 100k, so not done yet, but you are saying it is going to take a million to decide it the traffic is any good or not?

As far as multiple sponsors, that isn't going to happen, since the traffic is ultimately destined for our likn list. We are tracking from front page, as well as full size pic html page to see where the traffic does come from

I have to say, when Choker first came out with this program, and his rules I liked it, because that is how we used to to TGP back in the day. I guess we shall see what the other 90k brings, I really don't think I need 1 million galllery hits to determine if the traffic sucks or not.

I do that myself withj TGP, and I know it converts, I am guessing this Choker traffic must be somewhere between TGP and CJ quality.

I was going to try Spotbroker's next, Not sure anymore.

My post was an example not the single answer on how to test
traffic. 100K is a little better than 10K. It basically depends on how much traffic you get per day to a gallery to determine how
much you need to get a decent view on quality of traffic.

There are many factors that can have influence on traffic. Day of
the month/week (right before wages is worse than the week after most people get their wages), weather, holidays, wars,
etc, etc. if you get that 100K within 1 week I would say it's not
enough to get a good clear view on the quality of traffic.

The whole moral of my initial post is that you can't just make a
gallery, put it up, buy some traffic and start counting money and
that's what you seem to have expected and where you based
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07-10-2003, 01:28 AM

I see you mentioned earlier that you have been converting at 1 in 80 - has that gallery converted at those ratios before?

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07-10-2003, 01:29 AM

Originally posted by DynaSpain

The whole moral of my initial post is that you can't just make a
gallery, put it up, buy some traffic and start counting money and
that's what you seem to have expected and where you based
your accusations upon.

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07-10-2003, 01:58 AM

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I see you mentioned earlier that you have been converting at 1 in 80 - has that gallery converted at those ratios before?

that is the ratio for all galleries combined. on average. Our worst pay period was 1:80.

I set up that gallery specifically for Choker, and possibly TGP2 later.

Dyna Spain, we can't regulate how fast he sends the traffic. That is another thing, I really thought we would have been thru a lot more than 10k hits by now.
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07-10-2003, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by DynaSpain
The whole moral of my initial post is that you can't just make a
gallery, put it up, buy some traffic and start counting money and
that's what you seem to have expected and where you based
your accusations upon.

DynaMite

okay, tell you what. After this test is done I will mirror the site, and submit it direct to TGP's using my GASS db, and will see if I do better or not. My prior stats would indicate that I should have some signups by now.

If I was converting 1:200 I would think I had a problem. 0:500 I would think all my links were broken.
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07-10-2003, 02:10 AM

Well my is that you are trying to do too much on that gallery and on the image pages.

With the limited advertising you get on a gallery - even Choker's - you should be pushing them to get over to SPP to get all that porn. Keep pressing them with all those sexy babes and hardcore sluts that they will find over there but don't give them a sign-up page on the gallery.

Keep that for SPP where they can see all the exciting stuff they get iif they sign the form.

At the moment the gallery tends to look way to business like - getting a TGP surfer to fill in a form? That should be enough of a fright for him to put him right off his wanking rhythm.

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07-10-2003, 02:17 AM

Originally posted by The Other Steve
Well my is that you are trying to do too much on that gallery and on the image pages.

With the limited advertising you get on a gallery - even Choker's - you should be pushing them to get over to SPP to get all that porn. Keep pressing them with all those sexy babes and hardcore sluts that they will find over there but don't give them a sign-up page on the gallery.

Keep that for SPP where they can see all the exciting stuff they get iif they sign the form.

At the moment the gallery tends to look way to business like - getting a TGP surfer to fill in a form? That should be enough of a fright for him to put him right off his wanking rhythm.

i appreciate the input, but that is pretty close to the sales pitch I usually use when sending traffic to the link list
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07-10-2003, 04:19 AM

Give us updated numbers Baddog. Maybe the 0:10,864 has changed to 1:20,456...?

...which would be really good because that chick ain't the prettiest one

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07-10-2003, 04:26 AM

Originally posted by baddog
Okay, hey, maybe I am wrong here. I will admit that I am new to buying traffic, and I have not dealt with surfer traffic in a while, maybe things have changed.

I had preconceived ideas on the CTR and coversion ratios for TGP traffic, based primarily on my own numbers, I freely admit this.

So, tell me. How many signups would you expect from 10,000 of Choker's hits to your gallery?

