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  • Groove
    Confirmed User
    • Jan 2003
    • 3852
    #101
    Originally posted by Kimmykim
    This is beyond stupid.

    Serge should be on a list but not with those idiots.
    He nominated himself, LOL

    But I am open to suggestions for a replacement nominee.

    Surely you have a suggestion or two KK?
    Last edited by Groove; 06-03-2003, 09:35 PM.

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      • Kimmykim
        bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
        • Jun 2001
        • 16015
        #102
        You don't have a clear definition of ethics versus morals I hate to say, so you're nominations are not right.

        Hell a serial killer can have great ethics.

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          • Groove
            Confirmed User
            • Jan 2003
            • 3852
            #103
            Originally posted by Kimmykim
            You don't have a clear definition of ethics versus morals I hate to say, so you're nominations are not right.
            More often than not, the terms "ethics" and "morals" can be used synonymously. For example look at this dictionary definition:

            eth?ics

            Pronunciation: (eth'iks), [key]
            ?n.pl.
            1. (used with a sing. or pl. v.) a system of moral principles: the ethics of a culture.
            2. the rules of conduct recognized in respect to a particular class of human actions or a particular group, culture, etc.: medical ethics; Christian ethics.
            3. moral principles, as of an individual: His ethics forbade betrayal of a confidence.
            4. (usually used with a sing. v.) that branch of philosophy dealing with values relating to human conduct, with respect to the rightness and wrongness of certain actions and to the goodness and badness of the motives and ends of such actions. Cf. axiological ethics, deontological ethics.
            I agree that I haven't defined what system of ethical/moral principles should govern the Sobe Awards, but it would be impossible to do so succinctly. And besides, I would hate to see any truly worthy candidates slip through the cracks on the basis of a semantic technicality. I did however provide some examples of unethical people, "thieves, rapists, spammers and con-artists". All of the short-listed nominees appear to fit one or more of these categories

            Hell a serial killer can have great ethics.
            Really?
            Last edited by Groove; 06-03-2003, 10:09 PM.

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              • Kimmykim
                bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                • Jun 2001
                • 16015
                #104
                Originally posted by Groove


                Really?
                Absolutely. I don't think that morals and ethics are at all interchangeable, not from the strict definition of either.

                Morals are what you think OF things, ethics are the way you going about DOING things.

                For instance, you are an attorney -- a defense attorney to be specific.

                You are selected by your office to defend someone who bombed an abortion clinic allegedly.

                You don't believe in abortion and you think the guy is guilty.

                This is morals.

                You go before the jury etc and you present them with reasonable doubt, your client is gets a not guilty verdict because you've done the best job you could for your client.

                This is ethics.

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                  • Groove
                    Confirmed User
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 3852
                    #105
                    Originally posted by Kimmykim
                    Absolutely. I don't think that morals and ethics are at all interchangeable, not from the strict definition of either.
                    Then why does the very first definition in the dictionary say:

                    a system of moral principles
                    Is the dictionary wrong?

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                      • baddog
                        So Fucking Banned
                        • Apr 2001
                        • 107089
                        #106
                        Originally posted by Kimmykim


                        Absolutely. I don't think that morals and ethics are at all interchangeable, not from the strict definition of either.

                        Morals are what you think OF things, ethics are the way you going about DOING things.

                        For instance, you are an attorney -- a defense attorney to be specific.

                        You are selected by your office to defend someone who bombed an abortion clinic allegedly.

                        You don't believe in abortion and you think the guy is guilty.

                        This is morals.
                        Sorry KK, I think your example is really bad here, and I was really expecting you to come up with a convincing counter-point. I mean, there are so many other factors involved in your scenario.

                        An attorney, especially a defense attorney, has to put aside moral values and ethics before even getting into the profession. There are legal and professional considerations they need to worry about when being a defense attorney, and if you are going to let things like guilt get in the way of providing the best defense, then you should become a prosecuting attorney instead.

                        Someone that does not like blood does not enter employment as an emergency room nurse.

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                          • Dravyk
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                            • Jan 2001
                            • 1202
                            #107
                            No matter who wins, I'm sure his first name will be Steve
                            If that's a hint at Steve Goldman (among his many aliases), I totally agree. In fact he should be FIRST on the list!
                            All Of 'Em

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                              • Groove
                                Confirmed User
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 3852
                                #108
                                Originally posted by Dravyk


                                If that's a hint at Steve Goldman (among his many aliases), I totally agree. In fact he should be FIRST on the list!
                                Sounds good

                                Please provide nick/s + details of his evil deeds.

