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And the idiot of the year award goes to.....Originally posted by TondaB
Account Reakwon -
Your account was cancelled because you are under 18 and you told me yourself.
Thanks for playing
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Common sense tells me not to do this. Most contracts state may be cancel by either parties ( Main Stream Companies Included ) All mine did and I was in a Main Stream business for over 20 years. And yes for NO reason you can cancel. Most of you young people really should take a course in business 101, because they dam sure must not be teaching any in regular school any more. I know Common sense can't be taught, so that leaves 75% of you on this boardOriginally posted by Matt 26z
Here's what I get from that...
1) You may not tell a surfer that if he becomes a member of a Wegcash site, you'll give him access to another site too.
2) You may not coax a surfer to become a member. It must be 100% voluntary on their part.
There is nothing there having anything to do with what this guy did.
For the record, I don't agree with exactly how he did what he did.... But you should be able to educate the surfer about the billing process in general.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAOriginally posted by TondaB
Account Reakwon -
Your account was cancelled because you are under 18 and you told me yourself.
Thanks for playing
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I don't think openly instructing the surfer on how to get a free trial, dowload all the sponsor's content and then cancel before the sponsor makes a dime is the solution here. Do you?Originally posted by cherrylula
Maybe so they don't learn how to chargeback?
If you have something a surfer wants, he will pay for it.
Hoping the surfer forgets to cancel and converts is part of the reason why visa is down our fucking throats.Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
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S.O.P for most if not all sponsors, can't really blame them.Originally posted by Brazzer
Tonda if your program is so great ...why did you hang up in my face ?...why did you pretend to be in a meeting for 1 week ?...if you dont want to pay fine....why are you still using and selling the double confirmed emails I sent you ?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Joesho
[B]
He did not TELL anyone to cancel!!!!
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He didn't? Take a closer look and I quote..."and cancel your membership once you've finished jerking off, THAT WAY EVERYTHING IS COMPLETELY FREE :o)"
That does not say you can cancel or you have the option to cancel it says; it says and cancel your membership.ICQ: 61462417Comment
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Idiots like this are what make it necessary to have huge ass contracts anymore. Jesus Christ people. You're killing me!
Why people don't understand that cheating will ALWAYS come back to bite them in the ass is just beyond me, really. This guy does something "questionable" to make a couple hundred bucks. Then acts all surprised when someone smacks him down. Ends up losing several thousand dollars.
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I just read your TOS. It wouldn't hold up court for more than a few seconds with the information that Braz stated. While it is true that either side can be released of the contract, your company is still liable for payment. You have to prove he had the intention of commiting fraud which he didn't. You also have to prove that the majority of the proceeds generated were fraudulent which they weren't.Originally posted by TondaB
Brazzer -
You admit that you violated our terms of service. You admit that we emailed you. Here is just a section of our TOS:
"The term of this Agreement will begin upon our acceptance of your Affiliate Program Application and will end when terminated by either party. Either you or we may terminate this Agreement at any time, with or without cause, by giving the other party notice of termination. Notice by e-mail, to your e-mail address on our records, is considered sufficient notice to terminate this Agreement. If this Agreement is terminated because you have violated the terms of this Agreement you are not eligible to receive any commission?s payments, even for commissions earned prior to the date of termination."
You agreed to this when you signed up for an account with WEGCash. We did not screw anyone over all we did was follow the rules. See an additional section of our TOS:
"You may not...engage in any other marketing activity which is intended to create a signup which is not completely voluntary and made on a good faith intent to become a member of our site(s)."
Now do you think this site was following the rules?
Frankly, I would shut the fuck up and pay and redo your TOS. All this is first year contract law law school stuff.Last edited by Giorgio_Xo; 06-26-2003, 10:55 AM.Make Levees, Not WarComment
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right ??Originally posted by TondaB
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Your account was cancelled because you are under 18 and you told me yourself.
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he/she said they have been in this business for 4 years. What he/she did is **NOT** being ahead of his/her time it's *FUCKING* old, saw it years ago. And to post about not getting paid on this board, and admitting he/she did what they were acused of is fucking down right stupid.Originally posted by Joesho
maybey he was ahead of his time by doing this.
I learned along time ago, if you do not understand the TOS read it until you do, if you still can't understand them, call or email the sponsor, or do like I do **DO Not Promote Them**
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Look at the screen cap. It says right there on his page.Originally posted by Joesho
He did not TELL anyone to cancel!!!!
"Cancel your membership once you've finished jerking off. That way everything is completly free."
