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An OPEN LETTER to Paul Markham/Charly from J$TYLE$ ...

06-10-2003, 02:10 AM

Originally posted by charly
Thank you to the supporter who sent this.

Charly.

You really are out of control!

You keep posting negative shit about me for NO REASON other than to DAMAGE MY BUSINESS! There was never any other intention on your part. From the very first post you made on my original thread, right up to THIS POST ABOVE!

I have NEVER said anything negative about you or about your business BEFORE you attacked me. Even when I did start talking shit back to you - I NEVER did or said anything to DAMAGE YOUR BUSINESS or make people think you are an "unsavory character" or that you are "someone to steer clear of"!

UNPROVOKED, you post THIS CRAP on someone elses thread to FUCK WITH MY BUSINESS AGAIN?!?!

You're acting like a crazy stalker and it's gotten out of hand, man!

Realize a few things about the DIFFERENCES in our posts.

You ATTACK ME and make posts that try to dissuade people from doing business with me. Telling people to "Make sure you get the 2257 documents, you might be chasing a shadow next year." like I'm some back-alley crack dealer selling soap.

Almost every post I've made has been in defense of something you said.

I attack YOU back, but never once did I stoop to your level and TELL PEOPLE that they shouldn't do business with you JUST BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE A FUCKIN' MORON!

The "Charly is NOT an idiot ... he's bitter" post wasn't trying to damage your business!

The banner I had made giving you and ArronM the finger wasn't trying to damage your business!

Telling you to "get your wife to change your diapers because you'd shit your pants when you figured how much money we raised" wasn't trying to damage your business!

You're approach to try to scare webmasters away from doing business with me is REALLY DIRTY, LOW, and UNDERHANDED!

BTW - I think the graphic ITSELF is hilarious! It really IS funny! I had it made ... I KNOW!

Regardless though,

YOUR BLATANT INTENT IN POSTIING THIS ... IS TO HARM MY BUSINESS!

... and THAT ain't funny, Charly!

Think about it, dude ... I don't give a FLYING FUCK if you like me OR if you think I have a sound business model!

... you don't have to!

We can agree to disagree!

... but you're "smear campaign" that questions whether or not people should do business with me has to stop NOW!

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06-10-2003, 02:13 AM

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06-10-2003, 02:13 AM

I'm not sure you need the 2257 documentation as you are not the producer, Amacontent is the producer and does hold the records, so as long as you list someone's name and address (not a p/o box) for someone at Amacontent to be contacted you'd be fine.

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06-10-2003, 02:14 AM

spam ?
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06-10-2003, 02:15 AM

great...more 'marketing' drivel...none of you fucks would survive any real marketing courses

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06-10-2003, 02:15 AM

Here we go agian

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06-10-2003, 02:17 AM

Getting sick of fetching the popcorn
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06-10-2003, 02:22 AM

J$tyle$ and his content are top notch

Charly and Paul Markham you guys are barking up a wrong tree
i have no doubt that Jonathan's content is legit and he has his shit in order.

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06-10-2003, 02:22 AM

Originally posted by Timi
Getting sick of fetching the popcorn

Due to the enormous amount of Drama threads over the past
few days we regrettedly have to inform you that the POPCORN
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06-10-2003, 02:28 AM

break out the SMORESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

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06-10-2003, 02:34 AM

J$

dont sweat the small stuff man. There is nothing he can do to damage your rep or biz.

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06-10-2003, 02:38 AM

funny how the marketer becomes the marketee...oh the irony

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06-10-2003, 02:48 AM

Originally posted by toodamnfli
funny how the marketer becomes the marketee...oh the irony

If that were the case, then it WOULD me ironic.

That's NOT the case ...

That graphic basically infers "NOT TO DO BUSINESS WITH THIS GUY"

If he would have posted something slick and smart that used my graphic to promote HIS business ... I would have just laughed it off.

... the same way AaronM laughed off the banner I had made that "gave them the finger"

My intention with that banner was "Fuck you guys" I'm going to BLOWOUT content no matter what YOU two think ... NOT ... don't trust these guys OR you shouldn't do business with them!

Do you see the difference?

