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  • Brazzer
    Confirmed User
    • Mar 2003
    • 400
    #1

    Stay Away From Wegcash

    Some of you guys might already have heard about the controversy.

    I am the webmaster they screwed up , the sum of the fraud was about 5000$ usd , for absolutely no reason, here is the complete story.

    I am a Big gallery maker, I have over 4 years of credibility in the business and get over 1 mil per day on my galleries. Very possible that you guys didnt hear of me because I dont hang around on boards and dont own any big sites.

    I started promoting Wegcash.com about 4 months ago and every thing was going fine until about 3 weeks ago when I got an email from GABE saying my account was cancelled without pay. I immediatelly call them and ask wassup , here is the reason they gave me for not paying me 5000$

    "you are telling the surfers that they might cancel their memberships once the trial is expired".

    And I admit I did. This was for the EZpass program to which I sent 10 signups 3 months ago when I was still experimenting with wegcash.

    But the thing is that in the last month I sent over 4000 4free sign ups all coming from pages where I never told any user that they have the right to cancel their membership, and those are the ones they refuse to pay me.

    You find this fair ? Tonda , Gabe , Jason ....you fucking find this fair ?....

    The only reason you haven't heard of me for the past 2 weeks is because I was on vacation, but trust me now I just got back and I'll make sure Im the last guy you screw up like that.

    This is not something you do to gallery webmasters, everyone knows how hard it is to make a buck with galleries.

    Anyways, for me its no big deal, I could live without those fucking 5000$ but I'll get justice in the end, that's what matters.

    FUCK WEGCASH , STAY AWAY FROM THEM ....AND MOST OF ALL DONT BELIEVE A WORD THEY SAY!!!!!

    When you start making money they'll fuck you....thats the only guarantee you have with them.

    Peace
    Brazzer

    Brazzer
    icq: 255-069-099
    webmaster(at)juggcash(dot)com
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    • lil2rich4u2's woman
      So Fucking Banned
      • Jun 2003
      • 239
      #2
      ahhh

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        • Hue G. Pness
          Confirmed User
          • Jun 2003
          • 1237
          #3
          Originally posted by Brazzer



          "you are telling the surfers that they might cancel their memberships once the trial is expired".

          And I admit I did.

          Ok so you admit you broke a rule? If it's a rule that is. Not sure don't use them but most per trial programs don't take too kindly to telling your surfers to cancel after they sign up.
          GFY Voice of Reason

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            • loverboy
              When it rains, it pours
              • May 2003
              • 20609
              #4

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                • d0se
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 1225
                  #5
                  Drama!
                  <a href="http://www.swoit.com/_7075fcffae0c1be1a35492ee5bbfaae3/1"><img src="http://www.swoit.com/_7075fcffae0c1be1aab68e286ae87b30/1" border="0" width="120" height="60"></img></a>

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                    • Reak
                      So Fucking Banned
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 17920
                      #6
                      he men i got a storie for you,

                      i promoted them some weeks with a TGP

                      join 4 free program was making 50/60$ per day

                      and my account got Banned.

                      I contacted them and they had no good reason.

                      the checks i got where still working tough so i didnt loose any cash

                      but i agree they fucking suck

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                        • Turboface
                          Back in Black
                          • Mar 2002
                          • 9976
                          #7
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                            • Sly_RJ
                              Live Hard - Die Hard
                              • Feb 2002
                              • 17042
                              #8
                              You cheated their program. You're a cheater no matter how you try to justify it. They have every right to can you and deny ALL PAYMENT.

                              Rule #1: Don't try cheating programs. They WILL find you.

                              After 4 years in this industry, I would think you already knew this.
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                                • Brazzer
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Mar 2003
                                  • 400
                                  #9
                                  Sly_RJ :

                                  1. its the right of the surfer to know that they are allowed to cancel their membership after the trial is expired.

                                  2. Its nowhere to be found in the rules that this is not allowed, in my 4 years , I've done times and times again.

                                  3. We are talking about 5000$ legitimate dollars that they didnt pay me, you give a warning before banning a user with that much traffic.

