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  • AdultNex
    Confirmed User
    • Feb 2003
    • 8985
    #1

    What is this dirty Google trick?

    This guy has tons of high keyword-targeted entries in Google. His main domain name is: http://www.netmagia.alpha.pl/

    For example, search on Google for the following terms and his domain can be found on either the 1st or 2nd page:

    black pussy
    asian pussy
    big tits
    foot fetish

    ... And other keywords.

    It seems as if he's using some kind of PHP cloak, anyone have any details on what he's really doing?
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    • Lil2rich4u2-SR
      Registered User
      • Jun 2003
      • 12
      #2
      Hi

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        • chshkt
          Confirmed User
          • Mar 2003
          • 1500
          #3
          he's just having Google PR6 which is the maximum for porn site
          and that makes him appears in the first pages of results for all keywords on his site
          it's like mainstream site to have PR9 or PR10

          what cloaking you are talking about?
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            • Dildozer
              Confirmed User
              • Jul 2002
              • 7519
              #4
              Dropped domain that might have escaped the filters
              Tons of Guestbook spam
              Spam link here

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                • Dveron
                  Confirmed User
                  • Dec 2002
                  • 2794
                  #5
                  looks like expired dmoz domain that been picked up, not really a smart way to use it these days.
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                    • AdultNex
                      Confirmed User
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 8985
                      #6
                      Originally posted by Dveron
                      looks like expired dmoz domain that been picked up, not really a smart way to use it these days.
                      It's not an expired domain name, it's a subdomain under his ISP.

                      Tons of Guestbook spam
                      Guestbook spam have been confirmed not to relate to PR at a significant impact.

                      what cloaking you are talking about?
                      At first impression, I thought he was cloaking due to his URL redirect (for example, on the keyword: asian pussy), the odd php extension for something that can be done easily with just HTML, and there's barely any keyword targeting in his content.

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                        • AdultNex
                          Confirmed User
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 8985
                          #7
                          Anybody that knows their way around SEs can help here?

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                            • mule
                              Confirmed User
                              • Jan 2002
                              • 6085
                              #8
                              It's called the Dirty Google Trick
                              Converting like a mofo

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                                • Dveron
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Dec 2002
                                  • 2794
                                  #9
                                  It's not an expired domain name, it's a subdomain under his ISP.
                                  looks like an expired domain pickup to me:
                                  http://directory.google.com/Top/World/Polska/Komputery/
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                                    • Carrie
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Apr 2002
                                      • 3162
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by AdultNex
                                      the odd php extension for something that can be done easily with just HTML
                                      Many folks use PHP instead of SSI to include files that might get changed regularly - like ads, ad banners, pictures, etc... in this case specifically I can point right out what he's using it for - the text links on the left-hand side of the page. Notice how they're the same in all of his pages? One change to one file and all of those pages are automatically updated. Saves a LOT of time and hard work.
                                      Having a .php extension isn't strange, it just means that there's probably something dynamic going on there (not necessarily cloaking).

                                      and there's barely any keyword targeting in his content
                                      Just because *you* don't see the keyword targeting there, don't say he doesn't have it. I see a TON of very specific keyword targeting and methods used on every one of those main pages (didn't bother to look at the individual galleries).

                                      Rather than automatically assume he's cloaking, how about studying his pages until you identify what it is he's doing to get those listings. You should be tearing those pages apart and learning from them, not bitching that he's "cheating" or is using "dirty google tricks" simply because his method works better than yours. There aren't any tricks in what he's doing, it's all well within Google's rules and he's just got very well-designed SEO pages. (They may not *look* like much visually, but all of the best methods of SEO are there.)

                                      I guess Sleazydream is right - when folks see someone succeeding at something, their first assumption is that the person got there by cheating. Did it ever occur to you that perhaps he got there by hard work and taking the time to learn things you haven't yet learned?

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                                        • Carrie
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Apr 2002
                                          • 3162
                                          #11
                                          DAMN that sounded pissy - I didn't mean it to, I apologize.

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                                            • Dildozer
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Jul 2002
                                              • 7519
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by AdultNex


                                              Guestbook spam have been confirmed not to relate to PR at a significant impact.
                                              Believe what you want
                                              Spam link here

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                                                • Mr Pheer
                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                  • 22082
                                                  #13

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                                                    • skazzel
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Jun 2002
                                                      • 270
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by Dildozer


                                                      Believe what you want
                                                      I thought everyone was doing referrer "spamming" now? ;)
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                                                        • Kolargol
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                          • 1319
                                                          #15
                                                          Dveron is right - this is an expired domain. netmagia used to be a directory with net tutorials, articles etc.

