Imagine two squirrels. If squirrel A has managed to store all nuts for the winter, then squirrel B would die and the upcoming generation of squirrels (the descendants of squirrel A) would be better in storing nuts for the winter. So if squirrel A, instead of storing all nuts for the winter, gave half of his nuts to squirrel B, then squirrel B wouldn't die, but the upcoming generation of squirrels (the descendants of A and B) would not be better in storing nuts for the winter. If we help the poor people, there is no evolution. Is there any logic in helping the poor people?
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Simpleton.Originally posted by deliriumtremens
Imagine two squirrels. If squirrel A has managed to store all nuts for the winter, then squirrel B would die and the upcoming generation of squirrels (the descendants of squirrel A) would be better in storing nuts for the winter. So if squirrel A, instead of storing all nuts for the winter, gave half of his nuts to squirrel B, then squirrel B wouldn't die, but the upcoming generation of squirrels (the descendants of A and B) would not be better in storing nuts for the winter. If we help the poor people, there is no evolution. Is there any logic in helping the poor people?/(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
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Why, punkworld?Originally posted by punkworld
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to a point your right on.
In the usa for example the wrong people are having all the kids. In years past the middle class had a lot of the kids and did a decent job raising them. Now both parents work and these families just arent having as many kids. But some poor welfare bitch is popping out 10 kids by ten different fathers, giving them a shit upbringing, and they grow up to be worthless themself and start the cycle all over again.Ever notice that pretty much everything added to the Constitution after the original was a mistake.Comment
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We need poor people in order to produce wealth overall. If we don't have poor people who HAVE TO work, no one will work and nothing will be producedComment
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This is a no brainer.
Squirrel B is fucked !!!
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The mere fact that you do not see the flaws in that reasoning seems like a good indication to me...Originally posted by deliriumtremens
Why, punkworld?
Problems:
#1: Human life is not comparable to squirrels storing nuts. Very few squirrels, for instance, inherit large amounts of nuts from their parents, or nut-companies.
#2: Evolution is not about "making money" or "gathering nuts", it's about passing on genes. Now, one who is susceptible to certain kinds of diseases, will still have far less chances of doing just that in this day and age.
Aside from that, factors such as attractiveness and social skills also play a huge role in passing your genes on or not. The squirrel that gathers 10000000 nuts has less chance of passing on his genes than the squirrel that impregnates 10000000 lady squirrels. Evolutionary success does not necessarily imply financial success, not even when you refuse to help the poor.
#3: Why is it important that we breed a race of exquisit money-makers? What good does that do? Why not go for a race of strong, healthy, attractive people instead of cunning businessmen?
#4: Why would evolution be important in general? Apart from the fact that it will happen anyway, what does it matter? Do we want to win a prize for "best race on the planet" or something? Why shouldn't we place importance in, for instance, morals, instead of efficiency?
You should realize that evolution is not "good" or "bad", it's just adaptation to the environment. There is no "progress", just change. So, no matter what environment there is (e.g. a society that feeds the poor or lets them starve), evolution will occur./(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
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Why do you even bother.Originally posted by punkworld
The mere fact that you do not see the flaws in that reasoning seems like a good indication to me...
Problems:
#1: Human life is not comparable to squirrels storing nuts. Very few squirrels, for instance, inherit large amounts of nuts from their parents, or nut-companies.
#2: Evolution is not about "making money" or "gathering nuts", it's about passing on genes. Now, one who is susceptible to certain kinds of diseases, will still have far less chances of doing just that in this day and age.
Aside from that, factors such as attractiveness and social skills also play a huge role in passing your genes on or not. The squirrel that gathers 10000000 nuts has less chance of passing on his genes than the squirrel that impregnates 10000000 lady squirrels. Evolutionary success does not necessarily imply financial success, not even when you refuse to help the poor.
#3: Why is it important that we breed a race of exquisit money-makers? What good does that do? Why not go for a race of strong, healthy, attractive people instead of cunning businessmen?
#4: Why would evolution be important in general? Apart from the fact that it will happen anyway, what does it matter? Do we want to win a prize for "best race on the planet" or something? Why shouldn't we place importance in, for instance, morals, instead of efficiency?
You should realize that evolution is not "good" or "bad", it's just adaptation to the environment. There is no "progress", just change. So, no matter what environment there is (e.g. a society that feeds the poor or lets them starve), evolution will occur.
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Apart from being extremely stupid, social darwinism can also be rather dangerous.Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
Why do you even bother.
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By helping poor people you are helping yourself.
In reality, you will be eliminating a lot of crime which happens mostly due to poverty, hunger and other mishaps which give people no other choice but to commit those crimes.
How about poor people who cannot afford a decent death? Have you ever thought about those people? If you haven't here is a good link for you http://www.valehospice.org
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US education system is fucked up. Poor people can't afford decent degrees, hence they stay poor unless they know sports.
It's sad. In finland education is free, but taxation is high.. I actually do prefer it this way.
