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if you have nothing intelligent to post to this thread, then dont post at all.Originally posted by theking
Getting married is one thing...having children is another. Smut peddlers are the lowest of the low on the social ladder and is not something that your children can be proud of. I do not think your child would want you to appear in their classroom on career day.
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I am a smut peddler in this business...I sell porn, or at the least I dabble in porn websites, as well as mainstream sites, to occupy my time. Would you attend career day at your childs school and announce that you are in the porn business and sell porn...or that you are content?Originally posted by AmeliaG
Hey theking, remember the sympathetic stuff I posted to you the other day. I take it back. I don't care how bad a week you are having, there is no excuse for saying that everyone on this board's children should be ashamed of them. What do you do in the business anyway? What I do is not low at all, but maybe what you do is totally disgusting.
What I do, or do not do, will never reflect upon my children because I do not have any. I would not have children and be in the porn business. Smut peddlers are low man on the totem pole in our society and I would not want to be a source of embarrassment to my children. I would rather that they had some semblance of pride in my occupation.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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Originally posted by Kimmykim
As a good parent you shield your children from things they do not have the capacity to understand. Therefore you would not treat your 15 year old the same way you would treat your 5 year old.
Being a steady and reliable parent to your child has nothing to do with the business you are in at all.
Whoo-hoo, voice of reason!Comment
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You may suffer from what ever form of self hate you want, but pornographers are not the lowest of the low.Originally posted by theking
Getting married is one thing...having children is another. Smut peddlers are the lowest of the low on the social ladder and is not something that your children can be proud of. I do not think your child would want you to appear in their classroom on career day.
There are some lawyers
Some doctors
Some insurance salesmen.
Some soldiers
Some politicians
And a lot more.
So why are you in this business, was it a step up from the last trade you had, or just for the money?Comment
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I will post as I please...thank you very much. I do not have admiration for anyone that is a smut peddler.Originally posted by Cassie
if you have nothing intelligent to post to this thread, then dont post at all.
i admire parents and especially ones who can hold it together and stay married to boot. if we are so low, then find a "happy" board to post to cause evil is contagious!When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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Originally posted by theking
I am a smut peddler in this business...I sell porn, or at the least I dabble in porn websites, as well as mainstream sites, to occupy my time. Would you attend career day at your childs school and announce that you are in the porn business and sell porn...or that you are content?
What I do, or do not do, will never reflect upon my children because I do not have any. I would not have children and be in the porn business. Smut peddlers are low man on the totem pole in our society and I would not want to be a source of embarrassment to my children. I would rather that they had some semblance of pride in my occupation.
To occupy your time? Are you saying that you are an embarrassed porn surfer with post-masturbation regret and not a webmaster really at all? If you are a webmaster, what niche are you in that you deserve to feel so humiliated by what you do?Comment
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yet he hangs out with them all fucking day.Originally posted by theking
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Clueless...they may not be the lowest of the low in your society but they are in the American society. Am I to assume that you would not be ashamed to announce that you are a smut peddler on career day in your childs classroom.Originally posted by charly
You may suffer from what ever form of self hate you want, but pornographers are not the lowest of the low.
There are some lawyers
Some doctors
Some insurance salesmen.
Some soldiers
Some politicians
And a lot more.
So why are you in this business, was it a step up from the last trade you had, or just for the money?When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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I am a retired person and I dabble in websites to occupy my time. My porn sites are all hardcore porn...I do not dabble with softcore sites.Originally posted by AmeliaG
To occupy your time? Are you saying that you are an embarrassed porn surfer with post-masturbation regret and not a webmaster really at all? If you are a webmaster, what niche are you in that you deserve to feel so humiliated by what you do?When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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So you are only here to occupy your time. So basically a surfer jerking off to "content"Originally posted by theking
I am a smut peddler in this business...I sell porn, or at the least I dabble in porn websites, as well as mainstream sites, to occupy my time. Would you attend career day at your childs school and announce that you are in the porn business and sell porn...or that you are content?
What I do, or do not do, will never reflect upon my children because I do not have any. I would not have children and be in the porn business. Smut peddlers are low man on the totem pole in our society and I would not want to be a source of embarrassment to my children. I would rather that they had some semblance of pride in my occupation.
Learning to drill, clean weapons, take orders, go to far away countries, meet new, different and interesting people. Then kill them. This you are proud of. Taking pictures of naked woman makes me the lowest of the low.
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you've got a monopoly on broken records.Originally posted by theking
Clueless...they may not be the lowest of the low in your society but they are in the American society. Am I to assume that you would not be ashamed to announce that you are a smut peddler on career day in your childs classroom.