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                                                            • XM
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                              • 406
                                                              #16
                                                              absolutely no trick there except using non adult domain. Few not so optimally keyword targeted pages, he could be ranked higher if he chose better keywords and worked a bit on structure. However it's just question of time until some DMOZ editor notices him.
                                                              XM

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                                                                • funkmaster
                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                  • Sep 2001
                                                                  • 7938
                                                                  #17
                                                                  ... so many experts around here, yet nobody is able to do the same thing ... you fuckers crack me up !!!

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                                                                    • BlueDesignStudios
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Feb 2003
                                                                      • 9492
                                                                      #18
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                                                                        • sacX
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                                          • 2998
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by funkmaster
                                                                          ... so many experts around here, yet nobody is able to do the same thing ... you fuckers crack me up !!!
                                                                          that's very presumptuous
                                                                          Have Asian Language Traffic?

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                                                                            • WiredGuy
                                                                              Pounding Googlebot
                                                                              • Aug 2002
                                                                              • 34515
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by BlueDesignStudios
                                                                              Where's SEguru when you need him ?
                                                                              He's probably sleeping
                                                                              WG
                                                                              I play with Google.

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                                                                                • SandraB
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                                                  • 147
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Use Alltheweb.com and see that the site has 642 inbound links. Which probably give him the high pagerank at Google.

                                                                                  Look here http://www.alltheweb.com/urlinfo?q=h...agia.alpha.pl/

                                                                                  Further as Dveron and Kolargol state this used to be a directory with technical articles etc.

                                                                                  It is just a matter of time before hip pageranks drop.
                                                                                  He probably also gets a lot of good traffic but just as much irellevant traffic. A lot of people come to his site to read technical stuff. They might not stay for a long time.

                                                                                  Just my

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                                                                                    • dual
                                                                                      Registered User
                                                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                                                      • 3
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Carrie

                                                                                      Just because *you* don't see the keyword targeting there, don't say he doesn't have it. I see a TON of very specific keyword targeting and methods used on every one of those main pages (didn't bother to look at the individual galleries).

                                                                                      Rather than automatically assume he's cloaking, how about studying his pages until you identify what it is he's doing to get those listings. You should be tearing those pages apart and learning from them, not bitching that he's "cheating" or is using "dirty google tricks" simply because his method works better than yours. There aren't any tricks in what he's doing, it's all well within Google's rules and he's just got very well-designed SEO pages. (They may not *look* like much visually, but all of the best methods of SEO are there.)

                                                                                      I guess Sleazydream is right - when folks see someone succeeding at something, their first assumption is that the person got there by cheating. Did it ever occur to you that perhaps he got there by hard work and taking the time to learn things you haven't yet learned?
                                                                                      Very well said carrie, this is something that I wanted to say for a long time but I havent enough time

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                                                                                        • XM
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Jan 2001
                                                                                          • 406
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by funkmaster
                                                                                          ... so many experts around here, yet nobody is able to do the same thing ... you fuckers crack me up !!!
                                                                                          The only reason I spent 10 secs. looking at his site was he is number 4 on 1,8mil. keyword where I am No.1

                                                                                          XM

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                                                                                            • sacX
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Dec 2002
                                                                                              • 2998
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by XM


                                                                                              The only reason I spent 10 secs. looking at his site was he is number 4 on 1,8mil. keyword where I am No.1

                                                                                              XM
                                                                                              hairy pussy? :-) nice result
                                                                                              Have Asian Language Traffic?

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                                                                                                • Tipsy
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                                                  • 6989
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by AdultNex

                                                                                                  Guestbook spam have been confirmed not to relate to PR at a significant impact.
                                                                                                  Hmmm..confirmed by who exactly?
                                                                                                  Ignorance is never bliss.

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                                                                                                    • funkmaster
                                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                      • Sep 2001
                                                                                                      • 7938
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by Tipsy


                                                                                                      Hmmm..confirmed by who exactly?
                                                                                                      ... pretty much like the expired domain trick ain´t work anymore .... buachahahah !!

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                                                                                                        • netmagia
                                                                                                          Registered User
                                                                                                          • Jun 2003
                                                                                                          • 1
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          So XM, what advice would you give me to get my site on top?

                                                                                                          And for those who believe in some "dirty Google trick" thing - well, there's none. Just pure, old fashioned SEO

                                                                                                          Of course the PR of this site helps a little

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                                                                                                            • AdultNex
                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                              • Feb 2003
                                                                                                              • 8985
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by Tipsy


                                                                                                              Hmmm..confirmed by who exactly?
                                                                                                              I've read it around many times before on WW, SEF, etc. -- Sure, it's a forum, but I'm sure Google has already taken a stance against such obvious linkfarms/guestbooks.

