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  • jas1552
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    • May 2002
    • 1462

    #1

    Kerry flip flopped in the debate

    In this first quote Kerry is basically saying he's not a flip flopper, and he has always believed and still believes Saddam was a threat.
    Originally posted by Lensman
    KERRY: Well, let me tell you straight up: I've never changed my mind about Iraq. I do believe Saddam Hussein was a threat. I always believed he was a threat. Believed it in 1998 when Clinton was president. I wanted to give Clinton the power to use force if necessary.
    In the second quote Kerry is speaking about the threat posed by Iran. Saying basically Iran's threat has grown while Bush was preoccupied with Iraq, where there was no threat.
    Originally posted by Lensman
    [B]KERRY: I don't think you can just rely on U.N. sanctions, Randee. But you're absolutely correct, it is a threat, it's a huge threat.

    And what's interesting is, it's a threat that has grown while the president has been preoccupied with Iraq, where there wasn't a threat.B]
    He can't even keep his contradictory positions straight in one debate. What a joke. I hope the press realize this and call him on it. I can't be the only person in the world that caught that.
  • smack
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    • Mar 2002
    • 10652

    #2
    the keyword you're looking for is imminent.


    iraq was not an imminent threat. iran was far more pressing.

    we've got to prioritize here folks.
    Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

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    • jas1552
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      • May 2002
      • 1462

      #3
      Originally posted by smack
      the keyword you're looking for is imminent.


      iraq was not an imminent threat. iran was far more pressing.

      we've got to prioritize here folks.
      And you might have a point if that's what Kerry said, but it wasn't. In one debate he said he believes Saddam was a threat and a few minutes later he says there was no threat in Iraq. Those positions are clearly contradictory.

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      • bringer
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        • Jul 2003
        • 13082

        #4
        Originally posted by jas1552
        And you might have a point if that's what Kerry said, but it wasn't. In one debate he said he believes Saddam was a threat and a few minutes later he says there was no threat in Iraq. Those positions are clearly contradictory.
        how dare you speak out again kerry, you bush supporting evil bastard</sarcasm>
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        • Centurion
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          • Dec 2002
          • 6033

          #5
          Originally posted by jas1552
          In this first quote Kerry is basically saying he's not a flip flopper, and he has always believed and still believes Saddam was a threat.


          In the second quote Kerry is speaking about the threat posed by Iran. Saying basically Iran's threat has grown while Bush was preoccupied with Iraq, where there was no threat.

          He can't even keep his contradictory positions straight in one debate. What a joke. I hope the press realize this and call him on it. I can't be the only person in the world that caught that.
          Kerry was referring to Saddam Hussein singularly in the first paragraph. (Wmds..etc..and NOT talking about Al Qaeda, etc)

          He was talking about how the terrorist threat (Al Qaeda & others) DEVELOPED in Iraq AFTER we invaded.

          No contradiction.

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          • jas1552
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            • May 2002
            • 1462

            #6
            Originally posted by Centurion
            Kerry was referring to Saddam Hussein singularly in the first paragraph. (Wmds..etc..and NOT talking about Al Qaeda, etc)

            He was talking about how the terrorist threat (Al Qaeda & others) DEVELOPED in Iraq AFTER we invaded.

            No contradiction.
            He said Saddam was a threat. He then said there was no threat in Iraq. Was Saddam not in Iraq, or was Saddam not a threat?

            And No. He was not talking about Al Qaeda or a threat that later developed in Iraq in either of those statements.
            Last edited by jas1552; 10-09-2004, 01:18 AM.

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            • piker
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              • Feb 2004
              • 597

              #7
              Originally posted by Centurion
              Kerry was referring to Saddam Hussein singularly in the first paragraph. (Wmds..etc..and NOT talking about Al Qaeda, etc)

              He was talking about how the terrorist threat (Al Qaeda & others) DEVELOPED in Iraq AFTER we invaded.

              No contradiction.
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              • Centurion
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                • Dec 2002
                • 6033

                #8
                Originally posted by piker
                Be a true liberal....

                Just keep ignoring facts.. and making things up... ohh and dont forget to throw insults.....

                Thatta Boy...
                Hey Mr. Right Wing lamer...you just can't deal with specifics can you?

                You live in "generalization" land!

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                • jas1552
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                  • May 2002
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                  #9

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                  • Manowar
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                    • Dec 2003
                    • 71528

                    #10
                    Originally posted by smack
                    the keyword you're looking for is imminent.


                    iraq was not an imminent threat. iran was far more pressing.

                    we've got to prioritize here folks.

