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#1 im not tryin to bash u either just tryin to get u goin to make good arguments just like u r to me.Originally posted by bdjuf
#1 Im not trying to bash you, Im just giving my arguments
#2 if gravity doesnt slow down light, why would it slow down other particles? as you mentionned previousely?
#2 lights mass is so small that it doesnt affect it enough, that is why u cant do it, what else on earth ways less than light i have no clue.Comment
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http://www.msnbc.com/news/925846.asp
Good article about black holes and other stuff
Thingies that dont emmit light...Comment
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now you're going to teach me about GFY?Originally posted by MetaMan
i am only having fun,
this is gfy dont take me to seriously on here.
I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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its not about light itselfOriginally posted by FiReC
how can light = a form of energy, alter time, which has nothing to do with engery.
its about the speed of light
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Where is Steven Hawking when you REALLY need him???
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no but i need good feet to process wine.Originally posted by 12clicks
now you're going to teach me about GFY?
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If you use other devices that can pick up the light particles, they will still need to move with less or more than light speed to pick up the particles. Just like a car can't crash into other cars that are moving around it in exactly the same direction at exactly the same speedOriginally posted by marsgur
ok, lets think about it in terms of taking the pictures with the digital (or whatever) camera
in #1 you will be taking a pictures of the same image that is traveling with you with the same speed. so it will be a still frame (frozen)
on the way back (#4) your camera will take pictures that are greater time apart since you are going against the light that is fed to you.
In #1, even though the camera or your eye for that matter will not pick up the light that is traveling with you (it will be black), only because these devices rely on light as the main source of image. What if you use other devices that can catch the light particles that are traveling with you in step #1) so you can get a clear image, it would be still frozen and in step #4 faster the normal.
Just picking on technicalities though, your main point is right
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Yeah, I see that. Personally, rhythm is my god. I travel through time, at my own pace, everyday. It's a pretty good deal. I'm outta here for tonight...but if you guys start working on a DeLorean, count me in.Originally posted by 12clicks
this is just a way of describing why we can't grasp his theory of the 4th denention called time. it does not prove time as a 4th demention.
not to be argumentative
"When a man sits with a pretty girl for an hour, it seems like a minute. But let him sit on a hot stove for a minute and it's longer than any hour. That's relativity." - EinsteinComment
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tapping out "hello" with his nose on the main board.Originally posted by barryf
Where is Steven Hawking when you REALLY need him???
BI'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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black holes are just too crazy.
some theories say that when you go in a blackhole, you get teleported to another blackhole in the universe (theory of star trek, wich I never watch btw)Comment
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see you scientists in the morning.I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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you too buddy,Originally posted by 12clicks
see you scientists in the morning.
Im gonna go sleep too
it was nice debating with ya
thanx to everyone else who participated, it was great to hear your insight!Comment
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Light is affected by gravity......
In Steven Hawkings Book Universe in a Nutshell they talk about how they have proof that light waves bend and contort around black holes, and massive objects in space.Comment
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i said that twice that it bends,Originally posted by nazgul
Light is affected by gravity......
In Steven Hawkings Book Universe in a Nutshell they talk about how they have proof that light waves bend and contort around black holes, and massive objects in space.
u could have at least refered to my postComment
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Is going through time the same as going through space?
I mean, if you think about it.. the Earth rotates at thousands of miles per hour and it also goes around the sun at an even faster rate...
so logically.. if you travel through time even so much as 10 minutes.... you'd either be somewhere in the middle of the planet or out in space... as the Earth will have moved, but you haven't.
Now, speeding up time, or slowing it down... then you you aren't time travelling, just changing it's rate.
But to jump from one point in time to another, you would theoretically be in the exact same place as when you left... and Earth... would be in a different place.Comment
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ok..now if i'm on a boat, there's no wind, so I decide to turn on my big fan, and place it so the wind from the fan hits the sails...would you be able to move? if the fan is ON the boat??
Well..I guess you wont hehe...
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Originally posted by 12clicks
I've always known Einstein was wrong about time travel but I never felt I had the time to properly debunk it.
So tonight, I'm eating Ben & Jerry's "coffee heathbar crunch" icecream and a simple answer to the problem presented itself
The theory is that if you could travel at faster than the speed of light, you could travel through time. Here is why its wrong:
Time has no relationship to people. Time passes regardless of what a person does.
if something happends in another galaxy and it takes a year to see it because the light is traveling from so far away, by the time we see it, its already a year old (standard stuff)
But if we travel at faster than the speed of light towards that galaxy, we will get closer to seeing the galaxy in realtime. we will NOT be turning back the clock.
The proof of this is our ability to travel faster than the speed of sound.
If a sound takes 10 seconds to reach our ear because the action creating it was so far away, we hear an action that happened 10 seconds ago. Not unlike seeing something from the other galaxy that happened already.
