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  • Centurion
    Confirmed User
    • Dec 2002
    • 6033
    #101
    Colin Powell addess the United Nations before the war began:
    "We have evidence the Saddam Hussein possesses over 500 Tons of chemical ready weapons that can be used at any time."

    To all who defend the war based on weapons of mass destruction, please answer just two questions:

    1)If Powell and the White House KNEW where there was 500 tons of chemical ready weapons, why haven't we found them? Don't tell me they were "destroyed"! You can't destroy 500 tons of chemicals and leave NO TRACE. Yet not even a trace has been found. WHERE ARE THEY THEN?

    2)IF Hussein possessed chemical ready weapons, WHY DIDN'T HE USE THEM AGAINST THE FORCES ATTACKING HIM?


    Anyone? Anyone at all, including Mr. King the self declared Military expert.

    PLEASE answer these two questions factually?

    Thank you!

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      • dirtyone
        Confirmed User
        • Jun 2002
        • 3706
        #102
        Originally posted by Trolleater


        If you're American...what's with the "Your? your?"

        and it says under my name where I'm from...I know your educational system is quite poor in the States, rather sad.

        You can find Nova Scotia on the east coast of Canada. You know where Canada is right?
        Deflection... nice tactic

        I know where Nova Scotia is. I know where Canada is and I know this has nothing to do with education however you choose to bring it up because you have no argument. Do you?

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          • Ironhorse
            Pixel Pusher
            • Nov 2002
            • 7094
            #103
            Hey is this same Centurion I met playing Diablo years ago?
            [email protected]

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              • dirtyone
                Confirmed User
                • Jun 2002
                • 3706
                #104
                Originally posted by Centurion
                Colin Powell addess the United Nations before the war began:
                "We have evidence the Saddam Hussein possesses over 500 Tons of chemical ready weapons that can be used at any time."

                To all who defend the war based on weapons of mass destruction, please answer just two questions:

                1)If Powell and the White House KNEW where there was 500 tons of chemical ready weapons, why haven't we found them? Don't tell me they were "destroyed"! You can't destroy 500 tons of chemicals and leave NO TRACE. Yet not even a trace has been found. WHERE ARE THEY THEN?

                2)IF Hussein possessed chemical ready weapons, WHY DIDN'T HE USE THEM AGAINST THE FORCES ATTACKING HIM?


                Anyone? Anyone at all, including Mr. King the self declared Military expert.

                PLEASE answer these two questions factually?

                Thank you!
                Is it possible that the weapons could have been moved... say to Iran?

                And

                I have no answer to the second question.




                Please respond if you like and without calling me an idiot.

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                  • Trolleater
                    Confirmed User
                    • Jun 2002
                    • 1441
                    #105
                    Anyway, I'm done with this thread. You try to back up what you say and why the US should be over there in the first place, with ignorant comments...and are no where close to keeping an intelligent debate going. Try again when complete high school...if you make it that far.

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                      • theking
                        Nice Kitty
                        • Sep 2002
                        • 21053
                        #106
                        Originally posted by Centurion



                        Oh wow..heavy duty post King. Full of factual evidence that disputes all the points I CAN prove!

                        Yeah..you're the King all right..the King of the CLUELESS!
                        I am not in the mood to rebutt what I have already repeatedly rebutted...and you would not learn from it anyhow. But feel free to post proof of the following using a known reliable source.

                        Again...REALITY CHECK! We didn't APPEASE Saddam, we helped put in power and KEPT him there with weapons from the UNITED STATES!
                        Post the proof that the US put Saddam in power.
                        Post the proof that the US supplied Saddam with weapons...types of weapons...number of weapons etc.


                        We URGE Iraq to attack Iran in the 1980's because we hated the Shiite's and Khomeni! We also quietly BACKED the extermination of the Shiite's in the 80's for the same reason!
                        Post the proof that the US urged Iraq to attack Iran.
                        Post the proof that the US backed the extermination of the Shiite's in the 80's
                        When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!

                        FOR THE LYING LOWLIFE POSTING AS PATHFINDER...http://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...athfinder.html

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                          • Trolleater
                            Confirmed User
                            • Jun 2002
                            • 1441
                            #107
                            Originally posted by dirtyone


                            Deflection... nice tactic

                            I know where Nova Scotia is. I know where Canada is and I know this has nothing to do with education however you choose to bring it up because you have no argument. Do you?
                            Man you're an idiot. You keep asking where I'm from for fucksake and it says right under my name. After you asked a couple times, I answered.

