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Calling out Sobe Girl, what is this SuperMpeg?

05-31-2003, 01:50 PM

I have seen you make multiple references to "Super Mpeg" and as someone who does a huge amount of video encoding with multiple programs i have yet to come across anything which produces "Super Mpeg"

Can you explain what "Super Mpeg" is exactly?
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05-31-2003, 01:52 PM

Higher Quality
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05-31-2003, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by Pipecrew
Higher Quality
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There ya go

Thats still mpeg but with better compresson.. Hardly anything "Super" about it.
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05-31-2003, 02:09 PM

i think what it ment here is SVCD (super vcd) mpeg2 i think it is

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05-31-2003, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by Hazchem
i think what it ment here is SVCD (super vcd) mpeg2 i think it is

Yep, basically what i showed above, all those things are included in mpeg2, not "super compression"
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05-31-2003, 02:13 PM

i'm interested in this too. Sobe posted a sample of what he called his own invention SuperMpeg a month or so ago. I just want some tips on creating the best quality MPEG-1 files at the smallest file size.

What's the smallest size in MB's for a minute of MPEG-1 video at high quality, starting from the uncompressed AVI?

Post samples of your best compression skills if you gottem.

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05-31-2003, 02:17 PM

are there surfers who can't play MPEG-2 files? how much smaller are MPEG-2 versus MPEG-1 and is the quality better, if so, is it alot better?

i dunno, i look at WMV movies at a high bitrate and they look better to me than MPEG-1's. But I would still have MPEG's because if you talk to surfers, many of them are MPEG snobs.

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05-31-2003, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by Mutt

What's the smallest size in MB's for a minute of MPEG-1 video at high quality, starting from the uncompressed AVI?

Post samples of your best compression skills if you gottem.

dont have time right now but

4mb - 6mb will still look badass for a 1 min sample of mpeg1
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05-31-2003, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by Pipecrew

Yep, basically what i showed above, all those things are included in mpeg2, not "super compression"

I dont think it is mpeg2 since QT is the native handler app for my .mpg extension, which it fails to play SVCD movies but will play normal mpeg.

Im just wondering because it might be interesting, but i've found some better codecs to use other than mpeg which are just as universal. Mpeg-2 isnt too common on the net except for video rips which range in about 800MB for a 45 min video...and even then the quality still lacks (from the screeners ive seen)
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05-31-2003, 04:13 PM

what is the best way to rip DVDs? Ripped DVDs are MPEG-2 right?
Are guys then converting them to MPEG-1 or are all these MPEGs i see on movie sites in MPEG-2. How much quality is lost when converting MPEG-2 ripped DVDs into WMV format?

also if I needed a big quantity of DVDs ripped and encoded into a couple formats are there guys out there who would do it for me cheap? I was thinking of hitting some of the surfer boards and seeing if there are guys who do this for a hobby would be interested.

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05-31-2003, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by Mutt
also if I needed a big quantity of DVDs ripped and encoded into a couple formats are there guys out there who would do it for me cheap? I was thinking of hitting some of the surfer boards and seeing if there are guys who do this for a hobby would be interested.

I usually charge 100$ per DVD per format
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05-31-2003, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by Mutt
what is the best way to rip DVDs? Ripped DVDs are MPEG-2 right?
Are guys then converting them to MPEG-1 or are all these MPEGs i see on movie sites in MPEG-2. How much quality is lost when converting MPEG-2 ripped DVDs into WMV format?

also if I needed a big quantity of DVDs ripped and encoded into a couple formats are there guys out there who would do it for me cheap? I was thinking of hitting some of the surfer boards and seeing if there are guys who do this for a hobby would be interested.

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05-31-2003, 07:09 PM

I know that alot of you will say "ah so what, big deal", but then that means you just don't get it. These SuperMpgs cannot be made on a regular computer. The computers that compress these things are very powerful. Dual processors etc... The alogrithms for compression are proprietary but they are built on top of the old Sorenson codec. Remember this SuperMPG looks like any other MPG1 to the clients computer so it will play back just fine. WMV are good but many many computers cannot play them back because the codecs are new. I have one machine that just plain crashes when trying to decompress wmv. Stick with MPG1. Surfers love and know them and they play back even on a UNIx box. You can purchase any SoBeGirl file in SuperMPG. Hit meup for pricing.

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05-31-2003, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by SoBeGirl Video
...These SuperMpgs cannot be made on a regular computer. The computers that compress these things are very powerful. Dual processors etc...

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05-31-2003, 08:02 PM

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05-31-2003, 08:19 PM

ok you guys who do alot of video encoding, what do u think of Eric's 'SuperMpeg'?

this demo movie he posted is :33 seconds long, size is 560 x 384, and the file size is about 3.5 MB. Quality is pretty good.

so what do u think? does he have something interesting?