I NEVER TRIED to HURT THEIR BUSSINESSES!
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06-10-2003, 02:50 AM

agreed j-Styles but to some people who are touchy they might have been offended by the banner especially when theya re GFY constants. Think of it this way,how can the banner help their buisness with you giving them the finger and your content being less expensive than theirs?

given that your content may be different than the styles that the others shoot but well you were plain asking for it and frankly should take all criticism at had..hell 'its all marketing to me'

why even mention the other content providers in the first place?

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06-10-2003, 02:52 AM

You don't see the joke?

Use my nickname on your banner that has been up for how long and I must not do anything?

You're an even bigger joke than I thought. You did say in a previous thread you would drop it, while my nickname was flashing in your banner.

This is GFY, you're a marketing ace who is a nobody unless he's giving it away, so

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06-10-2003, 02:54 AM

Originally posted by toodamnfli
agreed j-Styles but to some people who are touchy they might have been offended by the banner especially when theya re GFY constants. Think of it this way,how can the banner help their buisness with you giving them the finger and your content being less expensive than theirs?

The banner was funny and very inoffensive by GFY standards. As for pricing, I thought it was a free market?
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06-10-2003, 02:55 AM

Originally posted by toodamnfli
agreed j-Styles but to some people who are touchy they might have been offended by the banner especially when theya re GFY constants. Think of it this way,how can the banner help their buisness with you giving them the finger and your content being less expensive than theirs?

Agreed, allthough I think the banner is funny and in no way attacking their biz., I can imagine Charly not liking it. If he has a solid biz he shouldn't worry about it, this way he is only making a fool out of himself.
Don't get me wrong, I am not attacking Charly. I am only saying what I think about this one

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06-10-2003, 02:56 AM

Originally posted by Groove

The banner was funny and very inoffensive by GFY standards. As for pricing, I thought it was a free market?

well seeing how the content buisness is dog eat dog I say scrape the barrel! I will be offering .75 cent sets with 100 pics soon!

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06-10-2003, 02:59 AM

let me note that I am in no way telling anyone how they should market their product...all im saying is when you breed controversy relish in it,wallow in it,and embrace it..because it truly is the monster you created

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06-10-2003, 02:59 AM

Please put me on your mailing list toodamnfli - ps will there be any discounts for large orders?
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06-10-2003, 03:00 AM

Originally posted by toodamnfli
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06-10-2003, 03:01 AM

Originally posted by Timi
Please put me on your mailing list toodamnfli - ps will there be any discounts for large orders?

of course...and in the TOS you cannot complain about me emailing you when ANY new set comes in!

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06-10-2003, 03:02 AM

Originally posted by toodamnfli
agreed j-Styles but to some people who are touchy they might have been offended by the banner especially when theya re GFY constants. Think of it this way,how can the banner help their buisness with you giving them the finger and your content being less expensive than theirs?

At the very least you agree, so you see my point clearly.

There is a HUGE difference between me flipping Charly the bird, and HIM defaming my character as an honest business person.

given that your content may be different than the styles that the others shoot but well you were plain asking for it and frankly should take all criticism at had..hell 'its all marketing to me'

I'll take critisism ALL DAY!

That's fair!

But again ... veiled accusations that "i might not be around next year" or alluding in any way, shape, or form that people shouldn'tdo business with me is CROSSING THE LINE!

why even mention the other content providers in the first place?

I agree!

As a Content provider, why did Charly post negative shit about me without regard on ALL my threads to begin with?
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06-10-2003, 03:12 AM

Originally posted by charly
You don't see the joke?

No, Paul - I don't see the joke.

I've made it perfectly clear. You CROSSED THE LINE, dude!

How do you rationalize that me saying FUCK YOU is equal to YOU inferring "don't do business with Jonathan Silverstein"?

Use my nickname on your banner that has been up for how long and I must not do anything?

I never said not to do anything. You've been talking shit since WAY BEFORE I EVER PUT THAT BANNER UP!

The reason I put that banner up in the FIRST PLACE was because YOU TALKED SHIT FOR NO REASON!

You're an even bigger joke than I thought. You did say in a previous thread you would drop it, while my nickname was flashing in your banner.

I did, and you continued!!!!

This is GFY, you're a marketing ace who is a nobody unless he's giving it away, so

GFY is a only a percetage of any promotion I've do.

... and if you want this to continue ... fine with me!