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Originally posted by theking
I am a retired person and I dabble in websites to occupy my time. My porn sites are all hardcore porn...I do not dabble with softcore sites.
Retired? Are you elderly or on crazy person disability? Why would you do something as essentially a hobby that you think moves you down to the lowest possible position in society?Comment
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And its one thing to be an adult webmaster and work from home, and even be content, but a complete other to be a working adult porn star going to shoots and having to bring your kid cause you can't afford daycare while you make quick money doing adult.
Two completely different lifestyles, two different worlds even.
If I sound jaded in regards to bad pornstar parents, consider that I scheduled adult models in the San Fernando Valley and have seen some really twisted shit. My references were about pornstars that for example can't even spell words like 'America' and have no clue about internet stuff. ie dumbfucks who should not have kids.Comment
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Some of your ex wives may have got pregnant when they were married to you.
Just not by you.
Please can you make it a little harder to insult you.Comment
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I think you meant....
Originally posted by theking
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Somehow I doubt the first paragraph, especially since children tend to change the way they remember things as they grow older. Nor do I know of a tooth fairy that leaves $5 a tooth lol ;)Originally posted by Cassie
lets talk realistically here, i was never told that santa left my presents and i didnt think the tooth fairy put a 5 spot under my pillow. however, i was happy just the same to receive presents and that $5 i spent as fast as a child could spend.
do as i say, not as i do does not hold weight with children these days cause they are far smarter then we were growing up! you can reference mtv any day
shield a child yes....i agree 110%. lie to them or put them in a compromising situation (for lack of better wording), i dont agree with. hence, me not being married or having kids (not that one necessarily goes with the other).
Do as I say do holds weight in my house, since my son is smart enough to realize that if he doesn't do as I say do, he won't be doing much of anything at all... I am the parent, and he is the child.
I would have no problem lying to him about something that is inappropriate to discuss with a 12 year old, whether it had to do with this business or not. Actually I'd be more inclined to gloss over things that have nothing to do with porn -- but that's simply MY set of standards as a parent, not something that I try to foist off on others. Each person raises their child as they see fit to and that's how it works.
If you feel that you can't be married or have kids while in this business, I guess I kind of feel sorry for you more than anything.
Ok, except for pathfinder, I feel really sorry for what he's turned into and how he must feel about himself, especially reading his smut peddler posts in this thread.Comment
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Not a one of you has answered the question that I have posed multiple times.
How many of you are going to attend 7 year old "Little Johnny's" or "Little Sally's" classroom on career day and announce to the children...the teacher...and the other parents that you sell porn and/or are content?When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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Are you ashamed of what you do then?Originally posted by theking
I will post as I please...thank you very much. I do not have admiration for anyone that is a smut peddler.
So why do you do something that makes you so low in your own eyes?
What medication are you on?Comment
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no reason to feel sorry for me. this is the decision i have made that best suits my needs in addition to the fear of getting married and having kidsOriginally posted by Kimmykim
Somehow I doubt the first paragraph, especially since children tend to change the way they remember things as they grow older. Nor do I know of a tooth fairy that leaves $5 a tooth lol ;)
Do as I say do holds weight in my house, since my son is smart enough to realize that if he doesn't do as I say do, he won't be doing much of anything at all... I am the parent, and he is the child.
I would have no problem lying to him about something that is inappropriate to discuss with a 12 year old, whether it had to do with this business or not. Actually I'd be more inclined to gloss over things that have nothing to do with porn -- but that's simply MY set of standards as a parent, not something that I try to foist off on others. Each person raises their child as they see fit to and that's how it works.
If you feel that you can't be married or have kids while in this business, I guess I kind of feel sorry for you more than anything.
Ok, except for pathfinder, I feel really sorry for what he's turned into and how he must feel about himself, especially reading his smut peddler posts in this thread.
and for you king, i think i have already answered your question in this reply.ICQ: 309756847
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That does not stop theking ....Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
i would like to participate in your chat, but i'm too stupid
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Not subjecting a 7 year old to tormenting by her school chums is one thing. Being ashamed of what you do is another.Originally posted by theking
Not a one of you has answered the question that I have posed multiple times.
How many of you are going to attend 7 year old "Little Johnny's" or "Little Sally's" classroom on career day and announce to the children...the teacher...and the other parents that you sell porn and/or are content?
That CLUELESS is why no one bothered to answer your stupid question.
