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  • BlueDesignStudios
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    • Feb 2003
    • 9492

    #101
    Originally posted by Rick Latona
    I never imagined that this thread would be one post away from a third page.
    Any question always brings out the experts of GFY. Page 3!

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    • SweetT
      Shank-A-Potamus
      • Jan 2002
      • 1756

      #102
      Originally posted by BlueDesignStudios

      Any question always brings out the experts of GFY. Page 3!

      Speak for yourself....I was going for the 20 bucks


      --T

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      • BlueDesignStudios
        Confirmed User
        • Feb 2003
        • 9492

        #103
        Originally posted by SweetT



        Speak for yourself....I was going for the 20 bucks


        --T
        Hahah LOL - as was I, and I was working damn hard for it all over the first two pages

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        • High Quality
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          • Feb 2002
          • 5741

          #104
          The USDollar will crash within the next 15 years (see Post WWI germany and photos of children playing with stacks of money), so your contract is worth whatever you think you can get in the next 15 years.

          Good luck.

          BTW, now is the time to buy a house on a huge ass mortgage.

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          • BradShaw
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            • Oct 2001
            • 7840

            #105
            Stuff like this is why I employee a CPA and finanical advisor. Way over my head, heck I failed algebra!
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            • FlyingIguana
              aspiring banker
              • Mar 2002
              • 10870

              #106
              Originally posted by Rick Latona
              Ok,

              The question is regarding the time value of money. I need to know which is more valuable, why and what formula was used to determine the answer.

              A. 2,250 dollars a month for 40 years.
              B. 2,750 dollars a month for 18 years.

              Use 8% as an interest rate and tell me what each contract is worth today in a lump sum.
              do you still need to know? i haven't looked through the thread. if you do i can tell you in a second

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              • Imageauction
                Confirmed User
                • Dec 2002
                • 355

                #107
                DOH! misread the question!
                Last edited by Imageauction; 07-02-2003, 09:27 PM.
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                • Rick Latona
                  The Best Ideas Start Here
                  • Dec 2002
                  • 6037

                  #108
                  The answers in this thread make me wonder if anyone understands what Visa means by 1%.
                  Regards,

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                  • 4Pics
                    Confirmed User
                    • Dec 2001
                    • 7952

                    #109
                    Is this for a Home or Building or is this for something on the internet?

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                    • FlyingIguana
                      aspiring banker
                      • Mar 2002
                      • 10870

                      #110
                      Originally posted by Lenny2
                      In order to figure the time value of money you need a number to use for inflation right?
                      that would be included in the required rate of return

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                      • Kimmykim
                        bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                        • Jun 2001
                        • 16015

                        #111
                        Originally posted by Rick Latona
                        The answers in this thread make me wonder if anyone understands what Visa means by 1%.
                        Dont think those mofo's aint on the down payment plan for one second baby ;)

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                        • FlyingIguana
                          aspiring banker
                          • Mar 2002
                          • 10870

                          #112
                          Originally posted by WiredGuy
                          The formula you would use is:
                          A = P(1 + r/100)^t

                          Where A = Amount, P = Principle, R = Interest Rate per annum and t = time in years. But you mentioned you're adding money every month, so the above will give you per annum so the interest will be off by a bit but should be close enough to compute the difference.

                          The actual formula you would use would depend when interest is computed, so say interest is paid out N times per year then you adjust the formula to this:
                          A = P[1 + r/(N * 100)]^(Nt)

                          Where N = number of times per annum interest is paid.

                          I'll stick to the easy case...

                          So, Contract A: $2250 * 12 = $27,000 per year
                          So, Contract B: $2750 * 12 = $33,000 per year

                          Contract A = $27000*(1.08) ^ 40 = $586,562.08
                          Contract B = $33000*(1.08) ^ 18 = $131,868.64

                          Contract A would win.

                          But remember the numbers are not exact since you can't do $2250 * 12 really since it depends when interest is computed. If interest is computed continiously, that gets even uglier...

                          Hope this helps Bobble Head
                          WG
                          lets take A and assume annual compounding.
                          n=40
                          i=8
                          pmt=27000

                          so pv=321,964.56

                          monthly compounding would be 323,595.88

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                          • FlyingIguana
                            aspiring banker
                            • Mar 2002
                            • 10870

                            #113
                            Originally posted by traffic addict
                            Hi Rick as you said

                            So here it is again just for you

                            The numbers that you see in my formula are present value, if you want to know the value in the end of the period you need to use a deferent Formula, but it doesn't mater any way, because you need to know what is the best offer, and the best way to check it out is by using the present value of the offer.

                            there is no logic in checking what will be the value of a in another 40 years and to comper it to the value of b in another 18 years.

                            You need to bring bouth offers to the same date, and that is why you are useing the present value formula.