Slightly besides the point, just thought I'd share...and I'm off.Comment
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Nonsense.Originally posted by $tandaman
By helping poor people you are helping yourself.
In reality, you will be eliminating a lot of crime which happens mostly due to poverty, hunger and other mishaps which give people no other choice but to commit those crimes.
How about poor people who cannot afford a decent death? Have you ever thought about those people? If you haven't here is a good link for you http://www.valehospice.org
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To you...Originally posted by genomega
Nonsense.
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The problem are not poor or rich people, the problem are stupid people.
Why not just kill all the persons who have IQ test under 130? That would create evoluted smart people.... but wait...
Now we have to select all the people that are looking good (attractive ones).
So IQ 130 + attractive... but wait, they need to have nuts...
IQ 130 + attractive + lots of nuts.
So we got a small amount of people that should have the right to live and all other would be killed.
Unfortunately some of the non killed people would feel discriminated because they were not killed. So we will need to kill all the people (last person must suicide). This way we finish with the human race that extinguished itself because of stupidity evolution.
On the other hand, I LOVE STUPID PEOPLE. Stupid people are the ones that buy memberships on pay sites and make you some profit from a TGP with 200k free galleries. Stupid people do not know how to use a computer and use your dialers. Stupid people are the ones that buy without questionate.
Also stupid people use to come home after all day work and sit in front of the screen watching and buying porn.
You should fear smart people. The few smart people I know are freeloders or use to hack accounts into pay sites (Like a friend of mine that hacked 30 user accounts on a well known pay site 1 week ago because he got a spam from them and did not feel very good with that spam).
Now think a bit... what do you prefer? A stupid with nuts or a smart person with no nuts?
Ups... smart persons usually have the nuts they need.Comment
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Any poor person that has an average IQ and the will to do so can get a degree in the USA. There are many programs in place. There are scholarships...there are State and Federal grants (these do not have to be paid back)...there are federal student loans (these have to be paid back)...there are work study programs where you are paid for up to 20 hours per week. It is a fallacy that poor people cannot attend Universities in the USA.Originally posted by TeenGodFather
US education system is fucked up. Poor people can't afford decent degrees, hence they stay poor unless they know sports.
It's sad. In finland education is free, but taxation is high.. I actually do prefer it this way.
Slightly besides the point, just thought I'd share.
The same fallacy applies to poor people not having medical care in the USA. In California for example every county has a designated county hospital where poor people can be treated and payments can be made based upon income. In addition...based upon income every poor person is eligible for a MediCal card. One can even have private insurance and still qualify for a MediCal card. If one qualifies for a MediCal card then based upon income there may be a co-pay, in example...if you became ill and were hospitalized and ran up a bill of lets say $13,000.00 and your particular co-pay (based upon your income) was lets say $780.00 you would be required to pay the first $780.00 and your MediCal card would pay the rest. If you are unemployed and without income there would not be any co-pay at all.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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Oh. Nevermind then...and I'm off.Comment
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No problem. The lack of ability for the poor to be educated or recieve medical care in the USA is just not true but is a perpetuated fallacy by people that just are not aware of the system.Originally posted by TeenGodFather
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As for the homeless in the USA...the majority of homeless are the mentally ill...drug addicts...alcoholics and those that just choose to be. For the most part they are unsalvageable human wrecks and many will not even take part in what programs are available to them (admittedly there needs to be an improvement upon what is available to them). Virtually every time some community enacts an ordinance that would force the homeless into the available programs that may help them overcome their problems, legal opponents will shoot it down saying that it violates their rights. So in protecting their rights they remain human wrecks.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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Agreed.Originally posted by punkworld
Apart from being extremely stupid, social darwinism can also be rather dangerous.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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Hmm...Originally posted by Bobby Fissure
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Does the frontpaged article at Digg...
kuro5hin.org/story/2007/5/4/16173/49595
...prove the point of deliriumtremens?Comment
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The largest group of homeless people are now families. It used to be the mentally ill and drug addicts, but the rate amoung homeless families has grown. A lot of them are single mothers with children who leave abusive homes. There are not even shelters in this country to take them all in. It is really sad to see a homeless child. We have a couple of schools here just for homeless children. When I was at the school in Phoenix to drop off some Christmas presents I talked to the school secretary. She said they had 700 kids there and the school in Tempe at the time had 70. It has more now. As a country, we need to do more about mental illness, abuse, and services for the homeless.Last edited by buck30; 05-08-2007, 09:56 PM.AZNewGirl.com
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applying evolutionary theory to social situations is a no-no. That's called social darwinism and it's generally regarded as BS.
I unfortunately had to take an evolutionary theory course for my bio degree last quarter.
Although a lot of the homeless do have psychological disorders, which could be inherited... however, how many homeless people mate anyway?Last edited by rapmaster; 05-08-2007, 11:17 PM.Comment
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Why do people bump nearly 4 year old threads?!?
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