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  • Route66
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    • May 2003
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    #1

    Musicians Against Rap

    Musicians Against Rap

    It's a group of musicians that think rap is hurting the music scene. I just thought I'd invite you to check it out. I just started it myself a few minutes ago . I have this strange feeling it will start a bunch of shit. I hope this isn't considered spam here, since I'm not selling anything and although it does have a message board, it's a group, not a discussion BBS.

    People get all excited when you trash thier music, politics or religion.

    The basic premise is that rappers aren't really musicians or singers at all and that rap shouldn't be classified as music, but rather poetry with a soundtrack, just like movies.

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  • TDF
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    • Mar 2002
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    #2
    well....I can make the same retort about certain heavy rock bands...but to do so would be plain stupid.
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    • NBDesign
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      • Jan 2003
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      #3
      music is like design... it's all about personal preferance.

      Personally, I think, most, not all, rappers are rip off artists... sampling others music with their rhymes. Please, they are talkers, not singers.

      Sting, Chris Cornell, Prince, for examples... they are true musicians, original music and lyrics plus variety in their styles... that is what makes a good musician.

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      • smack
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        • Mar 2002
        • 10652

        #4
        anything with rythm and beat is music.
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        • gruffy
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          • Feb 2003
          • 776

          #5
          Mainstream rap is bullshit, just like pop, and short haired jump metal bands.

          Why single out rap? At least that shit is funny.

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          • NBDesign
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            • Jan 2003
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            #6
            Only thing worse than rap is country

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            • TDF
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              • Mar 2002
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              #7
              Originally posted by NBDesign
              Only thing worse than rap is country


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              • NBDesign
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                #8
                Originally posted by NBDesign
                Only thing worse than rap is country
                or White rappers

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                • nocostporn
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Route66
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                  The basic premise is that rappers aren't really musicians or singers at all and that rap shouldn't be classified as music, but rather poetry with a soundtrack, just like movies.


                  what an idiot..isn't that what ALL music is? poetry over noise?
                  You should go read up on where music orginated from and how it started..you might be surprised...Just a hint,it wasn't some guy on an electric guitar screaming over some other guy with no rhythm beating the fuck out of some drums

                  A lot of rap is bullshit,any REAL rap fan will tell you that..just like any rock fan will tell you limp bizkit is bullshit..or any REAL singer will tell you the backstreet boys are bullshit

                  I'll try to give you some songs that even if you hate rap you could appreaciate the production of the music..I've got a ceelo cd in now so thats what you're going to sample
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                  • rooster
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                    • Jan 2003
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                    #10
                    rap is a juvenille musical form. As Britney and Avril are packaged to young girls, Eminem and 50 cent are packaged to 14 year old white boys that want to give the world the finger.
                    Ever notice that pretty much everything added to the Constitution after the original was a mistake.

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                    • DarkBob
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                      • Jun 2001
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by NBDesign
                      Only thing worse than rap is country
                      except for Johnny Cash
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                      • NBDesign
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                        • Jan 2003
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by DarkBob

                        except for Johnny Cash

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                        • FillmoreSlim
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                          • May 2003
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                          #13
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                          • Route66
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                            • May 2003
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                            #14
                            Actually, I don't hate rap at all. It's like what paysite owners feel about TGP. It's bad for business. DJ's are cheaper and have taken 50% if not more of the gigs bands could and would have played.

                            When you drive down the road and come to a stop light and next to you is a low rider with tinted windows and a loud booming coming from the car, not only is it annoying, but they are automatically placed in your mind as gang or drug dealers and I personally have no respect for any type of music that's funded largely by pimps and drug dealers and go around shooting each other and thinking it's cool. (Besides making themselves look uneducated by the way they talk and act.)

                            Music IS personal preference, but to real musicians (not general public) rap is an insult to true artistry and talent.
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                            • nocostporn
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Route66
                              Actually, I don't hate rap at all. It's like what paysite owners feel about TGP. It's bad for business. DJ's are cheaper and have taken 50% if not more of the gigs bands could and would have played.

                              When you drive down the road and come to a stop light and next to you is a low rider with tinted windows and a loud booming coming from the car, not only is it annoying, but they are automatically placed in your mind as gang or drug dealers and I personally have no respect for any type of music that's funded largely by pimps and drug dealers and go around shooting each other and thinking it's cool. (Besides making themselves look uneducated by the way they talk and act.)

                              Music IS personal preference, but to real musicians (not general public) rap is an insult to true artistry and talent.

