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  • LadyMischief
    Orgasms N Such!
    • Sep 2002
    • 18135

    #151
    Originally posted by sexeducation
    JACT: For any questionable age graphic - I specifically looked up the source and can reveal the source ... and the website that claims the graphic is legal and complies with 2257.

    You did not think I did that - but I did.
    Have for several years.

    In fact - I have not downloaded another graphic series (which is an average of porn - for research) for quite some time.

    And the fact is - I have presented my research and conclusions - AND MISTAKES - for full critique.

    SexEducation.com is a global magazine of sexual intercourse.
    No, fuckface.. YOU ARE LEGALLY OBLIGATED TO POST THAT INFORMATION YOURSELF... Not the site you steal it from. You are *NOT* 2257 compliant. You don't even have legal license to display those images.. If you do, please post it here. I would LOVE to see it.

    Your site is not a magazine, it's not about sexual intercourse, it's a way for you to get your sick fucking jollies off, and it's not even a website.. It's an atrocity. You wanted a critique, there it is. I'm sure your next critique will be from the local law enforcement, or at least I can hope.

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    • LadyMischief
      Orgasms N Such!
      • Sep 2002
      • 18135

      #152
      Originally posted by sexeducation
      Anyway - it has been another 16 day ...
      I will come back tomorrow.
      Have a good nite everyone.
      POOF
      The heat getting to be too much so you have to run away? Guess you can't deal with reality when it's biting you in the ass..

      Don't forget your lithium.

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      • jact
        Confirmed User
        • Sep 2002
        • 9134

        #153
        Originally posted by sexeducation
        JACT: For any questionable age graphic - I specifically looked up the source and can reveal the source ... and the website that claims the graphic is legal and complies with 2257.

        You did not think I did that - but I did.
        Have for several years.

        In fact - I have not downloaded another graphic series (which is an average of porn - for research) for quite some time.

        And the fact is - I have presented my research and conclusions - AND MISTAKES - for full critique.

        SexEducation.com is a global magazine of sexual intercourse.
        I don't care if that's what you did, that isn't legal, and that IS theft, jesus christ you fucking idiot, go flush your head a couple times, you might shake some of that goddamn dimensia you suffer from.
        Free agent

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        • Webby
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • Oct 2002
          • 14956

          #154
          You care to say when you molested a child yet???

          I dunno why you are making an issue of your "website" - cos this is nothing in relation to your other "activities".

          What was the name of the last child you molested??

          Did they appreciate your "advances"???
          XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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          • gothweb
            Confirmed User
            • Jun 2002
            • 8849

            #155
            http://www.asacp.com

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            • Webby
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Oct 2002
              • 14956

              #156
              Care to say where you were born sexeducation?????

              Still waiting for a reply on your last child molestation.....
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              • Webby
                Too lazy to set a custom title
                • Oct 2002
                • 14956

                #157
                gothweb:

                Kinda supercedes asacp.com gothweb.. but thanks!!!
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                • gothweb
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jun 2002
                  • 8849

                  #158
                  HOW TO SEX:

                  Every person that is reproductively capable has a self evident right to an understanding of such.
                  (What?)

                  Like "walking","face recognition", "hearing" and "speech" for the newly born infant; the sexual response system for everyone is NOT initially programmed at birth.
                  (Face recognition is largely an innate ability, not requiring any training, experience, etc. Likewise, we can hear from birth.)

                  If the sexual position or activity does not stimulate the clitoris-glans - orgasm will not result.
                  (Wrong.)

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                  • Webby
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 14956

                    #159
                    Yes, Basically the guy talks shit... but tries to be "clever" with it.

                    Domains under his control serve up CP. But his actual sex offender stuff is much more damaging than any website.

                    He is a known child sex offender - and some more! Just needs a term ... a long one... in jail.
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                    • malakajoe
                      Confirmed User
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 1751

                      #160
                      Originally posted by sexeducation
                      Anyway - it has been another 16 day ...
                      I will come back tomorrow.
                      Have a good nite everyone.
                      POOF
                      Third time asking these questions. You keep ignoring them.