Now put your dick back in your pants, it may help you think clearer.Last edited by Paul Markham; 06-04-2003, 01:15 PM.Comment
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Does it of neccessity have to be one extreme or the other? There are tactful ways to put things that don't require complete and total shock.Originally posted by theking
Clueless...they may not be the lowest of the low in your society but they are in the American society. Am I to assume that you would not be ashamed to announce that you are a smut peddler on career day in your childs classroom.Comment
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i will answerOriginally posted by theking
Not a one of you has answered the question that I have posed multiple times.
How many of you are going to attend 7 year old "Little Johnny's" or "Little Sally's" classroom on career day and announce to the children...the teacher...and the other parents that you sell porn and/or are content?
first of all selling porn and being content are 2 completely different things. They have nothing in common. If you are content then yes you are in bad position in such issues. There's no point to analyze society now, neither there's a possibility things to change in the future. You accept it as it is and you try to make it sound less bad as possible.
If you are a webmaster than things are different. You are nothing more than an advertiser. I bet most people here have both income from mainstream and adult sites. Everything is up to you on how are you gonna name your business activities.Comment
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I had a porn business which I sold sometime ago and still get x percentage of the business for x number of years. I did not have any pride in being in the porn business then (it was the bottom line that counted) and I do not have pride in dabbling in it now. Because of my connection with porn I have never ran for city council or any form of public office..including the various Vetrans organizations...or private clubs that I have been a member of. Why...because the fact about my dealings in porn would probably come out and I would not be elected but in fact would be ostracized. My family hates my having been in porn...and hates the fact that I still dabble in it. They all came down on me hard when I got PF involved in it and he too took no pride in it and only the immediate family was aware that he was involved in it. None of his friends new...where as some of my closer friends know that I have been involved in it.Originally posted by charly
Are you ashamed of what you do then?
So why do you do something that makes you so low in your own eyes?
What medication are you on?
I dabble in websites to occupy my time which I have stated multiple times.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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How many people care about your stupid questions?Originally posted by theking
Not a one of you has answered the question that I have posed multiple times.
How many of you are going to attend 7 year old "Little Johnny's" or "Little Sally's" classroom on career day and announce to the children...the teacher...and the other parents that you sell porn and/or are content?
I've got a question for you mommas-boy...
Will you attend a veterans military function and proudly stand up there and announce to your fellow hazers that you are proud to produce hardcore pornography but its okay because you run down the business all day on a web bulletin board?
do us all a favor and take all the pills in that jar instead of your daily 6 or 7.Last edited by FillmoreSlim; 06-04-2003, 01:47 PM.New and Improved Chameleon Submitter 2.0 - Submit to TGP and MGP sites
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Al least your family has one thing in common with GFY. They hate you.Originally posted by theking
My family hates my having been in porn...and hates the fact that I still dabble in it. They all came down on me hard when I got PF involved in it and he too took no pride in it and only the immediate family was aware that he was involved in it.
Maybe you shouldnt have whored your dad out so easily.
Of course, all of this is coming from a guy who actually said he had never failed once in his life.Last edited by FillmoreSlim; 06-04-2003, 01:47 PM.New and Improved Chameleon Submitter 2.0 - Submit to TGP and MGP sites
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jeeze, if you guys can't even agree that sex is something completely natural and not sleazy and disgusting, how do you ever expect the main stream to accept it?XYCash Gay Affiliate Programs - Making Money For Webmasters Since 1999 - click here to sign upComment
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In other words...couch the truth. Why...could it be because you would be to embarrassed to admit the truth in front of the teacher...the other parents...and to your son or daughter's classmates? I don't think that the local police officer...or Buger King manager feels a need to couch the truth...do you?Originally posted by LadyMischief
Does it of neccessity have to be one extreme or the other? There are tactful ways to put things that don't require complete and total shock.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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all you need to know about the character known as theking...
believe it or not, he wrote this all in one thread.
Originally posted by theking
I have cut all ties with "girl friends"...I do not need...or want a women in my life ever again. FYI I am straight and always have been.Originally posted by theking
I do not hate ladies...but have zero use for sluts. I unknowingly married several of them when I was in the Army. I do not need viagra...because of my injury...having sex has become more physically painful for me than it is fun.
Originally posted by theking
I cannot recall being a personal failure at anything I have ever attempted since my first day in school...to this point.Originally posted by theking
I live with and care for my mother...who is a real lady...and holds two Masters. Even though her phsyical health is not good...her mind is sharp as a tack...so I have the only female companionship that I need at this point.New and Improved Chameleon Submitter 2.0 - Submit to TGP and MGP sites
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king if you do not like this biz, then why do you still supposedly "dabble" in it? arent you a hyporctie in your own mind? i mean really, do you have arguments in front of the mirror with yourself? i was always taught that if you dont like doing something, then DONT DO IT and if you choose to do it anyway, then you DONT HAVE THE RIGHT to condem!
