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06-21-2003, 01:17 PM

I've seen some posts about Model Rates. Here's my experience with it,

In LA, there seem to be standard rates for Hardcore

B/G- $700
B/G w/anal- $1000
Multiple Guys w/anal- $1200+

For a small internet producer like myself, that seems like a lot. But in LA, the big Video Companies can pay that along with big Cash Programs who produce all-original websites like BangBus.

I've found outside LA (I'm in Miami) I can get B/G for an average of $400 for a 2 hour shoot.

I have actually got girls to do B/G w/anal for $300, but I promise them contacts for shoots that they don't know about for more $$, which I deliver.

Here's a sample of that girl:

http://www.hotamateurmpegs.com/tina.html

The trick is to find a beginner, and then show her the ropes by shooting her cheap, then giving her other work with your contacts.

I know a lot of producers who don't like to share "their" girls, but it makes no diffrence to me. These girls are gonna work with others eventually.

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06-21-2003, 01:33 PM

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This guy is already getting more annoying than Sobe.

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06-21-2003, 01:35 PM

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This guy is already getting more annoying than Sobe.

Don't be silly.
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06-21-2003, 01:36 PM

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Don't be silly.

Sobe started the same way.

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06-21-2003, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by Vittorio
I've seen some posts about Model Rates. Here's my experience with it,

In LA, there seem to be standard rates for Hardcore

B/G- $700
B/G w/anal- $1000
Multiple Guys w/anal- $1200+

For a small internet producer like myself, that seems like a lot. But in LA, the big Video Companies can pay that along with big Cash Programs who produce all-original websites like BangBus.

I've found outside LA (I'm in Miami) I can get B/G for an average of $400 for a 2 hour shoot.

I have actually got girls to do B/G w/anal for $300, but I promise them contacts for shoots that they don't know about for more $$, which I deliver.

Here's a sample of that girl:

http://www.hotamateurmpegs.com/tina.html

The trick is to find a beginner, and then show her the ropes by shooting her cheap, then giving her other work with your contacts.

I know a lot of producers who don't like to share "their" girls, but it makes no diffrence to me. These girls are gonna work with others eventually.

Just my 2 cents!

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06-21-2003, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by Vittorio
I've seen some posts about Model Rates. Here's my experience with it,

In LA, there seem to be standard rates for Hardcore

B/G- $700
B/G w/anal- $1000
Multiple Guys w/anal- $1200+

For a small internet producer like myself, that seems like a lot. But in LA, the big Video Companies can pay that along with big Cash Programs who produce all-original websites like BangBus.

I've found outside LA (I'm in Miami) I can get B/G for an average of $400 for a 2 hour shoot.

I have actually got girls to do B/G w/anal for $300, but I promise them contacts for shoots that they don't know about for more $$, which I deliver.

Here's a sample of that girl:

http://www.hotamateurmpegs.com/tina.html

The trick is to find a beginner, and then show her the ropes by shooting her cheap, then giving her other work with your contacts.

I know a lot of producers who don't like to share "their" girls, but it makes no diffrence to me. These girls are gonna work with others eventually.

Just my 2 cents!

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06-21-2003, 02:07 PM

I've looked into a bunch of different places for content, always being quoted 1000 to 2000.....

What are all the extra expenses if you can get chicks that cheap sometimes?
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06-21-2003, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by p00p
This guy is already getting more annoying than Sobe.
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06-21-2003, 02:19 PM

Pipe - the "extras" - there are none, goes into their pockets as profit.

We shoot the best girls out there, not when they've been used up, early, we pay their rate $700, 800 and 900 occassionally.
There's also a $75-100 agency fee on top of that.

We shoot for quality, we make less profit per shoot than most guys but my guys shoot 6 days a week and deliver the best product at the best price on the Net.

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06-21-2003, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by Mutt
Pipe - the "extras" - there are none, goes into their pockets as profit.

We shoot the best girls out there, not when they've been used up, early, we pay their rate $700, 800 and 900 occassionally.
There's also a $75-100 agency fee on top of that.

We shoot for quality, we make less profit per shoot than most guys but my guys shoot 6 days a week and deliver the best product at the best price on the Net.

So say I hire some company that says they will do a shoot for 1200 and they pay the model like 400, they are pocketting 800 for picking up the camera basically
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06-21-2003, 02:37 PM

yup! if it's POV for sure. If there's a stud in the scene he has to be paid. We pay $300. Others i hear pay $100 and there are some guys who find guys off the street and pay them nothing.

Only major expense is talent - but there is overhead as in any other business. Camera, lighting gear, computers, office etc and some people have studios, we do now. So more overhead.

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06-21-2003, 02:44 PM

If I move down near Miami, I'll open a studio for my wife to shoot some content. Total lack of hot models here in the midwest...especially for hardcore.
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06-21-2003, 02:48 PM

Rictor,

Good thing about Miami and South Beach is that girls are always passing through looking for $$. They are on long vacations, or just got into the country, or are just living here a short while. Half the girls on my site are long gone a month after I shot them.