                            You wanted to know.

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                              • dirtyone
                                Confirmed User
                                • Jun 2002
                                • 3706
                                #108
                                Originally posted by Trolleater
                                Anyway, I'm done with this thread. You try to back up what you say and why the US should be over there in the first place, with ignorant comments...and are no where close to keeping an intelligent debate going. Try again when complete high school...if you make it that far.

                                Typical!

                                I could say that you are uneducated but no I didn't. I am debating (I love this shit) and you choose to leave?

                                I know middle schooler's that could debate this shit and you are leaving?

                                Don't leave just try and keep up.

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                                  • Centurion
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Dec 2002
                                    • 6033
                                    #109
                                    Originally posted by dirtyone


                                    Is it possible that the weapons could have been moved... say to Iran?

                                    And

                                    I have no answer to the second question.




                                    Please respond if you like and without calling me an idiot.
                                    WHEN did he move the weapons to Iran?
                                    HOW did he move the weapons to Iran?
                                    WHY didn't we go after those weapons if they were truly a "clear and present danger" to the United States?
                                    Why hasn't the administration TOLD the American People that happened? It would help bolster those in the administration that WANTS to go after Iran next.

                                    Sorry..just doesn't fly. And I hope I didn't come across as a smart ass in answering your post.

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                                      • Centurion
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Dec 2002
                                        • 6033
                                        #110
                                        Originally posted by Ironhorse
                                        Hey is this same Centurion I met playing Diablo years ago?
                                        Nope..never have played the game.

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                                          • dirtyone
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Jun 2002
                                            • 3706
                                            #111
                                            Originally posted by Trolleater


                                            Man you're an idiot. You keep asking where I'm from for fucksake and it says right under my name. After you asked a couple times, I answered.

                                            You wanted to know.
                                            Again *sigh*


                                            I didn't ask where you were from. I just stated that I knew where you were from.

                                            Here is the deal. Respond if you like.

                                            Sadam is a bitch boy that deserved what he got? yes or no

                                            The UN had 10 years to play hid and go seek with Sadam? Yes or no?

                                            Most (most) of these people don't deserve to breathe the oxygen that we do becacuse they are freaks? yes or no?

                                            Answer these three questions and I will play fair with you ans answer yours.

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                                              • Centurion
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Dec 2002
                                                • 6033
                                                #112
                                                Originally posted by theking


                                                Post the proof that the US urged Iraq to attack Iran.
                                                Post the proof that the US backed the extermination of the Shiite's in the 80's
                                                I KNEW you couldn't answer the questions!
                                                You KNOW I'm right! But you do not have the GUTS to admit it!

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                                                  • Trolleater
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Jun 2002
                                                    • 1441
                                                    #113
                                                    Originally posted by dirtyone
                                                    [B]I didn't ask where you were from. I just stated that I knew where you were from.B]
                                                    You're a bit of a nut, aren't you?

                                                    Here are quotes from 2 different posts of yours in this thread:

                                                    Your not even an American are you? Where are you from infidel?
                                                    Where are you from Trolleater?
                                                    Seems like you're asking where I'm from. I think you need to stop responding to this thread...You're not doing anything positive for yourself.

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                                                      • theking
                                                        Nice Kitty
                                                        • Sep 2002
                                                        • 21053
                                                        #114
                                                        Originally posted by Centurion
                                                        Colin Powell addess the United Nations before the war began:
                                                        "We have evidence the Saddam Hussein possesses over 500 Tons of chemical ready weapons that can be used at any time."

                                                        To all who defend the war based on weapons of mass destruction, please answer just two questions:

                                                        1)If Powell and the White House KNEW where there was 500 tons of chemical ready weapons, why haven't we found them? Don't tell me they were "destroyed"! You can't destroy 500 tons of chemicals and leave NO TRACE. Yet not even a trace has been found. WHERE ARE THEY THEN?

                                                        2)IF Hussein possessed chemical ready weapons, WHY DIDN'T HE USE THEM AGAINST THE FORCES ATTACKING HIM?


                                                        Anyone? Anyone at all, including Mr. King the self declared Military expert.

                                                        PLEASE answer these two questions factually?

                                                        Thank you!
                                                        I have repeatedly given my opinion of the reasons for the war and they were multiple and WMD's were not on the top of the list of reasons. I am not going to rehash this again.

