Dutchbilling - the big fuckup.

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  • antirush
    Registered User
    • Feb 2003
    • 2

    #1

    Dutchbilling - the big fuckup.

    This story beginned in the period 15/03 - 21/03 when I started working with Dutchbilling as processing in one adult webmaster revenue program. Everything was fine - I earned 789 bucks in that week, and I received that wire.

    That was the first and last wire transfer I ever received from Dutchbilling.

    In the next periods, I continued sending traffic. But in one point, I noticed the high percentage of "credits" - reversal transactions. As the site owner explainted to me, it's chargebacks, reversals, revokes and even checks - checks are credited but they have a high percent of charges, as there is no way to check funds in a check account.
    Dutchbilling have no detailed statistic about bad transactions. "Credits" - it's all. Be satisfacted, webmaster, it's just "credits" DB will handle it.

    Infortunately, DB had a lot of problems with fraudlent transactions, and they suspended a lot of accounts. My account was suspended in the day they promissed to send me the money - 19 may.

    A lot of emails was send questioning "Why the account was suspended?". They never replied.

    So, here's the stats resume for your judgement:

    Period Sales Credits

    22/03-28/03 79 (762,13) 4 (-54,88)
    29/03-04/04 40 (664,30) 1 (-21,97)
    04/05-04/11 56 (487,82) 6 (-49,32)
    04/12-04/18 81 (756,57) 1 (-5,47)
    04/19-04/25 25 (549,25) 0
    04/26-05/02 6 (131,82) 0

    Overall:
    22/03-05/02 287 (3351,89) 12 (-131,64)
    "Credits" percent: 4,1%

    After end of the april I stopped sending traffic. Now is 26 May, no money, nothing.
    I talked with Merijn (121409158) he said "Sorry, but i can't do anything about account (my_account_number_here)"

    Damn, what could I do with that high "credit" percent? I never promissed free stuff or celebrities. The cardholder always had the site tour and the prices in front of him. DB should contact the site owners to help them decrease that "credits" ratio.

    As prove of my words, I can show my stats from the same partnership, but in other processor.
    Visitors Sales Rebills Sales ratio Chargebacks % Chargebacks Amount to pay
    Total: 5715 $873.62 $439.40 1:62 $0.00 0.00% $1301.99
    91 sales, ZERO Chargebacks.


    They told my traffic (= my work and time) is bad only after the moment the money should be send. Everything was fine for them.

    I accuse Dutchbilling of stealing my time, my work and my money.

    Fellow webmasters NEVER, NEVER, N-E-V-E-R work with Dutchbilling, because they can fuck up your work, and they do it brilliantly.
  • Roald
    SecretFriends.com
    • May 2001
    • 27910

    #2


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    • mrthumbs
      salad tossing sig guy
      • Apr 2002
      • 11702

      #3
      dutch + billing

      that's like waving a red flag at a bull..

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      • Serge_Oprano
        So Fucking Banned
        • Feb 2002
        • 9820

        #4
        Russian rape sites use them...

        do I have to say more?

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        • antirush
          Registered User
          • Feb 2003
          • 2

          #5
          Serge, the program was neither rape nor russian.

          I don't want to post it's name here because it will look like I am spamming it. If you are interested, ICQ me for details 121 409 158

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          • Excretor
            Confirmed User
            • Jun 2001
            • 1123

            #6
            Originally posted by antirush
            Serge, the program was neither rape nor russian.

            I don't want to post it's name here because it will look like I am spamming it. If you are interested, ICQ me for details 121 409 158
            I think your problem is in bad ways of advertisement (bsw. you told that memzone contains more than it has) or bad traffic sources (bsd countries or carderz/warez sites)...
            GET YOUR MONEY,
            BEST HANDJOB SITE

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            • andi_germany
              Confirmed User
              • Oct 2002
              • 768

              #7
              Dutchbilling suspended all celeb sites effective 5/13/2003
              SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

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              • andi_germany
                Confirmed User
                • Oct 2002
                • 768

                #8
                If you don't get paid by dutchbilling it might be that the siteowner got suspended. Now the siteowner needs to get his account from 'suspended' to 'canceled' and you and the siteowner will get paid again. That's the info I just got from them.
                SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

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                • Claude
                  Confirmed User
                  • Apr 2003
                  • 1036

                  #9
                  Try emailing them again or use the ICQ - At some point they will answer, but it will take a lot of time

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                  • Claude
                    Confirmed User
                    • Apr 2003
                    • 1036

                    #10
                    Wooww.. what happened to my sig, let try again - better now ?

