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  • quiet
    we'll miss you our friend. RIP
    • Sep 2001
    • 25115

    #1

    does anyone actually think newbies will ruin the industry?

    it's a poll, so you can be honest. are you really that threatened?
    60
    hell no
    0%
    28
    not sure
    0%
    9
    hell yes
    0%
    11
    don't give a shit
    0%
    12
    we'll miss you our friend. RIP
  • Amputate Your Head
    There can be only one
    • Aug 2001
    • 39075

    #2
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    • lil2rich4u2's woman
      So Fucking Banned
      • Jun 2003
      • 239

      #3
      Newbies rock! my baby is a newbie

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      • Jakke PNG
        ex-TeenGodFather
        • Nov 2001
        • 20306

        #4
        Not necessarily newbies... idiots ruin this biz that come after easy money with no fucking clue, often known as newbies. Not all newbies are evil though, just like 95% imho. Also define newbie, I can be considered a newbie, I don't make $10k/month yet.

        edit: see the post above mine.
        ..and I'm off.

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        • lil2rich4u2
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          • Oct 2002
          • 11046

          #5
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          • SleazyDream
            I'm here for SPORT
            • Jul 2001
            • 41470

            #6
            i'd say more than 3/4 of the real players out there base their BUSINESS on newbies with affiliate programs and other like business models.
            This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

            Now read without the word dog.

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            • Amputate Your Head
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              • Aug 2001
              • 39075

              #7
              I don't mind n00bs.... in fact n00bs are a good thing.

              it's the fucking dumb ass aggravating muther fuckers that couldn't learn a fucking recipe for a glass of milk that piss me off to no end.
              SIG TOO BIG

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              • fiveyes
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                • Aug 2001
                • 1680

                #8
                I agree with SleazyDream. Anyone targetting surfers is using a business plan from the '90's.
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                • Jakke PNG
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                  • Nov 2001
                  • 20306

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
                  I don't mind n00bs.... in fact n00bs are a good thing.

                  it's the fucking dumb ass aggravating muther fuckers that couldn't learn a fucking recipe for a glass of milk that piss me off to no end.
                  agreed 100%
                  ..and I'm off.

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                  • quiet
                    we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                    • Sep 2001
                    • 25115

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
                    I don't mind n00bs.... in fact n00bs are a good thing.

                    it's the fucking dumb ass aggravating muther fuckers that couldn't learn a fucking recipe for a glass of milk that piss me off to no end.
                    i sort of agree. the first part for sure. the second is basic entertainment.
                    we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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                    • buddyjuf

                      #11
                      without newbies, we dont know how smart and talented we really are....
                      think about it, newbies are a virtue

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                      • SleazyDream
                        I'm here for SPORT
                        • Jul 2001
                        • 41470

                        #12
                        Originally posted by fiveyes
                        I agree with SleazyDream. Anyone targetting surfers is using a business plan from the '90's.
                        i currently make about the same amount of money from targeting webmasters as targeting surfers.

                        but I have little tolerance for stupidity so I let cybercat handle all the webmaster work. if i had to do it I WOULDN'T do it. - simple as that. I get pissed off too easily.
                        This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                        Now read without the word dog.

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                        • quiet
                          we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                          • Sep 2001
                          • 25115

                          #13
                          Originally posted by SleazyDream


                          i currently make about the same amount of money from targeting webmasters as targeting surfers.
                          with your shotgun?
                          we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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                          • iwantchixx
                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                            • Oct 2002
                            • 12860

                            #14
                            I don't think newbs will ruin the biz. Either they learn quick and start pumping good traffic around and making money for themselves and all involved with them or they make fuckall and quit 3 months into it.

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                            • Amputate Your Head
                              There can be only one
                              • Aug 2001
                              • 39075

                              #15
                              (removed)


                              gettin' kinda loose here... giving away more info than I'm comfortable with
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                              • SleazyDream
                                I'm here for SPORT
                                • Jul 2001
                                • 41470

                                #16
                                Originally posted by quiet


                                with your shotgun?