                            you can trust me, I have an MBA from Wharton
                            your numbers are wrong, the pv of a is over 300k. its pretty simple stuff.

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                            • Kimmykim
                              bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                              • Jun 2001
                              • 16015

                              #114
                              Risk level.

                              Can I say it louder?

                              RISK LEVEL.

                              Will Sweet T say it with me?

                              risk level.

                              The only thing that maybe cant be hurt is dirt.


                              Watch the insurance clauses in your investment properties. Very closely.

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                              • Carrie
                                Confirmed User
                                • Apr 2002
                                • 3162

                                #115
                                My brain hurts.
                                At this point I simply want to see the house that is worth this much payment per month. Pictures?

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                                • Maca
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Apr 2002
                                  • 183

                                  #116
                                  Linear thought: If the question really is which is more VALUABLE then it doesn't really matter what interest you apply:

                                  The simple answer is the more valuable is A; 2250 x 12 x 40 = 1,080,000

                                  B; 2750 x 12 x 18 = 594,000
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                                  • Rick Latona
                                    The Best Ideas Start Here
                                    • Dec 2002
                                    • 6037

                                    #117
                                    Originally posted by Kimmykim
                                    Risk level.

                                    Can I say it louder?

                                    RISK LEVEL.

                                    Will Sweet T say it with me?

                                    risk level.

                                    The only thing that maybe cant be hurt is dirt.


                                    Watch the insurance clauses in your investment properties. Very closely.
                                    My friend, you are always right. I'm not sure that I like you so much. Especially since I didn't get invited to your party.
                                    Regards,

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                                    • FlyingIguana
                                      aspiring banker
                                      • Mar 2002
                                      • 10870

                                      #118
                                      Originally posted by Maca
                                      Linear thought: If the question really is which is more VALUABLE then it doesn't really matter what interest you apply:

                                      The simple answer is the more valuable is A; 2250 x 12 x 40 = 1,080,000

                                      B; 2750 x 12 x 18 = 594,000
                                      if you want to know what the value of the future cash flows are today then you need a discount rate...

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                                      • Jeffery
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Nov 2002
                                        • 485

                                        #119
                                        You say an 8% interest? Does this mean that NONE of the monthly stipend is spent (All goes into the bank). Meaning the previous years stipend + interest goes into the bank and the current year's interest is calculated from the new total?

                                        Are you looking for the value of the contracts at their closure with all interest computed or the value of each contract after 40 years with all interest computed?

                                        Should be pretty easy to figure up in either case.
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                                        • Rick Latona
                                          The Best Ideas Start Here
                                          • Dec 2002
                                          • 6037

                                          #120
                                          Originally posted by Jeffery
                                          You say an 8% interest? Does this mean that NONE of the monthly stipend is spent (All goes into the bank). Meaning the previous years stipend + interest goes into the bank and the current year's interest is calculated from the new total?

                                          Are you looking for the value of the contracts at their closure with all interest computed or the value of each contract after 40 years with all interest computed?

                                          Should be pretty easy to figure up in either case.
                                          At this point we have most of it figured out. The issue is that there is an exchange of an asset for one of the two contracts. The challenge is to determine which contract has greater value by converting the contracts into today's value.
                                          Regards,

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                                          • FlyingIguana
                                            aspiring banker
                                            • Mar 2002
                                            • 10870

                                            #121
                                            Originally posted by Rick Latona


                                            At this point we have most of it figured out. The issue is that there is an exchange of an asset for one of the two contracts. The challenge is to determine which contract has greater value by converting the contracts into today's value.
                                            someone already gave those numbers. contract A looked better. but i would use a larger discount rate because of the length. 8% imo should only be used for less than 5 years. at least 10% imo.

                                            the calculation you asked for is mickey mouse. its like adding 1+1

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                                            • Rick Latona
                                              The Best Ideas Start Here
                                              • Dec 2002
                                              • 6037

                                              #122
                                              Originally posted by FlyingIguana


                                              someone already gave those numbers. contract A looked better. but i would use a larger discount rate because of the length. 8% imo should only be used for less than 5 years. at least 10% imo.

                                              the calculation you asked for is mickey mouse. its like adding 1+1
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                                              • Kimmykim
                                                bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                                                • Jun 2001
                                                • 16015

                                                #123
                                                Originally posted by Rick Latona


                                                My friend, you are always right. I'm not sure that I like you so much. Especially since I didn't get invited to your party.
                                                Hey now, you KNOW you are always welcome anywhere I am, so don't even try that.

                                                Now go to the airport and I'll see you when it's time to throw the ribs on the grill

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                                                • FlyingIguana
                                                  aspiring banker
                                                  • Mar 2002
                                                  • 10870

                                                  #124
                                                  Originally posted by Rick Latona


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