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                    • gothweb
                      Confirmed User
                      • Jun 2002
                      • 8849

                      #11
                      Originally posted by mrthumbs
                      dutch + billing

                      that's like waving a red flag at a bull..
                      What do you mean? That is a name that instatly instills trust. I would be sure that all of my pedo and beast site revenue was secure.

                      Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes.
                      Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money.
                      MojoHost: Still the best.

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                      • gothweb
                        Confirmed User
                        • Jun 2002
                        • 8849

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Claude
                        Wooww.. what happened to my sig, let try again - better now ?
                        No.

                        Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes.
                        Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money.
                        MojoHost: Still the best.

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                        • SigToBig
                          So Fucking Banned
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 21

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Serge_Oprano
                          Russian rape sites use them...

                          do I have to say more?
                          do you fuck goats or sheep

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                          • max.yambo
                            Confirmed User
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 218

                            #14
                            Russian rape sites use them...
                            do I have to say more?
                            and not only rape sites
                            <a href="http://www.yambo.biz"><img border="0" src="http://www.yambo.biz/public/gfy.yambo.gif"/></a>
                            Max Bugaenko
                            Yambo Financials Ltd.
                            <b>ICQ 111225</b>

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                            • Kimmykim
                              bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                              • Jun 2001
                              • 16015

                              #15
                              Oh shit, NOT ANOTHER cross border acquiring, Visa rule breaking processor that can't seem to pay people.

                              Ain't that a bitch.

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                              • grumpy
                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                • Jan 2002
                                • 9870

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Claude
                                Wooww.. what happened to my sig, let try again - better now ?
                                Thats a fucking big sig you have, Way of
                                Don't let greediness blur your vision | You gotta let some shit slide
                                icq - 441-456-888

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                                • slavdogg
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Jan 2001
                                  • 3570

                                  #17
                                  was paid by DB on 05/16/03


                                  total credit this year 2.2%
                                  Last edited by slavdogg; 05-27-2003, 03:15 AM.
                                  Adult Traffic for Sale

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                                  • Turf
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Jul 2001
                                    • 1865

                                    #18
                                    i have tons of good sponsors using dutchbilling and have been paid like clock work
                                    Daddy Strokes - mature men stroking their meat
                                    Mature Gay Movies - mature men fucking everyone!
                                    Pleasing Daddy - young girls fucking mature men

                                    Looking for submitter accounts for older men niche content (both gay and straight) so hit me up if you run a tube and offer submitter accounts for paysites.

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                                    • greentea
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Mar 2002
                                      • 6580

                                      #19
                                      dutch billing should be renamed to bestiality billing
                                      blunts

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                                      • Konda
                                        ...
                                        • Apr 2003
                                        • 2280

                                        #20
                                        They suspended every affiliate account who didn't send any new signups in the past 2 weeks. They did this to scare the other affilliates to not switch to other processors (what was happening alot since they changed their rules).

                                        Their new rules are:
                                        50% max reseller payout
                                        18% processing fee
                                        20% holdback
                                        etc.
                                        Not very interesting for pay site owners as wel as affiliates.

                                        Dutchbilling is partly owned by Hans Burger / Cybermedia / Book and Film. Verotel also owns part of it, but it's mainly run from Cybermedia's office. It was set up right after Ibill and Ccbill stopped processing for beasty sites, so they could get full control over all the other bestiality sites.

                                        Their company is well known for producing and distributing bestiality and is also known for their unethic ways of getting rid of their competition.

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                                        • Theo
                                          HAL 9000
                                          • May 2001
                                          • 34515

                                          #21
                                          "Hans Burger"

                                          if you want to see another day coming......thread closed

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                                          • kmanrox
                                            aka K-Man
                                            • Oct 2001
                                            • 29295

                                            #22
                                            i've been trying to get a hold of them for ages, nobody answers their emails etc... anyone know how to get a hold of them?
                                            Crypto HODLr
                                            Crypto mining
                                            Angel investor

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                                            • Konda
                                              ...
                                              • Apr 2003
                                              • 2280

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by kmanrox
                                              i've been trying to get a hold of them for ages, nobody answers their emails etc... anyone know how to get a hold of them?
                                              They never reply to emails. The best is to call them. You can find the phone number at the contact information at cyber-media.nl

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                                              • andi_germany
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Oct 2002
                                                • 768

                                                #24
                                                The number is:

                                                01131 30 2803661 calling From US
                                                0031 30 2803661 calling from Europe

                                                Hard to find on the Dutchbilling site. its found under 'apply now'
                                                SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

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