The truth is, that you're ego won't allow you to see what you're doing really is wrong!
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06-10-2003, 03:16 AM

Originally posted by J$tyle$

As a Content provider, why did Charly post negative shit about me without regard on ALL my threads to begin with?

Simple one to answer really. I'm a content provider who has respect for other content providers who produce a fair product. In fact I've given a lot of advice about photography to many.

You are a marketing ace who can do little but discount and spam. you don't produce a single image you just persuade others to let you do what they should do and take a cut.

Does excessive discounting hurt a product? Go ask Amacontent. He should have realised that in the beginning.

So your banner is just a little bit of fun in your eyes, so is mine in my eyes. You don't like mine? Take yours down and I will respond.

Until then, live with it.

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06-10-2003, 03:23 AM

Originally posted by Nysus
I'm not sure you need the 2257 documentation as you are not the producer, Amacontent is the producer and does hold the records, so as long as you list someone's name and address (not a p/o box) for someone at Amacontent to be contacted you'd be fine.

Cheers,
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Yes Nysus that's the law. but ask a lawyer what he would advise.

You are assuming the guy will be in business next year, will be alive next year, will be in the country next year, will not have a fire or be burgled, will still be alive, had them in the first place, that they actually correct.

There are more reasons, but that's enough for now. I always advise "Get the documents", you can list the suplier as the holder of the records. But you should have them as a back up.

You see how this all started was me handing out good sound advise but some sensitve types take offense so easily.

Hang on I will just get Eva to change my diaper cos I'm feeling to bitter.

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06-10-2003, 03:28 AM

I don't like charly too much but this time HE IS RIGHT!
j$tyle$ - you're just a wannabe player who has the nerve to make fun of people with much more experience in the adult content than you, but can't support when other people make fun of you.

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06-10-2003, 03:31 AM

Originally posted by charly
Simple one to answer really. I'm a content provider who has respect for other content providers who produce a fair product. In fact I've given a lot of advice about photography to many.

This is your response to my statement "As a Content provider, why did Charly post negative shit about me without regard on ALL my threads to begin with?"

So you defame my name and try to get webmasters NOT TO DO BUSINESS WITH ME because you don't agree with the decision of OTHER CONTENT PROVIDERS that SOUGHT ME OUT (READ: came to ME to SELL THEIR content)

That's quite a bold stance on your part, Paul!

... and YOU DON'T see why that is WRONG?

Why is it YOUR business to decide what OTHER CONTENT PROVIDERS can do?

Does excessive discounting hurt a product? Go ask Amacontent. He should have realised that in the beginning.

I still disagree, and have seen otherwise SPECIFICALLY with all the NEW business Cloud9Content is doing.

So your banner is just a little bit of fun in your eyes, so is mine in my eyes. You don't like mine? Take yours down and I will respond.

No, Paul - the banner was EXPLICITLY meant to say FUCK YOU as well as, MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS and stay out of mine!

LOL

This ALL started because YOU stuck your nose in where it didn't belong ... don't you get it?

Why can't you admit that it was none of your business in the first place?

Until then, live with it.

We both will!
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06-10-2003, 03:41 AM

Originally posted by flashfreak
I don't like charly too much but this time HE IS RIGHT!
j$tyle$ - you're just a wannabe player who has the nerve to make fun of people with much more experience in the adult content than you, but can't support when other people make fun of you.

If Paul/Charly was merely poking fun at me I would laugh. I have a sense of humor - otherwise, I would NEVER have had the animated character of myself made in the first place.

That's NOT the case here, though.

.. and it's ok that you think I'm a "wannabe player" ... you don't know me, and I have no problem with that
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06-10-2003, 03:43 AM

Stop quoting only parts of my statements.

You are a nobody who jumped onto this board discounting good producers content to nothing. You produce NOTHING you know NOTHING or ANYBODY.

WHEN THE CONTENT YOU ARE GIVING AWAY IS DEAD YOU WILL BE GONE LEAVING THOSE BEHIND YOU WITH NOTHING. YOU WILL HAVE EARNT YOUR COMMISSION.

This is my genuine belief and if I was as unscupulous as you I would stay quiet and let you take out the competition for me. But I believe I'm right.