                                  4. Read carefully before bashing me

                                  Peace Brazzer

                                  Brazzer
                                  icq: 255-069-099
                                  webmaster(at)juggcash(dot)com

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                                    • Giorgio_Xo
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Mar 2003
                                      • 4263
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by Brazzer
                                      Some of you guys might already have heard about the controversy.

                                      I am the webmaster they screwed up , the sum of the fraud was about 5000$ usd , for absolutely no reason, here is the complete story.

                                      I am a Big gallery maker, I have over 4 years of credibility in the business and get over 1 mil per day on my galleries. Very possible that you guys didnt hear of me because I dont hang around on boards and dont own any big sites.

                                      I started promoting Wegcash.com about 4 months ago and every thing was going fine until about 3 weeks ago when I got an email from GABE saying my account was cancelled without pay. I immediatelly call them and ask wassup , here is the reason they gave me for not paying me 5000$

                                      "you are telling the surfers that they might cancel their memberships once the trial is expired".

                                      And I admit I did. This was for the EZpass program to which I sent 10 signups 3 months ago when I was still experimenting with wegcash.

                                      But the thing is that in the last month I sent over 4000 4free sign ups all coming from pages where I never told any user that they have the right to cancel their membership, and those are the ones they refuse to pay me.

                                      You find this fair ? Tonda , Gabe , Jason ....you fucking find this fair ?....

                                      The only reason you haven't heard of me for the past 2 weeks is because I was on vacation, but trust me now I just got back and I'll make sure Im the last guy you screw up like that.

                                      This is not something you do to gallery webmasters, everyone knows how hard it is to make a buck with galleries.

                                      Anyways, for me its no big deal, I could live without those fucking 5000$ but I'll get justice in the end, that's what matters.

                                      FUCK WEGCASH , STAY AWAY FROM THEM ....AND MOST OF ALL DONT BELIEVE A WORD THEY SAY!!!!!

                                      When you start making money they'll fuck you....thats the only guarantee you have with them.

                                      Peace
                                      Brazzer
                                      Get all of your paperwork, statistics, and emails together and sue them in small claims court. If they don't show up, the judge will rule automatically against them.

                                      When people don't pay, I sue them in small claims.

                                      Your admitted violation is small potatoes and is not an excuse for cancellation well after the fact of the abuse. The abuse in percentages was minimal. Based on what little information you have gievn, you have a pretty good case.

                                      Of the 5 times I have sued in small claims, 3 times the defendent didn't even show up and I got a summary judgment.

                                      Don't post about this on any more boards, delete what you have posted, and immediately file.
                                      Make Levees, Not War

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                                        • Brazzer
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Mar 2003
                                          • 400
                                          #11
                                          5. This is intended to help other webmasters avoid to be in the situation Im in, if you feel Im wrong then dont follow my advice , thats it that's all , what they did has absolutely no justification .

                                          Brazzer
                                          icq: 255-069-099
                                          webmaster(at)juggcash(dot)com

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                                            • Ian
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Oct 2002
                                              • 1259
                                              #12
                                              Send us some Brazz, we pay 60/40 and we have a telephone and we answer it. LOL

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                                                • Spunky
                                                  I need a beer
                                                  • Jun 2002
                                                  • 133978
                                                  #13
                                                  Bastard Fucks

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                                                    • Niko
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                      • 120
                                                      #14
                                                      WEGCash's Terms and Conditions at http://www.wegcash.com/terms.html do not forbid you to tell the surfer that he can cancel his membership.

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                                                        • evildick
                                                          #15
                                                          I'm just wondering how you expect them to stay afloat if they pay you $33 per sign up for someone that is going to sign up for a free trial then cancel before they pay anything.

                                                          I've been receiving cheques from them for a long, long time.

                                                          Maybe you have a point about that not being in the TOS, but I would expect it to be almost common sense that you shouldn't be able to market their sites like that. (telling people to cancel)

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                                                            • hyper
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Mar 2002
                                                              • 5294
                                                              #16
                                                              it may not be in their terms
                                                              buy you tried to fuck them

                                                              its a matter of integrity

                                                              so they fucked you back


                                                              you can either print out their terms of service and find a lawyer
                                                              or learn fron this experience.

