All I know is you told me you weren't part of this xstream program when I asked you point blank?? I feel lied to
Depends on when you asked. I don't remember that convo, but if it was pre-launch, that was why.... we opted to try and not attach my name to it at first. (which ultimately didn't work) If it was recently, then no, I'm not attached to it, (anymore).
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it was right after the xstreamcash was launched, it was in your sign and everything. No biggie, not my biz at all actually.
My point to you on that convo was there was no reason to not tell people you are / were running a paysite program and also being a designer for ppl too.
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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
Viper was initially contacted to make some galleries. 3 to be exact. I offered repeatedly to pay him for them even after he accepted taking a percentage of the operation.
HE DELIVERED NOTHING. Well, a lousy gallery and a button. Which he was paid for. He was also warned up front that lack of production would get him axed.
Viper has nothing to be crying about. Instead he should be looking in the mirror and wondering what he can do next time to avoid a similar situation. Nobody fucked him. He was paid.
I still fail to see how anyhting he has said remotely resembles any form of a cohesive argument. What is he arguing?
Fuck you Viper. Go back to whatever it was you were doing. Take your 2 months in the design biz and go buy a fucking education.
Last paragraph a bit harsh unless you post your degrees in Graphic Arts to back up that statement. Last design you made, I saw Lensman asked if the first tour page should not used.
Not to get on you but you can talk the 'shit' on the boards, but I see nothing wrong with a young person asking for a contract and getting upset that he felt he was screwed a month later and posting on GFY.
it was right after the xstreamcash was launched, it was in your sign and everything. No biggie, not my biz at all actually.
My point to you on that convo was there was no reason to not tell people you are / were running a paysite program and also being a designer for ppl too.
the idea was that I have too many haters.... no sense dooming a new program by attaching it to me and the self-proclaimed critics.
Last paragraph a bit harsh unless you post your degrees in Graphic Arts to back up that statement. Last design you made, I saw Lensman asked if the first tour page should not used.
Not to get on you but you can talk the 'shit' on the boards, but I see nothing wrong with a young person asking for a contract and getting upset that he felt he was screwed a month later and posting on GFY.
JMO,
By "education" I mean a GENERAL education. The guy is obviously an idiot. It wasn't ever a question of his work. We brought him on based on the samples he gave us. That should, should, speak highly of his work. The problem is we never got a chance to see his fucking work because he DIDN'T DO ANYTHING.
How many threads have I read in my life where nothing was done on paper that has gone bad?
If its not on paper its gonna go bad.
IF its not on paper no one is serious.
GURANTEED EVERY FUCKING TIME!
Viper the smarter thing to do would to have been to shrug it off leave it alone and move on man. Think about it.
Examine some facts.
A: Amp is off the market as a designer.
B: You played a publicity card that no one can win from not even you.
C: Ya created an enemy more or less and thats always bad.
From fact A ya could play the cool card and take the bullet contact Amp and see if he would have sent ya biz since he off market.
Fact B Playing publicity card may have caused ya some damage since others have read this and would be afraid to business with ya since posting about a deal gone sideways.
Fact C No one needs enemies in the game, ya take bullets sometimes and thats life and ya move on or take em smilin to leave an opportunity open.
By "education" I mean a GENERAL education. The guy is obviously an idiot. It wasn't ever a question of his work. We brought him on based on the samples he gave us. That should, should, speak highly of his work. The problem is we never got a chance to see his fucking work because he DIDN'T DO ANYTHING.
christ I hate repeating myself a thousand times.
Maybe you have to repeat yourself over and over because you never made 'your' case but had a fit over this post.
1) 'Idiot boy' states how he feels he got screwed (lots of these posts on GFY)
2) Who gives a fuck how he titled his post. It is up to the reader to click.
3) 'Amputate' is not copyrighted and made some posts about the 'idiot boy' and change the title and lock the post the reopen it and posted.
I've read over this thraed (and the other). My conclusion:
Xstream Cash hired Viper to do some work. The impression that i got was that if he produced, he'd have some work. If not, like in any job, he'd be laid off. He didn't produce very much at all, and was let go. He was paid for what he did.
I do not see the problem. But hey, that's just me.
Originally posted by chodadog I've read over this thraed (and the other). My conclusion:
Xstream Cash hired Viper to do some work. The impression that i got was that if he produced, he'd have some work. If not, like in any job, he'd be laid off. He didn't produce very much at all, and was let go. He was paid for what he did.
I do not see the problem. But hey, that's just me.
No problem...until human emotions become involved then it goes to shit
I'm still waiting for Viper to produce something illustrating how he got fucked. And I'm going to keep on waiting. This thread may just live forever while I wait. That's what we need isn't it? We need to just wait..... and wait.....
eventually he'll come up with something right?
please, allow me to run this into the fucking ground some more.
I do not need to illustrate anything. You seem to be more upset about it than me AMP. First you change the subject, then you lock the thread, then unlock it and change the subject back again, seems like you do not stand behind your decisions.
Originally posted by Amputate Your Head Now, someone better fucking post some goddamned proof that I fucked Viper over or someone's head is gonna fucking roll.
Nah you didn't do anything, u just said goodbye Viper (on a mutual partnership) but that doesn't count it seems.
I made my point, you made yours, obviously we can't agree on it so discussion has become useless now between you and me.
Originally posted by Amputate Your Head please, allow me to run this into the fucking ground some more.
