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06-24-2003, 10:36 AM

Seeing as how IBill has started to drop processing for sites with Adult content, has anyone been successful in getting their client's cc data from Ibill to process it elsewhere ??

If not, does anyone know if they will continue rebills for clients who used Visa to signup?

They refuse to answer my emails to premium...I figure before calling them and listening to their BS I'd ask here first.
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06-24-2003, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by KidCock
Seeing as how IBill has started to drop processing for sites with Adult content....

Did I miss something?

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06-24-2003, 10:40 AM

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06-24-2003, 10:41 AM

Nevermind. Just saw the Canadian location.

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06-24-2003, 10:42 AM

I would be very interested to hear if anyone has gotten ibill to release CC data (if they have a merchant account), and/or transfer CC data to ccbill or another processor.

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06-24-2003, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by Tipsy
Nevermind. Just saw the Canadian location.

Nothing to do with Canadians anymore. I'm in Canada, the site/company isn't ;p

They've started calling their large adult clients and informing them they can no longer process Visa for any adult content (we got the call Sunday night).

We process upwards of $300,000 USD / month with them and atleast 50% of that is probably Visa, so this is a huge problem if we cannot rebill our members.
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06-24-2003, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by KidCock

Nothing to do with Canadians anymore. I'm in Canada, the site/company isn't ;p

They've started calling their large adult clients and informing them they can no longer process Visa for any adult content (we got the call Sunday night).

We process upwards of $300,000 USD / month with them and atleast 50% of that is probably Visa, so this is a huge problem if we cannot rebill our members.

Seems I really did miss something. Coo.

I'm off for popcorn if this really is a general thing.

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06-24-2003, 10:53 AM

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06-24-2003, 11:00 AM

Anyone else get this phone call?

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06-24-2003, 11:03 AM

That is the very first I have heard of it...

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06-24-2003, 11:07 AM

its hard for me to believe Ibill would call anyone on any day of the week, much less a Sunday

I see nothing online anywhere about this.

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06-24-2003, 11:07 AM

Fuck, some spammer kid in another thread was able to get everyone's members' information from ibill, you should at least be able to get your own.
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06-24-2003, 11:11 AM

Hrm, what a shock....called IBill premium services and my rep was away from his desk ;p

Once/if I get called back, I'll update you folks on the happenings...I find it odd no one else here heard about this from Ibill yet? (or did everyone just have the good sense to drop them heh .....if only we didn't need them for our rebills grrrr)
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06-24-2003, 11:16 AM

300,000 a month holy shitniz..

that would make your yearly income. 3,600.000 a year..

Unless you are silvercash or adult.com I seriously doubt this!

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06-24-2003, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by - AFN -
300,000 a month holy shitniz..

that would make your yearly income. 3,600.000 a year..

Unless you are silvercash or adult.com I seriously doubt this!

Unfortunately, it's not my site I just work for the company =)

Remember that isn't PROFIT though......there is a big difference after expenses like paying affiliates are taken out ;p

It's not a pornsite though, just adult dating.
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06-24-2003, 11:25 AM

I just got off the phone with my rep at iBill. Appearently a of their clients were registered incorrectly with Visa. For those customers the rebills are on hold for 30 days so they can get their information into and approved by Visa. The problem doesn't affect us so I didn't pry too deeply.

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06-24-2003, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by - AFN -
300,000 a month holy shitniz..

that would make your yearly income. 3,600.000 a year..

Unless you are silvercash or adult.com I seriously doubt this!

There are a lot of companies making way more then 3.6M/year.

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06-24-2003, 11:31 AM

quiet, where are you, and can you confirm these happening? hate to see more problems for those using iBile..!

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06-24-2003, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by - AFN -
300,000 a month holy shitniz..

that would make your yearly income. 3,600.000 a year..

Unless you are silvercash or adult.com I seriously doubt this!

You have a very strange view of this industry.
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06-24-2003, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by KidCock
Seeing as how IBill has started to drop processing for sites with Adult content, has anyone been successful in getting their client's cc data from Ibill to process it elsewhere ??

If not, does anyone know if they will continue rebills for clients who used Visa to signup?

They refuse to answer my emails to premium...I figure before calling them and listening to their BS I'd ask here first.

huh, since when did iBill start to drop sites with adult content? Are you talking about specific categories? Because I know they didn't drop adult websites!

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06-24-2003, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by JDog

huh, since when did iBill start to drop sites with adult content? Are you talking about specific categories? Because I know they didn't drop adult websites!

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I'm not sure on all the specific details, as the call went to my boss and not me ;p...He told me however that they said they will begin no longer processing Visa for adult-content sites and that they were calling to inform us of this. He does have a habit of exaggerating things though, so that's why I figured I'd ask on here.

I'll know everything once my rep calls me back though I guess....
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06-24-2003, 11:46 AM

June 24, 2003

Dear Valued iBill Merchant,

In order to ensure that our clients are in legal compliance with the Federal Labeling and Record-Keeping Law, 18 U.S.C. 2257, and as specified in our contractual agreement, iBill will be requiring the disclosure of certain information on your adult web sites. This information is legally required for all adult content merchants and we request that you add the following information within the next 30 days to ensure that your web site is compliant with the law. Failure to post the 18 U.S.C. 2257 statement to your site in 30 days (including the Custodian of Records contact information), may cause an interruption in processing and payment for your Sponsored Merchant ID.