                                shotguns can shoot a single bullet if you have a clue..........
                                This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                Now read without the word dog.

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                                • quiet
                                  we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                                  • Sep 2001
                                  • 25115

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by SleazyDream



                                  shotguns can shoot a single bullet if you have a clue..........
                                  shot guns with bullets.
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                                  • timmahan
                                    Registered User
                                    • Jun 2003
                                    • 15

                                    #18
                                    So I'm a newbie, and most of you guys get referal fees and overrides by linking me to Sponsor/Affilliates.

                                    Show me some program/content that actual gets a 1:300 conversion rate or better and I'lk use your links

                                    Tim

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                                    • SinEmpire
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Nov 2001
                                      • 9813

                                      #19
                                      This topic is laughable, I can't believe anyone is scared of newbies.
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                                      • Amputate Your Head
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                                        • Aug 2001
                                        • 39075

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by SinEmpire
                                        This topic is laughable, I can't believe anyone is scared of newbies.
                                        word...

                                        it's not the newbs anyone should be scared of.... it's the guys that know what the hell they're doing that are fully capable of jacking you up that people should be scared of.
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                                        • SleazyDream
                                          I'm here for SPORT
                                          • Jul 2001
                                          • 41470

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by quiet


                                          shot guns with bullets.
                                          yep. (referred to as slugs) often used in hunting deer in wooded areas with much residental housing nearby. that bullet (slug) from a shotgun has about a 100 yard kill range but won't travel much more than 300 yards - unlike a rifle bullet that can travel several miles if one misses their taget and be a DANGER to residentual houseing and the like.
                                          This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                          Now read without the word dog.

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                                          • SleazyDream
                                            I'm here for SPORT
                                            • Jul 2001
                                            • 41470

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Amputate Your Head


                                            word...

                                            it's not the newbs anyone should be scared of.... it's the guys that know what the hell they're doing that are fully capable of jacking you up that people should be scared of.
                                            listen up folks - amp KNOWS what he's talking about here.
                                            This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                            Now read without the word dog.

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                                            • quiet
                                              we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                                              • Sep 2001
                                              • 25115

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by SleazyDream


                                              yep. (referred to as slugs) often used in hunting deer in wooded areas with much residental housing nearby. that bullet (slug) from a shotgun has about a 100 yard kill range but won't travel much more than 300 yards - unlike a rifle bullet that can travel several miles if one misses their taget and be a DANGER to residentual houseing and the like.
                                              are able to tell the difference when shot in the arm with either? put up or shut up.

                                              we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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                                              • iwantchixx
                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                • Oct 2002
                                                • 12860

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by timmahan
                                                So I'm a newbie, and most of you guys get referal fees and overrides by linking me to Sponsor/Affilliates.

                                                Show me some program/content that actual gets a 1:300 conversion rate or better and I'lk use your links

                                                Tim

                                                WHy would I do that. If I gave you a link to my 1:50 sponsor you would go sign up, not knowing what you are doing, and saturate that sponsor for 2 weeks. Effectively hurting a lot of people's bottom line. The 1.5 dollars per sale I would get from you is not worth it lol.


                                                This is the only thing that does hurt the biz when it comes to newbies. Is they get greedy and saturate the fuck out of a sponsor until they give up.


                                                Other than that ... newbs are nothing to be scared of.

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                                                • iwantchixx
                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                  • 12860

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Amputate Your Head


                                                  word...

                                                  it's not the newbs anyone should be scared of.... it's the guys that know what the hell they're doing that are fully capable of jacking you up that people should be scared of.

                                                  true true.

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                                                  • SleazyDream
                                                    I'm here for SPORT
                                                    • Jul 2001
                                                    • 41470

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by quiet


                                                    are able to tell the difference when when shot in the arm with either? put up or shut up.

