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Bush / Republicans attack states who allow medical marijuana

05-21-2003, 04:16 PM

House GOP targets medical marijuana states

May 21, 2003 | WASHINGTON (AP) --

House Republicans are pressing for legislation that would strip federal anti-drug money from local police in states that have passed medical marijuana laws.

The overall legislation, which would keep the White House drug policy office in business for another five years, would also allow the office to run ads opposing medical marijuana initiatives.

The White House Office of National Drug Control Policy said both provisions were initiated in Congress, but they clearly reflect the Bush administration's strong desire to strictly enforce marijuana laws. Federal law does not permit legalization for medical use, although eight states allow it.

http://www.salon.com/politics/wire/2...gop/index.html

Hey Republicans. Medical marijuana is for sick people, not for "evil" pot smokers like Fletch XXX.

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05-21-2003, 04:29 PM

theres been studies that marijuana is no more effective than perscription drugs. People just want to get higher than a kite.

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05-21-2003, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by rooster
People just want to get higher than a kite.

And what is wrong with that?

PS Which studies are you referring to?
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05-21-2003, 04:30 PM

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Hey Republicans. Medical marijuana is for sick people, not for "evil" pot smokers like Fletch XXX.

house republicans would kick crippled orphans to see if tax cuts fall out their eye sockets. Who cares about kicking cancer patients when they won't even allow you the right to decide when your life is too cancer ridden and painful to end it in the loving embrace of your family.
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05-21-2003, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

And what is wrong with that?

PS Which studies are you referring to?

Ok to take the guns but better not come get your pot.

Right lefty?
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05-21-2003, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

And what is wrong with that?

PS Which studies are you referring to?

rooster is the king of statements-without-factual-references-or-backup. However it shouldn't be hard to find opposing studies.. no-ones agrees on shite, especially when the source of their funding is taken into consideration.
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05-21-2003, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by woodman

Ok to take the guns but better not come get your pot.

Right lefty?

ok to equate a killing/deter killing tool with a semi harmless drug - and this comparison is valid - right, righty? lol.
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05-21-2003, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by woodman

Ok to take the guns but better not come get your pot.

Right lefty?

Guns are lethal weapons. Look at the gun violence in your culture and the tens of thousands of gun murders (not to mention the accidents) that happen every year.

Nobody has ever died from smoking pot.

You tell me which one is more harmful to society.
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05-21-2003, 04:36 PM

btw i do not smoke pot, and only own an air rifle..
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05-21-2003, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by woodman

Ok to take the guns but better not come get your pot.

Right lefty?

Actually, it's exactly the opposite. Guns are legal in every state, pot is not in almost all states. Which do you think more people died from last year? Smoking pot or getting shot?

No one in this thread has said they're against guns except you. The Republicans are harming people with cancer and other horrible diseases with their anti-pot bullshit.

Do you support what the Republicans are doing or not?

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05-21-2003, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by bhutocracy
btw i do not smoke pot, and only own an air rifle..

I do smoke pot and I own a super soaker.
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05-21-2003, 04:39 PM

Nobody has ever died from smoking pot.

You're must a fucking moron, or a pot smoker.
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05-21-2003, 04:40 PM

strawman to thread 8, strawman to thread 8.. we need another strawman.. thank you.
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05-21-2003, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by bhutocracy
btw i do not smoke pot, and only own an air rifle..

I grew up shooting guns. I am not against all guns, but I do believe in gun control. What sane person doesn't believe in some gun control?

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05-21-2003, 04:41 PM

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You're must a fucking moron, or a pot smoker.

What I should have said is that nobody has ever died as a direct result of smoking pot. From lung cancer possibly....

And yes, I smoke pot.... and love it.
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05-21-2003, 04:41 PM

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You're must a fucking moron, or a pot smoker.

seriously though, no one has ever died just from smoking pot... it might have been the cause of a few car accidents.. but as it probaby takes "market share" away from alcohol, i'd guess overall it's levelled out.. then theres lung cancer.. but to say it's harmless is a pretty big fallacy, there are mental hospitals full of people with psychosis developed from marijuana use.
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05-21-2003, 04:46 PM

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Guns are lethal weapons. Look at the gun violence in your culture and the tens of thousands of gun murders (not to mention the accidents) that happen every year.

Nobody has ever died from smoking pot.

You tell me which one is more harmful to society.

Actually I smoke pot and don't believe the govt should tell me what to do in regards to either.

I just have a strong dislike for your opinion on how American culture and govt sucks.
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05-21-2003, 04:46 PM

http://www.drugwatch.org/Marijuana%2...20medicine.htm

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05-21-2003, 04:50 PM

More govt stupidity in action. Yay for us. *sigh*

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05-21-2003, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by rooster
http://www.drugwatch.org/Marijuana%2...20medicine.htm

A quick Google search on this doctor and you'll soon realize that he doesn't talk about anything else.