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                                                                • Matt 26z
                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                  • Apr 2002
                                                                  • 18481
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Telling surfers that they can cancel a trial before it turns over to full membership is just educating them about the billing process.

                                                                  I agree. Take them to small claims.

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                                                                    • Niko
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                                      • 120
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Common sense, yes; the same common sense should tell any per-signup program to state it in the TOS.
                                                                      Besides, not paying for 10 * $33 signups is a bit different from not paying $5K, is it?
                                                                      Last edited by Niko; 06-26-2003, 09:50 AM.

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                                                                        • TondaB
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • May 2002
                                                                          • 3162
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Brazzer -

                                                                          You admit that you violated our terms of service. You admit that we emailed you. Here is just a section of our TOS:
                                                                          "The term of this Agreement will begin upon our acceptance of your Affiliate Program Application and will end when terminated by either party. Either you or we may terminate this Agreement at any time, with or without cause, by giving the other party notice of termination. Notice by e-mail, to your e-mail address on our records, is considered sufficient notice to terminate this Agreement. If this Agreement is terminated because you have violated the terms of this Agreement you are not eligible to receive any commission?s payments, even for commissions earned prior to the date of termination."

                                                                          You agreed to this when you signed up for an account with WEGCash. We did not screw anyone over all we did was follow the rules. See an additional section of our TOS:
                                                                          "You may not...engage in any other marketing activity which is intended to create a signup which is not completely voluntary and made on a good faith intent to become a member of our site(s)."

                                                                          Now do you think this site was following the rules?


                                                                          Last edited by TondaB; 06-26-2003, 09:54 AM.
                                                                          ICQ: 61462417

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                                                                            • TondaB
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • May 2002
                                                                              • 3162
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by Reak
                                                                              he men i got a storie for you,

                                                                              i promoted them some weeks with a TGP

                                                                              join 4 free program was making 50/60$ per day

                                                                              and my account got Banned.

                                                                              I contacted them and they had no good reason.

                                                                              the checks i got where still working tough so i didnt loose any cash

                                                                              but i agree they fucking suck
                                                                              Account Reakwon -

                                                                              Your account was cancelled because you are under 18 and you told me yourself.

                                                                              Thanks for playing
                                                                              ICQ: 61462417

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                                                                                • Hue G. Pness
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Jun 2003
                                                                                  • 1237
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by Niko
                                                                                  Common sense, yes; the same common sense should tell any per-signup program to state it in the TOS.
                                                                                  Besides, not paying for 10 * $33 signups is a bit different that not paying $5K, is it?
                                                                                  Yea you're right some webmasters have to have every hundreds of various ways to cheat posted in a TOS in huge bright red letters and also have someone call them every day to remind them of this. Almost everyone knows on per trail sign ups you can't tell surfers to cancel the trial before it ends. Just like almost everyone knows you can't tell them they will never be charged or other bullshit like that. Old tricks repeated by cheaters time and again since per sign up gotr big. This is just a common rule in per sign up. You don't see signs hanging every where you go that say don't kill people do you? You just know that if you do you are fucked.
                                                                                  GFY Voice of Reason

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                                                                                    • Gary
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Aug 2001
                                                                                      • 6110
                                                                                      #22
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                                                                                        • sextoyking
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Dec 2001
                                                                                          • 6034
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Hi,

                                                                                          Please signup under my referal link so I can get credit and then please cancel being billed LOL

                                                                                          Wegcash is a great company, has been for years.

                                                                                          peace

                                                                                          Todd
                                                                                          ICQ: 52344098
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                                                                                            • Hue G. Pness
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Jun 2003
                                                                                              • 1237
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by TondaB
                                                                                              Brazzer -

                                                                                              You admit that you violated our terms of service. You admit that we emailed you. Here is just a section of our TOS:
                                                                                              "The term of this Agreement will begin upon our acceptance of your Affiliate Program Application and will end when terminated by either party. Either you or we may terminate this Agreement at any time, with or without cause, by giving the other party notice of termination. Notice by e-mail, to your e-mail address on our records, is considered sufficient notice to terminate this Agreement. If this Agreement is terminated because you have violated the terms of this Agreement you are not eligible to receive any commission?s payments, even for commissions earned prior to the date of termination."