Now, if we travel at the speed of sound towards the action that made the sound, we DO hear the sound sooner but we do not travel back in time.
Swap speed of sound with speed of light and you see why Albert Einstein is wrong.
but how the fuck does this keep my beer colder and longer ??????????????????Comment
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Speed of lights ain't that fast.
It still would take you hundreds of years to reach some distant stars (most of the stars you in the sky have died many many years ago, but their light has reached us only now)Comment
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what we need is to fold space.Comment
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lol everyone is re saying wat i said 5 times over,Originally posted by DarkJedi
what we need is to fold space.
but its all good i dont read it all either.Comment
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speed has nothing to do with "time"...In fact, there is no such thing as "time"....Time is just something that we humans have created to measure age and how things progress...It just so happens that it's based on the complete revolution of the earth around the sun....
And as I said, there is no time.....the world is in a constant state and just is....humans and animals come and go due to cells dividing until they can't divide anymore...
So going real fast to bend "time" is improbable since there is no such thing as "time"...Now you might be able to go fast enough to enter another dimension or you might one day be able to change your particle composition to enter other dimensions and to transport yourself from one place to another, but that's all speed will probably be able to do for you.Comment
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so there is no such thing as time, BUT its possible to measure it? that makes sense doesnt it.. think before you post.Originally posted by BVF
speed has nothing to do with "time"...In fact, there is no such thing as "time"....Time is just something that we humans have created to measure age and how things progress...It just so happens that it's based on the complete revolution of the earth around the sun....
And as I said, there is no time.....the world is in a constant state and just is....humans and animals come and go due to cells dividing until they can't divide anymore...
So going real fast to bend "time" is improbable since there is no such thing as "time"...Now you might be able to go fast enough to enter another dimension or you might one day be able to change your particle composition to enter other dimensions and to transport yourself from one place to another, but that's all speed will probably be able to do for you.Comment
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LOL, I didn't feel like reading 4 pages first thing in the morningOriginally posted by MetaMan
lol everyone is re saying wat i said 5 times over,
but its all good i dont read it all either.
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no...you need to think and read before YOU post...I NEVER said that it was "possible" to measure time...I said that is an arbitrary figure that human beings have created to measure the progression of age..I said that people,animals, and certain things age....that has NOTHING to do with "time" because the world just is....Originally posted by detoxed
so there is no such thing as time, BUT its possible to measure it? that makes sense doesnt it.. think before you post.Comment
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you cant say time is not real, thats like saying 12clicks' ice cream wasnt real.Originally posted by BVF
no...you need to think and read before YOU post...I NEVER said that it was "possible" to measure time...I said that is an arbitrary figure that human beings have created to measure the progression of age..I said that people,animals, and certain things age....that has NOTHING to do with "time" because the world just is....Comment
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wrong, it´sOriginally posted by SilverTab
e=mc2
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No, time does exist... it's what keeps everything from happening all at once.
"time" is just the word that we've given it because otherwise... we'd just have to refer to it as.... it
I mean, there's air... but we called it air... so does that make it a man made thing?
Time exists and happens... the universe has been expanding for a long time... had we discovered that fact before the Earth around the sun thing.. we'd probably measure it differently... but it would still be the same thing, and happen at the same rate and still be there, whether we figured it out or not.Comment
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I would have to agree with 12clicks on this one.
Light travels at 300,000 kilometres per second.
If I was going the speed of light I would go 18,000,000 kilometers in one minute.
Now let's say I leave my house at 5:00. I am going to zig zag around the earth at the speed of light and get back to my house exactly 1 minute later. I tell my wife "I'll see you in a minute" and I take off. I go 18,000,000 miles coming back to my house in exactly 1 minute.
By mans measurement of time my wife is 1 minute older, and so am I. Who gives a fuck about anything in between.
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the universe expanding has nothing to do with "time"...that's just the universe expanding...that's a physical occurrence....Originally posted by MaskedMan
No, time does exist... it's what keeps everything from happening all at once.
"time" is just the word that we've given it because otherwise... we'd just have to refer to it as.... it
I mean, there's air... but we called it air... so does that make it a man made thing?
Time exists and happens... the universe has been expanding for a long time... had we discovered that fact before the Earth around the sun thing.. we'd probably measure it differently... but it would still be the same thing, and happen at the same rate and still be there, whether we figured it out or not.
We NEED air to breathe....
And how can everything happen at once without time?Comment
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Originally posted by stocktrader23
I would have to agree with 12clicks on this one.
Light travels at 300,000 kilometres per second.
If I was going the speed of light I would go 18,000,000 kilometers in one minute.
Now let's say I leave my house at 5:00. I am going to zig zag around the earth at the speed of light and get back to my house exactly 1 minute later. I tell my wife "I'll see you in a minute" and I take off. I go 18,000,000 miles coming back to my house in exactly 1 minute.
By mans measurement of time my wife is 1 minute older, and so am I. Who gives a fuck about anything in between.