I have never been one for high prices only, look at my signature. Where you can get sets like this for $5 to $10

You did say it was an "Open Letter"

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06-10-2003, 03:46 AM

Originally posted by J$tyle$

If Paul/Charly was merely poking fun at me I would laugh. I have a sense of humor - otherwise, I would NEVER have had the animated character of myself made in the first place.

That's NOT the case here, though.

.. and it's ok that you think I'm a "wannabe player" ... you don't know me, and I have no problem with that

Jon's definition of funny.

When he does it.

Definition of not funny.

When it explodes in his face.

Do you really think I'm hurting your business or just usine this as an excuse to tout your wares?

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06-10-2003, 03:53 AM

Originally posted by charly
Stop quoting only parts of my statements.

You are a nobody who jumped onto this board discounting good producers content to nothing. You produce NOTHING you know NOTHING or ANYBODY.

WHEN THE CONTENT YOU ARE GIVING AWAY IS DEAD YOU WILL BE GONE LEAVING THOSE BEHIND YOU WITH NOTHING. YOU WILL HAVE EARNT YOUR COMMISSION.

This is my genuine belief and if I was as unscupulous as you I would stay quiet and let you take out the competition for me. But I believe I'm right.

I have never been one for high prices only, look at my signature.

There you go AGAIN!

YOU say I'm unscrupulous. Defaming my name and inferring that I'm shady. Why Paul? Have you ever dealt with me in business where I did somethig wrong?

I keep saying things that make VALID points - you comeback with a "holier than thou" attitude RANTING and RAVING that I'm unscrupulous!

You keep clouding the issue.

I NEVER SAID OR DID ANYTHING TO HURT YOUR BUSINESS OR GIVE CAUSE TO WEBMASTERS NOT TO DO BUSINESS WITH YOU!

WHY DO YOU DO THAT TO ME?
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06-10-2003, 03:53 AM

Charly it may be your belief he is going to do this but you have no proof or no past experiences with this guy to back him up.

So posting negative things about a competitor makes you look bad and him look bad.

Why don't you both shut up, Jstyle as someone once told me, to be successful u do not have to be a player on the boards.

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06-10-2003, 03:58 AM

Originally posted by charly

Do you really think I'm hurting your business or just usine this as an excuse to tout your wares? [/B]

Interesting question, Paul.

Do you see any taglines promoting anything?

You're OBVIOUSLY only concerned with promoting yours.

That's how this whole thing started. You posted NEGATIVE SHIT on my first thread when you saw all the traffic it got JUST TO GET TRAFFIC TO YOUR SITE and defame me!

Seems to me, that you're more unscrupulous than you care to admit
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06-10-2003, 04:05 AM

Originally posted by Darren
Charly it may be your belief he is going to do this but you have no proof or no past experiences with this guy to back him up.

So posting negative things about a competitor makes you look bad and him look bad.

Why don't you both shut up, Jstyle as someone once told me, to be successful u do not have to be a player on the boards.

Go ask Joe at Amacontent if it hurts a business. Time is the only judge. If the guys he's promoting now are still selling the same content in 12 months from now and have got new content to replace it then I was srong.

But I will leave the babber up as long as he leaves the one with my nickname up. That's fair. But this is me last post here, I have stated what I think of him and that it.

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06-10-2003, 04:07 AM

Originally posted by Darren
Charly it may be your belief he is going to do this but you have no proof or no past experiences with this guy to back him up.

So posting negative things about a competitor makes you look bad and him look bad.

Why don't you both shut up, Jstyle as someone once told me, to be successful u do not have to be a player on the boards.

Good points ... all of them!

I didn't post here trying to be a "player on the boards" though.

It WAS and IS for conducting business!

Paul decided to hitch a ride, and capitilze on that fact!

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06-10-2003, 04:16 AM

Originally posted by charly

But I will leave the babber up as long as he leaves the one with my nickname up. That's fair. But this is me last post here, I have stated what I think of him and that it.

That's cool, Paul

I'm sure after reading this thread. Anyone that is half rational or has any common sense will see how you avoided all the points I made and see that your sole intent is to promote your own site, smear my name, and defame my busines!

If that's the reputation you want to have then so be it!

This is going to be a long summer!

Looking forward to Internext!