                                                                                              You agreed to this when you signed up for an account with WEGCash. We did not screw anyone over all we did was follow the rules. See an additional section of our TOS:
                                                                                              "You may not...engage in any other marketing activity which is intended to create a signup which is not completely voluntary and made on a good faith intent to become a member of our site(s)."

                                                                                              Now do you think this site was following the rules?


                                                                                              HAHA another unjustly ripped off cheater that never did anything wrong. HAHA Schooled.
                                                                                              GFY Voice of Reason

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                                                                                                • homegrownmof
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                                  • 408
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Niko
                                                                                                  WEGCash's Terms and Conditions at http://www.wegcash.com/terms.html do not forbid you to tell the surfer that he can cancel his membership.

                                                                                                  From their terms:
                                                                                                  You may not require a signup to any of our 4free or other sites as a condition of accessing any site or receiving any other consideration or engage in any other marketing activity which is intended to create a signup which is not completely voluntary and made on a good faith intent to become a member of our site(s)

                                                                                                  Looks like you "engaged in any other marketing activity which is not.... made on a good faith intent to become a member of our site"

                                                                                                  Hence a violation, hence a termination.

                                                                                                  Why would you ever want to educate a surfer how to cancel?

                                                                                                  Don't expect to ever promote pay per free signup programs again.
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                                                                                                    • mule
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Jan 2002
                                                                                                      • 6085
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by TondaB


                                                                                                      Account Reakwon -

                                                                                                      Your account was cancelled because you are under 18 and you told me yourself.

                                                                                                      Thanks for playing
                                                                                                      oops
                                                                                                      Converting like a mofo

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                                                                                                        • lil2rich4u2
                                                                                                          ICQ: 175171926
                                                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                                                          • 11046
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          drama x2
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                                                                                                            • evildick
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Ha. So much for small claims court.

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                                                                                                                • CDSmith
                                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                  • May 2001
                                                                                                                  • 51460
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  I think I might just sign up with wegcash and add them to my list of sponsors, they're looking good in this thread.



                                                                                                                  It must suck to get owned as bad as some of these cheaters, crying that they aren't getting paid even though they admit to pulling stupid shit. Unreal.
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                                                                                                                    • Matt 26z
                                                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                      • Apr 2002
                                                                                                                      • 18481
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by TondaB
                                                                                                                      Either you or we may terminate this Agreement at any time, with or without cause

                                                                                                                      you are not eligible to receive any commission?s payments, even for commissions earned prior to the date of termination
                                                                                                                      What exactly was he in violation of though? What part of the terms can you say he violated? I think that's the issue.

                                                                                                                      If you are saying you've got the right to terminate the agreement at any time for any reason, and keep all payments owed, guess again.

                                                                                                                      That would never stand up in court, and in some cases it's probably illegal.

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                                                                                                                        • Hue G. Pness
                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                          • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                          • 1237
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Wonder if he will be back to respond to this after getting schooled.
                                                                                                                          GFY Voice of Reason

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                                                                                                                            • FlyingIguana
                                                                                                                              aspiring banker
                                                                                                                              • Mar 2002
                                                                                                                              • 10870
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Hue G. Pness


                                                                                                                              Ok so you admit you broke a rule? If it's a rule that is. Not sure don't use them but most per trial programs don't take too kindly to telling your surfers to cancel after they sign up.
                                                                                                                              exactly, those programs have to make money as well. no affiliate should encourage surfers to cancel a trial membership before it rebills.

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                                                                                                                                • TondaB
                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                  • May 2002
                                                                                                                                  • 3162
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Matt 26z


                                                                                                                                  What exactly was he in violation of though? What part of the terms can you say he violated? I think that's the issue.