Please add the following to the main page of your site:

1.      The statement: "All models were at least 18 years old when they
were photographed."
2.      Add a link to: "18 U.S.C. 2257 Statement"
3.      This link should go to a page where the following information is

stated: "In compliance with the Federal Labeling and Record-Keeping Law (also known as 18 U.S.C. 2257), all models located within our domain were 18 years of age or older during the time of photography. All models' proof of age is held by the custodian of records, which is listed below, organized by producer.   All content and images are in full compliance with the requirements of 18 U.S.C. 2257 and associated regulations."

·       Custodian of Records
·       Name
·       Address
·       City,
·       State,
·       Zip
·       Country/Providence
·       Telephone number
·       E-mail address

We appreciate your compliance with this requirement.
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06-24-2003, 11:48 AM

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06-24-2003, 11:49 AM

lol, KidCock did you forget to mention that your site contains underage girls?

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06-24-2003, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by Rich
lol, KidCock did you forget to mention that your site contains underage girls?

uhmmm.....I'm sure they are legal in some country ;p

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06-24-2003, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by NetRodent
I just got off the phone with my rep at iBill. Appearently a of their clients were registered incorrectly with Visa. For those customers the rebills are on hold for 30 days so they can get their information into and approved by Visa. The problem doesn't affect us so I didn't pry too deeply.

Spoke with my rep now, same thing you wrote above. Our info is correct however so they said "Visa dropped the ball and we're trying to push them..it's not our fault or yours, it is Visa's".

As for the adult content, our rep confirmed that they will still process Adult with Visa, so I guess my boss was just wrong ;p
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06-24-2003, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by neuromancer
June 24, 2003

Dear Valued iBill Merchant,

In order to ensure that our clients are in legal compliance with the Federal Labeling and Record-Keeping Law, 18 U.S.C. 2257, and as specified in our contractual agreement, iBill will be requiring the disclosure of certain information on your adult web sites. This information is legally required for all adult content merchants and we request that you add the following information within the next 30 days to ensure that your web site is compliant with the law. Failure to post the 18 U.S.C. 2257 statement to your site in 30 days (including the Custodian of Records contact information), may cause an interruption in processing and payment for your Sponsored Merchant ID.

Please add the following to the main page of your site:

1.      The statement: "All models were at least 18 years old when they
were photographed."
2.      Add a link to: "18 U.S.C. 2257 Statement"
3.      This link should go to a page where the following information is

stated: "In compliance with the Federal Labeling and Record-Keeping Law (also known as 18 U.S.C. 2257), all models located within our domain were 18 years of age or older during the time of photography. All models' proof of age is held by the custodian of records, which is listed below, organized by producer.   All content and images are in full compliance with the requirements of 18 U.S.C. 2257 and associated regulations."

·       Custodian of Records
·       Name
·       Address
·       City,
·       State,
·       Zip
·       Country/Providence
·       Telephone number
·       E-mail address

We appreciate your compliance with this requirement.

If you have a personal site how can you work legally?
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06-24-2003, 12:34 PM

You can't legally transfer rebills from one 3rd party biller to another one.

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06-24-2003, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by KidCock

Spoke with my rep now, same thing you wrote above. Our info is correct however so they said "Visa dropped the ball and we're trying to push them..it's not our fault or yours, it is Visa's".

As for the adult content, our rep confirmed that they will still process Adult with Visa, so I guess my boss was just wrong ;p

How will you provide 2257 notice and custadian records to your personal site?
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06-24-2003, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by silent

How will you provide 2257 notice and custadian records to your personal site?

Personal site? What do you mean ?
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06-24-2003, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by KidCock

Personal site? What do you mean ?

I doubt anyone with a personal site sign any release forms and provide ID's...
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06-24-2003, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by KidCock

Personal site? What do you mean ?

I mean a pay personals and/or dating site. You said you have a dating site
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06-24-2003, 01:12 PM

Ahh saying 'personal' not 'personals' site confused me there ;p

Yes that's basically the issue I had, as they are not "models", I asked my rep he is finding out for me if the text needs to be modified in any way.
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06-24-2003, 01:14 PM

SinEmpire is right; it?s not possible to move your rebills. You cannot change the "billed as" on any purchase. Also ibill doesn?t keep as much of the ccard info as you think, It?s their processor that keeps the ccard #, they don't store the entire # anywhere in their system. Last I understood.
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06-24-2003, 02:45 PM

I just got this e-mail from ibill as well, not sure what they mean by it, are they expecting us to post where we got our photos from? i mean my site has 250,000 photos, some are leased from other sites, some are my own i bought alot at Ia 2000, are they wanting every single model name addres and shit, this is totally bunk.

this is my last straw with ibill if there asking for all my records.

Let me know whats a good cc company atm acpays.com kept advertising they didnt need a US presents, but now i see they also need it, is this just going to filter through the other CC processsors over time or is this just another way for ibill to get rid of us.

EDIT: I got ahold of normal ibill rep, They said Every adult webmaster on ibill is getting this e-mail...

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