                                                    ummm, i'm the one who contended that i couldn't tell the difference..... - by your logic we should shoot YOU and see if YOU can tell the difference.
                                                    This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                    Now read without the word dog.

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                                                    • eroswebmaster
                                                      March 1st, 2003
                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                      • 20295

                                                      #27
                                                      We're all "noobs" to some degree.

                                                      What do I mean?

                                                      This is an ever changing business.

                                                      What worked last year doesn't work this year. What works tomorrow won't work next week.

                                                      Standards change, formats change, faster connections, faster computers, different languages, different cultural markets.

                                                      As an adult webmaster you are in a constant state of adaptation, it's those who refuse to learn, or grow and stand still that die off.

                                                      Now don't get me wrong. There are of course many successful individuals who do the same thing today as they were doing 5 years ago, sticking with a plan that has shown them nothing but rewards.

                                                      Anyway just my opinion.
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                                                      • quiet
                                                        we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                                                        • Sep 2001
                                                        • 25115

                                                        #28
                                                        back to the topic. newbies - how important are they to new (and old) affilate programs?
                                                        we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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                                                        • SleazyDream
                                                          I'm here for SPORT
                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                          • 41470

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by quiet
                                                          back to the topic. newbies - how important are they to new (and old) affilate programs?
                                                          awww come on, can'nt we shoot you first?
                                                          This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                          Now read without the word dog.

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                                                          • quiet
                                                            we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                                                            • Sep 2001
                                                            • 25115

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by SleazyDream


                                                            ummm, i'm the one who contended that i couldn't tell the difference..... - by your logic we should shoot YOU and see if YOU can tell the difference.
                                                            um, you are on crack. beer is my field. shot gun ammunition (apparently) is yours.

                                                            or maybe not.
                                                            we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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                                                            • Jakke PNG
                                                              ex-TeenGodFather
                                                              • Nov 2001
                                                              • 20306

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by quiet
                                                              back to the topic. newbies - how important are they to new (and old) affilate programs?
                                                              They don't mean shit to me, yet. I don't think many newbies buy designs... atleast sofar my customers mainly know what they want.
                                                              When/if I launch an affiliate program I need to adjust my attitude.
                                                              ..and I'm off.

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                                                              • quiet
                                                                we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                                                                • Sep 2001
                                                                • 25115

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by SleazyDream


                                                                awww come on, can'nt we shoot you first?
                                                                pretty please ;)
                                                                we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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                                                                • Pornwolf
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                                                                  • Jan 2002
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
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                                                                  • hard2mpress
                                                                    Its almost time
                                                                    • Dec 2002
                                                                    • 13009

                                                                    #34
                                                                    i dont think so

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                                                                    • SomeCreep
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                                                                      • Mar 2003
                                                                      • 26118

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Newbies suck. But if they're honest, willing to work hard, and have good ethics, then eventually these will be people who are a credit to the industry and could develop to be "big players". Unfortunately, a great majority of newbies just have intentions of cheating and spamming to see if they can make a quick buck and they do ruin things.

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                                                                      • SleazyDream
                                                                        I'm here for SPORT
                                                                        • Jul 2001
                                                                        • 41470

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by quiet


                                                                        um, you are on crack. beer is my field. shot gun ammunition (apparently) is yours.

                                                                        or maybe not.
                                                                        man do you EVER wiggle and squirm when you're on a loosing slide.


                                                                        for the record, I'm against handguns in total, as well as automatic weapons. I'm for rifles and shotguns but not for the same reasons as most people. My reasons in favor of them is political.

                                                                        I know a bit about shotgun ammo cause although I'm against hunting in total I know it can't be stopped in my area. that being said I also know dozens and dozens of people with houses in rural areas with BULLET holes in their homes from stray rifle bullets. If these hunters used shotguns rather than rifles many many many fewer people's LIVES wouldn't be endangered. ( i even know people who have been SHOT by stray hunter bullets) Plus animals would be killed more hunamily as it would FORCE hunter to take closer shots (under 100 yards) which would be MORE accurate and more deadly and cause LESS wounded animals that get away as now many idiots try and kill deer at 600+ yards and just wound or miss them. Personally I don't like that much at all.