LOL

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06-10-2003, 04:21 AM

Originally posted by charly

I have never been one for high prices only, look at my signature. Where you can get sets like this for $5 to $10

yessssss! charly's content rocks !

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06-10-2003, 04:50 AM

Originally posted by charly
You are a nobody who jumped onto this board discounting good producers content to nothing. You produce NOTHING you know NOTHING or ANYBODY.

Corrections:

I'm just a guy that was somehow CONTRACTED by good producers to help run their "special promotions".

I produce results, sales, and $$$!

I know some things about people and relationships!

I also know A LOT of webmasters that spent between $2100 and $2750 to purchase content!

There you go again, Paul - GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT and stop posting one sided rhetoric and propaganda

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06-10-2003, 05:20 AM

You two need to get a room and make sweet love and get it out of your system.

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06-10-2003, 05:27 AM

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You two need to get a room and make sweet love and get it out of your system.

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06-10-2003, 07:27 AM

Hmm...I don't see the picture as making J$tyle out to be untrustworthy...

I just see the pic making fun...Just like the banner...

From what I've seen you both have insulted each other evenly...

But hey what do I know...

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06-10-2003, 07:27 AM

Originally posted by charly
Simple one to answer really. I'm a content provider who has respect for other content providers who produce a fair product. In fact I've given a lot of advice about photography to many.

You are a marketing ace who can do little but discount and spam. you don't produce a single image you just persuade others to let you do what they should do and take a cut.

Does excessive discounting hurt a product? Go ask Amacontent. He should have realised that in the beginning.

So your banner is just a little bit of fun in your eyes, so is mine in my eyes. You don't like mine? Take yours down and I will respond.

Until then, live with it.

How many times do I have to tell you that I contacted Jonathan? He did not even want to market my content at first, but after thinking about it for a while he agreed. Stop making him out to be a wolf in sheeps clothing. Your facts are wrong.

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#44

06-10-2003, 07:34 AM

Originally posted by charly
Yes Nysus that's the law. but ask a lawyer what he would advise.

You are assuming the guy will be in business next year, will be alive next year, will be in the country next year, will not have a fire or be burgled, will still be alive, had them in the first place, that they actually correct.

There are more reasons, but that's enough for now. I always advise "Get the documents", you can list the suplier as the holder of the records. But you should have them as a back up.

You see how this all started was me handing out good sound advise but some sensitve types take offense so easily.

Hang on I will just get Eva to change my diaper cos I'm feeling to bitter.

It doesn't matter if Jon or One Lick will be around next year. I provide all 2257 info digitally on each CD. If you have all of the 2257 docs then where is the risk? Stop making inferences about things which you don't have the facts for.

I actually agree with your second point. Anyone who is using content that they don't have hardcopies of the 2257 docs for is playing with fire. Simply posting custodian of records info is not good enough.

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06-10-2003, 07:45 AM

Originally posted by charly

You're an even bigger joke than I thought.

This is coming from someone who denied access to us when we attempted to buy your entire line of "Bargin Basement" content.

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06-10-2003, 08:47 AM

J$tyle$,

Hit me up in my e-mail, I'd like to buy both packages from you.

How can you beat those deals?

Anyway, I hear what you're saying, it's just the finger on a board called GFY.

The GF stands for Go Figure...

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06-10-2003, 08:51 AM

Originally posted by slavdogg
JHis contentblowout.com is the best deal on content i've seen since 97 when zMasters was selling content in bulk

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06-10-2003, 09:04 AM

Jonathon is a stand up guy and like many people who have known him as long as I have have his back and trust him as a friend and business associate. I love the banner and the East Coast sense of humor, MF!

This piss match is getting ridiculous and is just making Paul look bad. Who wants to do biz with a whiner? You both have just lovely content and I've personally quality controlled both of em and oooo ahhhh. Good stuff all around.

Paul get your head out of your viewfinder and let it go.

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06-10-2003, 09:12 AM

Someone should start a GFY newsletter summarizing each of these drama threads in a few sentences. Sort of like "Soap Opera Digest."

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06-10-2003, 09:15 AM

My vote is that this is all a nice lil promotional game amoungst the content providers...

in order to keep people seeing/reading/hearing about their end of the biz...

nice work guys! thanks for the extra daily entertainment...

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