Also,

Watch Dax's negative comments on all my Posts. He is a loyal SoBe supporter who sides with guys like him. Enough said.

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06-21-2003, 03:34 PM

If you try running an ad in the el clarin in miami, and can wade through the shitty women that call you may find a jewel.. And you can pay them next to nothing, because they are working in a sweat shop in Hialeah.

It takes some looking, and you may have to run the ad 2 or 3 times to find the girl, and the ad has to be in spanish, but you can make a great catch sometimes...

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06-21-2003, 04:58 PM

I've scaled back and am really picky about who I shoot... but:

I have found that if you find a girl who is interested (a mix of thinking it'd sound fun and needing money), you can get near anything you'd want or need for $150-$500. For that I've gotten hardcore video and/or a whole site's worth of content for stills if you shoot solo.

I really don't have much interest in shooting girls anymore who work for every So. Cal company. I'd rather have exclusives.

It usually requires more handholding, and I usually scale the pay based on how hot they are.

The So. Cal meat market is full-of "fake hot" girls, but finding the real attractive girls who have something unique and aren't anywhere else has been a far better use of my time...
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06-21-2003, 05:06 PM

Now what really interests me, is what the different markets have in there usual prices.

Any input on toronto?

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06-21-2003, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by Mutt
yup! if it's POV for sure. If there's a stud in the scene he has to be paid. We pay $300. Others i hear pay $100 and there are some guys who find guys off the street and pay them nothing.

Only major expense is talent - but there is overhead as in any other business. Camera, lighting gear, computers, office etc and some people have studios, we do now. So more overhead.

Yup, as soon as you move beyond POV the costs go up. 2 camera men, lighting, boom, all cost money. Changing up the scenery also costs money.
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06-21-2003, 05:51 PM

And you can pay them next to nothing, because they are working in a sweat shop in Hialeah.-LMAO

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06-21-2003, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by Pipecrew
I've looked into a bunch of different places for content, always being quoted 1000 to 2000.....

What are all the extra expenses if you can get chicks that cheap sometimes?

regardless of the content if my talent budget is $400, I would certainly say that $1000 is a good price for the content.
ESPECIALLY finished video. Video postproduction needs expensive gear ($2000 in hardware, another $1000 + in software plus assotred video stuff).

Hotel rooms cost money. Presumably I drove wherever, that costs money too. This is business. Why should I make less than the girl? Now, the question is how much content you get for your $1000 . Well, for a magazine layout I deliver 5 rolls of 36 exposure film (mind you that's processed, mounted, and sleeved in slideholder pages) and I get $1000 from which I pay all my non-talent expenses .

I notice that the standards of quality for web content are considerably lower than magazine work. IOW, lots of folks deliver cheap content of garbage quality. Well, you get what you pay for.

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06-21-2003, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by Rictor
If I move down near Miami, I'll open a studio for my wife to shoot some content. Total lack of hot models here in the midwest...especially for hardcore.

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06-21-2003, 10:29 PM

i really don't care how much the model makes or how much the photo guy makes - all I care about is how much money goes out of my pocketbook.

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06-21-2003, 10:34 PM

if she only cost you $300 how about selling the video for less than $135. Sorry but sobe stuff looks just like yours and I got 10 episodes for that. And the way your spamming the board there will be more websites with her than with sobe.

Talk about a big profit margin. : )

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06-21-2003, 10:34 PM

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06-21-2003, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by Vittorio
Rictor,

Good thing about Miami and South Beach is that girls are always passing through looking for $$. They are on long vacations, or just got into the country, or are just living here a short while. Half the girls on my site are long gone a month after I shot them.

Also,

Watch Dax's negative comments on all my Posts. He is a loyal SoBe supporter who sides with guys like him. Enough said.

You well know that I don't give a fuck about Sobe.. Besides he's fucking banned from here... The only people I would side with are the Hawgs and Ox.. cuz im good friends with both.... Sobe was cool with me all the time.. but that is it... And you well know the reason of why I hate your ass and why I want to kick your ass ( still ).

Cuz u are a lying sack of shit and a pussy! There are very few people I dislike... but man you are on the very top... top 3 for sure...

Where is the proof of all the shit you talked? You don't have any...

Now on to the topic... Miami is done.. is saturated with people who shoot girls.. and the pool of girls is getting smaller and smaller.. The girls here do the whole round.. And end up in all of Miami's sites.. the main problem is that there is only one true good source of girls which is an alternative newspaper... besides that.. nothing...

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06-22-2003, 12:14 AM

Webgarage...

If you think Sobe stuff looks like mine, I think you should get your eyes checked. Plus, the proof is in the entire video: the action, the camera work and angles, the editing, the lighting, and I've seen both, they are NOTHING like each other.

Also, I am not into ruining the content biz like Sobe. You get what you pay for. The newest videos I shoot are always more than the older ones. I have a 10 video special for $399, that's pretty cheap in my book. Other deals go as low as $59 per.

And if you think posting 3 threads is spamming, I can't even respond to that...