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                                                                                                                • fnet
                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                  • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                  • 1721
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  doot da do doot doot.

                                                                                                                  bananas.
                                                                                                                  the sound of one hand googlewhacking

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                                                                                                                    • Dveron
                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                      • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                      • 2794
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by netmagia
                                                                                                                      So XM, what advice would you give me to get my site on top?

                                                                                                                      And for those who believe in some "dirty Google trick" thing - well, there's none. Just pure, old fashioned SEO

                                                                                                                      Of course the PR of this site helps a little
                                                                                                                      Heh, looking at your stats refferals eh

                                                                                                                      The PR you have now isn't going to last long if a Dmoz admin sees you've put an adult site up there or if somebody reports you (which may have already happened). Just my
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                                                                                                                        • raster
                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                          • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                          • 784
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Dveron
                                                                                                                          Heh, looking at your stats refferals eh

                                                                                                                          The PR you have now isn't going to last long if a Dmoz admin sees you've put an adult site up there or if somebody reports you (which may have already happened). Just my
                                                                                                                          Kind of interesting in that the above comments were written in 2003, yet http://www.netmagia.alpha.pl/ is still a very high PR.

                                                                                                                          Guess he didn't have a mainstream site and put adult content on it.

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                                                                                                                            • loverboy
                                                                                                                              When it rains, it pours
                                                                                                                              • May 2003
                                                                                                                              • 20609
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              The main secret of #1 positions in Google!

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                                                                                                                                • radical
                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                  • 2876
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Best bit of advice I ever got was when building pages for the search engines, take your primary keyword out and then re-read your text, then see if it's still relevant to the actual primary keyword your targetting!!


                                                                                                                                  There's a lot of factors in se listings i.e first paragraph of text, use of <h1>, <h2> all the way to <h6>, use of <b> tags, <title> tag, what you link to on your page, inbound coming links and what text is on the inbound coming links etc!! The lists goes on!!




                                                                                                                                  ICQ: 166108967

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                                                                                                                                    • SlickRick
                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                      • 2849
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by chshkt
                                                                                                                                      he's just having Google PR6 which is the maximum for porn site
                                                                                                                                      and that makes him appears in the first pages of results for all keywords on his site
                                                                                                                                      it's like mainstream site to have PR9 or PR10

                                                                                                                                      what cloaking you are talking about?

                                                                                                                                      Thats not true I have seen some porn sites that have a PR6 and higher, for example janes guide PR7.
                                                                                                                                      you're miss informend.

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                                                                                                                                        • polish_aristocrat
                                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                          • 40377
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          hm...i wonder why 'someone' didn't reply to this thread now
                                                                                                                                          I don't use ICQ anymore.

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                                                                                                                                            • polish_aristocrat
                                                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                              • 40377
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by netmagia
                                                                                                                                              So XM, what advice would you give me to get my site on top?
                                                                                                                                              1 year is gone and u did it
                                                                                                                                              I don't use ICQ anymore.

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                                                                                                                                                • nastyking
                                                                                                                                                  • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                                  • 2174
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  i say xl11

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                                                                                                                                                    • kush
                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                                      • 3382
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      edit
                                                                                                                                                      Last edited by kush; 06-18-2004, 06:54 PM.

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                                                                                                                                                        • kush
                                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                          • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                                          • 3382
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by netmagia
                                                                                                                                                          So XM, what advice would you give me to get my site on top?

                                                                                                                                                          And for those who believe in some "dirty Google trick" thing - well, there's none. Just pure, old fashioned SEO

                                                                                                                                                          Of course the PR of this site helps a little
                                                                                                                                                          Hey, what's up.

                                                                                                                                                          I have some hard link trades with you and while you do know what you're doing, just be careful.

                                                                                                                                                          Your SEO techniques are pretty aggressive and google is cracking down. Smashingthumbs.com used a lot of your same techniques and now they are banned from google.

                                                                                                                                                          Just be careful is all I have to say ;)

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                                                                                                                                                            • Rorschach
                                                                                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                              • 5579
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              i still see this domain banging around in the serps

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                                                                                                                                                                • reynold
                                                                                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                                  • 51271
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  PR6 and PR7 helps I guess

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                                                                                                                                                                    • Basic_man
                                                                                                                                                                      Programming King Pin
                                                                                                                                                                      • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                                                      • 27360
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Rorschach
                                                                                                                                                                      i still see this domain banging around in the serps
                                                                                                                                                                      How did you remembered this thread ? :D
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