                                                                                                                                  If you are saying you've got the right to terminate the agreement at any time for any reason, and keep all payments owed, guess again.

                                                                                                                                  That would never stand up in court, and in some cases it's probably illegal.
                                                                                                                                  Straight from our TOS:

                                                                                                                                  "You may not...engage in any other marketing activity which is intended to create a signup which is not completely voluntary and made on a good faith intent to become a member of our site(s)."
                                                                                                                                  ICQ: 61462417

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                                                                                                                                    • Hue G. Pness
                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                      • 1237
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Matt 26z


                                                                                                                                      What exactly was he in violation of though? What part of the terms can you say he violated? I think that's the issue.

                                                                                                                                      If you are saying you've got the right to terminate the agreement at any time for any reason, and keep all payments owed, guess again.

                                                                                                                                      That would never stand up in court, and in some cases it's probably illegal.
                                                                                                                                      I'd say looking at the screen cap above that the part of the page that says, "cancel the membership once you're finished jerking off that way everything is free.."

                                                                                                                                      breaks the hell out of this part of their tos.

                                                                                                                                      You may not...engage in any other marketing activity which is intended to create a signup which is not completely voluntary and made on a good faith intent to become a member of our site(s)."

                                                                                                                                      Just my though.
                                                                                                                                      GFY Voice of Reason

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                                                                                                                                        • Matt 26z
                                                                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                          • Apr 2002
                                                                                                                                          • 18481
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by homegrownmof
                                                                                                                                          From their terms:
                                                                                                                                          You may not require a signup to any of our 4free or other sites as a condition of accessing any site or receiving any other consideration or engage in any other marketing activity which is intended to create a signup which is not completely voluntary and made on a good faith intent to become a member of our site(s)
                                                                                                                                          Here's what I get from that...

                                                                                                                                          1) You may not tell a surfer that if he becomes a member of a Wegcash site, you'll give him access to another site too.

                                                                                                                                          2) You may not coax a surfer to become a member. It must be 100% voluntary on their part.

                                                                                                                                          There is nothing there having anything to do with what this guy did.

                                                                                                                                          For the record, I don't agree with exactly how he did what he did.... But you should be able to educate the surfer about the billing process in general.

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                                                                                                                                            • Brazzer
                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                              • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                              • 400
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Listen Guys , I even warned everyone not to believe a word they say.

                                                                                                                                              Tonda: I noticed that what I was doing was wrong and might have no economical value to you, and that is exactly why I STOPPED DOING IT 1 MONTH AGO !!

                                                                                                                                              These pages were not sending any sign ups for the past 3 months ...and you guys waited until the account was well loaded to terminate it ?

                                                                                                                                              The money you owe me has absolutely nothing to do with that SE page you just showed!!!!!!!

                                                                                                                                              Furthermore, I use over 30 sponsors, do you sincerely think Im gonna hire a lawyer to explain me the TOS of everyone ?

                                                                                                                                              Talk all you want and say whatever you want to say, The bottom line is ....YOU GUYS FUCKED ME AND IT WASNT A GOOD DECISION

                                                                                                                                              Peace
                                                                                                                                              Brazzer

                                                                                                                                              Brazzer
                                                                                                                                              icq: 255-069-099
                                                                                                                                              webmaster(at)juggcash(dot)com

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                                                                                                                                                • Brazzer
                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                  • 400
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  mistake....not 1 month but 3 months ago

                                                                                                                                                  Brazzer
                                                                                                                                                  icq: 255-069-099
                                                                                                                                                  webmaster(at)juggcash(dot)com

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                                                                                                                                                    • SykkBoy2
                                                                                                                                                      Jesus loves bacon
                                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                                      • 19969
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Matt 26z


                                                                                                                                                      What exactly was he in violation of though? What part of the terms can you say he violated? I think that's the issue.

                                                                                                                                                      If you are saying you've got the right to terminate the agreement at any time for any reason, and keep all payments owed, guess again.

                                                                                                                                                      That would never stand up in court, and in some cases it's probably illegal.
                                                                                                                                                      "You may not...engage in any other marketing activity which is intended to create a signup which is not completely voluntary and made on a good faith intent to become a member of our site(s)."