                      1. You think having nude minors is not kiddie porn?
                      2. Is it illegal to have nude pictures of minors on your pc?
                      3. Why is it ok for minors to see pictures of hardcore sexual intercourse?
                      4. Why do you use the nickname dad?
                      5. Are you a member of NAMBLA?
                      6. Do you support NAMBLA?
                      7. Do you get aroused looking at naked pictures of minors?

                      And I will add another one. Why didn't you answer the 2 questions asking if you have ever been diagnosed with a mental problem and if pre-teens arouse you? You answered 4 other questions in the same post, but left those 2 out.

                      I will keep asking until you answer. I won't let you dodge if you keep coming back for more.
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                      • nosey
                        Talk Hard
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 14413

                        #161

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                        • malakajoe
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                          • Feb 2003
                          • 1751

                          #162
                          Originally posted by nosey
                          Looks like Swoit is having some problems. Your sig is not working.

                          I am sure many at GFY are laughing if Swoit is having some big problems.
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                          • NetRodent
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                            • Jan 2002
                            • 3985

                            #163
                            SexEductation: Consult with a lawyer immediately. You do not want to be taking this sort of chance without being fully informed about the law and your responsibilities. Don't just assume you know what you're doing. It may cost you a few hundred today, but it might save you thousands later and it might keep your ass out of jail.
                            "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
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                            • LadyMischief
                              Orgasms N Such!
                              • Sep 2002
                              • 18135

                              #164
                              Originally posted by NetRodent
                              SexEductation: Consult with a lawyer immediately. You do not want to be taking this sort of chance without being fully informed about the law and your responsibilities. Don't just assume you know what you're doing. It may cost you a few hundred today, but it might save you thousands later and it might keep your ass out of jail.
                              We've been telling him this for months, however he's already a known fellon and sex offender, I doubt a lawyer is going to help him much at this point.

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                              • Webby
                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                • Oct 2002
                                • 14956

                                #165
                                sexeducation:

                                Just in case you forgot... I'll just prompt you again with the questions you avoided by parrotting about "fluff and fodder":



                                You care to say when you molested a child yet???

                                I dunno why you are making an issue of your "website" - cos this is nothing in relation to your other "activities".

                                What was the name of the last child you molested??

                                Did they appreciate your "advances"???
                                XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                                • Webby
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • Oct 2002
                                  • 14956

                                  #166
                                  Forgotten the name of that child you sexually assaulted last??

                                  Tell me, cos I am curious... how often did you assault children but were never caught out???
                                  XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                                  • Webby
                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                    • Oct 2002
                                    • 14956

                                    #167
                                    sexeducation:

                                    Cummon... you can't have conveniently gone after one of these "16 hour days" already???

                                    Educate me on the mind of a child molestor.....
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                                    • LadyMischief
                                      Orgasms N Such!
                                      • Sep 2002
                                      • 18135

                                      #168
                                      He posted in that other thread so he's been on..apparently he didn't want to bump this one.. Too much truth in it, methinks

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                                      • Webby
                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                        • Oct 2002
                                        • 14956

                                        #169
                                        But... there are other days to come
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                                        • Webby
                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                          • Oct 2002
                                          • 14956

                                          #170
                                          sexeducation:

                                          Still waiting for an answer in English that does not involve the spouting of rhetoric justifying your child porn sites.

                                          You care to say when you molested a child yet???

                                          What was the name of the last child you molested??