                                                        Exactly...you cannot destroy anything and leave no trace. In 1998 the inspectors left Iraq...knowing from Iraq's own admissions that x number of WMD materials had not been destroyed. The UN security counsel voted 15-0 on 1441 that required Iraq to prove that they had destroyed the remaining materials. Iraq said we destroyed them...but did not offer a single document...or a single scientist or person that would have been involved in the destruction...and did not offer any physical evidence of their destruction. WHAT DID THEY DO WITH THE WMD MATERIALS?

                                                        Chemical weapons are not an effective military weapon...are not easy to deploy...if Iraq's military would have deployed them they would have done more damage to Iraqi's than to US military forces.
                                                        When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!

                                                        FOR THE LYING LOWLIFE POSTING AS PATHFINDER...http://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...athfinder.html

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                                                          • dirtyone
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Jun 2002
                                                            • 3706
                                                            #115
                                                            Originally posted by Centurion


                                                            WHEN did he move the weapons to Iran?
                                                            HOW did he move the weapons to Iran?
                                                            WHY didn't we go after those weapons if they were truly a "clear and present danger" to the United States?
                                                            Why hasn't the administration TOLD the American People that happened? It would help bolster those in the administration that WANTS to go after Iran next.

                                                            Sorry..just doesn't fly. And I hope I didn't come across as a smart ass in answering your post.

                                                            Centurion... you didn't and I appriciate that.

                                                            The first three questions can only be answered by on man.

                                                            2... I don't think that there was an direct threat to the US however there was a driect threat to US interest abroad.

                                                            Is Iran in the same boat as Iraq?
                                                            I will say it again and I am sure I will catch some heat for it but these people are religious freaks. They undrestand nothing but death.

                                                            They may or may not be a DIRECT threat to the US but given time they could very well be.

                                                            Getting drunker by the minute so I other than fucking with Trolleater I may not be able to debate intelligently.

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                                                              • theking
                                                                Nice Kitty
                                                                • Sep 2002
                                                                • 21053
                                                                #116
                                                                Originally posted by Centurion


                                                                I KNEW you couldn't answer the questions!
                                                                You KNOW I'm right! But you do not have the GUTS to admit it!
                                                                I will repeat I have rebutted this BS before and I am not going to rehash it.

                                                                ..points I CAN prove!
                                                                That is what you posted so prove it from any known reliable source.
                                                                When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!

                                                                FOR THE LYING LOWLIFE POSTING AS PATHFINDER...http://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...athfinder.html

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                                                                  • dirtyone
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Jun 2002
                                                                    • 3706
                                                                    #117
                                                                    Originally posted by Trolleater


                                                                    Seems like you're asking where I'm from. I think you need to stop responding to this thread...You're not doing anything positive for yourself.

                                                                    Are we debating where you are from or the shit going down in the middle east.

                                                                    Again... do try and keep up.

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                                                                      • volante
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Mar 2002
                                                                        • 2940
                                                                        #118
                                                                        Originally posted by theking


                                                                        That is what you posted so prove it from any known reliable source.
                                                                        Washington Post okay?

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                                                                          • Trolleater
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Jun 2002
                                                                            • 1441
                                                                            #119
                                                                            Originally posted by dirtyone



                                                                            Are we debating where you are from or the shit going down in the middle east.

                                                                            Again... do try and keep up.

                                                                            I like how you try to weasel out of things, after you make yourself out to be a complete moron.

                                                                            and I'm all done debating on this end. Would have been nice to see you try.

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                                                                              • dirtyone
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Jun 2002
                                                                                • 3706
                                                                                #120
                                                                                Originally posted by Trolleater



                                                                                I like how you try to weasel out of things, after you make yourself out to be a complete moron.

                                                                                and I'm all done debating on this end. Would have been nice to see you try.

                                                                                Weasle out of what. I am right here. No weaseling going on.


                                                                                I AM DRUNK. I DIDN"T SEE WHERE YOU ARE FROM. PLEASE TRY AND STICK TO THE THREAD TOPIC.

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                                                                                  • dirtyone
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Jun 2002
                                                                                    • 3706
                                                                                    #121
                                                                                    Wherer did Centurion go?

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                                                                                      • Trolleater
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Jun 2002
                                                                                        • 1441
                                                                                        #122
                                                                                        Originally posted by dirtyone



                                                                                        Weasle out of what. I am right here. No weaseling going on.


                                                                                        I AM DRUNK. I DIDN"T SEE WHERE YOU ARE FROM. PLEASE TRY AND STICK TO THE THREAD TOPIC.
                                                                                        Idiot...you also said you didn't ask where I'm from.