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                                  • Fletch XXX
                                    GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                    • Jan 2002
                                    • 60840
                                    #109
                                    most killers have the best ethics.


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                                      • baddog
                                        So Fucking Banned
                                        • Apr 2001
                                        • 107089
                                        #110
                                        Originally posted by Dravyk


                                        If that's a hint at Steve Goldman (among his many aliases), I totally agree. In fact he should be FIRST on the list!
                                        good call

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                                          • Dravyk
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Jan 2001
                                            • 1202
                                            #111
                                            BD, we keep agreeing on things! hehe

                                            Groove, here, this says it all ... actually that's only about two-thirds of it but it will do. http://galleryspots.com/cheats/steve/stevegoldman.htm
                                            All Of 'Em

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                                              • Gutterboy
                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                • Jul 2002
                                                • 4751
                                                #112
                                                Originally posted by baddog
                                                Sorry KK, I think your example is really bad here, and I was really expecting you to come up with a convincing counter-point. I mean, there are so many other factors involved in your scenario.

                                                An attorney, especially a defense attorney, has to put aside moral values and ethics before even getting into the profession. There are legal and professional considerations they need to worry about when being a defense attorney, and if you are going to let things like guilt get in the way of providing the best defense, then you should become a prosecuting attorney instead.
                                                You're just equivocating morals and ethics all over again. The Lawyer has morals, but the "legal and professional considerations" as you put it are his professional ethics.
                                                Last edited by Gutterboy; 06-03-2003, 11:38 PM.

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                                                  • Groove
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Jan 2003
                                                    • 3852
                                                    #113
                                                    WOW! Goldman's definitely a contender

                                                    My revised short list is:

                                                    • lil2rich4u2 - for his shameless thieving.
                                                    • SoBeGirl - for reneging on agreements and spamming.
                                                    • SonOfRage - for being an unrepentant rapist.
                                                    • Steve Goldman - for being a major scammer.


                                                    Other nominations are still welcome

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                                                      • quiet
                                                        we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                                                        • Sep 2001
                                                        • 25115
                                                        #114
                                                        *sigh*
                                                        we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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                                                          • Groove
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Jan 2003
                                                            • 3852
                                                            #115
                                                            Mmmm, possible problem...

                                                            Is Steve Goldman a "GFY Member"?

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                                                              • baddog
                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                • Apr 2001
                                                                • 107089
                                                                #116
                                                                Originally posted by Groove
                                                                Mmmm, possible problem...

                                                                Is Steve Goldman a "GFY Member"?
                                                                well, the pattern is he scams, he gets caught, he retires forever, he returns under a different alias.

                                                                hard to say what stage he may be in right now. if he is not here now, he will be back.

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                                                                  • baddog
                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                    • Apr 2001
                                                                    • 107089
                                                                    #117
                                                                    Originally posted by Gutterboy


                                                                    You're just equivocating morals and ethics all over again. The Lawyer has morals, but the "legal and professional considerations" as you put it are his professional ethics.
                                                                    Are ethics responsibilities? A lawyer has legal and professional duties, ethics be damned

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                                                                      • baddog
                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                        • Apr 2001
                                                                        • 107089
                                                                        #118
                                                                        Originally posted by Dravyk
                                                                        BD, we keep agreeing on things! hehe
                                                                        I am sure if we work at it, we can find something to disagree on . . . . how about this: Ginger or Mary Ann?

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                                                                          • Dravyk
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Jan 2001
                                                                            • 1202
                                                                            #119
                                                                            LOL, BD!!!


                                                                            No brainer! MaryAnn all the way!!!!


                                                                            You? ... And no write-ins for Mrs. Howe please!
                                                                            All Of 'Em

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                                                                              • baddog
                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                • Apr 2001
                                                                                • 107089
                                                                                #120
                                                                                Originally posted by Dravyk
                                                                                LOL, BD!!!


                                                                                No brainer! MaryAnn all the way!!!!


                                                                                You? ... And no write-ins for Mrs. Howe please!
                                                                                Mary Ann all the way as you can read here (second to the last question)

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                                                                                  • Dravyk
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                                    • 1202
                                                                                    #121
                                                                                    Nice interview there, PD!

                                                                                    While we're trading ... here's a nice interview they did on my partner, Electra.