                                          Did they appreciate your "advances"???
                                          XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                                          • Webby
                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                            • Oct 2002
                                            • 14956

                                            #171
                                            What thread is gonna die sexeducation????
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                                            • LadyMischief
                                              Orgasms N Such!
                                              • Sep 2002
                                              • 18135

                                              #172
                                              He wants this one to die

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                                              • Webby
                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                • Oct 2002
                                                • 14956

                                                #173
                                                What a pity ... my heart reaches out for it
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                                                • malakajoe
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                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                  • 1751

                                                  #174
                                                  Originally posted by malakajoe


                                                  Third time asking these questions. You keep ignoring them.

                                                  1. You think having nude minors is not kiddie porn?
                                                  2. Is it illegal to have nude pictures of minors on your pc?
                                                  3. Why is it ok for minors to see pictures of hardcore sexual intercourse?
                                                  4. Why do you use the nickname dad?
                                                  5. Are you a member of NAMBLA?
                                                  6. Do you support NAMBLA?
                                                  7. Do you get aroused looking at naked pictures of minors?

                                                  And I will add another one. Why didn't you answer the 2 questions asking if you have ever been diagnosed with a mental problem and if pre-teens arouse you? You answered 4 other questions in the same post, but left those 2 out.

                                                  I will keep asking until you answer. I won't let you dodge if you keep coming back for more.
                                                  Bump for SexEducation.
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                                                  • Fuse
                                                    Registered User
                                                    • Jun 2003
                                                    • 1

                                                    #175
                                                    Originally posted by sexeducation
                                                    "You deny it and demand proof. ... .."

                                                    Curious - well ya. Remember innocent until proven guilty.

                                                    Only she [LADY] is saying this - yet am I guilty?

                                                    She says - she has proof - where is it?

                                                    Well - where is yours?

                                                    Where is this CP?

                                                    roflmao

                                                    Why the fuck are you laughing about this? Do you realize what you are being accused of?

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                                                    • mephisto
                                                      Registered User
                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                      • 60

                                                      #176
                                                      been here on this board posting a really short while now but I already see that this sexeducation guy is not liked very much and from the way he behaves, i don't see where he has anything really going for him.

                                                      recently tho someone posted "proof" of cp on his site and yet no one called the rcmp on him?
                                                      just a question, why didn't anyone?
                                                      I am questioning here for the sake of questioning, not for the sake of supporting. from what i have seen so far I don't even like the guy and his style of posting as he comes off like he is a little crazy. *shrug
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                                                      • malakajoe
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Feb 2003
                                                        • 1751

                                                        #177
                                                        Originally posted by mephisto
                                                        been here on this board posting a really short while now but I already see that this sexeducation guy is not liked very much and from the way he behaves, i don't see where he has anything really going for him.

                                                        recently tho someone posted "proof" of cp on his site and yet no one called the rcmp on him?
                                                        just a question, why didn't anyone?
                                                        I am questioning here for the sake of questioning, not for the sake of supporting. from what i have seen so far I don't even like the guy and his style of posting as he comes off like he is a little crazy. *shrug
                                                        Some have stated that they have reported him to the local police where he lives and he is being investigated.
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                                                        • malakajoe
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                                                          • Feb 2003
                                                          • 1751

                                                          #178
                                                          Originally posted by Fuse



                                                          Why the fuck are you laughing about this? Do you realize what you are being accused of?
                                                          That is why I keep asking him to answer some questions I asked him on another thread. If he isn't guilty, he should be able to answer.

                                                          He thinks this is all a joke, which makes people like you and me believe he is a CP asshole. If someone called me a CP and a child molestor, I would do all I could do to defend myself. This guy thinks he is smart by avoiding questions, and posting things like this. He does it over and over....he is so fucking dumb, he doesn't realize he makes himself look more guilty everytime he does it.

                                                          Fucking rimlicking malaka sicko.
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                                                          • theking
                                                            Nice Kitty
                                                            • Sep 2002
                                                            • 21053

                                                            #179
                                                            Originally posted by malakajoe


                                                            That is why I keep asking him to answer some questions I asked him on another thread. If he isn't guilty, he should be able to answer.