                                                                        just my 2 pennies on that topic.
                                                                        This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                                        Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                        • eroswebmaster
                                                                          March 1st, 2003
                                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                                          • 20295

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Growing up in Texas it was a big thing to fish and hunt.

                                                                          Tried it. I can handle fishing, but after my first couple of hunting kills, couldn't do it anymore.

                                                                          Yeah I'm a pussy.

                                                                          I'll eat a big fat ol' steak as long as I don't have to whack the cow ;)
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                                                                          • quiet
                                                                            we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                                                                            • Sep 2001
                                                                            • 25115

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by SleazyDream


                                                                            man do you EVER wiggle and squirm when you're on a loosing slide.


                                                                            for the record, I'm against handguns in total, as well as automatic weapons. I'm for rifles and shotguns but not for the same reasons as most people. My reasons in favor of them is political.

                                                                            I know a bit about shotgun ammo cause although I'm against hunting in total I know it can't be stopped in my area. that being said I also know dozens and dozens of people with houses in rural areas with BULLET holes in their homes from stray rifle bullets. If these hunters used shotguns rather than rifles many many many fewer people's LIVES wouldn't be endangered. ( i even know people who have been SHOT by stray hunter bullets) Plus animals would be killed more hunamily as it would FORCE hunter to take closer shots (under 100 yards) which would be MORE accurate and more deadly and cause LESS wounded animals that get away as now many idiots try and kill deer at 600+ yards and just wound or miss them. Personally I don't like that much at all.

                                                                            just my 2 pennies on that topic.
                                                                            losing side of what?

                                                                            you stated that all beer comes from the SAME grain. utter bullshit.

                                                                            i don't pretend to be an expert on shot gun ammo.

                                                                            i didn't loose (the correct word is 'lose') anything.
                                                                            we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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                                                                            • SleazyDream
                                                                              I'm here for SPORT
                                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                                              • 41470

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by eroswebmaster
                                                                              Growing up in Texas it was a big thing to fish and hunt.

                                                                              Tried it. I can handle fishing, but after my first couple of hunting kills, couldn't do it anymore.

                                                                              Yeah I'm a pussy.

                                                                              I'll eat a big fat ol' steak as long as I don't have to whack the cow ;)
                                                                              agreed
                                                                              This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                                              Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                              • eroswebmaster
                                                                                March 1st, 2003
                                                                                • Jul 2001
                                                                                • 20295

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by quiet


                                                                                losing side of what?

                                                                                you stated taht all beer comes from the grain. utter bullshit.

                                                                                i don't pretend to be an expert on shot gun ammo.

                                                                                i didn't loose (the correct word is 'lose') anything.
                                                                                LOL I love the direction this thread is turning.

                                                                                Why do we need to hate the noobs when we all turn on each other at some point
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                                                                                • quiet
                                                                                  we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                                                                                  • Sep 2001
                                                                                  • 25115

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by eroswebmaster


                                                                                  LOL I love the direction this thread is turning.

                                                                                  Why do we need to hate the noobs when we all turn on each other at some point
                                                                                  except that i love you
                                                                                  we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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                                                                                  • eroswebmaster
                                                                                    March 1st, 2003
                                                                                    • Jul 2001
                                                                                    • 20295

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by quiet


                                                                                    except that i love you
                                                                                    oh man I'm blushing
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                                                                                    • SleazyDream
                                                                                      I'm here for SPORT
                                                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                                                      • 41470

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by quiet


                                                                                      losing side of what?

                                                                                      you stated that all beer comes from the grain. utter bullshit.

                                                                                      i don't pretend to be an expert on shot gun ammo.

                                                                                      i didn't loose (the correct word is 'lose') anything.