                                                                                    They didn't ask her the same question though.
                                                                                    All Of 'Em

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                                                                                      • baddog
                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                        • Apr 2001
                                                                                        • 107089
                                                                                        #122
                                                                                        Originally posted by Dravyk
                                                                                        Nice interview there, PD!
                                                                                        PD? wrong dog

                                                                                        and yeah, I caught her interview when it came out.

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                                                                                          • Groove
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Jan 2003
                                                                                            • 3852
                                                                                            #123
                                                                                            Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                            well, the pattern is he scams, he gets caught, he retires forever, he returns under a different alias.

                                                                                            hard to say what stage he may be in right now. if he is not here now, he will be back.
                                                                                            I suppose we could make the Sobes open to both current and former GFY members. But this could disadvantage some of our current members. I'd hate to see a situation where Sobe or lil2rich4u2 didn't even receive a nomination! For example, what about this sasush guy, does he deserve a nomination too? Maybe I should make it five nominees with no more than two former members? That way at least the current delinquents will be in the majority

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                                                                                              • Groove
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Jan 2003
                                                                                                • 3852
                                                                                                #124
                                                                                                *bump* Any more nominations?

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                                                                                                  • SoBeGirl Video
                                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                                                                    • 2493
                                                                                                    #125
                                                                                                    No, the SoBe Award should be for current members only. What is this a frikin museum? Current members only....

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                                                                                                      • Groove
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                                                                                                        • Jan 2003
                                                                                                        • 3852
                                                                                                        #126
                                                                                                        Originally posted by SoBeGirl Video
                                                                                                        No, the SoBe Award should be for current members only. What is this a frikin museum? Current members only....
                                                                                                        I'm inclined to agree with you Sobe. But that would leave us short one nominee.

                                                                                                        If we have:


                                                                                                        1) lil2rich4u2
                                                                                                        2) SoBeGirl
                                                                                                        3) SonOfRage
                                                                                                        4) ????


                                                                                                        Who should be our fourth nominee?

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                                                                                                          • SureFire
                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                            • Jan 2003
                                                                                                            • 4398
                                                                                                            #127
                                                                                                            Originally posted by Groove


                                                                                                            I'm inclined to agree with you Sobe. But that would leave us short one nominee.

                                                                                                            If we have:


                                                                                                            1) lil2rich4u2
                                                                                                            2) SoBeGirl
                                                                                                            3) SonOfRage
                                                                                                            4) ????


                                                                                                            Who should be our fourth nominee?
                                                                                                            So we are talking about the present, how about charly?

                                                                                                            BTW, SonOFRage should be number one.

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                                                                                                              • Groove
                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                • 3852
                                                                                                                #128
                                                                                                                Originally posted by SureFire
                                                                                                                So we are talking about the present, how about charly?
                                                                                                                Charly might be an asshole, but is he sufficiently unethical?

                                                                                                                Originally posted by SureFire

                                                                                                                BTW, SonOFRage should be number one.
                                                                                                                They're listed alphabetically.

                                                                                                                The final order, and the winner, will be determined by a poll.

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                                                                                                                  • Groove
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                                                                                                                    • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                    • 3852
                                                                                                                    #129
                                                                                                                    OK, I nominate the(G)thang for spamming porn to children.

                                                                                                                    Anyone got any better nominations?

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                                                                                                                      • SoBeGirl Video
                                                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                        • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                        • 2493
                                                                                                                        #130
                                                                                                                        Did I win yet?

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                                                                                                                          • JFPdude
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                                                                                                                            • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                            • 4027
                                                                                                                            #131
                                                                                                                            Sorry sobe I know you wanted this prize but in light of recent events there is a new winner ...


                                                                                                                            Nick Tukhman of likewhoa took the prize when he lied to all his customers and took all thier businesses down the tubes with his business.

                                                                                                                            If there ever was an unethical move on a business owners part that took the cake.

                                                                                                                            You would have to do something really amazing to top what we seen today.

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                                                                                                                              • Alex From San Diego
                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                • May 2001
                                                                                                                                • 1642
                                                                                                                                #132
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by JFPdude
                                                                                                                                Sorry sobe I know you wanted this prize but in light of recent events there is a new winner ...


                                                                                                                                Nick Tukhman of likewhoa took the prize when he lied to all his customers and took all thier businesses down the tubes with his business.

                                                                                                                                If there ever was an unethical move on a business owners part that took the cake.