                              hmmm and what did your parents have to say about the generation you grew up in?... Because as you can see,you've turned into them
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                              • nocostporn
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by rooster
                                rap is a juvenille musical form. As Britney and Avril are packaged to young girls, Eminem and 50 cent are packaged to 14 year old white boys that want to give the world the finger.

                                it is now,mainstream is,but whos packaging it? white people go attack the money hungry record executives and a&r reps who to me,have ruined a culture...You say they're ruining the suburbs by bringing rap music to the masses,I think they ruined the hiphop culture...so maybe we do agree on something
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                                • xxxdesign-net
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                                  • Nov 2002
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by rooster
                                  rap is a juvenille musical form. As Britney and Avril are packaged to young girls, Eminem and 50 cent are packaged to 14 year old white boys that want to give the world the finger.
                                  uh, yes, some 30y/o rappers are acting like 15y/o to sell records..

                                  But dont confuse music with lyrics or image...

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                                  • xxxdesign-net
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                                    • Nov 2002
                                    • 10129

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by rooster
                                    rap is a juvenille musical form. As Britney and Avril are packaged to young girls, Eminem and 50 cent are packaged to 14 year old white boys that want to give the world the finger.
                                    Btw, your Toby keith? Packaged for whom? Immature white male that want to give the REST of the world the finger!
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                                    • h0st
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                                      #19




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                                      • iroc409
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                                        • Jan 2003
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                                        #20
                                        i like everything but country music.


                                        but, admittedly remixes are starting to get a little annoying. sometimes new artists will have the remix released before the actual song. it's getting pretty lame in that department, as history progresses it does seem to be getting much harder to find original music.

                                        hell, look at "house of the rising sun"... it was a remix from the 1900's.

                                        so much of current pop artists and whatnot remix and use lyrics from other songs, it's more like they're manufactured than given birth as they should be. and they use the modular theory like in programming. everything's interchangable.


                                        but, i have nothing against any genre but country. maybe because i started out in the country.
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                                        • Route66
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                                          • May 2003
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                                          #21
                                          Maybe a few of you with opinions would express them on my site?

                                          Musicians Against Rap and Re-mix

                                          An opinion isn't very valid without an opposing counterbalance.

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                                          • FlyingIguana
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                                            • Mar 2002
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by NBDesign
                                            music is like design... it's all about personal preferance.

                                            Personally, I think, most, not all, rappers are rip off artists... sampling others music with their rhymes. Please, they are talkers, not singers.

                                            Sting, Chris Cornell, Prince, for examples... they are true musicians, original music and lyrics plus variety in their styles... that is what makes a good musician.

                                            Again... just my opinion.
                                            rappers are just as much musicians as those stiffs you mentioned. some people like them, others don't.

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                                            • NBDesign
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                                              • Jan 2003
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by FlyingIguana


                                              rappers are just as much musicians as those stiffs you mentioned. some people like them, others don't.


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                                              • nocostporn
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by NBDesign




                                                You are too funny... please... stop... you're killing me....

                                                so Sting is more of a musician than ummm Rza..because why? he plays the guitar? he sings? what? I know plenty of MC's that sing,play the guitar and even the classical piano...why is one more of a mucisian than the other?....basically because it's not your taste of music,bottomline
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                                                • beemk
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by rooster
                                                  rap is a juvenille musical form. As Britney and Avril are packaged to young girls, Eminem and 50 cent are packaged to 14 year old white boys that want to give the world the finger.
                                                  so according to your theory, eminem and 50 cents are the only rap artists in existance? am i correct?
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                                                  • nocostporn
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by beemk


                                                    so according to your theory, eminem and 50 cents are the only rap artists in existance? am i correct?
                                                    it's the only albums he bought so he could attract the 14 year old boys
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                                                    • Herb Kornfield
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                                                      • Sep 2002
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                                                      #27
                                                      Censoring someone's art is a moral outrage.

                                                      At one time impressisonist painters were outcasts, had to exhibit in garages, now they all hang in major galleries.

                                                      Rap is a form of art that is as valid as anything else out there. Self expression is the key to happiness.

                                                      Just turn the station if you dont like it.