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05-31-2003, 08:23 PM

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05-31-2003, 08:27 PM

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05-31-2003, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by Mutt
ok you guys who do alot of video encoding, what do u think of Eric's 'SuperMpeg'?

this demo movie he posted is :33 seconds long, size is 560 x 384, and the file size is about 3.5 MB. Quality is pretty good.

so what do u think? does he have something interesting?

here is something i did....

http://www.contentempire.com/samples/superwmv.html

yeah its WMV format but i think it comes close to comparing .... what do you think?

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05-31-2003, 09:48 PM

Ok i made some true 640x480 clips still 2.3megs in size

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05-31-2003, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by SoBeGirl Video
Skazzel, it sounds like you need to take your dick out of your throat

Doing this type of encoding doesn't require "special hardware" or any other bullshit ("If you can't persuade them with substance, dazzle 'em with bullshit" - right SoBe?). Not all MPEG-1 encoders are equal, just like not all MP3 encoders are equal. Compare lame to old xing encoders and you will see a huge difference in quality at identical bitrates. Same thing with MPEG-4. There are already a ton of MPEG-4 compliant encoders that can all be played by any MPEG-4 decoder. These encoders vary in encoding quality by large margins.

In short, you want better MPEG-1? License a quality MPEG-1 encoder, like the one Sorenson produces instead of using the one MS ships with windows and you too can make "Super Turbo Mega Hydro Mpegs". Also, use MP3 audio (not PCM / WAV) and VBR encoding and you will get quality per bit as good or better than the video posted by SoBe.

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05-31-2003, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by cutetwink
Ok i made some true 640x480 clips still 2.3megs in size

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05-31-2003, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by SoBeGirl Video
I know that alot of you will say "ah so what, big deal", but then that means you just don't get it. These SuperMpgs cannot be made on a regular computer. The computers that compress these things are very powerful. Dual processors etc... The alogrithms for compression are proprietary but they are built on top of the old Sorenson codec. Remember this SuperMPG looks like any other MPG1 to the clients computer so it will play back just fine.

Sure sounds like a mac to me. And dare I say if you had created such a hot super codec based on Sorensons technology then you would be making a 100 times more money selling it than selling content for $5. If you're good at video compression that's one thing many people need to learn and you're ahead of the game but saying you are creating super codecs is a little crazy bro.

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06-01-2003, 03:11 AM

hmmmmmmm.............cutetwinks samples were as good and even smaller in size than Sobe's 'SuperMPEG'.

What software do you use for encoding cutetwink? got any tips?

The MPEG demo was also 2.3 MB? That's about the best MPEG i've seen under 5 MB per minute. Does what's going on in the scene, motion, colors have alot to do with this stuff?

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06-01-2003, 04:05 AM

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06-01-2003, 04:34 AM

As you can see there isnt really anything super about SoBe's SuperMpeg..

Take a DVD your fond of, rip the VOB out of it. Feed the DVD through FlaskMpeg and when you encode the file make sure you use a VBR.

Mpeg-1 is Mpeg-1, Some programs create shit mpeg files (Cleaner 5) while some programs such as FlaskMpeg will spit out a higher quality mpeg-1 file while using less space.

Some videos use less panning which makes it easier for the mpeg-1 encoder to do its grouping of colours are basically straight forward.

I'll play around with some mpeg encoding and post some shit soon,although some people have already made "SuperMpeg" look like a super failure with the great normal mpeg encoding!
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06-01-2003, 04:42 AM

Originally posted by notjoe
As you can see there isnt really anything super about SoBe's SuperMpeg..

Take a DVD your fond of, rip the VOB out of it. Feed the DVD through FlaskMpeg and when you encode the file make sure you use a VBR.

Mpeg-1 is Mpeg-1, Some programs create shit mpeg files (Cleaner 5) while some programs such as FlaskMpeg will spit out a higher quality mpeg-1 file while using less space.

Some videos use less panning which makes it easier for the mpeg-1 encoder to do its grouping of colours are basically straight forward.

I'll play around with some mpeg encoding and post some shit soon,although some people have already made "SuperMpeg" look like a super failure with the great normal mpeg encoding!

Good info. I think 'SuperMpeg' is super bullshit.

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06-01-2003, 05:28 AM

yeah good info. please write an article on DVD ripping, encoding and all that digital video geek stuff.

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06-01-2003, 05:36 AM

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06-01-2003, 07:03 AM

Hi everybody, I will just ignore all the stupid comments made by the imbicils in here calling my super mpg shit. No problem becuase I know the deal. I am so happy that we are having this discussion because it is finally one of an intelligent nature. Compression is complicated shit so this is stimilating.

Now look at our friends 2.3mb mpg. With all due respect in reality is sucks. Why? Well becuase there is very little movement in the video. The girl barely moves except for her finger on her clit and that is why the file size is so small. But notice, when she moves to a different position on the couch there are artifacts and pixelation all around here body. My Super MPGs don't exhibit this kind of abnormalities and that is what makes them special.