                                                                                                                                                      So, when do you complete law school again, I can't remember?
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                                                                                                                                                        • Why
                                                                                                                                                          MFBA
                                                                                                                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                          • 7230
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          well i was going to jump in here and tell wegcash to payup because cancellation without pay is jacked up..... but then....


                                                                                                                                                          ah fuck it! keep his fuckin cash, looks to be cheating.

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                                                                                                                                                            • GregP
                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                              • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                                              • 539
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Wegcash is great , topnotch company

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                                                                                                                                                                • FabianC
                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                                  • 1616
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Tonda, Gabe, & the entire Wegcash crew are good people ..

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                                                                                                                                                                    • FlyingIguana
                                                                                                                                                                      aspiring banker
                                                                                                                                                                      • Mar 2002
                                                                                                                                                                      • 10870
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Brazzer
                                                                                                                                                                      Listen Guys , I even warned everyone not to believe a word they say.

                                                                                                                                                                      Tonda: I noticed that what I was doing was wrong and might have no economical value to you, and that is exactly why I STOPPED DOING IT 1 MONTH AGO !!

                                                                                                                                                                      These pages were not sending any sign ups for the past 3 months ...and you guys waited until the account was well loaded to terminate it ?

                                                                                                                                                                      The money you owe me has absolutely nothing to do with that SE page you just showed!!!!!!!

                                                                                                                                                                      Furthermore, I use over 30 sponsors, do you sincerely think Im gonna hire a lawyer to explain me the TOS of everyone ?

                                                                                                                                                                      Talk all you want and say whatever you want to say, The bottom line is ....YOU GUYS FUCKED ME AND IT WASNT A GOOD DECISION

                                                                                                                                                                      Peace
                                                                                                                                                                      Brazzer
                                                                                                                                                                      maybe they noticed a below avg rebill rate and checked things out. then when they see the shit you were pulling they termed you. live and learn.

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                                                                                                                                                                        • jimmyf
                                                                                                                                                                          OU812
                                                                                                                                                                          • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                                                          • 12651
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Hue G. Pness


                                                                                                                                                                          HAHA another unjustly ripped off cheater that never did anything wrong. HAHA Schooled.
                                                                                                                                                                          what's really great he/she posted it here, now all you sponsors I'm sure will be taking a look at him/her.
                                                                                                                                                                          I swear to fucking god some people, if they had one would take it out and play with it, a brain, this is funny as all get out.
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                                                                                                                                                                            • cherrylula
                                                                                                                                                                              lol
                                                                                                                                                                              • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                                                              • 15969
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by homegrownmof

                                                                                                                                                                              Why would you ever want to educate a surfer how to cancel?
                                                                                                                                                                              Maybe so they don't learn how to chargeback?

                                                                                                                                                                              If you have something a surfer wants, he will pay for it.

                                                                                                                                                                              Hoping the surfer forgets to cancel and converts is part of the reason why visa is down our fucking throats.

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                                                                                                                                                                                • Feivel
                                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                  • May 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 1203
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Turboface
                                                                                                                                                                                  I love this board.
                                                                                                                                                                                  i too

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Matt 26z
                                                                                                                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Apr 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 18481
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by SykkBoy2
                                                                                                                                                                                      "You may not...engage in any other marketing activity which is intended to create a signup which is not completely voluntary and made on a good faith intent to become a member of our site(s)."


                                                                                                                                                                                      So, when do you complete law school again, I can't remember?
                                                                                                                                                                                      Again, he was not creating signup's that were not completely voluntary. That much is for sure. These people were becoming trial members on their own will. So he wasn't against that part of the TOS.

                                                                                                                                                                                      "and made on a good faith intent to become a member of our site(s)" is the key line here. This is what makes or breaks this issue.

                                                                                                                                                                                      The problem is that even trial members are considered members. So this part can be looked upon as basically saying "Surfers must be intending to become a member, full or trial."