Who's payroll is he on I wonder?
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05-21-2003, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by rooster
theres been studies that marijuana is no more effective than perscription drugs. People just want to get higher than a kite.

So?

First, I don't smoke. I tried it and it never really did anything for me, but I would love to see pot legalized.

People drink to get drunk...so why shouldn't they be allowed to smoke to get high, especially if they're sick and dying?

If I'm sick and dying of something, I should be allowed to shoot heroine if it makes me feel better, much less smoke some pot.

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05-21-2003, 05:01 PM

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So?

First, I don't smoke. I tried it and it never really did anything for me, but I would love to see pot legalized.

People drink to get drunk...so why shouldn't they be allowed to smoke to get high, especially if they're sick and dying?

If I'm sick and dying of something, I should be allowed to shoot heroine if it makes me feel better, much less smoke some pot.

First time I've ever agreed with you.
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05-21-2003, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by rooster
theres been studies that marijuana is no more effective than perscription drugs. People just want to get higher than a kite.

Based upon my work with some individuals who have certain psyhcological disorders, bipolar in particualr, marijuana is a safe effective alternative to some perscription drugs that have very detrimental side effects. All evidence ot date is anicdotal because the Feds have made research almost impossible.

I should also add that in interviewing several emergency room doctors none of them could cite any situation in which a patient was brought in because of a marijuana overdose; much of their busines is alcohol related.

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05-21-2003, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

Guns are lethal weapons. Look at the gun violence in your culture and the tens of thousands of gun murders (not to mention the accidents) that happen every year.

Nobody has ever died from smoking pot.

You tell me which one is more harmful to society.

guns don't kill people, people do.

also, get rid of guns and violent crime rates increase. why? because the criminals have less to fear.
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05-21-2003, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by FlyingIguana

guns don't kill people, people do.

also, get rid of guns and violent crime rates increase. why? because the criminals have less to fear.

This is untrue.

Australia is virtually a gun free country in the cities and we have close to ZERO gun violence. Do a search on our crime rates if you don't believe me.

Less guns = less gun violence

It's just common sense.
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05-21-2003, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

This is untrue.

Australia is virtually a gun free country in the cities and we have close to ZERO gun violence. Do a search on our crime rates if you don't believe me.

Less guns = less gun violence

It's just common sense.

there have been studies done...
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05-21-2003, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by FlyingIguana

there have been studies done...

The proof is in the experience in this country.

If you don't believe me look into it.

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05-21-2003, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by bhutocracy

seriously though, no one has ever died just from smoking pot... it might have been the cause of a few car accidents.. but as it probaby takes "market share" away from alcohol, i'd guess overall it's levelled out.. then theres lung cancer.. but to say it's harmless is a pretty big fallacy, there are mental hospitals full of people with psychosis developed from marijuana use.

You left off industrial accidents...a few train wrecks...boat/ship wrecks...aircraft crashes etc. All of these have happened with people that were under the influence of MJ.

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05-21-2003, 06:01 PM

Cracks me up when people don't want dying patience to use a substance that obviously is useful and in demand! Its time to wake up and see the big picture and the effects on society of pushing things to the black market.

The only people who shouldn't want mary jane to be decriminalized, standardized, and taxed are the Drug Dealers. Why does everyone want the black market to bear all the fruits of the multi billion dollar industry......shit, selling a hot tax free product that doesn't need advertising and you are paid cash up front, is whats been happening for years.

Out of site out of mind, but its everywhere, so why not accept this human behavior to get high and tax the shit out of it and get back some education programs back for our youth that have been replaced by the very prisons who encarcinate nonviolent drug offenders with manditory minimums! Didnt't the US just go over 2 million people prisoned, or something like that? Come on there has to be a better system.

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05-21-2003, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

The proof is in the experience in this country.

If you don't believe me look into it.

so you're just going to ignore studies that have been done in the states and the uk?
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05-21-2003, 06:12 PM

Does it really matter whether it's more or less effective than other drugs? Don't people suffering with cancer deserve to get high occasionally? Is there really any harm in that?

That's the real issue here. If no harm is being done, then why incarcerate people?

There's only one reason I can imagine that a government would be afraid of a drug like marijuana - it causes its users to think too much, and question too much. That makes politicians uncomfortable.
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05-21-2003, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by theking

You left off industrial accidents...a few train wrecks...boat/ship wrecks...aircraft crashes etc. All of these have happened with people that were under the influence of MJ.