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                                                      • eddie-executive
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                                                        • Apr 2003
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                                                        #28
                                                        rap outsells any other music out there it won't go anywhere. 50cent sold 1.5 million cds in 3 days and 5 million in a week and a half. Nelly when he first came out sold 10 million records on his debut album in 6 weeks.
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                                                        • Socks
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                                                          #29
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                                                          • nofx
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                                                            • Nov 2002
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                                                            #30
                                                            of course this dude is going to hate rap, the website in his profile is "http://fastguns.us" a country music site. he is probably just some fat racist kid who's daddy told him black people are bad. His site is hosting on aol anyway, thats not a surprise.

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                                                            • Dj Furious
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Route66

                                                              When you drive down the road and come to a stop light and next to you is a low rider with tinted windows and a loud booming coming from the car, not only is it annoying, but they are automatically placed in your mind as gang or drug dealers and I personally have no respect for any type of music that's funded largely by pimps and drug dealers and go around shooting each other and thinking it's cool.
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                                                              • nocostporn
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by eddie-executive
                                                                rap outsells any other music out there it won't go anywhere. 50cent sold 1.5 million cds in 3 days and 5 million in a week and a half. Nelly when he first came out sold 10 million records on his debut album in 6 weeks.
                                                                negative..your #'s are a little off but nonetheless good point
                                                                it's the music of the world now,just like every generation has...and it's always hated by the older crowd
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                                                                • FlyingIguana
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by NBDesign




                                                                  You are too funny... please... stop... you're killing me....
                                                                  so its only music if you say it is? thats just dumb

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                                                                  • rooster
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                                                                    • Jan 2003
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    I would think to be a musician a person needs to either a) be able to sing and/or b) be able to play an instrument.

                                                                    Talking over machine generated beats, and sampling from actual bands like aerosmith, is a pretty low form of music.
                                                                    Ever notice that pretty much everything added to the Constitution after the original was a mistake.

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                                                                    • nocostporn
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by rooster
                                                                      I would think to be a musician a person needs to either a) be able to sing and/or b) be able to play an instrument.

                                                                      Talking over machine generated beats, and sampling from actual bands like aerosmith, is a pretty low form of music.
                                                                      so if the MC plays an instrument or sings,he's a musician?..Theres plenty of them that can and do...but whats the difference between signing the words and saying them?...Thats like saying spoken word poetry isn't poetry unless it rhymes...where do you people come up with these standards as to what music is?
                                                                      There is only one continent music orginated from,everything else has been a ripoff..should I say it's not music? never
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                                                                      • NBDesign
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by nocostporn



                                                                        so Sting is more of a musician than ummm Rza..because why? he plays the guitar? he sings? what? I know plenty of MC's that sing,play the guitar and even the classical piano...why is one more of a mucisian than the other?....basically because it's not your taste of music,bottomline
                                                                        No, it's not a matter of taste... look at his accomplishments in the industry, and variety in style... and lets not forget... talent.

                                                                        Hmmm, wasn't there a rapper that sampled one of his songs?

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                                                                        • NBDesign
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by FlyingIguana


                                                                          so its only music if you say it is? thats just dumb
                                                                          Never said it was not music... it is music... just not good music.. again... it's all a matter of personal taste.

                                                                          Hell, I listen to a lot of shit I am sure no one here would like let alone consider music...

                                                                          Go to kazza and download a few songs by Coil.... they are way out there, but being a rap fan, I am sure you would hate it.

                                                                          Hey, I like anything that is good... including opera. I just do not think rap is good nor do I think that any of them have any talent... except maybe for Snoop Dog.

                                                                          Again... this is just my personal opinion and taste.

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                                                                          • nocostporn
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by NBDesign


                                                                            No, it's not a matter of taste... look at his accomplishments in the industry, and variety in style... and lets not forget... talent.

                                                                            Hmmm, wasn't there a rapper that sampled one of his songs?

                                                                            accomplishments = sales,awards and money? indeed,Sting has all of that and than some...That soft rock shit has been around forever though,rap music really didn't do ANYTHING until the mid 90's as far as sales... Sampling? big deal... Rob Zombie just sampled brick house and put a rapping female on there,wtf? Lenny Kravitz called on Earthtone3 to remix some of his songs,no doubt too... Recorded music has been around for awhile,theres only so many cords that can be played,nothing wrong with sampling,in a lot instances it happens by mistake
                                                                            The guy who invented the typewriter would be bitching about the computer age,it's called evolution...Machines are everything,we should use them to make music too

                                                                            and yeah,finally you see,it's a matter of taste as to what people call music...Me personally,I grew up on rap music..but I respect and listen to any and every kind of music,including Sting...The good thing about people who listen to rap music,we aren't closed minded
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                                                                            • nocostporn
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by NBDesign

                                                                              I just do not think rap is good nor do I think that any of them have any talent... except maybe for Snoop Dog.