                                                            He thinks this is all a joke, which makes people like you and me believe he is a CP asshole. If someone called me a CP and a child molestor, I would do all I could do to defend myself. This guy thinks he is smart by avoiding questions, and posting things like this. He does it over and over....he is so fucking dumb, he doesn't realize he makes himself look more guilty everytime he does it.

                                                            Fucking rimlicking malaka sicko.
                                                            I would not defend myself against such a charge/charges because I would know that I do not have any involvement in CP and also it is extremely difficult to disprove a negative. In addition...to the best of my knowledge...no one on this board is a DA/Prosecuter (there are persecutors) so why should he answer any questions that are asked of him by you or anyone else on this board?
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                                                            • malakajoe
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                                                              • Feb 2003
                                                              • 1751

                                                              #180
                                                              Originally posted by theking


                                                              I would not defend myself against such a charge/charges because I would know that I do not have any involvement in CP and also it is extremely difficult to disprove a negative. In addition...to the best of my knowledge...no one on this board is a DA/Prosecuter (there are persecutors) so why should he answer any questions that are asked of him by you or anyone else on this board?
                                                              True..but the guy has admitted freely that he has underage models on his site...and his site states that minors can enter his members area.

                                                              I don't think GFY wants any CP people here..the adult industry doesn't want them. We are pointing out this guy is shouldn't have any involvement in the adult industry if what others are saying about him is true, beyond what he even admits. If the adult industry stood up more against these assholes, I would only see good better things happen.
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                                                              • Webby
                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                • 14956

                                                                #181
                                                                theking:

                                                                I would not defend myself against such a charge/charges because I would know that I do not have any involvement in CP and also it is extremely difficult to disprove a negative. In addition...to the best of my knowledge...no one on this board is a DA/Prosecuter (there are persecutors) so why should he answer any questions that are asked of him by you or anyone else on this board?
                                                                You complaining about some "attack" on a child molestor??

                                                                No... he does not need to defend himself, not least because he has no defense.

                                                                This person operates website/s which contain child pornography, he is also a known child sex offender. These are simple facts.
                                                                There is no "defense" for this.
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                                                                • Webby
                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                  • 14956

                                                                  #182
                                                                  sexeducation:

                                                                  Now that you've crept on to GFY again... reckon you can answer *any* of malakajoe's questions or mine???

                                                                  To keep your memory refreshed:

                                                                  When was the last time you assaulted a child???

                                                                  Do you refute your website/s carry child porn???

                                                                  Do you remember the name of the last child you assaulted???

                                                                  By the way... "Mr Beacock" - have you assaulted more children that have not come forward... yet???
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                                                                  • malakajoe
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Feb 2003
                                                                    • 1751

                                                                    #183
                                                                    Bump yet again for the self admitted CP person of GFY.


                                                                    Originally posted by malakajoe


                                                                    Third time asking these questions. You keep ignoring them.

                                                                    1. You think having nude minors is not kiddie porn?
                                                                    2. Is it illegal to have nude pictures of minors on your pc?
                                                                    3. Why is it ok for minors to see pictures of hardcore sexual intercourse?
                                                                    4. Why do you use the nickname dad?
                                                                    5. Are you a member of NAMBLA?
                                                                    6. Do you support NAMBLA?
                                                                    7. Do you get aroused looking at naked pictures of minors?

                                                                    And I will add another one. Why didn't you answer the 2 questions asking if you have ever been diagnosed with a mental problem and if pre-teens arouse you? You answered 4 other questions in the same post, but left those 2 out.

                                                                    I will keep asking until you answer. I won't let you dodge if you keep coming back for more.
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                                                                    • XYCash
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                                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                                      • 582

                                                                      #184
                                                                      Originally posted by malakajoe
                                                                      Bump yet again for the self admitted CP person of GFY.


                                                                      Originally posted by malakajoe


                                                                      Third time asking these questions. You keep ignoring them.