                                                                                      ohh come on, you're playing a semantics game with the grain issue wiggling and squirming your way out of it. everyone knows and can see that. if there's a difference in the grain then PROVE it - not with some pany abmy website reference, but by real world taste.

                                                                                      take my bet
                                                                                      This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                                                      Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                                      • SleazyDream
                                                                                        I'm here for SPORT
                                                                                        • Jul 2001
                                                                                        • 41470

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by eroswebmaster


                                                                                        LOL I love the direction this thread is turning.

                                                                                        Why do we need to hate the noobs when we all turn on each other at some point
                                                                                        I'm not turning on quiet?

                                                                                        I'm TEASING and taunting him...............................
                                                                                        This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                                                        Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                                        • eroswebmaster
                                                                                          March 1st, 2003
                                                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                                                          • 20295

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by SleazyDream


                                                                                          I'm not turning on quiet?

                                                                                          I'm TEASING and taunting him...............................
                                                                                          LOL I know...I'm teasing you both
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                                                                                          • quiet
                                                                                            we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                                                                                            • Sep 2001
                                                                                            • 25115

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by SleazyDream



                                                                                            ohh come on, you're playing a semantics game with the grain issue wiggling and squirming your way out of it. everyone knows and can see that. if there's a difference in the grain then PROVE it - not with some pany abmy website reference, but by real world taste.

                                                                                            take my bet
                                                                                            oh come now - do you need to respond to one of my posts. sit back for a couple of minutes. then produce an entirely new reply. LOL

                                                                                            You said that all beer was from the same grain. that was utter bullshit (proven). now you want to play some games. cause you feel bad about being shown the dirt.

                                                                                            fun.
                                                                                            we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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                                                                                            • SleazyDream
                                                                                              I'm here for SPORT
                                                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                                                              • 41470

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by eroswebmaster


                                                                                              LOL I know...I'm teasing you both
                                                                                              ummm, no. you're annoying me.
                                                                                              This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                                                              Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                                              • eroswebmaster
                                                                                                March 1st, 2003
                                                                                                • Jul 2001
                                                                                                • 20295

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by SleazyDream


                                                                                                ummm, no. you're annoying me.
                                                                                                LOL you still angry?

                                                                                                Come on man, let's not hold grudges.

                                                                                                I'm not a bad guy, we didn't hang long enough at the show for you to really figure that out but ask Tom he'll vouch for me.

                                                                                                If you don't recall who I am, I'm the guy that was hanging with Aaron M and Charly and we all went looking for the space bulldog.

                                                                                                I had saved one of those little nerf rocket things to take home to my 11 year old niece and you broke it...LOL

                                                                                                I'm not mad at you
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                                                                                                • timmahan
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                                                                                                  • Jun 2003
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by iwantchixx



                                                                                                  WHy would I do that. If I gave you a link to my 1:50 sponsor you would go sign up, not knowing what you are doing, and saturate that sponsor for 2 weeks. Effectively hurting a lot of people's bottom line. The 1.5 dollars per sale I would get from you is not worth it lol.


                                                                                                  This is the only thing that does hurt the biz when it comes to newbies. Is they get greedy and saturate the fuck out of a sponsor until they give up.


                                                                                                  Other than that ... newbs are nothing to be scared of.
                                                                                                  Maybe You wouldn't, but I see a lot of posts on this board that show a link to an Affiliate/Spnsor in their Logo. What's that about. Are threy just BS or are they wanting to push that Sponsor because it works and they make money too. Othrewise why the AD in the Logo??

                                                                                                  WOW 1:50 I If that's for real, would be willing to to co/op share with you. BTW How does saturatation hurt the market? If it's that HOT there is room for more promo

                                                                                                  Tim

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                                                                                                  • quiet
                                                                                                    we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                                                                                                    • Sep 2001
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    i can make one post. and sleazy will post a reply. then think some more, and post another reply.

                                                                                                    cool
                                                                                                    we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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