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If you analyze people you will find that most practice some form of hypocricy in one respect or another. The word has been devalued as it is inappropriately over used. No I do not talk to myself. It is nice that you were taught something. I do not have the power to condemn.Originally posted by Cassie
king if you do not like this biz, then why do you still supposedly "dabble" in it? arent you a hyporctie in your own mind? i mean really, do you have arguments in front of the mirror with yourself? i was always taught that if you dont like doing something, then DONT DO IT and if you choose to do it anyway, then you DONT HAVE THE RIGHT to condem!
doesnt get any simpler a choice then that!
I have repeatedly stated that I dabble in websites to occupy my time.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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But I thought, if I remeber correctly, that when you/he died that your/his son posted your/his death at the computer on this very board.Originally posted by theking
They all came down on me hard when I got PF involved in it and he too took no pride in it and only the immediate family was aware that he was involved in it. None of his friends new...where as some of my closer friends know that I have been involved in it.
You must remember your lies if you are to maintain some credibility.
Did PF/you jerk off while surfing and do you feel bad about touching yourself looking at the dirty pictures?
What does your saintly mother think of her little boy doing such a wicked thing, being involved in porn?Comment
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so the degree of your "dabbling" gives you the ability to condem on what level exactly? you are in essence the lowest form of life in your own eyes for it doesnt matter if you hit full force or dabble, your hands are still in the cookie jar.Originally posted by theking
If you analyze people you will find that most practice some form of hypocricy in one respect or another. The word has been devalued as it is inappropriately over used. No I do not talk to myself. It is nice that you were taught something. I do not have the power to condemn.
I have repeatedly stated that I dabble in websites to occupy my time.
learn your psychology.ICQ: 309756847
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Do you have a comprehension problem? I quote "I do not have the power to condemn".Originally posted by Cassie
so the degree of your "dabbling" gives you the ability to condem on what level exactly? you are in essence the lowest form of life in your own eyes for it doesnt matter if you hit full force or dabble, your hands are still in the cookie jar.
learn your psychology.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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Most certainly not.. I have no shame in the business I run.. Of course I wouldn't want to shock THEM. It's quite a shock for some people, and coming out and saying something like "I AM A PORN PEDDLER" isn't the way I'd do it. If there was a neccessity to tell someone, I simply say "I'm in the adult industry". Wow. That was hard. Big whoopdiefucking doo. I am a photographer. I shoot erotic photography, I am also a published mainstream photographer.Originally posted by theking
In other words...couch the truth. Why...could it be because you would be to embarrassed to admit the truth in front of the teacher...the other parents...and to your son or daughter's classmates? I don't think that the local police officer...or Buger King manager feels a need to couch the truth...do you?
I tell people all the time what I do, the only reaction I've got other than "cool" is, "I bet you meet a lot of interesting people". I'm scum how?Comment
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<b>c'mon, you did condemn just a bit dont you think? What is your definition?</b>Originally posted by theking
Do you have a comprehension problem? I quote "I do not have the power to condemn".
con·demn ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kn-dm)
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-To express strong disapproval of: condemned the needless waste of food.
-To pronounce judgment against; sentence: condemned the felons to prison.
-To judge or declare to be unfit for use or consumption, usually by official order: condemn an old building.
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Then you are DEFINITELY in no position to judge, as you yourself have stated. At the same time you can't have involvement in porn and look down your nose at it. That IS hypocrasy. I'm surprised you're even here, associating with the lowest of the low. So are you reinforcing your own self-loathing by inflicting our evil presences upon yourself? Why the hell are you here then?Originally posted by theking
If you analyze people you will find that most practice some form of hypocricy in one respect or another. The word has been devalued as it is inappropriately over used. No I do not talk to myself. It is nice that you were taught something. I do not have the power to condemn.