They guy did a good try but the quality is below what I would want to sell to my clients. And sex videos have a lot of movement in the. back and forth back and forth that is the nature of sex. Heck, I can shoot a white wall with my camera on a tripod for 30 seconcds and get afull screen video that is only 2mb. But rendering sex vides is different.

So let's see a sex video, a girl sucking dick or better yet, a couple fucking and make it big and clear like the SoBeGirl SuperMPG files and then you will have my respect. Then you will be considered a compressionist in my book.
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06-01-2003, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by Mutt
hmmmmmmm.............cutetwinks samples were as good and even smaller in size than Sobe's 'SuperMPEG'.

What software do you use for encoding cutetwink? got any tips?

The MPEG demo was also 2.3 MB? That's about the best MPEG i've seen under 5 MB per minute. Does what's going on in the scene, motion, colors have alot to do with this stuff?

Windows media encoder just play with the settings a little.

As for the mpg its a trick its the same wmv file with the extension changed lol... i wanted to see how many people would figure that out. You can do this to surfers and they will never know the difference.
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06-01-2003, 10:09 AM

Originally posted by SoBeGirl Video
I know that alot of you will say "ah so what, big deal", but then that means you just don't get it. These SuperMpgs cannot be made on a regular computer. The computers that compress these things are very powerful. Dual processors etc... The alogrithms for compression are proprietary but they are built on top of the old Sorenson codec. Remember this SuperMPG looks like any other MPG1 to the clients computer so it will play back just fine. WMV are good but many many computers cannot play them back because the codecs are new. I have one machine that just plain crashes when trying to decompress wmv. Stick with MPG1. Surfers love and know them and they play back even on a UNIx box. You can purchase any SoBeGirl file in SuperMPG. Hit meup for pricing.

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According to tmpgenc, the frame rate on this video is 29.97fps (ie, 30fps)... but it's really 15fps. I stepped through it frame by frame, and there's only a change every second frame. I guess this is one of your tricks to reduce the size of the file?
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06-01-2003, 11:51 AM

They key to getting good quality is, as Sobe mentioned above, knowing what will make a video bad when compressing it. Here is the general rule. They less pixels get changed the better quality you have and the bitrate can be set low to get a small mpg. So what does cause many pixels to change? Here we go:

1. Get enough light when you film. A dark movie has a lot of noise that will lead to useless data being taken as important by most encoders and therefore taking resources away from the really important changes.

2. Use plain backgrounds. Same rule as for jpg goes for mpg here.
(nightmare is the outdoor shoot in a forrest with lots of moving trees)

3. Don't zoom or move the camera and use a tripot. YOU CANNOT GET DECENT VIDEO SHOOTING FREE HANDED!!!
If you zoom in stop the clip and continue with a new one. Same goes for camera movements. Yes the movies will loose momentum but we are not talking winning an oscar here are we?

Just some simple steps anyone can do. Yes you can code better or worse than other people and yes if you spend a lot of time analyzing the movie you can compress it using certain patterns to get optimal results. When ever you see a sample of the people who published the encoder you will see an output that is the result of weeks of work but I doubt anyone wants to do that.

SOBE might use an analysing tool for automating that process somehow and then he is right that the more comuting power you got the faster you get the results.

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06-01-2003, 11:59 AM

In addition to the sizes of MPEG-1 . The size of an mpg-1 is normally 352x288 . That's about what the windows media player shows when you start it. If you do a bigger MPG the media player will still show it in it's original setting (at least mine does), so the bigger size should only matter to switching to full size and many of your customers don't know how to do it.

I might be wrong here but I think most surfers will view the small size original window or does anyone has better data or assumtions here?

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06-01-2003, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by rowan

According to tmpgenc, the frame rate on this video is 29.97fps (ie, 30fps)... but it's really 15fps. I stepped through it frame by frame, and there's only a change every second frame. I guess this is one of your tricks to reduce the size of the file?

Interesting....Sobe? Comments?

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06-01-2003, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by rowan

According to tmpgenc, the frame rate on this video is 29.97fps (ie, 30fps)... but it's really 15fps. I stepped through it frame by frame, and there's only a change every second frame. I guess this is one of your tricks to reduce the size of the file?

Notice how the video appears to look like was restored from a b/w film? just look on the last frame of how unnatural her hair color is. You would think that with a 15fps rate coupled with killing out the "true colors" that he could have gotten a better quality clip out of it ;)
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06-01-2003, 03:30 PM

hey that was tricky of u cutetwink! just rename the WMV files to MPEG, but wouldn't that lead to a fair number of pissed off members who can't figure out why they can't play the MPEGs?

ok so what should be the target byte size for a good quality MPEG? 6 MB per minute for a sex scene with lots of motion?

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