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                                                                                          • dirtyone
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Jun 2002
                                                                                            • 3706
                                                                                            #123
                                                                                            Originally posted by Trolleater


                                                                                            Idiot...you also said you didn't ask where I'm from.
                                                                                            I didnt' "see" where you are from.

                                                                                            SEE SEE SEE

                                                                                            Try to keep up

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                                                                                              • dirtyone
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Jun 2002
                                                                                                • 3706
                                                                                                #124
                                                                                                Originally posted by Trolleater


                                                                                                Idiot...you also said you didn't ask where I'm from.
                                                                                                Nice designs by the way.

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                                                                                                  • dirtyone
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • Jun 2002
                                                                                                    • 3706
                                                                                                    #125
                                                                                                    I can't run this thread by myself. Come on.

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                                                                                                      • dirtyone
                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                        • Jun 2002
                                                                                                        • 3706
                                                                                                        #126
                                                                                                        Please?

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                                                                                                          • Centurion
                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                            • Dec 2002
                                                                                                            • 6033
                                                                                                            #127
                                                                                                            Originally posted by theking


                                                                                                            I have repeatedly given my opinion of the reasons for the war and they were multiple and WMD's were not on the top of the list of reasons. I am not going to rehash this again.

                                                                                                            Exactly...you cannot destroy anything and leave no trace. In 1998 the inspectors left Iraq...knowing from Iraq's own admissions that x number of WMD materials had not been destroyed. The UN security counsel voted 15-0 on 1441 that required Iraq to prove that they had destroyed the remaining materials. Iraq said we destroyed them...but did not offer a single document...or a single scientist or person that would have been involved in the destruction...and did not offer any physical evidence of their destruction. WHAT DID THEY DO WITH THE WMD MATERIALS?

                                                                                                            Chemical weapons are not an effective military weapon...are not easy to deploy...if Iraq's military would have deployed them they would have done more damage to Iraqi's than to US military forces.


                                                                                                            King..stay with the ORIGINAL 2 questions!
                                                                                                            It should be easy for you to answer as you say you know everything that is going on in Iraq and can prove it.

                                                                                                            If you forgot..

                                                                                                            1)We told everyone we knew they had WMD..and Powell gave the example of 500 tons of chemical weapons.

                                                                                                            They EXISITED when Powell addressed the U.N. in March. (According to the Bush administration) WHERE ARE THEY? Can you answer that?

                                                                                                            2)Why DIDN'T they use the weapons if they had them?
                                                                                                            Saying "they're really not effective" not only begs the issue, but REFUTES the theory that they were WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION!

                                                                                                            Which is it..chemical weapons were or were NOT dangerous to the U.S. If they WERE NOT dangerous..why did we use that in our UN speech as justification for attacking Iraq? Please answer this one ALSO directly.

                                                                                                            And finally, efficient or not, if they HAD the weapons, why didn't they use them against the troops attacking them?

                                                                                                            These are simple questions. All I'm asking for is a simple direct ANSWER!

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                                                                                                              • dirtyone
                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                • Jun 2002
                                                                                                                • 3706
                                                                                                                #128
                                                                                                                Originally posted by Centurion




                                                                                                                King..stay with the ORIGINAL 2 questions!
                                                                                                                It should be easy for you to answer as you say you know everything that is going on in Iraq and can prove it.

                                                                                                                If you forgot..

                                                                                                                1)We told everyone we knew they had WMD..and Powell gave the example of 500 tons of chemical weapons.

                                                                                                                They EXISITED when Powell addressed the U.N. in March. (According to the Bush administration) WHERE ARE THEY? Can you answer that?

                                                                                                                2)Why DIDN'T they use the weapons if they had them?
                                                                                                                Saying "they're really not effective" not only begs the issue, but REFUTES the theory that they were WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION!

                                                                                                                Which is it..chemical weapons were or were NOT dangerous to the U.S. If they WERE NOT dangerous..why did we use that in our UN speech as justification for attacking Iraq? Please answer this one ALSO directly.

                                                                                                                And finally, efficient or not, if they HAD the weapons, why didn't they use them against the troops attacking them?

                                                                                                                These are simple questions. All I'm asking for is a simple direct ANSWER!

                                                                                                                Com on i'm fun... don't I get a response? I was even being nice.