                                                                                                                                                                                      Yes, paysite owners want trials to renew to full memberships. But the fact of the matter is that 3 day access (or whatever it is) is being provided with an option to cancel.

                                                                                                                                                                                      So how can signing up with the intent to cancel be considered a bad faith signup when the paysite clearly offers this as an option?

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • jimmyf
                                                                                                                                                                                          OU812
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 12651
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                                                                                                                          I think I might just sign up with wegcash and add them to my list of sponsors, they're looking good in this thread.



                                                                                                                                                                                          It must suck to get owned as bad as some of these cheaters, crying that they aren't getting paid even though they admit to pulling stupid shit. Unreal.
                                                                                                                                                                                          Hey I ran across one some time ago, this one is real good. The person was paying people to sign up to a per sign up program think it was $8.00 per.
                                                                                                                                                                                          Told'm how to cancel, they had to email him/her the sign up info.
                                                                                                                                                                                          The per sign up program was for $40.00, netted $ 32.00 each sign up. My 1st thought was fuck the shaving prick's, in the end I emailed them, never even got a thank you, so next time it is Fuck'm, and that goes for most sponsors any more.
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Brazzer
                                                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 400
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Listen I couldnt care less about getting paid....I have 27 other sponsors paying me.

                                                                                                                                                                                              You could call me cheater or whatever you want....Of course the company is gonna defend themselves someway or the other, But in the end if you Read my original post carefully you'll figure that there is obvious injustice.

                                                                                                                                                                                              I am posting this as a warning to everyone, you could choose to do whatever you want to do with it.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Tonda if your program is so great ...why did you hang up in my face ?...why did you pretend to be in a meeting for 1 week ?...if you dont want to pay fine....why are you still using and selling the double confirmed emails I sent you ?

                                                                                                                                                                                              FUCK WEGCASH AND WHOMEVER PROMOTES THEM, all the people worth doing business with will not join your program anymore .

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                                                                                                                                                                                              Brazzer

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Joesho
                                                                                                                                                                                                  want to get in shape
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 12329
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by evildick
                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm just wondering how you expect them to stay afloat if they pay you $33 per sign up for someone that is going to sign up for a free trial then cancel before they pay anything.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  I've been receiving cheques from them for a long, long time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Maybe you have a point about that not being in the TOS, but I would expect it to be almost common sense that you shouldn't be able to market their sites like that. (telling people to cancel)
                                                                                                                                                                                                  He did not TELL anyone to cancel!!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                  He/she... told them they COULD cancel ....

                                                                                                                                                                                                  The difference here as I see it:
                                                                                                                                                                                                  1) Maybey he was trying to use some good marketing strategy here.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  2) his only responsability is to get the person to the site right?
                                                                                                                                                                                                  3) the sponsor is responsable to have a good enough product to get the sale, and the retention! (is that his fault too)
                                                                                                                                                                                                  4) one could argue that he was telling the surfers their rights, in an attempt to let them know that they WILL NOT be decieved by his site, and that they must only pay for the services, or products they are happy with not get hooked for the extra!
                                                                                                                                                                                                  6) I realize that this is the norm... but I see a lot of warning signs that scamming will not be tolerated... maybey he was ahead of his time by doing this.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  7) Look Visa is so torked by the scam operations, and excessive charge backs that they have to deal with daily, costing them millions....(you think this had anything to do with them making it so easy for us now)?

                                                                                                                                                                                                  The problem with all of the new einstiens in this business, is they always want to find a way to cheat a little extra instead of good ole fashioned hard work, good products, and wow imagine this one...customer service..

                                                                                                                                                                                                  wich way do you think the industry is headed?
                                                                                                                                                                                                  wich way are you headed?
                                                                                                                                                                                                  wich way is your competition headed?
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • GTS Mark
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Vrume Mark
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 20912
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Brazzer
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Some of you guys might already have heard about the controversy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      I am a Big gallery maker, I have over 4 years of credibility in the business and get over 1 mil per day on my galleries.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Weren't you the same guy 3 weeks ago who was begging to get my movie submission list? Then got all pissy because I would'nt give it to you?

                                                                                                                                                                                                      DH

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