                                                                      1. You think having nude minors is not kiddie porn?
                                                                      2. Is it illegal to have nude pictures of minors on your pc?
                                                                      3. Why is it ok for minors to see pictures of hardcore sexual intercourse?
                                                                      4. Why do you use the nickname dad?
                                                                      5. Are you a member of NAMBLA?
                                                                      6. Do you support NAMBLA?
                                                                      7. Do you get aroused looking at naked pictures of minors?

                                                                      If you want the facts you should look them up.

                                                                      He is in Canada isn't he? Pictures of nude minors *technically* aren't even illegal in the U.S. - though some have been prosecuted for it.

                                                                      Canada puts out a shitload of nudist magazines that show both minors and adults naked.

                                                                      So to answer your question nude pictures of kids isn't legally considered CP.

                                                                      Canadian law as it defines CP :

                                                                      2.the said Act is further amended by addidng thereto, immediately after section 163 thereof, the following section:

                                                                      163.1 (1) In this section, "child pornography" means
                                                                      (a) a photographic, film, video or other visual representation, whether or not is was made by electronic or mechanical means,
                                                                      (i) that shows a person who is or is depicted as being under the age of eighteen years and is engaged in or is depicted as engaged in explicit sexual activity, or
                                                                      (ii) the dominant characteristic of which is the depiction, for a sexual purpose, of a sexual organ or the anal region of a person under the age of eighteen years; or

                                                                      http://www3.sympatico.ca/toshiya.k.n...c-128final.htm

                                                                      Infact I just found this site on google which says the age of consent for most sex is 14.
                                                                      http://www.walnet.org/csis/legal_tip.../jailbait.html

                                                                      Now if this guy has sexually explicit pics on his website - he would be in clear violation of the law.

                                                                      I can't find any Canadian law that says a child cannot be exposed to pornography. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist....i just couldn't find it.

                                                                      I'm not defending this guy, but some of you need to get your facts straight as to what is considered CP and what isn't.
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                                                                      • XYCash
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                                                                        • Jun 2003
                                                                        • 582

                                                                        #185
                                                                        This is an interesting article on wired which looks at ..as it says - the murky category known as "child erotica," which includes images of naked children that don't meet the strict legal definitions of child pornography.

                                                                        http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,52345,00.html
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                                                                        • DJRCyberAVS
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                                                                          • Jul 2002
                                                                          • 493

                                                                          #186
                                                                          And the fact is - I have presented my research and conclusions - AND MISTAKES - for full critique.
                                                                          No defence in court.... You can't turn round and say putting a minor up on your website and suggesting it's ok for minors to enter an 'adult' site was a mistake when your ass gets nailed.

                                                                          You've said you can't afford legal advice? What the fuck are doing providing Sex Education advive when are unqualified, not even represented by an attorney, discussing such topics as CP, when you have no idea about basic 2257 information or the use of stolen content? Shut down your system now... FUCKWIT!

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                                                                          • DJRCyberAVS
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                                                                            • Jul 2002
                                                                            • 493

                                                                            #187
                                                                            XYCASH

                                                                            That's blown out of the water when he's listing his website as a 'Porn' site and asking for a 'Porn' site review. Mixing images of nude minors for educational purposes and hardcore porn doesn't exactly go together... Somehow I don't think he's going to get away with 'erotica' or with an 'educational' defence with suggestions that it's ok for minors to look at porn.

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                                                                            • Webby
                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                                              • 14956

                                                                              #188
                                                                              XYCash:

                                                                              If you want the facts you should look them up.

                                                                              He is in Canada isn't he? Pictures of nude minors *technically* aren't even illegal in the U.S. - though some have been prosecuted for it.

                                                                              Canada puts out a shitload of nudist magazines that show both minors and adults naked.

                                                                              So to answer your question nude pictures of kids isn't legally considered CP.

                                                                              etc....
                                                                              Perhaps the best way to answer you comment is to say, - all things are not as they appear to be.