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                                                                                                                  • volante
                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                    • Mar 2002
                                                                                                                    • 2940
                                                                                                                    #129
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by dirtyone



                                                                                                                    Com on i'm fun... don't I get a response? I was even being nice.
                                                                                                                    GW Bush played up the threat of Iraq having WMD and chemical weapons so he could use this as an excuse to vaccinate the US troops against anthrax, as a company his daddy is involved with recently purchased a pharmaceuticals company that makes an anthrax vaccine.

                                                                                                                    Discuss

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                                                                                                                      • theking
                                                                                                                        Nice Kitty
                                                                                                                        • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                        • 21053
                                                                                                                        #130
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by volante


                                                                                                                        Washington Post okay?
                                                                                                                        I am aware of that article and many others like it and I have rebutted what it, and other articles like it, says and does not say. I am tired of repeating myself over and over. I am not any longer going to rebut point by point the same BS that I have repeatedly rebutted, that is posted by anti American Foreigners, or anti Administration hatrers, or idiots that do not comprehend what they are reading and try to twist it into saying something that fits their anti American or anti Administration agenda.
                                                                                                                        When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!

                                                                                                                        FOR THE LYING LOWLIFE POSTING AS PATHFINDER...http://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...athfinder.html

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                                                                                                                          • Centurion
                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                            • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                            • 6033
                                                                                                                            #131
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by dirtyone



                                                                                                                            Com on i'm fun... don't I get a response? I was even being nice.
                                                                                                                            I'm still here..but I obviously missed your question. What was it?

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                                                                                                                              • Centurion
                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                • 6033
                                                                                                                                #132
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by theking


                                                                                                                                I am aware of that article and many others like it and I have rebutted what it, and other articles like it, says and does not say. I am tired of repeating myself over and over. I am not any longer going to rebut point by point the same BS that I have repeatedly rebutted, that is posted by anti American Foreigners, or anti Administration hatrers, or idiots that do not comprehend what they are reading and try to twist it into saying something that fits their anti American or anti Administration agenda.
                                                                                                                                Read:I CAN'T answer those questions!

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                                                                                                                                  • theking
                                                                                                                                    Nice Kitty
                                                                                                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                                    • 21053
                                                                                                                                    #133
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Centurion


                                                                                                                                    Read:I CAN'T answer those questions!
                                                                                                                                    Re-read my post..learn it... and know it.
                                                                                                                                    When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!

                                                                                                                                    FOR THE LYING LOWLIFE POSTING AS PATHFINDER...http://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...athfinder.html

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                                                                                                                                      • dirtyone
                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                        • Jun 2002
                                                                                                                                        • 3706
                                                                                                                                        #134
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by volante


                                                                                                                                        GW Bush played up the threat of Iraq having WMD and chemical weapons so he could use this as an excuse to vaccinate the US troops against anthrax, as a company his daddy is involved with recently purchased a pharmaceuticals company that makes an anthrax vaccine.

                                                                                                                                        Discuss
                                                                                                                                        Interesting. Link?
                                                                                                                                        If this is true then GWB should be not only impeached but run out of the white house and burned on the steps of the capitol.

                                                                                                                                        I like the fact that you didn't call me an idiot.

                                                                                                                                        All of this for a nice return on a stock investment? I think not.

                                                                                                                                        Can you deny the fact that Saddam is an evil man?

                                                                                                                                        Can you deny the fact that Saddam would like nothing more that to topple the US?

                                                                                                                                        Can you prove the fact that he didn't have WMD?

                                                                                                                                        So two out of thee aint bad and I will say this again...

                                                                                                                                        The UN had 10 count them 10 years to find WMD and had no luck... after 1 month why is everyone ready to jump on th band waggon and crucify the Bush?

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                                                                                                                                          • dirtyone
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                                                                                                                                            • Jun 2002
                                                                                                                                            • 3706
                                                                                                                                            #135
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Centurion


                                                                                                                                            I'm still here..but I obviously missed your question. What was it?

                                                                                                                                            Sorry I am giving up. Too many beers to debate.





                                                                                                                                            Have fun and answer me this.... where are your from.

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                                                                                                                                              • Centurion
                                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                                • 6033
                                                                                                                                                #136
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by dirtyone



                                                                                                                                                Sorry I am giving up. Too many beers to debate.