                                                                                                                                You would have to do something really amazing to top what we seen today.
                                                                                                                                Congrats Nick...you always wanted to be a winner....
                                                                                                                                We are what we repeatedly do.-Aristotle

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                                                                                                                                  • MetaMan
                                                                                                                                    I AM WEB 2.0
                                                                                                                                    • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                    • 28682
                                                                                                                                    #133
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Alex From San Diego


                                                                                                                                    Congrats Nick...you always wanted to be a winner....
                                                                                                                                    lol ppl deserve it for hosting with a company called likewhoah,
                                                                                                                                    imma start a program called super phat raqs

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                                                                                                                                      • Groove
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                                                                                                                                        • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                        • 3852
                                                                                                                                        #134
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by JFPdude
                                                                                                                                        Sorry sobe I know you wanted this prize but in light of recent events there is a new winner ...


                                                                                                                                        Nick Tukhman of likewhoa took the prize when he lied to all his customers and took all thier businesses down the tubes with his business.

                                                                                                                                        If there ever was an unethical move on a business owners part that took the cake.

                                                                                                                                        You would have to do something really amazing to top what we seen today.
                                                                                                                                        I agree that Tukman is a worthy candidate

                                                                                                                                        So the short-listed nominees are:


                                                                                                                                        lil2rich4u2
                                                                                                                                        SoBeGirl
                                                                                                                                        SonOfRage
                                                                                                                                        Tukhman


                                                                                                                                        Nominations are now CLOSED.

                                                                                                                                        A poll will commence shortly.

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                                                                                                                                          • SoBeGirl Video
                                                                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                            • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                                            • 2493
                                                                                                                                            #135
                                                                                                                                            Anyone want to buy www.realitybasedreality.com

                                                                                                                                            I have it for sale for 1000 dollars.

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                                                                                                                                              • Groove
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                                                                                                                                                • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                                • 3852
                                                                                                                                                #136
                                                                                                                                                The poll can be found here:

                                                                                                                                                http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=140690

                                                                                                                                                Polling will last for just 48-hours.

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                                                                                                                                                  • AM Jeff
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                                                                                                                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                    • 1320
                                                                                                                                                    #137
                                                                                                                                                    Lovematch gets my nomination for fuck up of the century...lol

                                                                                                                                                    Get a 2 Million dollar judgment against him for ripping people off, deflaming a company, stealing content, scripts and then reselling them. Then not showing up for the hearing and getting a default Judgment against him.
                                                                                                                                                    Which is still denies..lolol

                                                                                                                                                    Then, to act like he is innocent and still tries to show his face on here.
                                                                                                                                                    But, ins't everyone is prison, innocent? lol

                                                                                                                                                    Now, if Lovematch isn't a fuckup. I dunno what is.

                                                                                                                                                    Feel the Rage Motherfucker. It's Coming Soon to a Browser near you.

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                                                                                                                                                      • Groove
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                                                                                                                                                        • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                                        • 3852
                                                                                                                                                        #138
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by AM Jeff
                                                                                                                                                        Lovematch gets my nomination for fuck up of the century...lol

                                                                                                                                                        Get a 2 Million dollar judgment against him for ripping people off, deflaming a company, stealing content, scripts and then reselling them. Then not showing up for the hearing and getting a default Judgment against him.
                                                                                                                                                        Which is still denies..lolol

                                                                                                                                                        Then, to act like he is innocent and still tries to show his face on here.
                                                                                                                                                        But, ins't everyone is prison, innocent? lol

                                                                                                                                                        Now, if Lovematch isn't a fuckup. I dunno what is.
                                                                                                                                                        Sorry, nominations are closed...

                                                                                                                                                        Polling is closed...

                                                                                                                                                        And SoBeGirl is the winner...

                                                                                                                                                        See sig:

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                                                                                                                                                          • LoveMatch
                                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                            • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                                            • 426
                                                                                                                                                            #139
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by AM Jeff
                                                                                                                                                            Lovematch gets my nomination for fuck up of the century...lol

                                                                                                                                                            Get a 2 Million dollar judgment against him for ripping people off, deflaming a company, stealing content, scripts and then reselling them. Then not showing up for the hearing and getting a default Judgment against him.
                                                                                                                                                            Which is still denies..lolol

                                                                                                                                                            Then, to act like he is innocent and still tries to show his face on here.
                                                                                                                                                            But, ins't everyone is prison, innocent? lol

                                                                                                                                                            Now, if Lovematch isn't a fuckup. I dunno what is.


















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