                                                                              That said, this guy has voilated the laws of Canada, US and several other countries.
                                                                              XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                                                                              • XYCash
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                                                                                • Jun 2003
                                                                                • 582

                                                                                #189
                                                                                Originally posted by DJRCyberAVS
                                                                                XYCASH

                                                                                That's blown out of the water when he's listing his website as a 'Porn' site and asking for a 'Porn' site review. Mixing images of nude minors for educational purposes and hardcore porn doesn't exactly go together... Somehow I don't think he's going to get away with 'erotica' or with an 'educational' defence with suggestions that it's ok for minors to look at porn.
                                                                                Read the law:

                                                                                163.1 (1) In this section, "child pornography" means
                                                                                (a) a photographic, film, video or other visual representation, whether or not is was made by electronic or mechanical means,
                                                                                (i) that shows a person who is or is depicted as being under the age of eighteen years and is engaged in or is depicted as engaged in explicit sexual activity, or
                                                                                (ii) the dominant characteristic of which is the depiction, for a sexual purpose, of a sexual organ or the anal region of a person under the age of eighteen years

                                                                                If your argument is that he can't put nude pics of minors on a website that contains porn - the there would have to be a law that says that - in Canada - not in the U.S. - not in the U.K.

                                                                                I haven't even looked at the site and don't intend to I agree it's exploitation of a minor *in my opinion* - but the law is the law and saying that naked pics of minors are always illegal is ridiculous.

                                                                                That is what gets parents arrested for taking pics of their kids playing in the bathtub.
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                                                                                • malakajoe
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                                                                                  #190
                                                                                  Originally posted by XYCash

                                                                                  If you want the facts you should look them up.

                                                                                  He is in Canada isn't he? Pictures of nude minors *technically* aren't even illegal in the U.S. - though some have been prosecuted for it.

                                                                                  Canada puts out a shitload of nudist magazines that show both minors and adults naked.

                                                                                  So to answer your question nude pictures of kids isn't legally considered CP.

                                                                                  Canadian law as it defines CP :

                                                                                  2.the said Act is further amended by addidng thereto, immediately after section 163 thereof, the following section:

                                                                                  163.1 (1) In this section, "child pornography" means
                                                                                  (a) a photographic, film, video or other visual representation, whether or not is was made by electronic or mechanical means,
                                                                                  (i) that shows a person who is or is depicted as being under the age of eighteen years and is engaged in or is depicted as engaged in explicit sexual activity, or
                                                                                  (ii) the dominant characteristic of which is the depiction, for a sexual purpose, of a sexual organ or the anal region of a person under the age of eighteen years; or

                                                                                  http://www3.sympatico.ca/toshiya.k.n...c-128final.htm

                                                                                  Infact I just found this site on google which says the age of consent for most sex is 14.
                                                                                  http://www.walnet.org/csis/legal_tip.../jailbait.html

                                                                                  Now if this guy has sexually explicit pics on his website - he would be in clear violation of the law.

                                                                                  I can't find any Canadian law that says a child cannot be exposed to pornography. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist....i just couldn't find it.

                                                                                  I'm not defending this guy, but some of you need to get your facts straight as to what is considered CP and what isn't.
                                                                                  His site is hosted in America. So breaking American Law in that aspect.

                                                                                  His admin contact is in America, and the admins site links directly to SexEducation.com. So he "might" be do business in America, also.

                                                                                  That is why I am asking for him to defend himself. Then we know the facts. With how he has been answering questions and more importantly avoding questions, he makes himself look very guilty.
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                                                                                  • XYCash
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                                                                                    • Jun 2003
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                                                                                    #191
                                                                                    Originally posted by malakajoe


                                                                                    His site is hosted in America. So breaking American Law in that aspect.

                                                                                    His admin contact is in America, and the admins site links directly to SexEducation.com. So he "might" be do business in America, also.