                                                                                                                                                Have fun and answer me this.... where are your from.
                                                                                                                                                SEE AT TILL

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                                                                                                                                                  • volante
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                                                                                                                                                    • Mar 2002
                                                                                                                                                    • 2940
                                                                                                                                                    #137
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by dirtyone


                                                                                                                                                    Interesting. Link?
                                                                                                                                                    If this is true then GWB should be not only impeached but run out of the white house and burned on the steps of the capitol.
                                                                                                                                                    Saw something about on BBC News website. The company GW's daddy is involved with is The Carlyle Group, which I'm sure everyone here has heard of. Is it true? Possibly, possibly not, but either way it makes for interesting arguments when you're drunk

                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by dirtyone
                                                                                                                                                    I like the fact that you didn't call me an idiot.
                                                                                                                                                    Never seen the point in calling someone an idiot just because they have a different point of view to other people

                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by dirtyone
                                                                                                                                                    Can you deny the fact that Saddam is an evil man?
                                                                                                                                                    There is no evil - just mental illness and differences of opinion

                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by dirtyone
                                                                                                                                                    Can you deny the fact that Saddam would like nothing more that to topple the US?
                                                                                                                                                    Nope, but he'd have to join the queue

                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by dirtyone
                                                                                                                                                    Can you prove the fact that he didn't have WMD?
                                                                                                                                                    He did, and he used to use them. Frequently.

                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by dirtyone
                                                                                                                                                    So two out of thee aint bad and I will say this again...

                                                                                                                                                    The UN had 10 count them 10 years to find WMD and had no luck... after 1 month why is everyone ready to jump on th band waggon and crucify the Bush?
                                                                                                                                                    Perhaps because after the 10 years spent searching for them the reason they wern't found is because they no longer existed. People are coming down on Bush because his administration clamied Iraq did have them, and knew where they were. The Bush administration told the UN's weapons inspectors where they thought the WMD's were. The UN looked, but the WMD's wern't there. Now the US is restricting the UN weapons inspectors movements.

                                                                                                                                                    Saddam Hussein is gone. Good.
                                                                                                                                                    GW Bush appears to have given a load of bullshit reasons for invading Iraq. Bad.

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                                                                                                                                                      • dirtyone
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                                                                                                                                                        • Jun 2002
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                                                                                                                                                        #138
                                                                                                                                                        I can't do this anymore volante. I am having trouble holding my head up at the moment. We will continue this another day.

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                                                                                                                                                          • kenny
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                                                                                                                                                            • Mar 2002
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                                                                                                                                                            #139
                                                                                                                                                            WMD or no WMD the results will remain the same. Nothing will happen to the US, most likely Bush will be relected.
                                                                                                                                                            The anti-americans are really going to love the SBL defense technology the US is aiming to deploy by 2012.
                                                                                                                                                            Last edited by kenny; 06-08-2003, 05:09 PM.
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                                                                                                                                                              • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                                                                                                                                • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                                • 30307
                                                                                                                                                                #140
                                                                                                                                                                You can do plenty to get rid of Bush.
                                                                                                                                                                There are even fax forms to send to your Congressmen and Sentate.

                                                                                                                                                                Start Here the reason's for doing so are overwelming.

                                                                                                                                                                IMPEACH BUSH START HERE!

                                                                                                                                                                Only matter of time till an official inquiry is launched.

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                                                                                                                                                                  • Mr.Fiction
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                                                                                                                                                                    • Feb 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                    #141
                                                                                                                                                                    People on this thread aren't anti-American, they are anti Bush.

                                                                                                                                                                    Was everyone who didn't like Clinton anti-American too?

                                                                                                                                                                    Was everyone who didn't like Nixon anti-American too?

                                                                                                                                                                    I'm sure the right wingers have no answer for that.

                                                                                                                                                                    Wanting to get rid of Bush is probably the most pro-American position you can have, if he really lied to start an illegal war.
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                                                                                                                                                                      • kenny
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                                                                                                                                                                        • Mar 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                        #142
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                                                                                                                                        You can do plenty to get rid of Bush.
                                                                                                                                                                        There are even fax forms to send to your Congressmen and Sentate.

                                                                                                                                                                        Start Here the reason's for doing so are overwelming.

                                                                                                                                                                        IMPEACH BUSH START HERE!

                                                                                                                                                                        Only matter of time till an official inquiry is launched.
                                                                                                                                                                        Nice to see freedom in action. Please exercise your rights and fax a form to your congressmen.
                                                                                                                                                                        You have to remember though, the president is holding a approval rating of damn near 70%. Obviously the majority of americans don't feel the same as you.
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                                                                                                                                                                          • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                                                                                                                                            • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                                            • 30307
                                                                                                                                                                            #143
                                                                                                                                                                            Major American Media platforms are on the pay off.