I have repeatedly stated that I dabble in websites to occupy my time.Comment
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this question has to be one of the silliest things i've ever seen in my life. Why would any adult that is capable of having children and capable of raising them well not have them just because they're in the porn business. You have to use your head no matter what business you're in. I mean would you take an 8 year old to the morgue to watch you embalm a dead body if you were a mortician. Probably not it would tend to give the kid nightmares I should think. I have 3 beautiful kids that are 6, 7 and 20. As far as they're concerned and know I build and design website projects and maintain a few sites. I do not work on anything that has to do with nudity if they are home or awake. I wait to do any work that they may view that's not appropriate until they are at school, daycare or asleep. Besides being a webmaster or even entertainer full time why couldn't you use a daycare just like millions of other people that are employed. You have to know what your child should be exposed to and what they shouldn't be exposed to and act accordingly. My 10 year old is starting to ask questions about sex and things like that. I will inform her of the good and the bad and what porn is about and why people enjoy it. If she decides to become an adult entertainer I will tell her the same thing I tell her about coloring her hair blue or getting a tattoo. "I would prefer you not do that but when you move out of my home AFTER you have finished college it is your choice." and I will leave it at that. You can't control what they do as an adult but you don't have to contribute to it by being negligent.Comment
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So why do you inflict such harm on the people who love you, your family. Why do you hurt your mother by being in porn?Originally posted by theking
I had a porn business which I sold sometime ago and still get x percentage of the business for x number of years. I did not have any pride in being in the porn business then (it was the bottom line that counted) and I do not have pride in dabbling in it now. Because of my connection with porn I have never ran for city council or any form of public office..including the various Vetrans organizations...or private clubs that I have been a member of. Why...because the fact about my dealings in porn would probably come out and I would not be elected but in fact would be ostracized. My family hates my having been in porn...and hates the fact that I still dabble in it.
I dabble in websites to occupy my time which I have stated multiple times.
You say it's not for the money, so why be so hateful towards your mother? I'm lucky in that my mother knows what I do for a living, in fact she has even delivered sets of mine to Hustler, she has no problem with it.
You on the other hand do something that your family hates, for money no you don?t need it. To hurt them, maybe or are you addicted to jerking off to porn?
Why do you continue to dabble in something that your family hates?
He is inflicting it on his family, for no other reason than entertainment. This is true evil.So are you reinforcing your own self-loathing by inflicting our evil presences upon yourself? Why the hell are you here thenLast edited by Paul Markham; 06-04-2003, 02:05 PM.Comment
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My brother posted at the time of his death. What is the lie that you are referring to?Originally posted by charly
But I thought, if I remeber correctly, that when you/he died that your/his son posted your/his death at the computer on this very board.
You must remember your lies if you are to maintain some credibility.
Did PF/you jerk off while surfing and do you feel bad about touching yourself looking at the dirty pictures?
What does your saintly mother think of her little boy doing such a wicked thing, being involved in porn?
Pictures do nothing for me and have not since I was a kid. I have already stated that my family (which includes my mother) has always hated my having and being invovled with porn. Why is it that you never understand what you read...oh yeah...you are clueless.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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Then why open your damn fool mouth and do just that? I'd have to say your earlier post was pretty condemning, and basically stated that we are all lowlifes and shouldn't be parents. I take exception to that, as I know and anyone who knows me knows that there's nothing I love more than being a mother, and I believe I'm a good mother who tries hard for my children. My "job" does NOT define my parenting skills.Originally posted by theking
Do you have a comprehension problem? I quote "I do not have the power to condemn".Comment
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Because you arent his mother.Originally posted by LadyMischief
I tell people all the time what I do, the only reaction I've got other than "cool" is, "I bet you meet a lot of interesting people". I'm scum how?
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why would you explain to 7 year olds what porn is to begin with... you dont go...fucking simple answer...Originally posted by theking
Not a one of you has answered the question that I have posed multiple times.
How many of you are going to attend 7 year old "Little Johnny's" or "Little Sally's" classroom on career day and announce to the children...the teacher...and the other parents that you sell porn and/or are content?
in all my years as a child..we never had "career" day ..and in all my years as a mom.. i never heard of kids haveing "career" day. Are you still watching re runs of happy days or something ?
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Since I have been an adult I have done as I choose and I am far to old and have been independent far to long to be dictated to by my family which includes my mother. It is no longer a matter of family discussion or critisism. The family made their point and I made mine. I occupy my time as I choose, not as my family chooses. My mother listens to Elvis Presely records almost daily, which I have grown to hate, but I still love my mother.Originally posted by charly
So why do you inflict such harm on the people who love you, your family. Why do you hurt your mother by being in porn?
You say it's not for the money, so why be so hateful towards your mother? I'm lucky in that my mother knows what I do for a living, in fact she has even delivered sets of mine to Hustler, she has no problem with it.
You on the other hand do something that your family hates, for money no you don?t need it. To hurt them, maybe or are you addicted to jerking off to porn?
Why do you continue to dabble in something that your family hates?When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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