I may have been expecting too much. Please tell me what you would expect?

0:10,000 galolery hits is fine and perfectly normal. In my experience, 1:10.000 is baout the best you can get with tgp traffic. Choker makes you link the pictures to your sponser. Alot of people click the picture by accident and this over-inflates your click-through numbers. This maybe why your at 0:500 instead of 0:200.
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07-10-2003, 04:46 AM

If I could do 1:10,000 I'd have 2.5x the income I get now.

I think it's honestly unrealistic to expect a signup every 10,000 gallery hits, no matter the quality of the gallery. TGP traffic is too finnicky.

1:20,000 to me would be a realistic (but amazing) number for a photo gallery. I am getting 1:27,500 this month. I am really happy with that. I'm sure others do better.

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07-10-2003, 05:06 AM

Originally posted by Dusen
If I could do 1:10,000 I'd have 2.5x the income I get now.

I think it's honestly unrealistic to expect a signup every 10,000 gallery hits, no matter the quality of the gallery. TGP traffic is too finnicky.

1:20,000 to me would be a realistic (but amazing) number for a photo gallery. I am getting 1:27,500 this month. I am really happy with that. I'm sure others do better.

1 signup per 10k gallery hits is not that hard to do if you play your cards right
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07-10-2003, 05:09 AM

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07-10-2003, 05:10 AM

Originally posted by Cncr
Give us updated numbers Baddog. Maybe the 0:10,864 has changed to 1:20,456...?

...which would be really good because that chick ain't the prettiest one

trust me, not everyone is looking for "pretty"
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07-10-2003, 05:11 AM

Originally posted by Dusen
If I could do 1:10,000 I'd have 2.5x the income I get now.

I think it's honestly unrealistic to expect a signup every 10,000 gallery hits, no matter the quality of the gallery. TGP traffic is too finnicky.

1:20,000 to me would be a realistic (but amazing) number for a photo gallery. I am getting 1:27,500 this month. I am really happy with that. I'm sure others do better.

I would give up TGP if I could not convert better than that.
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07-10-2003, 08:04 AM

Couple things, when I click on the big pics of the gallery I go here
http://www.sexpicturespass.com/idsignup.cgi?referal=135

Honestly I see nothing on this page that makes me want to pull out my credit card, you are telling them in TEXT ONLY what is on your site. Surfers are horny, they don't want to read a lot of text, they need to be SHOWN what is on your site and why they should pull out their CC, they are not going to read it.

As far as the traffic to that gallery, that is not a popular category at all, I think it is in Brunette babes or something like that. Is this a i-f-r-a-m-e-d order???

Having the first part of the join process on the gallery itself is very smart, I am really surprised you have not had good luck with this gallery, but my gallery rules are designed to get you a high CTR on your gallery, once the surfer is at your paysite, I have no more control, it is up to you to convert him.

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07-10-2003, 08:11 AM

Originally posted by tootie
Choker's traffic used to totally ROCK for me, but lately it's been really bad. I don't know what happened, but I've made one sale in 41,000+ uniques to my gallery this time around and I usually get about 1 sale in 15,000 uniques to my galleries with his traffic. I've spent $200 on his traffic in the last few weeks and gotten $25 back so far. I used to make at least 150% of my money back with his traffic. Maybe it's just the summer, but I'm going to hold off buying anymore gallery spots from him for a little while.

Message me in CTTS with the urls that have not done good. I will take a look and see if I can find the problem. I do want people to tell me if they are not doing good with the traffic so I can have a chance to correct whatever needs fixing. I would rather you bitch at me than just be quiet and never use me again. This goes for anyone, I am not going to bite or yell at you, I want everyone happy.

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07-10-2003, 08:17 AM

Here is the problem with this gallery man, you are buying the 100k i-f-r-a-m-e-d test for $25 thsi is what the surfer sees

http://www.bigfreepics.com/teens.php...s_pass/&h=1325

You need to move that top banner to the bottom and move the thumbs up to the top of the gallery. The surfers do not think this is a gallery as it looks now so they click out. I-f-r-am-e-d spots are tricky, you have to design your gallery around the headers and footers, but once you know how to do this, you will find that these spots are 50% more profitable than regular spots. In fact they are outselling my regular spots 3 to 1 now. Traffic to these galleries is not what I want it yet, but this will all change within a month.

ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466

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