                                                                                                                                                                            American news is biased and on the take. Look at the recent reforms regarding the new rules in the FCC and media conglomerations.
                                                                                                                                                                            The last unbiased base of information is the Internet.

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                                                                                                                                                                              • kenny
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                                                                                                                                                                                • Mar 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                                #144
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
                                                                                                                                                                                People on this thread aren't anti-American, they are anti Bush.

                                                                                                                                                                                Was everyone who didn't like Clinton anti-American too?

                                                                                                                                                                                Was everyone who didn't like Nixon anti-American too?

                                                                                                                                                                                I'm sure the right wingers have no answer for that.

                                                                                                                                                                                Wanting to get rid of Bush is probably the most pro-American position you can have, if he really lied to start an illegal war.
                                                                                                                                                                                I have never ounce said anyone that is anti-Bush is anti-american. However after reading countless threads and post on this board relating to anti-american agenda, it is bluntly obvious that many posters here are indeed anti-american.
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Centurion
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Dec 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                                    #145
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by kenny


                                                                                                                                                                                    I have never ounce said anyone that is anti-Bush is anti-american. However after reading countless threads and post on this board relating to anti-american agenda, it is bluntly obvious that many posters here are indeed anti-american.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Out of curiosity, what is your definition of "anti-american"?

                                                                                                                                                                                    As for impeaching Bush, there's no grounds at all for that. So far, to my knowledge at least, he hasn't committed any impeachable offenses.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Yes, as MY President, he lied to the American people. His advisors and inner circle helped perpetrate that lie. I don't want to see one more human being killed in the name of "destroying WMDs".

                                                                                                                                                                                    So what I will do, and hopefully a MAJORITY of voting American's will do (though it sure it didn't help in 2000 did it?), is gearing up to ensure the defeat of Bush in 2004.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Now what we have to find is a Democrat that has the ballsack to say what needs to be said in an organized election campaign.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm very tired of the big biz/big oil people taking advantage of the American people. I just hope the "people" wake up in time to realize what is going on. But I still cling to the notion that even "one person can make a difference" even if it's to convince one other person that they should VOTE!

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • ThunderBalls
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 2926
                                                                                                                                                                                        #146
                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Centurion



                                                                                                                                                                                        As for impeaching Bush, there's no grounds at all for that. So far, to my knowledge at least, he hasn't committed any impeachable offenses.
                                                                                                                                                                                        I disagree. According to the Constitution:
                                                                                                                                                                                        "Impeachment is the direct constitutional means for removing a President, Vice President or other civil officers of the United States who has acted or threatened acts that are serious offenses against the Constitution, its system of government, or the rule of law, or that are conventional crimes of such a serious nature that they would injure the Presidency if there was no removal."

                                                                                                                                                                                        Presenting false information to invade another country is without a doubt an impeachable offense. It violates our "system of government" and our "rule of law".

                                                                                                                                                                                        Even if he did not lie about WMD, he has still committed impeachable offenses.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Since taking office George W. Bush has violated his constitutional oath to faithfully execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, violated his constitutional duty to ensure that the laws of our country are faithfully executed; and attempted to impose a police state and a military dictatorship upon the people and Republic of the United States of America by means of "a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations" against the Constitution since September 11, 2001.

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. George W. Bush's familial involvement and personal interest in BCCI and the Carlyle Group amount to High Treason against the People of the United States of America for supporting a group which has supported terrorism against the United States.

                                                                                                                                                                                        2. George W. Bush's government has willfully and knowingly denied the Constitutionally Guaranteed Rights of American Citizen Jose Padilla by denying him due process of law and holding him without cause.

                                                                                                                                                                                        3. Trying to suspend the constitutional Writ of Habeas Corpus

                                                                                                                                                                                        4. Ramming the totalitarian U.S.A. Patriot Act through Congress

                                                                                                                                                                                        5. Interference with the constitutional right of defendants in criminal cases to lawyers

                                                                                                                                                                                        6. Violating and subverting the Posse Comitatus Act

                                                                                                                                                                                        7. Violating the First Amendments rights of the free exercise of religion, freedom of speech, peaceable assembly, and to petition the government for redress of grievances

                                                                                                                                                                                        8. Packing the federal judiciary with hand-picked judges belonging to the totalitarian Federalist Society and undermining the judicial independence of the Constitution's Article III federal court system