Quite confident, at least that is a good thing I have to admit though, you seemed like a nice guy when you hit me up on GFY, and I really thought you were an honest guy, despite of your previous missteps here on the board. Nobody is perfect, I know that.
Originally posted by TheViper Just because English is not my main language?
Get a life
no, not because of the language.... because you're a fucking assclown hack designer that can't even make a logo that carries a dollar value of more than $3 bucks and the fact that you can't see that your idiocy in this thread and others only does damage to yourself.
Why did you possibly partner up with an "assclown hack designer" then?
Lemme quote something from the log: http://www.bornthugs.com/theviper/amputateyourhead.txt
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only reason I'm gonna ask this is cuz I checked
out all those sample you sent..... your shit is
tight man.....
You want a piece of the program?
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Why did you possibly partner up with an assclown hack designer then?
Lemme quote something from the log: http://www.bornthugs.com/theviper/amputateyourhead.txt
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only reason I'm gonna ask this is cuz I checked
out all those sample you sent..... your shit is
tight man.....
You want a piece of the program?
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Guess who is the fucking assclown
what I'm wondering is where that work came from.... it's way beyond your capabilities. So tell us. Who did the work Marvin?
I did it myself you fucking cocksucker. You are so dumb, you don't even remember what you said, first you say my work is cool, then it isn't, what's it gonna be? Oh and...
Originally posted by TheViper I did it myself you fucking cocksucker. You are so dumb, you don't even remember what you said, first you say my work is cool, then it isn't, what's it gonna be? Oh and...
well, the bottom line is, we took your sorry ass in based on what you showed me. Whether it actually came from you or not, we have no way of knowing because in three weeks time you didn't produce one fucking thing.
Amputate 24-4-03 4:28 well, there aren;t any papers... my partner is in
Canada... we're running this thing under his
company name "Welland Media" which is in
Ontario... pretty much a verbal understanding....
but I can tell ya, I've been working with this
guy as my partner for 2 years, and he's not gonna
screw anyone..... especially me. I own all the
domains. If he fucks me, I pull everything and
he's outta business. And I'm certainly not gonna
screw anyone.... I'm as high profile as it
gets..... one bad rap on me on the board and I'm
toast....
Originally posted by maxjohan Amputate 24-4-03 4:28 well, there aren;t any papers... my partner is in
Canada... we're running this thing under his
company name "Welland Media" which is in
Ontario... pretty much a verbal understanding....
but I can tell ya, I've been working with this
guy as my partner for 2 years, and he's not gonna
screw anyone..... especially me. I own all the
domains. If he fucks me, I pull everything and
he's outta business. And I'm certainly not gonna
screw anyone.... I'm as high profile as it
gets..... one bad rap on me on the board and I'm
toast....
btw..popcorn to the people!
something funny?
No one screwed Marvin. Marvin screwed himself. Marvin wasted our time for three weeks.
Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
only reason I'm gonna ask this is cuz I checked
out all those sample you sent..... your shit is
tight man.....
You want a piece of the program?
No clients to satisfy.... just us... you and me
would be totally in charge of all design work.
The only guys we gotta answer to are ourselves.
It's not overnight riches..... but eventually, it
could be a nice phat chunk of steady cash coming
in without having to constantly solicit design
jobs....
(...)
What the fuck do you think that means?
As I'm reading it, it means, we make sites for ourselves and not clients. So how does that translate into "Viper, please make operational decisions for us."
Are you some kind of fucking waterhead? Are you wearing a plastic hat?
I hate to say it but you sound contradictory Amp. The way I see it, you're suggesting a partnership (You want a piece of that program?). Also, if there was no partnership, then aren't you and Gary clients of his services? (we make sites for ourselves and not clients)
However, on the other hand I must say that it does look like Viper screwed up this one. In the end of it all, he didn't produce anything worthwhile in 3 weeks and he was sacked in favor of Va2k, which is enough indication that his services were not adequate. Add to that the fact that you didn't sign anything... Id say, take your "loss" and move on.
I hate to say it but you sound contradictory Amp. The way I see it, you're suggesting a partnership (You want a piece of that program?). Also, if there was no partnership, then aren't you and Gary clients of his services? (we make sites for ourselves and not clients)
A 'partner' that doesn't do anything is not a partner. He's dead weight. (Which we cut loose rather promptly)
Originally posted by Undutchable However, on the other I must say that it does look like Viper screwed up this one. In the end of it all, he didn't produce anything worthwhile in 3 weeks and he was sacked in favor of Va2k, which is enough indication that his services were not adequate. Take your "loss" and move on.
long since done and over with.
Originally posted by Undutchable
Ohyeah, and changing topic titles is def not cool
get over it. It was meant to be funny, and clearly 'funny' doesn't have a place here amongst all these serious people, which I why I've ceased to make any attempts at being funny.
Complaining about changing subject lines? Fuck if I could change that shit I would. I would change ninety percent of the bullshit threads on this board to "I'm a useless cockholster."
Hey! AMP could you talk to Lensman and make me a moderator? I think I've been around long enough.
One thing, I forgot this last detail: the Biz Markie will always prevail.
Originally posted by Undutchable By that definition, you weren't a partner either because you didn't work yourself during that period either by own admission...
please.... this 'partnership' was created between myself and gary. If he decides to take off for a month, that doesn;t make him any less my partner. Marvin was brought in to alleviate some of the design burden, which he didn't do, and was subsequently axed. Is that really so hard to understand?
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