It would appear that beer is far more dangerous than pot for all the stuff you mentioned.

Do you think beer should be illegal?

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05-21-2003, 06:27 PM

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Does it really matter whether it's more or less effective than other drugs? Don't people suffering with cancer deserve to get high occasionally? Is there really any harm in that?

That's the real issue here. If no harm is being done, then why incarcerate people?

There's only one reason I can imagine that a government would be afraid of a drug like marijuana - it causes its users to think too much, and question too much. That makes politicians uncomfortable.

makes them question too much? everyone i know that gets stoned just sits around in a daze lol
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05-21-2003, 06:27 PM

"That's the real issue here. If no harm is being done, then why incarcerate people? "

Tell that to the person that dies in a car accident because joe stonner lit one up before getting in his car.

Ever notice that pretty much everything added to the Constitution after the original was a mistake.
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05-21-2003, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by rooster
"That's the real issue here. If no harm is being done, then why incarcerate people? "

Tell that to the person that dies in a car accident because joe stonner lit one up before getting in his car.

Do you think alcohol should be illegal?

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05-21-2003, 06:32 PM

Originally posted by FlyingIguana

guns don't kill people, people do.

also, get rid of guns and violent crime rates increase. why? because the criminals have less to fear.

in this case joe sixpack is totally correct. people dont kill people. people with guns kill people. i suggest you download "homesick" by pennywise.

if u need i will pull out the current stats as well. if you use the "people kill people and guns dont kill people" excuse......you are basically labelling americans as the worst 1st world society in the world.
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05-21-2003, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by FlyingIguana

so you're just going to ignore studies that have been done in the states and the uk?

most studies that aren't funded by the govt anti-drug apparatus have found that Marijuana DOES have beneficial effects.
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05-21-2003, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by theking

You left off industrial accidents...a few train wrecks...boat/ship wrecks...aircraft crashes etc. All of these have happened with people that were under the influence of MJ.

what's the matter sgt speedbump, afraid some stoner is going to run you over accidentally?
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05-21-2003, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by rooster

Tell that to the person that dies in a car accident because joe stonner lit one up before getting in his car.

Do you support banning guns and beer and smoking and SUV's and every other thing that can kill people?

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05-21-2003, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

It would appear that beer is far more dangerous than pot for all the stuff you mentioned.

Do you think beer should be illegal?

I don't know the stats and do not want to take the time to search, but I suspect that there are many more users of alcohol than MJ. I do not know the stats on relative percentages of accidents from being under the influence of either.

I drink beer almost daily...but yes...people and society would be better off, in general, if mind altering drugs were not used...other than for prescribed medicinal purposes.

Of course alcohol was outlawed at one time in this country but was repealed.

As to my comments it was in rebuttal that MJ is not harmful and of course it is.

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05-21-2003, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by dig420

most studies that aren't funded by the govt anti-drug apparatus have found that Marijuana DOES have beneficial effects.

I think he's talking about guns.

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05-21-2003, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by woodman

Actually I smoke pot and don't believe the govt should tell me what to do in regards to either.

I just have a strong dislike for your opinion on how American culture and govt sucks.

so you agree with him and think he's right but he should shut the fuck up because he's criticizing the govt?

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05-21-2003, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by theking

I don't know the stats and do not want to take the time to search, but I suspect that there are many more users of alcohol than MJ. I do not know the stats on relative percentages of accidents from being under the influence of either.

I drink beer almost daily...but yes...people and society would be better off, in general, if mind altering drugs were not used...other than for prescribed medicinal purposes.

Of course alcohol was outlawed by at one time in this country but was repealed.

So you drink daily, yet you think pot should be illegal?

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05-21-2003, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by theking

I don't know the stats and do not want to take the time to search, but I suspect that there are many more users of alcohol than MJ. I do not know the stats on relative percentages of accidents from being under the influence of either.

I drink beer almost daily...but yes...people and society would be better off, in general, if mind altering drugs were not used...other than for prescribed medicinal purposes.

Of course alcohol was outlawed by at one time in this country but was repealed.

Intoxicants have been used in every culture we've ever uncovered, from the Yanomamo to the Eskimos. There are sociologists who postulate that this universal phenomenon means that human beings, as a species, has a NEED for intoxicants. It's normal and necessary.
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05-21-2003, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by FATPad
So you drink daily, yet you think pot should be illegal?

Point out where I said that...but if you will re-read I do think that the use of mind altering drugs is not good for the individual or society in general.

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05-21-2003, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by theking

Point out where I said that...but if you will re-read I do think that the use of mind altering drugs is not good for the individual or society in general.

you said it about four posts above. you're an alcoholic, which is only marginally better than being a speed freak.
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