                                                                                    That is why I am asking for him to defend himself. Then we know the facts. With how he has been answering questions and more importantly avoding questions, he makes himself look very guilty.
                                                                                    So? he could move his host to Canada...would that solve everything?

                                                                                    Regardless...like I said...despite what everyone thinks - pics of naked kids in the United States are not illegal - even though people definitely have been prosecuted for it, though most not succesfully.

                                                                                    Do a search for Jock Sturges on Amazon - they are selling naked pics of kids through his book.

                                                                                    Try Sally Mann - also sold through Amazon.

                                                                                    Unless these are sexually explicit pics as defined by the law you can argue all you want...they aren't illegal.
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                                                                                    • gothweb
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                                                                                      • Jun 2002
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                                                                                      #192
                                                                                      Stolen, undocumented photos of naked children presented to minors on a porn site by a known sex offender who likes his fans to call him "Dad" will not go over well in court.

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                                                                                      • XYCash
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                                                                                        #193
                                                                                        Originally posted by gothweb
                                                                                        Stolen, undocumented photos of naked children presented to minors on a porn site by a known sex offender who likes his fans to call him "Dad" will not go over well in court.
                                                                                        I totally agree. But i am talking about the law and the post I responded to said "you think having nude minors is not kiddy porn"

                                                                                        And i said - nude minors - according to the law is not CP

                                                                                        What you say above is for jurys, judges and lawyers to resolve - I highly doubt you are going to teach this guy any moral awareness.
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                                                                                        • gothweb
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                                                                                          #194
                                                                                          Originally posted by XYCash


                                                                                          I totally agree. But i am talking about the law and the post I responded to said "you think having nude minors is not kiddy porn"

                                                                                          And i said - nude minors - according to the law is not CP

                                                                                          What you say above is for jurys, judges and lawyers to resolve - I highly doubt you are going to teach this guy any moral awareness.
                                                                                          I am not sure this is wholly about the law. Child pornography can be wrong, even if it isn't against the law by some laws.

                                                                                          Also, you may be thinking too narrowly. There are all sorts of crimes he could be charged for, besides a specific child porn law...

                                                                                          Contributing to the delinquency of a minor...
                                                                                          Failure to provide 2257 documentation...
                                                                                          Obscenity...
                                                                                          Etc.

                                                                                          If he really is a known sex offender, he could also be violating parole or other related laws by encouraging children to look at obscene materials, or posessing nude photos of children himself.

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                                                                                          • XYCash
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                                                                                            #195
                                                                                            Originally posted by gothweb


                                                                                            I am not sure this is wholly about the law. Child pornography can be wrong, even if it isn't against the law by some laws.

                                                                                            Also, you may be thinking too narrowly. There are all sorts of crimes he could be charged for, besides a specific child porn law...

                                                                                            Contributing to the delinquency of a minor...
                                                                                            Failure to provide 2257 documentation...
                                                                                            Obscenity...
                                                                                            Etc.

                                                                                            If he really is a known sex offender, he could also be violating parole or other related laws by encouraging children to look at obscene materials, or posessing nude photos of children himself.
                                                                                            You could be absolutely right. I don't know. And it seems like neither does anyone else in this thread.

                                                                                            Does Canada register their sex offenders like the U.S. ?

                                                                                            Is he on parole?

                                                                                            2257 only applies to sexually explicit material and it certainly doesn't appy to Canada...it's a U.S. law.

                                                                                            Nude pics of children are not considered obscene, or amazon would be under litigation right now as would Barnes & Noble
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                                                                                            • gothweb
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                                                                                              #196
                                                                                              Originally posted by XYCash

                                                                                              2257 only applies to sexually explicit material and it certainly doesn't appy to Canada...it's a U.S. law.

                                                                                              Nude pics of children are not considered obscene, or amazon would be under litigation right now as would Barnes & Noble
                                                                                              1.) I don't think it has been clearly established what counts as sexually explicit. However, he definitely has undocumented hardcore porn on his site. I've seen it. (Not necessarily underage, though it does happen to look pretty young.)