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06-22-2003, 05:20 AM

Oh well, might as well jump into the mix...seeing as this thread is a south Florida thing.

We've shot over 150 hardcore "reality episodes" for various clients in the last 8 months.

Female talent gets $500-600 and male talent $150-200.

Plenty of new and fresh talent, with over 1/2 of them working for our projects first and many times only with us.

As for costs of productions, I'm with Mutt, the better the results, the more it's going to cost. We have an expensive studio, top equipment, 5 video editors, which all brings the cost per shoot up, along with the quality of the production.

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06-22-2003, 05:42 AM

I got girls like this doing it for what ever I want to pay them and I'm not telling you.

What you are paying for, is a skill that took 25 years to aquire, girls that do not look like any normal girl next door, them doing it with a spirit that can not be bought.

But most important, you are paying the price for what it's worth. This set will walk out 20 times at $50, the set & video 20 at $100. Total $3,000 that is without the magazine set sales.

So why should I sell it exclusive for $1,200 or even $1,500? It's the law of supply and demand.

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06-22-2003, 05:47 AM

B/G- $700
B/G w/anal- $1000
Multiple Guys w/anal- $1200+ ??????

is this what the girl gets or is it for the guy (guy's) get as a group? obviously the guy wants paying as well how much do they get?

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06-22-2003, 08:24 AM

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regardless of the content if my talent budget is $400, I would certainly say that $1000 is a good price for the content.
ESPECIALLY finished video. Video postproduction needs expensive gear ($2000 in hardware, another $1000 + in software plus assotred video stuff).

Hotel rooms cost money. Presumably I drove wherever, that costs money too. This is business. Why should I make less than the girl? Now, the question is how much content you get for your $1000 . Well, for a magazine layout I deliver 5 rolls of 36 exposure film (mind you that's processed, mounted, and sleeved in slideholder pages) and I get $1000 from which I pay all my non-talent expenses .

I notice that the standards of quality for web content are considerably lower than magazine work. IOW, lots of folks deliver cheap content of garbage quality. Well, you get what you pay for.

Yea, you should definately make much more than the girl getting a cock stuffed in her asshole for a few bucks so she can buy the drugs she takes before she would even consider whoring herself out.

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06-22-2003, 01:14 PM

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That's what the girl gets alone. And that's the funniest fuckin' Sig I've seen! Hilarious!

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06-22-2003, 01:17 PM

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06-22-2003, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by AKFK
I've scaled back and am really picky about who I shoot... but:

I have found that if you find a girl who is interested (a mix of thinking it'd sound fun and needing money), you can get near anything you'd want or need for $150-$500. For that I've gotten hardcore video and/or a whole site's worth of content for stills if you shoot solo.

I really don't have much interest in shooting girls anymore who work for every So. Cal company. I'd rather have exclusives.

It usually requires more handholding, and I usually scale the pay based on how hot they are.

The So. Cal meat market is full-of "fake hot" girls, but finding the real attractive girls who have something unique and aren't anywhere else has been a far better use of my time...

right on point. that's the same exact conclusion i came to myself.
it's a difficult task but doable. i've been hitting beaches, clubs, movie theaters, coffee shops with flyers, and it has started to work just another tip..
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06-22-2003, 01:24 PM

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if she only cost you $300 how about selling the video for less than $135. Sorry but sobe stuff looks just like yours and I got 10 episodes for that. And the way your spamming the board there will be more websites with her than with sobe.

Talk about a big profit margin. : )

EVERYONE got 10 episodes for that.

that's the crux of the issue. When content is that cheap everyone has it and it's pretty much useless.

I purhcased it only as FILLER.

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06-22-2003, 01:24 PM

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right on point. that's the same exact conclusion i came to myself.
it's a difficult task but doable. i've been hitting beaches, clubs, movie theaters, coffee shops with flyers, and it has started to work just another tip..

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06-22-2003, 01:38 PM

EXACTLY EROS!

That's why I keep my prices reasonable, because it's NOT FILLER, and it's never going to become that.

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06-23-2003, 03:31 PM

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Yea, you should definately make much more than the girl getting a cock stuffed in her asshole for a few bucks so she can buy the drugs she takes before she would even consider whoring herself out.

No actually none of the girls I work with uses drugs in conjunction with a shoot. none of them are IV drug users or cocaine addicts, a couple smoke pot but not at the session .

Girls do it for a lot of reasons. I've had girls with graduate degrees in subjects they could get work in -- but not at the kind of money they make fucking and sucking.

I have lots of overhead, so does any respectable content maker.
Cameras, computers , lighting (check out how much a set of Dynalites with 3-4 heads costs! Now add in grids, barndoors, snoots, gel holders, etc.) . Lenses are not cheap and neither are bodies. When you get to video, man oh man the money flies out the door! Sure you can shoot crap web content with a point'n'shoot digital and low-end crap consumer camcorder but when you want to go to 3 chip pro camcorder with good dynamic range etc. that's big bucks again.

Studios aren't free either.

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