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My program is great!Originally posted by Brazzer
Tonda if your program is so great ...why did you hang up in my face ?...why did you pretend to be in a meeting for 1 week ?...if you dont want to pay fine....why are you still using and selling the double confirmed emails I sent you ?
Peace
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I hung up on you because you had already been notified, proof had been sent and you had already spoke to Gabe about the situation.
Obviously Gabe did not give you the response you wanted to hear so I you continued to dial everyone's extension in our entire office. I repeated what you had already been told but again this was not good enough for you. You began your ranting and raving and I told you that our conversation was done and hung up the phone.
I do not pretend that I am in meetings. If you had flown out to Southern California like you said...you would have seen that I am a busy woman and am in some sort of meetings most of the time. No harm in doing my job right?
As far as your double confirmed emails and why I am still using them? I would ask you why if WEGCash is so bad are you still sending us traffic?ICQ: 61462417Comment
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by TondaB
[B][QUOTE]Originally posted by Joesho
He did not TELL anyone to cancel!!!!
He didn't? Take a closer look and I quote..."and cancel your membership once you've finished jerking off, THAT WAY EVERYTHING IS COMPLETELY FREE :o)"
That does not say you can cancel or you have the option to cancel it says; it says and cancel your membership.
I stand corrected!!! (again damnit)
On this issue, is it better to fight over the charge back thing, or should the surfer be made aware that he can cancel though?
Seems to me that this would help fight chargebacks, and possibly make visa look at it differently, ?
I mean the wording on sites has been changed, the pop up thing is under fire, the justice dept looks for other charges than obscenity to go after since they are not winning those battles..(they will follow the money then sieze it if they can prove deception) The millions that the merchant services made off of the porn industry did not stop them from cutting off the industry...(probably due to the deception thing) I mean they are used to charge backs and all... so what is the answear?
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most of these people I see are without a clue.Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Idiots like this are what make it necessary to have huge ass contracts anymore. Jesus Christ people. You're killing me!
Why people don't understand that cheating will ALWAYS come back to bite them in the ass is just beyond me, really. This guy does something "questionable" to make a couple hundred bucks. Then acts all surprised when someone smacks him down. Ends up losing several thousand dollars.
Hello?!?! McFly?!?! "Questionable" things lead to too much damn trouble and you end up LOSING money. STOP DOING IT! 
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I have carefully weighed all the evidence and find in favor of Brazzer. Even if he did cheat, it is clear that Wegcash let the account get nice and bloated before they did anything about it. They surely must have liked his traffic and only when the account was worth stealing did they do anything about his alleged cheating. This is no different than when an undercover cop buys small amounts of drugs over time just so they can run the charges up to a felony level. It's bullshit.
This is why you should only use sponsors as a last resort. Create your own programs or sell your own products. 99% of all sponsors steal from you in one way or another. Start your own paysite and you'll see exactly how bad they all shave/steal/whatever.Comment
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Giorgio_XoOriginally posted by Giorgio_Xo
I just read your TOS. It wouldn't hold up court for more than a few seconds with the information that Braz stated. While it is true that either side can be released of the contract, your company is still liable for payment. You have to prove he had the intention of commiting fraud which he didn't. You also have to prove that the majority of the proceeds generated were fraudulent which they weren't.
Frankly, I would shut the fuck up and pay and redo your TOS. All this is first year contract law law school stuff.
Thanks for your post. As I am not a lawyer and do not claim to be one, maybe you should email our in house legal dept. I am sure they would love a lesson in Legal 101.ICQ: 61462417Comment
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Would he do that instructing the surfer shit if it was a 50/50 partnership? No? Why not? I'll tell you why.... because he would be shooting himself in the foot, that's why. But because it's a per-signup it's okay to fuck the sponsor like he was doing, walk away with $30+ dollars per trial and he instructs the surfers to cancel????
Yeah, somebody should be taken to court alright. HIM. Some of you people have your heads up your collective asses here.Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
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They caught him cheating. I don't think there is some time limit on that makes it ok to cheat as long as you don't get caught cheating for X amount of time. I find in favor of the sponsor. No check for him! HAHAOriginally posted by twistyneck
I have carefully weighed all the evidence and find in favor of Brazzer. Even if he did cheat, it is clear that Wegcash let the account get nice and bloated before they did anything about it. They surely must have liked his traffic and only when the account was worth stealing did they do anything about his alleged cheating. This is no different than when an undercover cop buys small amounts of drugs over time just so they can run the charges up to a felony level. It's bullshit.