                                                                                              2.) He does business in the US. He's covered by US law, no matter where he lives.

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                                                                                              • XYCash
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                                                                                                #197
                                                                                                Originally posted by gothweb


                                                                                                1.) I don't think it has been clearly established what counts as sexually explicit. However, he definitely has undocumented hardcore porn on his site. I've seen it. (Not necessarily underage, though it does happen to look pretty young.)

                                                                                                2.) He does business in the US. He's covered by US law, no matter where he lives.
                                                                                                No way. 2257 applies to the united states. Not sites owned by foreign companies.

                                                                                                Perhaps whoever is hosting it could be held liable.

                                                                                                As far as 2257 goes - half the sites that are owned by companies that are actually IN the U.S. don't have 2257 posted on their sites.

                                                                                                I was just talking to a guy yesterday who was told by several content providers that they had never heard of providing their customers with documentation. Look on Ynots legal board for the thread.

                                                                                                Mind you...i just want to state very clearly I am not advocating ANYONE actually go out and starting a site with nude pics of kids on it..because they will more than likely end up being, at the very least, scrutinized by the authorities, but these pics are not illegal by U.S. law or Canadian law.

                                                                                                Read U.S. code and Canadian code. They must be proven to be sexually explicit

                                                                                                I mean jeeze....VISA is still allowing processing for borderline CP sites...I've said this before and I'll say it again - I've notified tons of people - posted it here...and STILL they process for these sites.

                                                                                                DO a search for union-billing or regpay on google...why the hell CC companies STILL process for these sites is beyond me.
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                                                                                                • gothweb
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                                                                                                  #198
                                                                                                  Originally posted by XYCash


                                                                                                  No way. 2257 applies to the united states. Not sites owned by foreign companies.

                                                                                                  Perhaps whoever is hosting it could be held liable.

                                                                                                  As far as 2257 goes - half the sites that are owned by companies that are actually IN the U.S. don't have 2257 posted on their sites.

                                                                                                  Read U.S. code and Canadian code. They must be proven to be sexually explicit
                                                                                                  He is hosting in the US. He is breaking a US law in the US, and can thus be prosecuted. I imagine his host could get in trouble too.

                                                                                                  Whether or not everyone is complying with 2257, it is a real law on the books and everyone is accountable to it. Ignorance of the law, or common non-compliance with a law, does not change anything.

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                                                                                                  • XYCash
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                                                                                                    #199
                                                                                                    Originally posted by gothweb


                                                                                                    He is hosting in the US. He is breaking a US law in the US, and can thus be prosecuted. I imagine his host could get in trouble too.

                                                                                                    Whether or not everyone is complying with 2257, it is a real law on the books and everyone is accountable to it. Ignorance of the law, or common non-compliance with a law, does not change anything.
                                                                                                    That is ridiculous. They haven't gone after one website for 2257. Have you seen even one prosecution yet?

                                                                                                    Their first is going to be expediting a guy who lives in canada who is posting pics of non sexually explicit nude kids who are obviously under 18?

                                                                                                    2257 is a code established to make pornographers prove their models who are participting in sexually explicit acts are over 18.
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                                                                                                    • gothweb
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                                                                                                      #200
                                                                                                      Originally posted by XYCash


                                                                                                      That is ridiculous. They haven't gone after one website for 2257. Have you seen even one prosecution yet?

                                                                                                      Their first is going to be expediting a guy who lives in canada who is posting pics of non sexually explicit nude kids who are obviously under 18?

                                                                                                      2257 is a code established to make pornographers prove their models who are participting in sexually explicit acts are over 18.
                                                                                                      You seem to spend a lot of time saying he isn't doing anything wrong because he won't get caught. I hope you see the problem with that line of reasoning.

                                                                                                      I have to ask... Why are you defending this guy?

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