                                                                              lol you're a very strange guy..Snoop Dog #1 is the most stereotypical rapper you can think of...#2 he's not too talented my man... Theres a difference between a good MC and a rapper who makes the geeky white person smile and tap his foot(off beat of course lol)

                                                                              dude i tell ya what,catch me on icq tomorrow,think you've got me on your list..I'll give you some songs,songs I know you can handle and I promise you,you will at least respect the music
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                                                                              • NBDesign
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by nocostporn


                                                                                lol you're a very strange guy..Snoop Dog #1 is the most stereotypical rapper you can think of...#2 he's not too talented my man... Theres a difference between a good MC and a rapper who makes the geeky white person smile and tap his foot(off beat of course lol)

                                                                                dude i tell ya what,catch me on icq tomorrow,think you've got me on your list..I'll give you some songs,songs I know you can handle and I promise you,you will at least respect the music
                                                                                Never said I didn't respect the music... I just said that it is not my taste. You are correct... I do not listen to it so I do not know all the rappers out there nor their music... I know what I semi hear before I change the station.. and what I semi hear I do not like.

                                                                                Please, puff daddy, pee diddy or what ever the fuck he calls himself these days... sampling a Led Zepplin song.. shit man, that was just plain wrong.

                                                                                I think these rapper who sample the mainstream music in their songs are just looking for acceptance in the white world.

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                                                                                • NBDesign
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  I actually like Ice-T too Cop Killer was awesome.

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                                                                                  • nocostporn
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by NBDesign



                                                                                    I think these rapper who sample the mainstream music in their songs are just looking for acceptance in the white world.

                                                                                    won't argue with you there...it's the white money not the white people


                                                                                    just catch me tomorrow...I actually have some stuff that you'll like and can convert anybody
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                                                                                    • NBDesign
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by nocostporn



                                                                                      won't argue with you there...it's the white money not the white people


                                                                                      just catch me tomorrow...I actually have some stuff that you'll like and can convert anybody
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                                                                                      • FlyingIguana
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by NBDesign


                                                                                        Never said it was not music... it is music... just not good music.. again... it's all a matter of personal taste.

                                                                                        Hell, I listen to a lot of shit I am sure no one here would like let alone consider music...

                                                                                        Go to kazza and download a few songs by Coil.... they are way out there, but being a rap fan, I am sure you would hate it.

                                                                                        Hey, I like anything that is good... including opera. I just do not think rap is good nor do I think that any of them have any talent... except maybe for Snoop Dog.

                                                                                        Again... this is just my personal opinion and taste.
                                                                                        most rap groups suck imo, i mainly listen to r&b. but they do have talent. music doesn't have to be exactly the same to be considered good.

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                                                                                        • NBDesign
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by FlyingIguana


                                                                                          most rap groups suck imo, i mainly listen to r&b. but they do have talent. music doesn't have to be exactly the same to be considered good.
                                                                                          I really like a lot of R&B... and Jazz. I am a real big Prince fan... I know.. Me a total rocker with hair down way past my shoulders listening to Prince...

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                                                                                          • nocostporn
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            you like prince?..Now I know I've got some rap you'll like



                                                                                            you like his music right? not his sexy man ass dimples? just wanna clarify
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by nocostporn
                                                                                              you like prince?..Now I know I've got some rap you'll like



                                                                                              you like his music right? not his sexy man ass dimples? just wanna clarify
                                                                                              Yes... the music. Sexy MF... Dirty Mind etc.... I really liked the Black Album (CD)... I have the original bootleg from before he made the actual release... I at one time... had all of his music (got robbed).. that's how much a fan I am. Sad isn't it

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                                                                                                not really...Prince is the man,he took lil Richards act and made it cool

                                                                                                don't tell anybody I never said that... I like that kinda music though,and old original funk like George Clinton...thats music right there
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by nocostporn
                                                                                                  not really...Prince is the man,he took lil Richards act and made it cool

                                                                                                  don't tell anybody I never said that... I like that kinda music though,and old original funk like George Clinton...thats music right there
                                                                                                  Yes.. me too. I swore I would never become my parents.. but it happened.. I really do not listen to the radio much... I really do not like much of the newer stuff that is comming out these days... I'm getting fucking old... Shit!!!

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                                                                                                    don't feel bad... I'm 20 and listen to that stuff...I'm making it hip again
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