This is why you should only use sponsors as a last resort. Create your own programs or sell your own products. 99% of all sponsors steal from you in one way or another. Start your own paysite and you'll see exactly how bad they all shave/steal/whatever.GFY Voice of ReasonComment
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Add a section to your terms that deals with sending surfers with prohibited reasons for signing up. In this case, with a pre-determined intention to cancel the trial before buying the trial.Originally posted by TondaB
He didn't? Take a closer look and I quote..."and cancel your membership once you've finished jerking off, THAT WAY EVERYTHING IS COMPLETELY FREE :o)"
That does not say you can cancel or you have the option to cancel it says; it says and cancel your membership.
Until you do that, you can't say sending such a sign-up is in bad faith since it's an option you clearly offer to all trial members.Comment
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wegcash has been one of my sponsors for like the last year, the only issue i have ever had was when my mailman delivered my check to the wrong house. lol. tonda, jason, and crew have always been like clockwork for me.Originally posted by Brazzer
Listen I couldnt care less about getting paid....I have 27 other sponsors paying me.
You could call me cheater or whatever you want....Of course the company is gonna defend themselves someway or the other, But in the end if you Read my original post carefully you'll figure that there is obvious injustice.
I am posting this as a warning to everyone, you could choose to do whatever you want to do with it.
Tonda if your program is so great ...why did you hang up in my face ?...why did you pretend to be in a meeting for 1 week ?...if you dont want to pay fine....why are you still using and selling the double confirmed emails I sent you ?
FUCK WEGCASH AND WHOMEVER PROMOTES THEM, all the people worth doing business with will not join your program anymore .
Peace
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As I mentioned to Braz earlier, he should simply sue in small claims and let a judge decide. It will cost him $20 for the fees and everyone on GFY can see who is truly correct.Originally posted by TondaB
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Maybe if the world operated on your theory, Martha Stewart and Enron wouldn't be in so much trouble.Originally posted by twistyneck
I have carefully weighed all the evidence and find in favor of Brazzer. Even if he did cheat, it is clear that Wegcash let the account get nice and bloated before they did anything about it. They surely must have liked his traffic and only when the account was worth stealing did they do anything about his alleged cheating. This is no different than when an undercover cop buys small amounts of drugs over time just so they can run the charges up to a felony level. It's bullshit.
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Exactly. Nip the shit at the bud. Take care of little problems and they won't become big problems. They could have whacked his account months ago or sent him an email right away telling him to change his ways and none of this would be happening.Originally posted by Sly_RJ
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There could be grounds for a lawsuit in the title of this thread. This is a classic cheat & trash if I ever saw one.Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
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You're assuming they caught this cheat months ago. You're also assuming the guy that was proven to be cheating by the screen cap is also telling the truth about when he started cheating and how long he has been cheating. None of which matters really as he cheated, he go busted, he cried and got taken to school. He should not get paid a dime.Originally posted by twistyneck
Exactly. Nip the shit at the bud. Take care of little problems and they won't become big problems. They could have whacked his account months ago or sent him an email right away telling him to change his ways and none of this would be happening.GFY Voice of ReasonComment
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When they caught him doesn't really matter, they should have caught him months ago. I'm not defending him really, I'm saying that Wegcash knew about it (or should have) and tolerated it because he was bringing traffic. When it suited them, they kept his money.Originally posted by Hue G. Pness
You're assuming they caught this cheat months ago. You're also assuming the guy that was proven to be cheating by the screen cap is also telling the truth about when he started cheating and how long he has been cheating. None of which matters really as he cheated, he go busted, he cried and got taken to school. He should not get paid a dime.Comment
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I love the adult internet. All sorts of unwritten playground rules.
And for those still saying he broke the terms, I'd like to hear your interpritation of the lines of the terms in question.Comment
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How do you know they didn't just find the cheat last week, yesterday or what ever? You are assuming they knew but you don't know for sure. You are making assumtions based on what you think when you don't know when for sure they caught him cheating.Originally posted by twistyneck
When they caught him doesn't really matter, they should have caught him months ago. I'm not defending him really, I'm saying that Wegcash knew about it (or should have) and tolerated it because he was bringing traffic. When it suited them, they kept his money.GFY Voice of ReasonComment
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Twistyneck -Originally posted by twistyneck
When they caught him doesn't really matter, they should have caught him months ago. I'm not defending him really, I'm saying that Wegcash knew about it (or should have) and tolerated it because he was bringing traffic. When it suited them, they kept his money.