                                                                                                                                                                                        9. Violating the Third and Fourth Geneva Conventions and the U.S. War Crimes Act

                                                                                                                                                                                        10. Violating the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, the Convention against Torture, and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights

                                                                                                                                                                                        11. Establishing a totalitarian Northern Military Command for the United States of America itself

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Centurion
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                            • 6033
                                                                                                                                                                                            #147
                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by ThunderBalls


                                                                                                                                                                                            I disagree. According to the Constitution:
                                                                                                                                                                                            "Impeachment is the direct constitutional means for removing a President, Vice President or other civil officers of the United States who has acted or threatened acts that are serious offenses against the Constitution, its system of government, or the rule of law, or that are conventional crimes of such a serious nature that they would injure the Presidency if there was no removal."
                                                                                                                                                                                            Bro..I'm with you in spirit..but, well just don't think you can make a legal case for impeachment.

                                                                                                                                                                                            I wish we could!

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                                                                                                                                                                                              • theking
                                                                                                                                                                                                Nice Kitty
                                                                                                                                                                                                • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 21053
                                                                                                                                                                                                #148
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by ThunderBalls


                                                                                                                                                                                                I disagree. According to the Constitution:
                                                                                                                                                                                                "Impeachment is the direct constitutional means for removing a President, Vice President or other civil officers of the United States who has acted or threatened acts that are serious offenses against the Constitution, its system of government, or the rule of law, or that are conventional crimes of such a serious nature that they would injure the Presidency if there was no removal."

                                                                                                                                                                                                Presenting false information to invade another country is without a doubt an impeachable offense. It violates our "system of government" and our "rule of law".

                                                                                                                                                                                                Even if he did not lie about WMD, he has still committed impeachable offenses.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Since taking office George W. Bush has violated his constitutional oath to faithfully execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, violated his constitutional duty to ensure that the laws of our country are faithfully executed; and attempted to impose a police state and a military dictatorship upon the people and Republic of the United States of America by means of "a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations" against the Constitution since September 11, 2001.

                                                                                                                                                                                                1. George W. Bush's familial involvement and personal interest in BCCI and the Carlyle Group amount to High Treason against the People of the United States of America for supporting a group which has supported terrorism against the United States.

                                                                                                                                                                                                2. George W. Bush's government has willfully and knowingly denied the Constitutionally Guaranteed Rights of American Citizen Jose Padilla by denying him due process of law and holding him without cause.

                                                                                                                                                                                                3. Trying to suspend the constitutional Writ of Habeas Corpus

                                                                                                                                                                                                4. Ramming the totalitarian U.S.A. Patriot Act through Congress

                                                                                                                                                                                                5. Interference with the constitutional right of defendants in criminal cases to lawyers

                                                                                                                                                                                                6. Violating and subverting the Posse Comitatus Act

                                                                                                                                                                                                7. Violating the First Amendments rights of the free exercise of religion, freedom of speech, peaceable assembly, and to petition the government for redress of grievances

                                                                                                                                                                                                8. Packing the federal judiciary with hand-picked judges belonging to the totalitarian Federalist Society and undermining the judicial independence of the Constitution's Article III federal court system

                                                                                                                                                                                                9. Violating the Third and Fourth Geneva Conventions and the U.S. War Crimes Act

                                                                                                                                                                                                10. Violating the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, the Convention against Torture, and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights

                                                                                                                                                                                                11. Establishing a totalitarian Northern Military Command for the United States of America itself
                                                                                                                                                                                                This is the grounds the constitution provides for impeachment..."treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors."
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 69pornlinks
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 5560
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #149
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Saddaam didn't use no Weapons at all against the troops,i'm sure if he had WMD's(chem,bio, or otherwise) he wouldv'e used them....either that or a deal was made?????
                                                                                                                                                                                                    It IS what it IS

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • mule
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 6085
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #150
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by theking


                                                                                                                                                                                                        I am aware of that article and many others like it and I have rebutted what it, and other articles like it, says and does not say. I am tired of repeating myself over and over. I am not any longer going to rebut point by point the same BS that I have repeatedly rebutted, that is posted by anti American Foreigners, or anti Administration hatrers, or idiots that do not comprehend what they are reading and try to twist it into saying something that fits their anti American or anti Administration agenda.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        LOL, theking at his most typical.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Whenever he's presented with the proof he keeps asking for, he quotes himself
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Converting like a mofo

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