BUT your wife is on the planet earth which is moving. its not going to be in the exact same place 1 minute later.. it may be closer or farther away from where you left it depending on which direction you went.Comment
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ahhhhh, more fuel for my fire. if the earth is traveling thru space at thousands of miles an hour and another planet is traveling at tens of thousands of miles an hour but both planets were formed on the same day, are they the same age or is the faster planet younger?Originally posted by MaskedMan
I mean, if you think about it.. the Earth rotates at thousands of miles per hour and it also goes around the sun at an even faster rate...
You see, I'm right and Einstein is wrong.
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12 clciks,
are you having problems with Einstein just because he was Jewish?????
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If you figure out the whole time travel thing, let me know I want to go back and start playboy before Heffner
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Hey, some of my best friends are jews.Originally posted by Serge_Oprano
12 clciks,
are you having problems with Einstein just because he was Jewish?????
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OK and I may sound stupid for saying this but I am thinking out loud.
If you say it takes 8 minutes for light to reach the earth, and in fact you can travel at the speed of light. Would you not be traveling back in time 8 minutes when you reached the sun?Latest MMA news. http://www.mmawrapup.comComment
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If you say it takes 8 minutes for me to drive to work, and in fact you can make the trip in 7 minutes. Would you not be traveling back in time 1 minute when you reached the office?Originally posted by AcidMax
OK and I may sound stupid for saying this but I am thinking out loud.
If you say it takes 8 minutes for light to reach the earth, and in fact you can travel at the speed of light. Would you not be traveling back in time 8 minutes when you reached the sun?
No, you would just be seeing light in realtime as opposed to an 8 minute delay. Time is not affected by when you SEE something.I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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sadly, yes.Originally posted by FATPad
Does this mean that guy who travelled back in time and made a killing in the stock market was a hoax??I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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Your theory was working really well until you said that.Originally posted by 12clicks
Swap speed of sound with speed of light and you see why Albert Einstein is wrong.
Sound and light are two TOTALLY different things.
Sound is compression waves in the air. If something happened 45 miles away, someone popped a baloon, you would never hear it because it would lose energy as it travels through the atmosphere.
Sound can't travel through space either, it is a vacuum.
But light is NOT that at all. The nature of light has been debated forever in history, but if you are seriously interested, you should check out:
Wave/Particle Duality
Nature of Light
And if you fire over to your local university, check out any books on time dialation. Great stuff. Who knows if we're right though, as far as man was concerned, we used to be the center of the universe.Penis Pill Sponsor List and Reviews:
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You make this statement but you do nothing to prove that my theory is wrong.Originally posted by Dusen
Your theory was working really well until you said that.
Sound and light are two TOTALLY different things.
Sound is compression waves in the air. If something happened 45 miles away, someone popped a baloon, you would never hear it because it would lose energy as it travels through the atmosphere.
Sound can't travel through space either, it is a vacuum.
But light is NOT that at all. The nature of light has been debated forever in history, but if you are seriously interested, you should check out:
If a bullet is fired at 12:00 and you hear it at 12:03 it took sound 3 seconds to travel the distance between you and the gun. If you traveled at the speed of sound towards the gun at 12:00 you HEAR the bullet sooner but it is still fired at 12:00 if you start your journey at 12:01 you will still never get to the gun before it is fired.
If a bullet is fired at 12:00 and you see the flash at 12:03 the light took 3 seconds to travel between you and the gun. If you traveled at the speed of light towards the gun at 12:00 you see the flash sooner but it is still fired at 12:00 if you start your journey at 12:01 you will still never get to the gun before it is fired. The gun is fired at 12:00 no matter how fast you are traveling or how soon you SEE the flash.I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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5 minutes <i>RELATIVE</i> to yourselfOriginally posted by 12clicks
you have zero proof of this.
The amount of time you are gone from earth is the full amount of time youve been gone no matter how FAR you go.
get it?
If you go 20 billion miles in 5 minutes because of speed, you are still only gone for 5 minutes.t-minus whenever it feels rightComment
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I didn't read this whole thread but Einstein didn't say that. According to the equations in Einstein's paper on the Special Theory of Relativity, if an object is travelling faster than the speed of light, time dilation will be imaginary (square root of a negative number). Einstein took that to be a non-solution (sometimes happens when math and physics meet), not as travel into the past.
In essence, one can't accelerate through the speed of light so physically it is meaningless (at least in the framework of Relativity).
There is a proposed particle (tachyon) which would be able to travel faster than the speed of light but they can never travel slower than the speed of light. No one has found one.
According to Einstein's Special Relativity, you can't go through the speed of light barrier. That is the essence of the equations.
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uh, no.Originally posted by Maz
5 minutes <i>RELATIVE</i> to yourself
relative to time.I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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And 12 Clicks .. why are you fucking around like this? Good ice cream, huh?
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