How do you know this? You have no clue when we found it and by saying that we tolerated it because he was bringing in traffic is ludicrous.ICQ: 61462417Comment
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What are you basing this accusation on exactly?Originally posted by twistyneck
When they caught him doesn't really matter, they should have caught him months ago. I'm not defending him really, I'm saying that Wegcash knew about it (or should have) and tolerated it because he was bringing traffic. When it suited them, they kept his money.
Hopefully you have something to back up that statement, because if Wegcash were my program I'd be talking to my lawyer right now. There are some statements and described actions in this thread that wouldn't sit well with me that's for damn sure.Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
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"cancel your membership once you finish jerking off that way everything is free" is not an education on anything EXCEPT how to avoid any billing at all, that's not 'educating your surfers' that's 'trying to fuck your sponsors'. If you ask me, he was indeed trying to fuck them and in the end....For the record, I don't agree with exactly how he did what he did.... But you should be able to educate the surfer about the billing process in general.Comment
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...he got hisself a one-way ticky to termination junction :DOriginally posted by Carol~Pornkings
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People, people, people.
A lawsuit? It will only clog the court system.
My solution:
Brazzer and Gabe enter a room together.
The door is closed.
Whoever walks out of the room (crawling doesn't count) gets the 5k.
Simple, clean, fair, and honest....just like WEG.
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Originally posted by twistyneck
This is why you should only use sponsors as a last resort. Create your own programs or sell your own products. 99% of all sponsors steal from you in one way or another. Start your own paysite and you'll see exactly how bad they all shave/steal/whatever.Comment
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Sad but true, the place is chock full of.........he got hisself a one-way ticky to termination junctionComment
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The point I'm trying to make is that you should have known about it. How it could go this long without anyone noticing is beyond me. It would make sense that when you have someone doing the volume he apparently was that you would check up on him and see what's going on.Originally posted by TondaB
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How do you know this? You have no clue when we found it and by saying that we tolerated it because he was bringing in traffic is ludicrous.
I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here, I have no doubt the guy was cheating, at least in spirit. I just think that Weg had some responsibility to mitigate the problem.Comment
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ex-affiliates who thunk they could beat the system.Originally posted by Carol~Pornkings
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How do you know how long it was going on?Originally posted by twistyneck
The point I'm trying to make is that you should have known about it. How it could go this long without anyone noticing is beyond me. It would make sense that when you have someone doing the volume he apparently was that you would check up on him and see what's going on.
I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here, I have no doubt the guy was cheating, at least in spirit. I just think that Weg had some responsibility to mitigate the problem.GFY Voice of ReasonComment
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99% is a mighty high number, have done research that might support this??99% of all sponsors steal from you in one way or another. Start your own paysite and you'll see exactly how bad they all shave/steal/whatever.Comment
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Carol,
Well said!
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I missed your sense of humor, good to see you
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Nice to see you too. How's things? When you get some time maybe you could shoot me an email? I just had some questions on products etc - I don't however want to detract from the idiocy we have here.I missed your sense of humor, good to see youComment
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chatboard attorneys, fools and the like.Originally posted by Carol~Pornkings
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Carol,
Will email you soon
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I've been shaved enough to know. Either they steal your traffic and send it off to some pop-up hell or they shave the stats directly. I didn't want to believe it myself but I started messing around with doing my own programs and lo and behold, the exact same traffic was converting at 1:15 or so. Hmmm...Originally posted by Carol~Pornkings
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The sponsor actually allows this as part of their billing process though. You can't deny that.Originally posted by Carol~Pornkings
"cancel your membership once you finish jerking off that way everything is free" is not an education on anything EXCEPT how to avoid any billing at all
So the real issue is that sponsors make such an option available, but don't want surfers to know it's there to be used in a manner that gets them free or low-cost porn.
Point being, the option is there no matter how you look at it. That's why there has to be something added to sponsor terms that deals with surfer intentions in terms of trials. Because it's just not there right now.Comment
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Matt -Originally posted by Matt 26z
I love the adult internet. All sorts of unwritten playground rules.
And for those still saying he broke the terms, I'd like to hear your interpritation of the lines of the terms in question.
Why do you think people have Terms of Service? We have them to protect ourselves against people like Brazzer. Now obviously there are a million ways to word things, you can see that just by looking at other programs terms, but the bottomline is what is the intent of the terms. Included in our TOS:
"We honor the spirit as well as the specific terms of our Programs and we expect the same of you. If you violate the intent of any of the terms of this Agreement your account will be terminated immediately without any prior notice."
Now he admits that he broke the rules. He just thinks he should still get paid. So it is obvious to me that the "spirit" and or "the intent" were understood just not followed.ICQ: 61462417Comment
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