for the people who didnt like the matrix

Originally posted by toodamnfli
you are plain stupid. You hear me idiot sheep, your brain cant process more than 2 thoughts at once. This movie is for the thinking man, so if you feel you didnt understand it your a fuckin gimp

Originally posted by toodamnfli
you are plain stupid. You hear me idiot sheep, your brain cant process more than 2 thoughts at once. This movie is for the thinking man, so if you feel you didnt understand it your a fuckin gimp

Originally posted by shermsshack


"Following a record opening day take on Thursday, the film sold an additional $93.3 million worth of tickets in its first weekend of release across North America -- the No. 2 weekend gross of all time behind "Spider-Man," according to studio estimates issued on Sunday."

Sounds like those who flocked to the theatres are the real sheep!

Originally posted by intellect
this is correct

Originally posted by Ketadream
I loved it...except for a few parts which ill go into...

3) Who the fuck was that kid that kept trying to follow neo in zion what the fuck was he there for, why the fuck did he matter what purpose did he play...

Also the stab about how even in the "real world" we are dependent on machines which is a carry over from the original matrix but still it was cool to hear that speach...

Very happy with the movie...cant wait till 3...

Originally posted by Ketadream
I loved it...except for a few parts which ill go into...

Everyone else in my group of 10 hated it, and there not sheep by a long shot...

Things I disliked...

1) The soundtrack was pathitic...
2) Agent Smith Clone fight scene went on a bit to long (the park scene) Great scene but I think it lost impact after 10 mins or so.
3) Who the fuck was that kid that kept trying to follow neo in zion what the fuck was he there for, why the fuck did he matter what purpose did he play...

Things I loved
1) DIALOG!!!!! I love the matrix backstory and this went in a direction I did not expect, there are some good levels to chew on, Im excited to see how there going to pull it off in 3....
2) The Tribal/Sex scene..I actualy loved it...everyone else i was with hated it...hell yea...tomorow we die...tonight we fuck like bunnies!!!!!
3) It actualy took a turn I did not see comeing with the whole zion thing, (6 zions, 6 "the ones", self healing systems, possibility that zion is not real but another construct of 01 (the race that is the machines)

There's an interesting point of reproduction that they make through the movie (zion, trin/neo fucking like bunnies, the girl who ate the cake (GET ME SOME OF THAT CAKE), agent smith virus...dont discount them as fluff i think there going somewhere with that...

Also the stab about how even in the "real world" we are dependent on machines which is a carry over from the original matrix but still it was cool to hear that speach...

Very happy with the movie...cant wait till 3...

The Architect - Hello, Neo.

Neo - Who are you?

The Architect - I am the Architect. I created the matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions, and although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also irrelevant.

Neo - Why am I here?

The Architect - Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here.

Neo - You haven't answered my question.

The Architect - Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others.

*The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Others? What others? How many? Answer me!"*
(I dont agree with whoever wrote this, I think that the monitors are showing Neo's possible answers, possible hinting that there are alternatives to his actions (and hence the choice issue comes up). Also, the camera zooms in on Neo's current response, showing the choice made.)

The Architect - The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version.

*Again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Five versions? Three? I've been lied too. This is bull****."*

Neo: There are only two possible explanations: either no one told me, or no one knows.

The Architect - Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly's systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.

*Once again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "You can't control me! **** you! I'm going to kill you! You can't make me do anything!*

Neo - Choice. The problem is choice.

*The scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architects room*

The Architect - The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.

Neo - The Oracle.

The Architect - Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster.

Neo - This is about Zion.

The Architect - You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated.

Neo - Bull****.

*The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Bull****!"*

The Architect - Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.

*Scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architects room.*

The Architect - The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.

Neo - You won't let it happen, you can't. You need human beings to survive.

The Architect - There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world.

Originally posted by Triple 6
After reading some other matrix threads, some people say its gonna be a matrix within a matrix thing. I think the Zion shit is not the matrix. In movie 1 they said the humans last celebration before the war was their creation of AI. So if its true AI, it would have a conscience. Conscience=mind, and mind needs body to survive. So the whole Agent Smith possessing Bane shit could just be an evolution of such AI, which it can now operate within an actual human body as opposed to the matrix itself. The human body is basically a biological computer. And more importantly then ever, its the time for McDonalds breakfast. I need a #5.

Originally posted by TheFLY


I can guarantee you will never find out if the Architect is fucking you or not... The whole point of the Architect is for you to get lost in the logic and kill yourself... No wonder people hate this movie -- they are in denial.

Originally posted by michaelw
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Originally posted by toodamnfli
you are plain stupid. You hear me idiot sheep, your brain cant process more than 2 thoughts at once. This movie is for the thinking man, so if you feel you didnt understand it your a fuckin gimp

*The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Others? What others? How many? Answer me!"*
(I dont agree with whoever wrote this, I think that the monitors are showing Neo's possible answers, possible hinting that there are alternatives to his actions (and hence the choice issue comes up). Also, the camera zooms in on Neo's current response, showing the choice made.)

Originally posted by FlyingIguana


i don't really remember much from the first matrix. do you need to know the ins and outs of the first one to understand the current matrix?

Originally posted by toodamnfli



its a must to see the first one in order to coherently like this one

Originally posted by quiet
the first one was very good. lots of Philosophy wound into the story.

i'll probably go see this one in a week or so (when the hype's died down a bit).

Originally posted by toodamnfli
you are plain stupid. You hear me idiot sheep, your brain cant process more than 2 thoughts at once. This movie is for the thinking man, so if you feel you didnt understand it your a fuckin gimp

Originally posted by gruffy
so if i liked the first one a lot, would i like the second one?

Originally posted by shermsshack


Sounds like those who flocked to the theatres are the real sheep!

Originally posted by UnseenWorld
I thought the Agent Smith fight scene not only went on ridiculously long, but why bother fighting when you can superman away anytime you get bored (and I say bored because there is no way Neo can lose a fight, right?).

Originally posted by Ketadream
Things I loved
2) The Tribal/Sex scene..I actualy loved it...everyone else i was with hated it...hell yea...tomorow we die...tonight we fuck like bunnies!!!!!

Originally posted by jimmy3way
Who here has figured out that Neo is a program?

Originally posted by toodamnfli
you are plain stupid. You hear me idiot sheep, your brain cant process more than 2 thoughts at once. This movie is for the thinking man, so if you feel you didnt understand it your a fuckin gimp

Originally posted by funkmaster


... no, the first one was about thinking, this one is about special effects and nothing more. hopefully the third one gets better ...

Originally posted by toodamnfli
you are plain stupid. You hear me idiot sheep, your brain cant process more than 2 thoughts at once. This movie is for the thinking man, so if you feel you didnt understand it your a fuckin gimp

Originally posted by michaelw
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