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                    • rett11
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                      • Jan 2003
                      • 397

                      #11
                      There are a lot of 'threats' in the world...almost all of them worse than Iraq. Iraq was first because it was convenient, and we 'knew' we could win because they were weak from years of sanctions. Imagine if we'd actually gone to 'war' with a country that had some real strength. It's pretty much an unethical war...and Ws arguing the ethics of stem cell research in the debate. We can kill 18 year old soldiers for no good reason, but we can't use frozen embryos that will be destroyed or kept frozen for the BEST of reasons?
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                      • Vendzilla
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                        • Mar 2004
                        • 23200

                        #12
                        There are things I don't trust about GW, but I trust Kerry even less, something about having 2 faces, we don't really have a true choice at something better, but changing presidents isn't going to fix things, and if your worried about Ashahahahaha, theres a news clip somewhere that's he's going to step down if they win a second term, we'll see!
                        Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                        think about that

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                        • Probono
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                          • Oct 2002
                          • 2731

                          #13
                          This is not a choice between two honest people of the earth. This is a choice between a person who has an ideology of singleminded focus and belief he can do not wrong and a politician who knows the game is negotiation change and evolution.

                          Neither is god, Bush just believes he is doing God's will. I rather see a man who knows he is imperfect and makes mistakes than one one who thinks he is perfect and still makes mistakes.

                          Until we have a system in which a man without extreme wealth and / or a mortgaged soul can run for office we will not have good leaders.

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                          • ztik
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                            • Aug 2001
                            • 5196

                            #14
                            ok what exactly is a god damn flip flop? I don't have fox
                            .

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                            • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                              • Mar 2003
                              • 30307

                              #15
                              Reading problems? I had Reading Comprehension problems also when I was a kid.

                              Kerry is referring to 2 different countries. MMk?
                              Iran, and Iraq.

                              Awright kool.

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                              • mardigras
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                                • Feb 2003
                                • 14194

                                #16
                                Originally posted by ztik
                                ok what exactly is a god damn flip flop? I don't have fox
                                Flip flop is a term you throw out toward the other side when your side can't stand on it's own record
                                .

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                                • Centurion
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                                  • Dec 2002
                                  • 6033

                                  #17
                                  I find it funny that Bush is using the "flip flop" argument against Kerry..though Bush FAR exceeds Kerry in that category.

                                  Look at his reason(s) for invading Iraq:

                                  FIRST..wmds
                                  Then when they couldn't be found early on..ties to Al Qaeda!
                                  Then when that couldn't be proven.."Saddam's a bad man!"
                                  *NOW* "Saddam was trying to get around sanctions to build wmds!"

                                  Bush just comes up with a daily EXCUSE for why he invaded Iraq.

                                  FLIPPER and a FLOPPER!

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                                  • jas1552
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                                    • May 2002
                                    • 1462

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by AlienQ
                                    Reading problems? I had Reading Comprehension problems also when I was a kid.
                                    Seems you still do.

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                                    • WicKed NinJas
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                                      • Jun 2003
                                      • 965

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by jas1552
                                      And you might have a point if that's what Kerry said, but it wasn't. In one debate he said he believes Saddam was a threat and a few minutes later he says there was no threat in Iraq. Those positions are clearly contradictory.

                                      sometimes things are implied and if you take what he said in context with the question that was being asked then yes, Imminent was implied in the second statement you posted, at least thats the way I took it.
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                                      • uno
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                                        • Dec 2002
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by jas1552
                                        He said Saddam was a threat. He then said there was no threat in Iraq. Was Saddam not in Iraq, or was Saddam not a threat?

                                        And No. He was not talking about Al Qaeda or a threat that later developed in Iraq in either of those statements.
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                                        • ParasiteTV
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                                          • Jan 2003
                                          • 1067

                                          #21
                                          one word; pipeline. do some research.

                                          its all about the real underlying bosses, the handful of multinationals.

                                          i can't belive ppl still think that democracy exists, you have to be a true retard to buy into it.

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                                          • Nasty D
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                                            • Dec 2002
                                            • 2563

                                            #22
                                            who doesn't like flip flops


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                                            • seven
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                                              • Apr 2002
                                              • 2697

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Centurion
                                              I find it funny that Bush is using the "flip flop" argument against Kerry..though Bush FAR exceeds Kerry in that category.

                                              Look at his reason(s) for invading Iraq:

                                              FIRST..wmds
                                              Then when they couldn't be found early on..ties to Al Qaeda!
                                              Then when that couldn't be proven.."Saddam's a bad man!"
                                              *NOW* "Saddam was trying to get around sanctions to build wmds!"

                                              Bush just comes up with a daily EXCUSE for why he invaded Iraq.

                                              FLIPPER and a FLOPPER!
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                                              • flashfire
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                                                • Feb 2003
                                                • 13098

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Centurion
                                                I find it funny that Bush is using the "flip flop" argument against Kerry..though Bush FAR exceeds Kerry in that category.

                                                Look at his reason(s) for invading Iraq:

                                                FIRST..wmds
                                                Then when they couldn't be found early on..ties to Al Qaeda!
                                                Then when that couldn't be proven.."Saddam's a bad man!"
                                                *NOW* "Saddam was trying to get around sanctions to build wmds!"

                                                Bush just comes up with a daily EXCUSE for why he invaded Iraq.

                                                FLIPPER and a FLOPPER!
                                                Word North Korea actually has WMDs and so do others....why hasent anyone brought this up?

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